From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 15:15:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6D81CC for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-vb0-x22d.google.com (mail-vb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A6622AE0 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id e15so1600898vbg.18 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2v3Wz141YMbdSQbW/nC6LeBG4wHUq4yjmCOmk4mWWX8=; b=bJBdaWWAO+3G0poqCUgTzAbUPj5u9KOr6qzM+QLlg0uyC2YX2NlX8stCKzlUzxek0G /wJvRUHCvouEDmFdiTIOyucAJ8yYMtb2Fo/bD3bUYpqkNzyzti5AE8OWAwopKlo/FlMA BSAO3R2UscerwaNhqu5Wg4Z/EkW4On/KUtiyc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=2v3Wz141YMbdSQbW/nC6LeBG4wHUq4yjmCOmk4mWWX8=; b=HyirN1JjwQpj1+hJbWIPtvS8bW9ObwWmuIzKYVzXzu4/So7ffD6XxZfVyysdZ+ABij NdN2P0lfiM2FiKfLCB593GRWJ4qQkpkBGVR7WrO4gR/jmlHwqim80ReafWNcngAJE8Hs ArQwuUJKVb+Vgk3FJ1FmZLxQmPIeObJ/9SdICwEZuhqeCzlS8Oe2NKRzAuK5Gj+rtI9S ElCxmEFWAhwz3GEW9u5OfyfAjVl+9tX8I/BcQtxAW1I3msPBZ36JDftlqtMhZVduK6yI uX40gN5/XcdP2o/EbObZi/nNOhwD6fGKqE81vta693s2WYVOt/qdQknVx2m2q4Pd09eO 4nYw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlalOydHxl/+5ERxgUtNTbyVeCwzM2IPd8hAiyXPZWtUkYQ2xkzm5jMVzbijQ8UGgP8WvLr X-Received: by 10.52.34.109 with SMTP id y13mr6774189vdi.8.1380813318916; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:15:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.176.130 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:14:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: About FreeBSD.org visitors To: FBSD Doc project , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:15:20 -0000 Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf Some takeaways: - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these users spend more time than any other user per page. - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of their time on the last page. >From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for something very specific. How can we fix this? Better search maybe? Improved navigation bar? Its up to you to work on this. - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Is this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. What other insights do you see? What other data might be helpful for us? -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 15:24:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D711428; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22e.google.com (mail-lb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A342B52; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w6so2133375lbh.5 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=wN7l248pFC2hcZROOEVRz/1p6hTCV5rfi5FOhgyysDA=; b=JujfMZZKb1I12eSz3TFemd5diamPqNGNeEqTd3CTq7XiOkpsPc3R2AHQblW8rUcujO +VdNoCj+eojXEAeb+eqXnWhajLJTq5KtzxQ1DbqjfTXYC0FYReat8xiaHHs1VTZaUi0t 0WJvPRk7LVz38qy7+BS2F5K5iyiKxC/OLYx9Utz8FnYNK2qfYYH7GBlq2UBFLr0ALxcg cJkA8JFujhv17FzpfZcWXg2mvkHDddoih/pZHt4KtczEPh4Q0SeYVP3rrVwFivaGcUvV j1cc5Ela88ZWLNG22R+wF1JX1BuFbBo2gHQ55rX2TopEy28SMbpT2GTnRTFcFK+DPU0X vYJQ== X-Received: by 10.112.14.102 with SMTP id o6mr7336438lbc.28.1380813867834; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: royce.williams@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.138.227 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Royce Williams Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 07:24:07 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DGlqvyv54qRlSrGKMKU8lH3yEIE Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:24:30 -0000 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > Some takeaways: > > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. > - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > their time on the last page. This seems normal; they drill down until they find what they want, use it, and then leave. > From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > something very specific. > How can we fix this? Better search maybe? Improved navigation bar? > Its up to you to work on this. > > - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. > > Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Is > this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? > > - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. > > Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. > Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. > > What other insights do you see? > What other data might be helpful for us? Specifics of which end pages are the popular ones would be enlightening. If we can put ourselves in the shoes of people going to specific pages, we can work on highlighting other content that's useful for their use cases. GA used to provide a graph that showed actual flows, with thicker and thinner flow arrows based on percentage of traffic. Is that still available? 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[137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fb9sm792075wid.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r93FZ6XY095089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:35:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r93FZ6D1095088; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:35:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:35:06 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, lists@eitanadler.com Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:35:35 -0000 >From: Eitan Adler >Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:14:48 -0400 >Subject: About FreeBSD.org visitors >To: FBSD Doc project , > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > > >Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: >http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > >Some takeaways: > >- More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave >without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these >users spend more time than any other user per page. >- Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session >but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of >their time on the last page. > >>From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for >something very specific. >How can we fix this? Fix what? What is the problem? Anton From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 15:48:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F01AA2; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (smtp5-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585382CFD; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldfaithful.bebik.local (unknown [82.227.164.69]) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497EFD481A0; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by oldfaithful.bebik.local (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7449F80583A; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:38:25 +0200 From: Rodrigo OSORIO To: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Message-ID: <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:48:13 -0000 On 03/10/13 16:35 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >From: Eitan Adler > >Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:14:48 -0400 > >Subject: About FreeBSD.org visitors > >To: FBSD Doc project , > > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > > > > > >Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > >http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > > >Some takeaways: > > > >- More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > >without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > >users spend more time than any other user per page. > >- Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > >but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > >their time on the last page. > > > >>From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > >something very specific. > >How can we fix this? > > Fix what? > What is the problem? Maybe the question is : "have they found what they are looking for ?" Do you have statistics about how often unique users come back ? > > Anton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 16:13:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3ACE1B5; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clalian@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com (mail-pa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 775A82EA4; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz1so2827081pad.2 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MRnNMtuptfkSgfieo88N5prUthUKKTtODauqPbbeiz8=; b=ipwhhHR7SfoVQyGJMWMRZQ9LZZB58lKtC6hjyrsZc/jH/qVNW83N4CNMmaqN7HV6Cw aGR9gByY6axOkggtZOBsh4J5r5+m+a+zPR0OV3FwubW3F1CUjPZyxPjcPjcJQxU75tM3 EqgV/etsqoqkcJEtr2BoYfonWhcaOYvGWosv913E9G4p3DDu+Vxkaed+dTdq0iR2n/66 QkmUfQOGGR0KWAixm0AVCGB/6BHC6ptq9iMClp0ta1wKL74XWZIvA7b3UI84+Gi+DE6m 1O8dS6cGXXftR/iZhLwHUE6L0OikhWE11iYL7pFTWIDVg37lGrtK0vYYqE08GrkUMjW2 GtUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.190.198 with SMTP id gs6mr10266153pac.49.1380816797012; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.101.196 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:13:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 12:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: AJ Castro-Chandri To: FBSD Doc project , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:13:17 -0000 A "side suggestion": If the vBulletin Forum archives could be turned off, it would help. Thing is, those archives come up in google results. Many times, people find the archive pages (which are "bland") instead of the actual thread. http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php Although the information *is* there, I think it's better to have people see the forums instead of the archives. I've seen this done with other vBulletin forum installations elsewhere, and I think it's good practice. I believe it's in vBulletin Options --> in that list of options, there's one called Search Engine Friendly Archive. Selecting that one, the first option is Forum Archive Enabled, set to No. Here's a reference link: http://www.vbseo.com/f34/how-completely-turn-off-vbulletin-archive-24545/ On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Rodrigo OSORIO wrote: > On 03/10/13 16:35 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >From: Eitan Adler > > >Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:14:48 -0400 > > >Subject: About FreeBSD.org visitors > > >To: FBSD Doc project , > > > "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > >Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > > >http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > > > > >Some takeaways: > > > > > >- More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > > >without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > > >users spend more time than any other user per page. > > >- Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > > >but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > > >their time on the last page. > > > > > >>From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > > >something very specific. > > >How can we fix this? > > > > Fix what? > > What is the problem? > > Maybe the question is : "have they found what they are looking for ?" > > Do you have statistics about how often unique users come back ? > > > > > Anton > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 17:45:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3990B; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from yoshi.bluerosetech.com (yoshi.bluerosetech.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a450::66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8346A23AF; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (c-76-27-220-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.27.220.79]) by yoshi.bluerosetech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F91BE6069; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:1680:365:f865:6ae1:1783:869f] (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:1680:365:f865:6ae1:1783:869f]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37730D4D; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <524DAD42.5020807@bluerosetech.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:45:38 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler , FBSD Doc project , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:45:41 -0000 On 10/3/2013 8:14 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > Some takeaways: > > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. In the Google-driven world, this is normal. Users search Google for the FreeBSD.org page they want and Google does a pretty amazing job of finding it. Interestingly, that freebsd.org gets a lot of bounces indicates the information is organized, stable, reliably searchable, and labelled well. These are very good things that are a lot less common than they should be. It also means the site makes deep bookmarks reliable. As such a user, I use Google to find, say, the errata pages or the release cycle data and just go to those pages directly. I also have the FTP site listing and the send-pr page bookmarked. 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If you have received this message in error, notify se= nder immediately and delete this message immediately.=94 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 18:23:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082996C6; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.jr-hosting.nl (mail.jr-hosting.nl [IPv6:2a01:4f8:141:5ffd::25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A89260F; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.2.17] (a44084.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.44.84]) by mail.jr-hosting.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6172338B108A; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:23:08 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BF66D175-3D6A-4743-A544-3DCA0BCA5632"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: Remko Lodder In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:23:07 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: Eitan Adler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:23:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BF66D175-3D6A-4743-A544-3DCA0BCA5632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf >=20 > Some takeaways: >=20 > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. > - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > their time on the last page. >=20 > =46rom these I think we can take away that most people come looking = for > something very specific. > How can we fix this? Better search maybe? Improved navigation bar? > Its up to you to work on this. >=20 > - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. >=20 > Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Is > this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? >=20 > - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. >=20 > Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. > Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. >=20 > What other insights do you see? > What other data might be helpful for us? I thought we were going to see what pages are being hit the most, what = kind of search patterns people use to find us (and pages we host), so that we can = anticipate that there are perhaps searches that we do not provide content with effectively, or = that the "download" and "security information" pages are being requested most often, so that = we can make sure that vital and accurate information is printed there.=20 For me, your PDF does not say anything at all, because the why's cannot = be filled in with this information. What were people looking for and what did they hit? = "Download FreeBSD" and getting the page "Why contribute to FreeBSD" doesn't satisfy the = download request so we should adopt it. Nice graphs, useless information (imo). Remko >=20 > --=20 > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 /"\ With kind regards, | remko@elvandar.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@FreeBSD.org X FreeBSD | = http://www.evilcoder.org / \ The Power to Serve | Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --Apple-Mail=_BF66D175-3D6A-4743-A544-3DCA0BCA5632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSTbYMAAoJEKjD27JZ84ywFqcP/15MZuhKUBPBk7hlF0MqySLB OsPwG93oRnLUytY7+IKuAMO+nSOldaYat8wrs4j9uGJQ7mrS1oUpJ8IK3DZvCAy/ gMqlUL8MdZZfi4YsNYzbnjlKC6A31FSo7STrxRKFoVoXuzQE6B835TTwHXxEGMYW nsgHE08LwQvOoyV419BzoE4L9trtGxVWQG1MM9rA8pIAma9WijUeRQnp5qisEpW3 3q733Kj3hFUKH3Ne1L02XNyYw4X2+rXOnE7yHGugAc8PR4YnaqIj0hmRlbEoCBDU Xo7iZI5YBQ7x6CNBQ0Lx5zAECEkvTggVX0bTuSv91/RCepgvWzfDAshFgnid6T60 CDfwdgzUiSh4W3IPzfCAHiDxhtF+U+2GKJKQ+gCmi2fiKdG6+uk0SL2mXDsLjBkH 55WFxy65VQ96asCJns+xDYhzTGhQ/pUlLUDL7o68tUAUBbiaZkZjgLuZTUiogFmQ OyYaENb/RBKfJgapOqkbVxCKw9t89leYjTnsQsMeEYaQG3ZVCKixbzHynKBc/pe5 DoKfWLrRtAnt22ZOErgsxzonPQejYygky1edD8DuE3JqjALM8B3RfIS1qrzAHcgE YtstshPZ70CyFjcfBATBz3lkhWScGIJshaw5FUVubWw6UMIiz5oe/OkZbaxjlEEw 41bALDfXMA3V5Q9Sd/XC =vV8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_BF66D175-3D6A-4743-A544-3DCA0BCA5632-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 18:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102F5B7 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com (mail-pd0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA8C22763 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x10so2958060pdj.1 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=pQqH6TB/Pymji90svkJLAFLb4fPVbvVDjwZf9gWY5XA=; b=F845dDkAJig+hCTua9Fsp4/djjMsZGujElfjac/dL1U7ELSxvdlcw2CHnjipcEx9cQ dUjSxYt3WL7UTU1ZhKe0l5R1RrayLMoVmOPL9DG0l1wryYQhU1F17GJA9qwleOs/vAxT oUEx7aEtETNgCWjANayaLyBSR2h6hGb5FaEBs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=pQqH6TB/Pymji90svkJLAFLb4fPVbvVDjwZf9gWY5XA=; b=EysVA3NAtp8ta6nnqL1yKLljKRUaBJUmIsygFWdomnldTyi3wwjjxbntjVPFxYL3Tw fU78X/peFbR1fvnjWpk07aSoH6Lm4OmA+Uczd9w8PhU95m0t7Yum6ezjDLrWBPbF8KG4 PCaz09m9lwXbSBA4kFJ56V+M+RVua7wbjrZJ4xNqUM+mZ9BDxKD9cqDAGh90sn8fRZo9 uqe0fsYEb8Fd8gaV60NOwr2wNiQ+bTLs5joKCR3+bhqa1+XBA1zMudziaiW6M7roNkxO ekuvfQPkaNHvWkYv+1Y3o989282zKZ5Pxt+GoBeTljd6pcsXcdfiDxct4FzQFwxesUCG er0g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlvlV5WvnI/FrnlNATbCFfB9qeEkfHrE3kjKLow46INynrdxYNfK0Zp2N9n8iE8dJaZZTV8 X-Received: by 10.66.142.132 with SMTP id rw4mr11321572pab.6.1380825327249; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.6.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:34:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors To: Remko Lodder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:35:29 -0000 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Remko Lodder wrote: > I thought we were going to see .... There is a lot more information around. I must ask permission for each and every report I send in public. I already asked to share some tables regarding visitor path, most used pages, etc. Also, I am not an SEO / web page analytics expert. I need more advice on what you want / need to see. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 18:49:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB920AD9; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A32D2282C; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 18:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kx10so3044095pab.27 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fW/DpFAQIJV6H6f97YX+l0lzH+WPEUUvOt7CS2y9GA8=; b=ls0u4cBfqtRFSTs3Ac937IINbczhqJTfFsCSpZSGS5TVkEwfE960eQqdMgtR8oogOJ 82j/jUSw0uGc+I19Z9UmD75/kmVQvp+VlsDXUc8C1X4wxpHgQGY7kw4MGkpdtG7sCfbt mdBotPzgCCqTdAQBZLltGD2SZha1Q8RFutKOCw8k2u1mjmHKoZtX1a5GO69xtCAin7ww F6NI0PU/DKx+NDHu43kayaoCZmKarbeIPbqUXGptignu6Z9LiKzECb7i3vAQAOBOzGtB oJu1qLqdcKjAnknlEeZi55QBaKf8qSnNcwf67cQCAPvlJcPuYYqiEY4ztiVJld7o20Ks qyJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.178.143 with SMTP id cy15mr11132363pac.105.1380826162259; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: Adam Vande More To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , Remko Lodder , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:49:23 -0000 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Remko Lodder wrote: > > I thought we were going to see .... > > There is a lot more information around. I must ask permission for > each and every report I send in public. I already asked to share some > tables regarding visitor path, most used pages, etc. > > Also, I am not an SEO / web page analytics expert. I need more advice > on what you want / need to see. I don't have any insight into the numbers presented. I think if there is action to "improve" them then some accompanying A/B or other testing to valid the results. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 20:32:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3787E680 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com (mail-pa0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D6912DDA for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kp14so3131828pab.6 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=VyRczbui6poZBaiJDxYV+Egj9RX9rZoBIsH/vZb3fyA=; b=OTOXBNXzEVywPhWvqoCRWQc8QgBEjk9voCH92RJYqCsk80fXE2Omu/jhLw2kQd6m62 yzcGXVDmFBEj/H7xKI+sko1Fk90lwueOkFgXd7ytQWfaIIDGU06X61CAV+Zm6x5+jyc5 B30kZF9kDH4NphcCq/Uir38TY2Q90leYeMcrI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=VyRczbui6poZBaiJDxYV+Egj9RX9rZoBIsH/vZb3fyA=; b=VTSvJDIqUCrAahUOGj1azhsRCsa3Zpz4JX71V2XYXXtDTqARXI4xdyCCsnnM50lFVO ogTQdss4TGA2o+3dViKG7cwbMEDPf8bQi013+QSnae44pOCi0B9T0KJBQvH32jzJ3yjE sJu3eT1WXB5w2PNvZCBkEEnBNb3kldm82YDGJvFS3efG3GISSt9z1h9qlSCyOpo/CHi8 Na7/wSASVpdzlh8GJDA1Y07e+l9nmDccSHauxWiDGJmneuHJnTHeCtlTjWlnlN7mAfmN 9JbAITt2c/+J4KVJ5hFCWfSuGsIAFHogc7NP+xhbjQndo5Ip65jRBapwI/4PwfRY4KtP rliA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmymp6lIDGG0EG8Ze5/Wh/77r1hUVGwKaIJx69JHwrfhNFc6m12LIQmoPbsHq58kZFMFlVN X-Received: by 10.68.238.193 with SMTP id vm1mr2460242pbc.198.1380832362557; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.6.3 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:32:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors To: Remko Lodder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:32:43 -0000 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Remko Lodder wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: >> http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf >> >> Some takeaways: >> >> - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave >> without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these >> users spend more time than any other user per page. >> - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session >> but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of >> their time on the last page. >> >> From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for >> something very specific. >> How can we fix this? Better search maybe? Improved navigation bar? >> Its up to you to work on this. >> >> - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. >> >> Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Is >> this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? >> >> - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. .... A graph of visitor flow and falloff: http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/reports/report-10.01-flow.pdf Which pages people visit and how long they stay there: http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/reports/report-10.01-pages.pdf This is the same report but sorted by "most time spent on page" and filtered to exclude pages that match "^/cgi" http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/reports/report-10.01-most-time.pdf Of note: if you sort by "most time spent on page" you get man pages -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 20:40:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6AA11; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1163E2E44; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF0F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.188.240.244]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r93Kefk1041046; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:42 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r93KeUH3005855; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:40:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r93KeIjd030291; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:40:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201310032040.r93KeIjd030291@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:14:48 EDT." Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:40:18 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:40:46 -0000 Hi, Eitan Adler wrote: > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > Some takeaways: > > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. > - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > their time on the last page. > > >From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > something very specific. > How can we fix this? Thanks for raising the interest Eitan. I've always considered the 'new' (2005) FreeBSD web front page bad, obstructive, hiding better simpler pages beyond. I've always assumed the front page detered some newcomers, so much so I've often told people to ignore the nasty front page as best they can. Pre 2005 was better http://www.berklix.org/freebsd.org/ (Disclaimer: I had no hand in pre or post 2005 front page). 2005 was first knocked up by a summer student to then fashionable corporate bland style. Probably he'd just been taught that's what industry wanted, was polishing his resume, & showing he knew HTML tricks, eg a squint eyed font size. I recall some FreeBSD people then were taking themselves too seriously, & finding a corporate style web page projected a supposed serious [business style] image they liked. Sigh. PS Ref. squint eyed web page: One should Leave the default font size - default size ! not shrunken ! The reader should decide what size he/she wants to scale his browser, not have some fool young web page writer who knows nothing of readers eye condition force some readers to squint. By all means add some href'd A A A (ref http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ ) But leave font default size Not shrunken by default. Having "Site Map" in light grey font is dumb ! Harder to read. Not all eyes are young, though most web designers are. "Site Map" should move next to Search box. FreeBSD is not flogging products to suits, we're promoting a free & fun OS & experience, with intellectual challenge/ opportunity. Catch the interest of techies/ nerds/ geeks/ hackers browsing mid evening now, & next year we catch their business bosses, who they tell "Hey you could make/ save money leveraging on this"; But a corporate format squint eyed front page is not going to attract lots of casual browsers to read on, whether they're hackers or suits. Colour: A spot more colour would be nicer (aka 2005) (though I do Not mean eg Dark blue or red text on black background one occasionaly sees :-) Better use of colour : Remove all the excremental directives that precede Better search maybe? Certainly needed ! Search on FreeBSD.org has been half broken for many years, often little or nothing useful & lot of irrlevance , I prefer an external search engine & tell it to look on freebsd.org domain. I imagine there will be 2 camps: to keep our internal search, & for external search, so I suggest put a 2nd search box parallel to the first, & let people searching choose. After I saw Net & Open had integrated a google box on their sites years back (& it worked better than FreeBSD internal search), I added external search on http://www.berklix.org - it was quick easy. (I know monopolies eg google are bad, so if anyone knows alternative search engines easy to embed, let's hear ? (I have a list of some searchers here, maybe some have interfaces ? : http://berklix.com/search/ )) > Improved navigation bar? > Its up to you to work on this. Toss the front page, Start over in the style of 2005 > - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. I'd expect that. > Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Remove irrelevance like "new commiter" to a developers page or drop down menu, it's Not of wide public interest. Regular column "Upcoming Events" usually has too much wated white space. In the first sentence we lose the public: "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for modern server, desktop, and embedded computer platforms." Platforms ? FreeBSD is good for trains ? Study tabloid newspapers. Keep titles short ! Avoid Americanisms where often more verbose than English. s/Upcoming Events/Events[ Coming]/ or /Future Events/ (8/6 ;-) s/Latest News/News/ Or also offer "Boring Old News" ;-) s/Get FreeBSD Now/Get FreeBSD/ Or also offer Get Next Month ;-) s/In The Media/Press/ s/a large team of individuals/a large team/ 'individuals' is implicit. "Based on BSD UNIX 'R'" Add 2 hrefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix > Is > this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? > > - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. > > Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. > Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. > > What other insights do you see? > What other data might be helpful for us? > > -- > Eitan Adler Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 4 15:25:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62B453A for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redcommiebastard@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C895923F1 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AB3A500D4 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: redcommiebastard@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id A204A95 From: Christopher Henderson To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1671041.hFc554AZvp@darkstar.site> Organization: International Socialist Organization User-Agent: KMail/4.11.1 (Linux/3.11.1-28.gfeffbf9-desktop; KDE/4.11.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:25:09 -0000 Hello Unix Fans, I'm an on again/off again BSD/Linux user. I'll spend a few years in one, then the other, etc. I'm getting the FreeBSD itch again so I visited the website. One big problem for me is that there is no obvious link from the front page listing supported hardware. I finally stumbled upon the release notes but its just a flat text file. Why not HTML? I hated having to scroll through it to find out if my wifi card is supported (Alas, it is not. But OpenBSD supports it.). That is my only real complaint. The general design hasn't changed since the 90s when I first discovered FreeBSD 3.3 but I don't see that as a bad thing. The NetBSD site was in bad need of an overhaul. I like the new look. On a final note, I have a BSD tattoo if anyone is interested. I don't know if it is appropriate to share a picture on this thread. Sincerely, ~Christopher On Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:14:48 AM Eitan Adler wrote: > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > Some takeaways: > > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. > - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > their time on the last page. > > From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > something very specific. > How can we fix this? Better search maybe? Improved navigation bar? > Its up to you to work on this. > > - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. > > Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Is > this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? > > - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. > > Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. > Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. > > What other insights do you see? > What other data might be helpful for us? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 5 14:24:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB71E61 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D76E232F for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE67B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.230.123]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r95EOnxf026586; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:24:50 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r95EObI2020001; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 16:24:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r95EOO8D005247; Sat, 5 Oct 2013 16:24:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201310051424.r95EOO8D005247@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Christopher Henderson Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:18:36 CDT." <1671041.hFc554AZvp@darkstar.site> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 16:24:24 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 14:24:53 -0000 Christopher Henderson wrote: > Hello Unix Fans, > > I'm an on again/off again BSD/Linux user. I'll spend a few years in one, then > the other, etc. I'm getting the FreeBSD itch again so I visited the website. > One big problem for me is that there is no obvious link from the front page > listing supported hardware. I finally stumbled upon the release notes but its > just a flat text file. Why not HTML? I hated having to scroll through it to > find out if my wifi card is supported (Alas, it is not. But OpenBSD supports > it.). Yes, I just went that route searching for a driver, hard work, have a look at http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/txt/driver_search.html Turns out one wireless driver (urtwn, Realtek RTL8188CU/RTL8192CU USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n, Belkin F7D1102 Surf Wireless Micro D-Link DWA-131 Edimax EW-7811Un Netgear WNA1000M Realtek RTL8192CU Realtek RTL8188CUS ) was never put in 9 but is in FreeBSD 10 Alpha release, if you'r luck may be the same one I found. I just downloaded a 10 .iso alpha to try. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative.