From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 00:01:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA15CFC for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859768FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74C11861F0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:55:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:55:11 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Post 9.1 stable file system problems X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:01:27 -0000 I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. Following the update build times for packages have increased by a factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in 5 minutes and now take an hour. I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception tools that access a lot of files. The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 00:17:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ED0FC9 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EC98FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r010HLLJ043587; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r010HF6K043583; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9a1694563581bc1c99900e51b870bd07.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Kevin Oberman" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:17:26 -0000 Greetings Kevin, and thank you for the reply. > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: >> Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. >>> On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >>>> post this question: >>>> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith >>> wrote: >>>> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > -doc@ is a better choice. >>>> > >>>> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >>> noticed >>>> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >>>> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >>>> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. >>>> >>>> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >>>> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance >>> scripts, >>>> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing >>> I'm >>>> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS >>>> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving >>>> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me >>>> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. >>> >>> I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? > > Have you actually looked at subversion? I have, tho not that recently. > It is designed to be as close > as possible to the CVS command structure. I can't imagine what it has > to do with Windows. It was originally written by the same people > responsible for CVS and I am reasonably certain it was written on a > Unix/Linux system. Linux, actually. There were many arguments that, while it was designed to overcome the perceived shortcomings of CVS, that in the end it also created new ones. I was on the lists. I still have the threads, but have had to archive my INBOX so many times over the years, I wouldn't know which one to unpack, nor would I want to bog down the list with this anyway. :) > > I converted all of my scripts from csup to svn in a matter of minutes. > Converting my source and ports trees to svn took a bit longer, but was > almost all in the time it took to copy the files. An 'svn up > /usr/ports' pretty much replaces 'csup ports-supfile', but runs much > faster. > > All of that said, I still use CVS for on thing, RANCiD. (It is a > system for managing router and switch configurations).It can use > either CVS or SVN, but I keep the data is CVS as there is considerable > advantage to being able to grep through the delta files to looks for > some bit that has long been deleted. (We have about15 years worth of > router configurations in our archive.) But this is a special case. I > would never recommend anyone use CVS for general purpose code > management, (Not sure I'd recommend svn, either, but others are far > more of a change from CVS. > You're making a pretty good argument here -- I hate to admit. > Give it a try: > rm -r /usr/src/* && rm /usr/src/.* && svn co > svn://closest_mirror/base/stable/9 /usr/src > Then replace csup with 'svn up /usr/src' > Then, to update, ` I'm skeptical, but I'll look again. It's been awhile, maybe it's much better than it was last I used it. Thank you for all the helpful tips, and taking the time to respond. Happy New Year, to you, and yours! --Chris > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 00:29:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC5C23E for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1B78FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so10947369iad.13 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:29:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LxcU+AfCj4dMYaSipG3sDW8950J4WiBBTGrvI+Eq+7k=; b=E9THjOzeSkOX6mcDIqoj1LdGoh8InfKjpq3jaxdhf00moV/BD9zP2Sle5h0cyW+pmV zSHwtzBEpBKRewKwyxvKBQ0iB9dLrWNDl+Q+Ay7nGd2qU3UaIQQQtBqBiViAHb21qk9s NdEbcLP/FMS4LXqwYpbNY4AX5Cjrj9UQs37qPgJyNrXCCqjeA95RvPtrOEGkhXj3VWpL pbXuCQF9cKe54IH0qcaJIqLUrZkH38o8YA3ZzJKsIfOMu3Z5bI2ichxfZSZyMvafLpA9 W0gipEGDPykMVfexPupnk5AJkVWjgYsPO08rto3BpstbtXucadEMCrzBcBgJ1FqnZ0Nr 7DNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.71.81 with SMTP id yj17mr22370976icb.0.1357000170680; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:29:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:29:30 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems From: Chris Rees To: Dominic Fandrey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:29:37 -0000 On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: > > I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. > Following the update build times for packages have increased by a > factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in > 5 minutes and now take an hour. > > I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU > load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU > time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU > load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception > tools that access a lot of files. > > The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from > an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. > > /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I > think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to > use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 00:49:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D404F0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30AC8FC12 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CA21861E4; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 01:49:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:49:07 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rees Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:49:10 -0000 On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: > On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: >> >> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. >> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a >> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in >> 5 minutes and now take an hour. >> >> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU >> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU >> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU >> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception >> tools that access a lot of files. >> >> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from >> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. >> >> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I >> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to >> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. > > Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. Tinderbox: FreeBSD AryaStark.norad 9.1-STABLE FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #1: Mon Dec 31 22:28:36 CET 2012 root@AryaStark.norad:/usr/obj/GENERIC/amd64/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Notebook: FreeBSD mobileKamikaze.norad 9.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE #1: Sun Dec 23 13:08:04 CET 2012 root@mobileKamikaze.norad:/usr/obj/HP6510b-9/amd64/usr/src/sys/HP6510b-9 amd64 -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 01:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC96B3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 01:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DAB8FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 01:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8020A7E884; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 02:05:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 02:05:11 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rees Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> In-Reply-To: <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:05:14 -0000 On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: >>> >>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. >>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a >>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in >>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. >>> >>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU >>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU >>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU >>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception >>> tools that access a lot of files. >>> >>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from >>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. >>> >>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I >>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to >>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. >> >> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. > > I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. > > I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. > The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. > On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX also pointed to a nullfs mount. Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 01:21:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B36898 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 01:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B045F8FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 01:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BAD61A3C1D; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:21:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E239FE.4080802@mu.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:21:02 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris H Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:21:06 -0000 > There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ > provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be > accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial > (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) Chris, I think you've gotten to your NYE jubilations a bit early. Sure the same can be accomplished by CVS, the same way a mission to the moon could be accomplished with enough black powder and a sailing ship. It just won't be a pleasant trip. Go finish whatever you're drinking and have a great 2013. When you wake up, go crack a book on SVN and you'll only be living in 2007. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 03:32:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0761721 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 03:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C9E8FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 03:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t57so6082752wey.11 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N1jNg1+sIWUnufsRbQFDPJ7XQf4pJdE79WywXKIJhEk=; b=Qlg+rIQXuy7U5gAPnnnhGeu/jRJX1uedV34Ay3KGikLsl9luTacMZHwCXhn4O3Hg4c WoiHaf+Pg7R6+d/4FenUA66XR9bJwHZZMSI2V5O6nwPQRdhsSk6Og2zc0vz0WROg0me5 1OEUfFV/EX8llKZgQzTh5w8bDmH7JREPzyrD2dUj582HIgAeKXMBxd2lEm/DjvXZrX/5 92L5gkcr6xCTaUoQ8cZ+/FNxK4CU4f0U/PUIPnRikUDsnnFrYdo/W3/hwYSC/nDZ+yqR v0El5imkkl+T0WrSJRoKkI0JXj9XQcutco+HfmVKlHt+UES5PjQrAknebe/WuFMRmalT ZkOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.21.70 with SMTP id t6mr66588586wje.42.1357011144683; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.172.197 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E239FE.4080802@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> <50E239FE.4080802@mu.org> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 05:32:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Kimmo Paasiala To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Chris H X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:32:34 -0000 On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ >> provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be >> accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial >> (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) > > Chris, > > I think you've gotten to your NYE jubilations a bit early. > > Sure the same can be accomplished by CVS, the same way a mission to the moon > could be accomplished with enough black powder and a sailing ship. > > It just won't be a pleasant trip. > > Go finish whatever you're drinking and have a great 2013. > > When you wake up, go crack a book on SVN and you'll only be living in 2007. > > > -Alfred > Anyone who has had the "pleasure" of being an admin charge of a CVS repository will not want to go back to it after discovering what SVN and GIT have to offer. Just my 2c -Kimmo From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 06:51:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC50C84D for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 06:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314868FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 06:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tom.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r016pj28042728; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:51:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 kib.kiev.ua r016pj28042728 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r016pj6w042727; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:51:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:51:45 +0200 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems Message-ID: <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sW3EvpYZ43JhLhGX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on tom.home Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:51:53 -0000 --sW3EvpYZ43JhLhGX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: > >> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: > >>> > >>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. > >>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a > >>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in > >>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. > >>> > >>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of = CPU > >>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU > >>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the = CPU > >>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception > >>> tools that access a lot of files. > >>> > >>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from > >>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. > >>> > >>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I > >>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbo= x to > >>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. > >> > >> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. > >=20 > > I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. > >=20 > > I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. > > The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. > > On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. >=20 > Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system > and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX > also pointed to a nullfs mount. >=20 > Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without > nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. >=20 > So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount > (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). Start providing some useful debugging information ? At least dmesg, mount -v and sysctl kern.maxvnodes, 'sysctl vfs | grep vnodes' outputs. What is shown when you press ^T while slow process runs on nullfs ? Was the ^C reaction by terminating the process instant ? --sW3EvpYZ43JhLhGX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ4oeBAAoJEJDCuSvBvK1BbsgQAIFBrA1SGNAHFMtgQluz18eI 71W8Lp4BnRWvulu4jo62IBQV22LOjtxO273YNgbuyVHogv1GBbtkJlXdWkK1Yels CcacdYTU7tcEnRjQmlBhy3cVSYYd7CJtauvtyUjxufVDYFJdWpSLt0eK78uDKuBQ M8ITFTouSa0CDHiMaLnRztn4IJSCE31EN0oqdPXw3zcFWki1Ut4biwVbVc6Va2h4 Yyog/QR0HwJnvGBO3fh94MHO57OJRxO6z3scB45RQFj/C1j+qJ1+ahmNhkT/hjDU gcIcQQ82LTLr2IyCewk03U6pfK3MbXhxRxlDTRZHOy3Q7ADKnPildj+6RxTJIP9Z y7jldyecQ+1xr48io8YxqinHNpbCI2/Navhd6IwWFcIEc77Zr/0YnpUEZjpC/0xL hgqocy4KRrtJ7HEymImL/dkiDGlkD+HOF9AMuQLLrKQkS/0qS6GPuio0LGouBIQv Rk5KgMncrksOgGwUntJboIp9QE531+vA5PyFzzkdCp//rckAOOqqFr4lx4F/U7gI vAtPlB8hqh12cgNY09hF0i2op1Lf7cJr26RySFDJFcgat3h/QCvuwVDyHLpu7Vp+ MTHi9ZUuk1h8uXN3C3MFUWe9k+DmzJvbFTJDzfD8Fqu7J4/zgJtKDcKuVHBuAnYQ 2uJ/uU/WatywVLfVpFHv =UwcB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sW3EvpYZ43JhLhGX-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 07:13:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B501DF for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5978FC12 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 737FE1A3C1D; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:13:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E28C7B.2060404@mu.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:12:59 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kimmo Paasiala Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> <50E239FE.4080802@mu.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Chris H X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 07:13:03 -0000 On 12/31/12 7:32 PM, Kimmo Paasiala wrote: > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ >>> provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be >>> accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial >>> (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) >> Chris, >> >> I think you've gotten to your NYE jubilations a bit early. >> >> Sure the same can be accomplished by CVS, the same way a mission to the moon >> could be accomplished with enough black powder and a sailing ship. >> >> It just won't be a pleasant trip. >> >> Go finish whatever you're drinking and have a great 2013. >> >> When you wake up, go crack a book on SVN and you'll only be living in 2007. >> >> >> -Alfred >> > Anyone who has had the "pleasure" of being an admin charge of a CVS > repository will not want to go back to it after discovering what SVN > and GIT have to offer. > > Just my 2c Agreed. Several of our developers used to put in quite a bit of time into CVS "repo copies" and other such tasks. I do not know the weight of such things these days, but I haven't seen much traffic about them. I'm hoping the SVN reduced them quite a bit. We had some people who would be much more beneficial kernel work, instead doing repository surgery on a regular basis for people. Glad that is over. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 08:01:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F4F68A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2008FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.takeda.tk (takeda-ws2.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0181VpT021231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:54:41 -0800 From: Derek Kulinski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> To: "Chris H" Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:01:41 -0000 Monday, December 31, 2012, 12:40:47 PM, you wrote: > That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, > that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all > use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I > asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: > Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live > without it. > Sigh... > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. > Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are > they? Chris, few years back I decided myself to try SVN after extensively using CVS. I was scared that many of existing scripts will become broken. And that actually was true, but SVN already had all the tools that I used. In fact it offered more functionality and also creating hooks was easier. CVS started as a hack that was about putting together RCS tools. I could be wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that it started first as a script that was simply calling them. SVN is a tool that was primarily based on CVS. The idea was to fix all the CVS issues that resulted from its RCS origins and I think they succeeded. On top of that the SVN is much simpler to use and set up. I cannot really recall anything that CVS offer which SVN doesn't. In my opinion a single feature of svn is good enough to switch from cvs to svn. That feature is atomic commit, and there many more. For example branches and tags are far easier to understand and far more reliable. I recently (well, kind of since it was 2 years ago) tried git and while I was initially set against it due to how much more complicated it is with time I learned to love its features and the workflow that it imposes suites me well. That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk -- Hit any user to continue. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 08:38:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC978A5 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CC38FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.takeda.tk (takeda-ws2.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r018cO8U021608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:38:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:38:53 -0800 From: Derek Kulinski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <643287350.20130101003853@takeda.tk> To: Zoran Kolic Subject: Re: 9.1 file content In-Reply-To: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> References: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:38:26 -0000 Hello Zoran, Monday, December 31, 2012, 8:33:43 AM, you wrote: > I'm quite happy to see 9.1 out and want to ask polite and > benevolent question: > regarding times on the site, are iso and img files the same > as 2 weeks ago? To remind noble readers. I installed on my > computers what was release at that time and got it up and > working perfectly. In other words, is it the same file? > Best regards and happy new year If uname on the machine shows 9.1-RELEASE then it is, if not then at least sys/conf/newvers.sh is different. -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk It is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsgar W. Dijkstra From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 12:04:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4A6C46 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598698FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FB2185FCF; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:04:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E2D0BF.4010407@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:04:15 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konstantin Belousov Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:04:18 -0000 On 01/01/2013 07:51, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: >>>> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. >>>>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a >>>>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in >>>>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. >>>>> >>>>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU >>>>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU >>>>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU >>>>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception >>>>> tools that access a lot of files. >>>>> >>>>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from >>>>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. >>>>> >>>>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I >>>>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to >>>>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. >>>> >>>> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. >>> >>> I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. >>> >>> I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. >>> The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. >>> On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. >> >> Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system >> and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX >> also pointed to a nullfs mount. >> >> Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without >> nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. >> >> So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount >> (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). > > Start providing some useful debugging information ? > > At least dmesg, mount -v and sysctl kern.maxvnodes, > 'sysctl vfs | grep vnodes' outputs. Started roughly about the same time the make extract was started. # while /bin/sleep 60; do sysctl vfs | grep vnodes; done vfs.freevnodes: 50577 vfs.wantfreevnodes: 51587 vfs.numvnodes: 102006 vfs.freevnodes: 51583 vfs.wantfreevnodes: 51587 vfs.numvnodes: 104237 vfs.freevnodes: 51592 vfs.wantfreevnodes: 51587 vfs.numvnodes: 104319 vfs.freevnodes: 51557 vfs.wantfreevnodes: 51587 vfs.numvnodes: 105367 ^C > What is shown when you press ^T while slow process runs on nullfs ? I sent the SIGINFO at the end of minutes 1, 2, 3 and 4 # make extract ===> License GPLv2 accepted by the user ===> Found saved configuration for openjdk-7.9.05_1 ===> Extracting for openjdk-7.9.05_2 => SHA256 Checksum OK for openjdk-7u6-fcs-src-b24-09_aug_2012.zip. => SHA256 Checksum OK for apache-ant-1.8.4-bin.zip. ===> openjdk-7.9.05_2 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/unzip - found load: 2.92 cmd: unzip 44418 [running] 59.75r 0.20u 59.02s 100% 4412k load: 3.10 cmd: unzip 44418 [running] 118.53r 0.35u 117.39s 100% 4412k load: 3.04 cmd: unzip 44418 [running] 177.95r 0.48u 176.17s 99% 4424k load: 3.12 cmd: unzip 44418 [running] 237.81r 0.74u 235.00s 100% 4424k ^C > Was the ^C reaction by terminating the process instant ? Yes. -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 12:15:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6BADB3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1444F8FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F9C77E92D; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:15:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E2D34A.1020908@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:15:06 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konstantin Belousov Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:15:09 -0000 On 01/01/2013 07:51, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: >>>> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. >>>>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a >>>>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in >>>>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. >>>>> >>>>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU >>>>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU >>>>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU >>>>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception >>>>> tools that access a lot of files. >>>>> >>>>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from >>>>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. >>>>> >>>>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I >>>>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to >>>>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. >>>> >>>> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. >>> >>> I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. >>> >>> I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. >>> The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. >>> On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. >> >> Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system >> and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX >> also pointed to a nullfs mount. >> >> Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without >> nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. >> >> So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount >> (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). > > Start providing some useful debugging information ? > > At least dmesg, mount -v and sysctl kern.maxvnodes, dmesg: http://pastebin.com/8D48j0Lr mount -v: http://pastebin.com/t1Qg1AXk See my previous mail for the other infos. -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 13:39:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E93851 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mail.server1.bsdforen.de (bsdforen.de [82.193.243.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BFB8FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mobileKamikaze.norad (HSI-KBW-134-3-231-194.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [134.3.231.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.server1.bsdforen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DAAF85FCF; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:39:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E2E720.3040803@bsdforen.de> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:39:44 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konstantin Belousov Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:39:47 -0000 On 01/01/2013 07:51, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: >>>> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. >>>>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a >>>>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in >>>>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. >>>>> >>>>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority of CPU >>>>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of CPU >>>>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of the CPU >>>>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception >>>>> tools that access a lot of files. >>>>> >>>>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from >>>>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. >>>>> >>>>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I >>>>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinderbox to >>>>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. >>>> >>>> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. >>> >>> I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. >>> >>> I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. >>> The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. >>> On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. >> >> Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system >> and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX >> also pointed to a nullfs mount. >> >> Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without >> nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. >> >> So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount >> (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). > > Start providing some useful debugging information ? That one might be interesting. It's all system time: # time -lh make extract ===> License GPLv2 accepted by the user ===> Found saved configuration for openjdk-7.9.05_1 ===> Extracting for openjdk-7.9.05_2 => SHA256 Checksum OK for openjdk-7u6-fcs-src-b24-09_aug_2012.zip. => SHA256 Checksum OK for apache-ant-1.8.4-bin.zip. ===> openjdk-7.9.05_2 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/unzip - found ^Ctime: command terminated abnormally 4m29.30s real 3.03s user 4m22.55s sys 5008 maximum resident set size 135 average shared memory size 2932 average unshared data size 127 average unshared stack size 7772 page reclaims 0 page faults 0 swaps 19 block input operations 101 block output operations 0 messages sent 0 messages received 41 signals received 1597 voluntary context switches 16590 involuntary context switches -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 14:56:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06766F53 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2498FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so4997653lab.1 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:55:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=re2ldDtyhkdqHOPpRYeCV32bTCps5rTzFHjcBP0Nxgo=; b=I0jFIPvu5C9lxrmETq94gDL0SGWnzwzE/mGMMrHGou0YC3PPQxv85nRghS1DrwWtAs PF+0lBBnWYKFDS5xHsibfWXiNW66zEwePDZ+H7B6HYSi5YQKhdYsvbZSSdRRN5nERTQo 1UMyTW25/rku148XYRDF0UO6HfAXWgo/tj3sk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=re2ldDtyhkdqHOPpRYeCV32bTCps5rTzFHjcBP0Nxgo=; b=CttJsrJQi0QVDRhHiGHkw7vjUL+EydRdBdmOXNhwTHNntEmzWRlR+BXDnzGf5HUG6v 5VDKuejTQ2vDq8U3JMqHIvgYoIcILqKTOR3yvGFD7K4IWN0YPEoTd1RnsfI2B6GP/wXQ jKdkFT6GXVhBN6lJ8e5MoMIfSqiPhn2dMGJIlbRH5XVpUFf68ommO82a/eDjRcLe9/2k ntn1Rt3200Qlj4M1rLBUNfFrQrZIVo3nH89Q1JNw3N1lhbvtq8sGWJKEexNm9DIFjv+6 D3jNXLLYPgQ70XkCZUgUZ07QAYF3x5NylmOziC1HGBHrB84cDJcxqEKrs4pkbnXpOsUK PQpw== Received: by 10.152.114.65 with SMTP id je1mr41935750lab.33.1357052152106; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:55:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.87.102 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 06:55:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 09:55:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Derek Kulinski Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlV2lCHZLdMVKQgilqhlvx/yTEcn2OjoH4A6Plfh0lVLbIQne7/8gHYDWUkhtFQJg1+/Ldl Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees , Chris H X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:56:00 -0000 On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: > That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would > decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge > change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. Just In Case: FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins via git.freebsd.org and github. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 15:16:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF012F5 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pntr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099088FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id za17so12254830obc.17 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 07:16:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4N5QCBs/MrhfWRijPUGf7SDjdZflfpP0m0AmAIpIYKI=; b=hbQhMyqmvsn6FPfIBj6+v9/+Y67duIUqZrl/3hwCbwDK/P0Hq87JK7Mo9yI/p18XX+ RaOxbhgmqPQHshHGEWEwp6IO3ZMN696af+NACa+8i8Lk6l7pSMRD1EMOCaQCbOUFK9C8 dx+oszdOrsE3a2dmM4Aog74xLn83n+w1Tj/CpM5anUQ4Qy3tO3Ubgs+HmUyknCrp0ZEM LFkFWvoXNmHoTxqQtOZauG1lcx/xGoUHL5+xctoPe7+X30J8PzWywQ4CFHaKLMbMdKAU H4Zynt8HTGC64obeuIiOOYNKFjXoWEBQgIIiJYSYBS+eTF72FXStUgqe23In2Wa/5vaq Lu+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.168.236 with SMTP id zz12mr24702079oeb.12.1357053403905; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 07:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.89.9 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 07:16:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> References: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 9.1 file content From: Oliver Pinter To: Zoran Kolic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:16:51 -0000 On 12/31/12, Zoran Kolic wrote: > I'm quite happy to see 9.1 out and want to ask polite and > benevolent question: > regarding times on the site, are iso and img files the same > as 2 weeks ago? To remind noble readers. I installed on my > computers what was release at that time and got it up and > working perfectly. In other words, is it the same file? > Best regards and happy new year > > Zoran Hi! See freebsd-updates man page, the IDS section. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 15:52:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87D4643 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@internecto.net) Received: from mx1.internecto.net (polaris.internecto.net [176.9.245.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519448FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C739A02EB for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:52:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.internecto.net Received: from mx1.internecto.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.polaris.internecto.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pVJaCiTwgzOm for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: lists@internecto.net) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33FE4A02DE for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50E3064A.3060806@internecto.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:52:42 +0100 From: Mark van Dijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:52:54 -0000 On 01-01-13 15:55, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. > > Just In Case: > > FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long > term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins > via git.freebsd.org and github. I am currently using: https://gitorious.org/freebsd/freebsd (I use this for /usr/src) https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports (for ports, obviously) I just check them out from git, make local modifications in a separate branch, and keep rebasing this branch with the above. Now as an aside, I don't know how other people experience the way FreeBSD is organised but how it all comes across to me is comparable to these pictures: http://is.gd/7xhMU7 It would probably be a good idea to use 2013 for a lot of cleaning up, or is this a silly suggestion? I hope I am not sounding too facetious, I've only been using FreeBSD for about a year and a half. In that time I did find that a lot of information is relatively obscure (for example, there is a ton of good info in Makefiles and mk files) but this info is not always consistent. And sometimes pretty hard to find. Pleasant new year everyone, Mark From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 15:58:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE97813 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14F48FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tom.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r01Fw68l094574; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:58:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 kib.kiev.ua r01Fw68l094574 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r01Fw6M0094573; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:58:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:58:06 +0200 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems Message-ID: <20130101155806.GU82219@kib.kiev.ua> References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> <50E2E720.3040803@bsdforen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VxJb6WgA6MoA+arP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50E2E720.3040803@bsdforen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on tom.home Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:58:14 -0000 --VxJb6WgA6MoA+arP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:39:44PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 01/01/2013 07:51, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > >> On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > >>> On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: > >>>> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. > >>>>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a > >>>>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build in > >>>>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority o= f CPU > >>>>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes of = CPU > >>>>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of th= e CPU > >>>>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without exception > >>>>> tools that access a lot of files. > >>>>> > >>>>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from > >>>>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. > >>>>> > >>>>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I > >>>>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tinder= box to > >>>>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. > >>>> > >>>> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. > >>> > >>> I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. Did you rebuild your modules together with the new kernel ? > >>> > >>> I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-system. > >>> The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mark. > >>> On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. > >> > >> Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system > >> and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX > >> also pointed to a nullfs mount. > >> > >> Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without > >> nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. > >> > >> So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mount > >> (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). > >=20 > > Start providing some useful debugging information ? >=20 > That one might be interesting. It's all system time: >=20 > # time -lh make extract > =3D=3D=3D> License GPLv2 accepted by the user > =3D=3D=3D> Found saved configuration for openjdk-7.9.05_1 > =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for openjdk-7.9.05_2 > =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for openjdk-7u6-fcs-src-b24-09_aug_2012.zip. > =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for apache-ant-1.8.4-bin.zip. > =3D=3D=3D> openjdk-7.9.05_2 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/unzip - fou= nd > ^Ctime: command terminated abnormally > 4m29.30s real 3.03s user 4m22.55s sys > 5008 maximum resident set size > 135 average shared memory size > 2932 average unshared data size > 127 average unshared stack size > 7772 page reclaims > 0 page faults > 0 swaps > 19 block input operations > 101 block output operations > 0 messages sent > 0 messages received > 41 signals received > 1597 voluntary context switches > 16590 involuntary context switches Ok, from your mount -v output, are the three nullfs mounts the only nullfs mount ever used ? Is it only unzip which demostrates the silly behaviour ? Or does it happen with any program ? E.g., does ls(1) or sha1 on the nullfs mount also slow ? Could you try some low-tech profiling on the slow program. For instance, you could run ktrace/kdump -R to see which syscalls are slow. Most darkly part of your report for me, is that I also use nullfs-backed jails both on HEAD and stable/9, with bigger scale, and I do not have an issue. I just did pooma32% time unzip -q /usr/local/arch/freebsd/distfiles/openjdk-7u6-fcs-sr= c-b24-09_aug_2012.zip unzip -q 3.25s user 23.77s system 78% cpu 34.482 total over nullfs mount of /usr/home on /usr/sfw/local8/opt/pooma32/usr/home (nullfs, local). Please try the following patch, which changes nullfs behaviour to be non-cached by default. You could turn on the caching with the 'mount -t nullfs -o cache from to' mounting command. I am interested if use/non-use of -o cache makes a difference for you. diff --git a/sbin/mount_nullfs/mount_nullfs.c b/sbin/mount_nullfs/mount_nul= lfs.c index c88db3d..aaf66e5 100644 --- a/sbin/mount_nullfs/mount_nullfs.c +++ b/sbin/mount_nullfs/mount_nullfs.c @@ -57,27 +57,35 @@ static const char rcsid[] =3D =20 #include "mntopts.h" =20 -static struct mntopt mopts[] =3D { - MOPT_STDOPTS, - MOPT_END -}; - int subdir(const char *, const char *); static void usage(void) __dead2; =20 int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { - struct iovec iov[6]; - int ch, mntflags; + struct iovec *iov; + char *p, *val; char source[MAXPATHLEN]; char target[MAXPATHLEN]; + char errmsg[255]; + int ch, mntflags, iovlen; + char nullfs[] =3D "nullfs"; =20 + iov =3D NULL; + iovlen =3D 0; mntflags =3D 0; + errmsg[0] =3D '\0'; while ((ch =3D getopt(argc, argv, "o:")) !=3D -1) switch(ch) { case 'o': - getmntopts(optarg, mopts, &mntflags, 0); + val =3D strdup(""); + p =3D strchr(optarg, '=3D'); + if (p !=3D NULL) { + free(val); + *p =3D '\0'; + val =3D p + 1; + } + build_iovec(&iov, &iovlen, optarg, val, (size_t)-1); break; case '?': default: @@ -99,21 +107,16 @@ main(int argc, char *argv[]) errx(EX_USAGE, "%s (%s) and %s are not distinct paths", argv[0], target, argv[1]); =20 - iov[0].iov_base =3D strdup("fstype"); - iov[0].iov_len =3D sizeof("fstype"); - iov[1].iov_base =3D strdup("nullfs"); - iov[1].iov_len =3D strlen(iov[1].iov_base) + 1; - iov[2].iov_base =3D strdup("fspath"); - iov[2].iov_len =3D sizeof("fspath"); - iov[3].iov_base =3D source; - iov[3].iov_len =3D strlen(source) + 1; - iov[4].iov_base =3D strdup("target"); - iov[4].iov_len =3D sizeof("target"); - iov[5].iov_base =3D target; - iov[5].iov_len =3D strlen(target) + 1; - - if (nmount(iov, 6, mntflags)) - err(1, NULL); + build_iovec(&iov, &iovlen, "fstype", nullfs, (size_t)-1); + build_iovec(&iov, &iovlen, "fspath", source, (size_t)-1); + build_iovec(&iov, &iovlen, "target", target, (size_t)-1); + build_iovec(&iov, &iovlen, "errmsg", errmsg, sizeof(errmsg)); + if (nmount(iov, iovlen, mntflags) < 0) { + if (errmsg[0] !=3D 0) + err(1, "%s: %s", source, errmsg); + else + err(1, "%s", source); + } exit(0); } =20 diff --git a/sys/fs/nullfs/null.h b/sys/fs/nullfs/null.h index 0878e55..4f37020 100644 --- a/sys/fs/nullfs/null.h +++ b/sys/fs/nullfs/null.h @@ -34,9 +34,15 @@ * $FreeBSD$ */ =20 +#ifndef FS_NULL_H +#define FS_NULL_H + +#define NULLM_CACHE 0x0001 + struct null_mount { struct mount *nullm_vfs; struct vnode *nullm_rootvp; /* Reference to root null_node */ + uint64_t nullm_flags; }; =20 #ifdef _KERNEL @@ -80,3 +86,5 @@ MALLOC_DECLARE(M_NULLFSNODE); #endif /* NULLFS_DEBUG */ =20 #endif /* _KERNEL */ + +#endif diff --git a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_subr.c b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_subr.c index b2c7a75..f82d738 100644 --- a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_subr.c +++ b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_subr.c @@ -224,6 +224,9 @@ null_nodeget(mp, lowervp, vpp) * provide ready to use vnode. */ if (VOP_ISLOCKED(lowervp) !=3D LK_EXCLUSIVE) { + KASSERT((MOUNTTONULLMOUNT(mp)->nullm_flags & NULLM_CACHE) =3D=3D 0, + ("lowervp %p is not excl locked and cache is disabled", + lowervp)); vn_lock(lowervp, LK_UPGRADE | LK_RETRY); if ((lowervp->v_iflag & VI_DOOMED) !=3D 0) { vput(lowervp); diff --git a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vfsops.c b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vfsops.c index 7d84d51..8a5f1b9 100644 --- a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vfsops.c +++ b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vfsops.c @@ -67,6 +67,13 @@ static vfs_vget_t nullfs_vget; static vfs_extattrctl_t nullfs_extattrctl; static vfs_reclaim_lowervp_t nullfs_reclaim_lowervp; =20 +/* Mount options that we support. */ +static const char *nullfs_opts[] =3D { + "target", + "cache", + NULL +}; + /* * Mount null layer */ @@ -86,9 +93,11 @@ nullfs_mount(struct mount *mp) =20 if (!prison_allow(td->td_ucred, PR_ALLOW_MOUNT_NULLFS)) return (EPERM); - if (mp->mnt_flag & MNT_ROOTFS) return (EOPNOTSUPP); + if (vfs_filteropt(mp->mnt_optnew, nullfs_opts)) + return (EINVAL); + /* * Update is a no-op */ @@ -149,7 +158,7 @@ nullfs_mount(struct mount *mp) } =20 xmp =3D (struct null_mount *) malloc(sizeof(struct null_mount), - M_NULLFSMNT, M_WAITOK); + M_NULLFSMNT, M_WAITOK | M_ZERO); =20 /* * Save reference to underlying FS @@ -187,16 +196,25 @@ nullfs_mount(struct mount *mp) mp->mnt_flag |=3D MNT_LOCAL; MNT_IUNLOCK(mp); } + + vfs_flagopt(mp->mnt_optnew, "cache", &xmp->nullm_flags, NULLM_CACHE); + MNT_ILOCK(mp); - mp->mnt_kern_flag |=3D lowerrootvp->v_mount->mnt_kern_flag & - (MNTK_SHARED_WRITES | MNTK_LOOKUP_SHARED | MNTK_EXTENDED_SHARED); + if ((xmp->nullm_flags & NULLM_CACHE) !=3D 0) { + mp->mnt_kern_flag |=3D lowerrootvp->v_mount->mnt_kern_flag & + (MNTK_SHARED_WRITES | MNTK_LOOKUP_SHARED | + MNTK_EXTENDED_SHARED); + } mp->mnt_kern_flag |=3D MNTK_LOOKUP_EXCL_DOTDOT; MNT_IUNLOCK(mp); mp->mnt_data =3D xmp; vfs_getnewfsid(mp); - MNT_ILOCK(xmp->nullm_vfs); - TAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(&xmp->nullm_vfs->mnt_uppers, mp, mnt_upper_link); - MNT_IUNLOCK(xmp->nullm_vfs); + if ((xmp->nullm_flags & NULLM_CACHE) !=3D 0) { + MNT_ILOCK(xmp->nullm_vfs); + TAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(&xmp->nullm_vfs->mnt_uppers, mp, + mnt_upper_link); + MNT_IUNLOCK(xmp->nullm_vfs); + } =20 vfs_mountedfrom(mp, target); =20 @@ -234,13 +252,15 @@ nullfs_unmount(mp, mntflags) */ mntdata =3D mp->mnt_data; ump =3D mntdata->nullm_vfs; - MNT_ILOCK(ump); - while ((ump->mnt_kern_flag & MNTK_VGONE_UPPER) !=3D 0) { - ump->mnt_kern_flag |=3D MNTK_VGONE_WAITER; - msleep(&ump->mnt_uppers, &ump->mnt_mtx, 0, "vgnupw", 0); + if ((mntdata->nullm_flags & NULLM_CACHE) !=3D 0) { + MNT_ILOCK(ump); + while ((ump->mnt_kern_flag & MNTK_VGONE_UPPER) !=3D 0) { + ump->mnt_kern_flag |=3D MNTK_VGONE_WAITER; + msleep(&ump->mnt_uppers, &ump->mnt_mtx, 0, "vgnupw", 0); + } + TAILQ_REMOVE(&ump->mnt_uppers, mp, mnt_upper_link); + MNT_IUNLOCK(ump); } - TAILQ_REMOVE(&ump->mnt_uppers, mp, mnt_upper_link); - MNT_IUNLOCK(ump); mp->mnt_data =3D NULL; free(mntdata, M_NULLFSMNT); return (0); diff --git a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vnops.c b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vnops.c index f530ed2..cc35d81 100644 --- a/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vnops.c +++ b/sys/fs/nullfs/null_vnops.c @@ -692,7 +692,22 @@ null_unlock(struct vop_unlock_args *ap) static int null_inactive(struct vop_inactive_args *ap __unused) { + struct vnode *vp; 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I have complete backups and will be doing a complete re-install. I have seen several different examples of what to put into /etc/src.conf and /etc/make.conf and am not sure if it is safe or even advisable to make the move to Clang for source and ports. Can someone help with this? Thanks in advance Robert From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 18:59:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0D2B2C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE478FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tq73L-0007Qk-Hb for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:59:07 +0100 Received: from h253044.upc-h.chello.nl ([62.194.253.44] helo=pinky) by smtp.greenhost.nl with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tq73L-0008HP-Lm for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:59:07 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src.conf question References: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Ronald Klop" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.12 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Scan-Signature: 919fae14bc17c74543a025539baad412 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:59:10 -0000 On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:44:16 +0100, Robert wrote: > Greetings > > I will be upgrading my main desktop system from 8-stable to 9-stable > this week and am quite confused with regards to Clang vs GCC. I have > complete backups and will be doing a complete re-install. > > I have seen several different examples of what to put > into /etc/src.conf and /etc/make.conf and am not sure if it is safe or > even advisable to make the move to Clang for source and ports. > > Can someone help with this? > > Thanks in advance > > Robert Clang in 9 works, but is not officially supported. If you are not sure I advise you to do the upgrade using the supported methods as described in /usr/src/UPDATING or the handbook[1]. After upgrading you can always change the default compiler to clang[2] and play with it from a known working state. Ronald. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html [2] http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 19:07:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688E7CB3 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (m209-73.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.209.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDD38FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r01J7R9s017168; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r01J7RCK017167; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:07:27 -0800 From: David Wolfskill To: Robert Subject: Re: src.conf question Message-ID: <20130101190727.GQ1787@albert.catwhisker.org> References: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DCA/C9WSnDtl50zu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:07:38 -0000 --DCA/C9WSnDtl50zu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 06:44:16AM -0800, Robert wrote: > ... > I will be upgrading my main desktop system from 8-stable to 9-stable > this week and am quite confused with regards to Clang vs GCC. I have > complete backups and will be doing a complete re-install. >=20 > I have seen several different examples of what to put > into /etc/src.conf and /etc/make.conf and am not sure if it is safe or > even advisable to make the move to Clang for source and ports. >=20 > Can someone help with this? > ... Back around May, I migrated my stable/8 machines to stable/9. At that time, I also switched to clang from gcc for building the FreeBSD base system. (I expected quite a bit more "turbulence" were I to attempt that with ports.) Accordingly, I configured /etc/src.conf to read: CC=3Dclang CXX=3Dclang++ CPP=3Dclang-cpp WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=3Dyes and that has been working well for me since. (Disclosure: I track stable/9 daily, which is probably a higher frequency than most folks. For that matter, I also track head daily on the same machine (different slice).) In any case, there are no problems I can ascribe to having done that. Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Taliban: Evil men with guns afraid of truth from a 14-year old girl. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. --DCA/C9WSnDtl50zu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlDjM+0ACgkQmprOCmdXAD0SPgCaAnX4XE4lRbFFdBpg4yb3R9GS yI8AnRNzoksYw8IkATAys+nQYOIh3I/c =YS07 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DCA/C9WSnDtl50zu-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 20:17:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53B4DEE for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECF08FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 044C91A3C60; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:17:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:17:17 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Derek Kulinski , FreeBSD , Chris H , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:17:27 -0000 On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. > Just In Case: > > FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long > term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins > via git.freebsd.org and github. > > Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately are of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git behind the scenes. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 20:20:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF82EFA for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CD28FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ej20so5226987lab.35 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=St0GFwU1Iu3ghw6QVrO7nX5VLESN4a4X2jOfk1ZVWQU=; b=QPjpzgKEzQTcSGe3X0EKxHfvUmZviCRt18NE00rQUjHge5U+edx4Vyg0YWkDrQTee7 wocl9+rhZAioKq7YYcxyA5nT57bpBA00wTm/it+HMIYLnyOi53T9G1pHNEr6Vm6DZ2/H MZ9X+UPpqpKfxYQT9oKF4tq7fnnh8ikLayQJk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=St0GFwU1Iu3ghw6QVrO7nX5VLESN4a4X2jOfk1ZVWQU=; b=IbnvTGIfp48EpGdQhTkaWs+Ul5y2UGVWaGmwNrXqif7/rW8Wog9LZmb/E1zPIpf6AM PCbXODPlbKz/OndFnn/15bjSW/JHMO9gHOTLCOov47mnvZk0IodEUFsPU5CUIR57Xxe+ wdX5P50dc9tGMD2AbyvTaDK1O19gDXpDTi8qqLIgKSBTrOvm+DvIITTGOMfq+IEhnEhS UFgu4H35rScVKJzv+zgFND5BDzTxNDEstKB38b6YAFM1T71qICT+g81fmgPoeOVJxtic 4UWvdAvuuuYjd9W8ltSeiJtDcajqJa/bI+ETCCIUfF6fCPKrQj7jxxCZg6Nzunt1Y6sd beaQ== Received: by 10.112.25.198 with SMTP id e6mr18307784lbg.63.1357071609594; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.87.102 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:19:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkMimxzjNLYMPQq0pt9VnS/iokoIkVKOGJywQwk+dneNqIme8bZ2mXD7AyGax645x+aijZV Cc: Derek Kulinski , FreeBSD , Chris H , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:20:17 -0000 On 1 January 2013 15:17, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >> On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >>> >>> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >>> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >>> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. >> >> Just In Case: >> >> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >> via git.freebsd.org and github. >> >> > Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately are > of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git behind the > scenes. Yes. I use git behind the scenes as well. However, so far as I am aware, there are no plans in either the short or long terms to *convert upstream* to git. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 20:44:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767994F0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1C8FC15 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E77C91A3C5B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:44:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E34A8F.7050902@mu.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:43:59 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:44:06 -0000 On 1/1/13 12:19 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 1 January 2013 15:17, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >>>> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >>>> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >>>> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. >>> Just In Case: >>> >>> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >>> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >>> via git.freebsd.org and github. >>> >>> >> Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately are >> of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git behind the >> scenes. > Yes. I use git behind the scenes as well. However, so far as I am > aware, there are no plans in either the short or long terms to > *convert upstream* to git. > > Yes... no plans at all. -Alfred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRamB30E9mU From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 20:58:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00747A6 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532A78FC12 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.takeda.tk (takeda-ws2.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r01KwTud028992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:51:11 -0800 From: Derek Kulinski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1444392372.20130101125111@takeda.tk> To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Chris Rees , Chris H X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:58:35 -0000 Hello Alfred, Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 12:17:17 PM, you wrote: >> Just In Case: >> >> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >> via git.freebsd.org and github. >> > Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately > are of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git > behind the scenes. One of nice things about git is that it can work with many popular SCM schemes. So you can have a cake and eat it too. People who like git can just check in the repo to their local disks and work on it using git features without forcing rest of the developers to use git. There apparently is also freebsd git repo that allows to do it, but you can connect it straight to svn (or even cvs). -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk The best accelerator available for a Mac is one that causes it to go at 9.81 m/s2. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 21:18:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3BFA04 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047D18FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1726C1A3C5B; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E35294.7000501@mu.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:18:12 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Kulinski Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <1444392372.20130101125111@takeda.tk> In-Reply-To: <1444392372.20130101125111@takeda.tk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Chris Rees , Chris H X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:18:20 -0000 On 1/1/13 12:51 PM, Derek Kulinski wrote: > Hello Alfred, > > Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 12:17:17 PM, you wrote: > >>> Just In Case: >>> >>> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >>> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >>> via git.freebsd.org and github. >>> >> Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately >> are of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git >> behind the scenes. > One of nice things about git is that it can work with many popular SCM > schemes. So you can have a cake and eat it too. People who like git > can just check in the repo to their local disks and work on it using > git features without forcing rest of the developers to use git. > There apparently is also freebsd git repo that allows to do it, but > you can connect it straight to svn (or even cvs). "git-svn" is somewhat problematic: http://wiki.freebsd.org/GitWorkflow -> "Using git-svn (FreeBSD committers only)" -> > Things to keep in mind: > > * > > Never git merge branches, unless you know what you're doing. > > * > > Always git rebase your work on top of master, then git svn dcommit > can push the top commits to svn. > > * > > Always double-check with git svn dcommit -n to see what would happen. > > * > > While you can use git add for new files just fine, you won't be > able to push those upstream, you can however use the patch, apply > it to some subversion checkout and do the commit there. This is a > shortcoming of our very own Subversion hacks, but hey, it's better > than nothing! > > * > > While git-svn now allows you to set svn:mergeinfo when committing, > this is so fragile that the FreeBSD projects discourages its use. > Please use svn(1) for merging, sorry. > It's very poor (at least according to the wiki). Seems like you can't do much except pull a patch from git, apply to subversion and then commit upstream. Eck... I'm hoping this gets better. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 21:23:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6283DB11 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273868FC08 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.takeda.tk (takeda-ws2.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r01LNYkp029313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:24:00 -0800 From: Derek Kulinski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1084876452.20130101132400@takeda.tk> To: Kevin Oberman Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD , Chris H , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:23:36 -0000 Hello Kevin, Monday, December 31, 2012, 2:39:15 PM, you wrote: > All of that said, I still use CVS for on thing, RANCiD. (It is a > system for managing router and switch configurations).It can use > either CVS or SVN, but I keep the data is CVS as there is considerable > advantage to being able to grep through the delta files to looks for > some bit that has long been deleted. (We have about15 years worth of > router configurations in our archive.) But this is a special case. I > would never recommend anyone use CVS for general purpose code > management, (Not sure I'd recommend svn, either, but others are far > more of a change from CVS. I don't think svn has this functionality out of the box, but it looks like http://svn-search.sourceforge.net/ offers it, but I'm not 100% sure. Git appears to have it, I believe git log -S does this: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-log.html This man page of just a single git command is a perfect example showing that while git is extremely powerful it is also very complicated. For a comparison, this is svn log: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.ref.svn.c.log.html and cvs log: http://www-e815.fnal.gov/webspace/cvs/commands.html#log -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 22:35:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D50B52D for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdf356@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com (mail-qc0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1E48FC13 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id b12so7032744qca.32 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=C4EE5kH2lGwpWev76bkkFcdboC3Q4pzxdXlBowZLDmc=; b=ADQ6PHXZgYbH67kQfhRlcVQXrhajihtiArypMgdmbUDmCdrL/r2YcWfOtMdanIWhNO mmyC+vQxRYshOiy6SSgYIEjMEpPJ8C7mND8Jp7AcSBrQOMjYn08DVzzgzD/A5JCg8k3f ePrhljGu/FSwolEik93htcWC01sViViZr59MNFtG/tpJ33+Y9SGzlwM1f6lt3zynYMGd ibQAhG/oLshR40QH0wuX2LHd4YhD1QpkgQIMWhUcwojqHUZ5uL8axvRR6nfcIHepKVPa ABv7aIbedjF+YL9B4c4UqEULZz/au81aW6kgBg8gdwDC1pnX/+itVg/Htiubo+3LLfvv VWWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.78.82 with SMTP id j18mr9940345qak.69.1357079743746; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: mdf356@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.61.86 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E35294.7000501@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <1444392372.20130101125111@takeda.tk> <50E35294.7000501@mu.org> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:35:43 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fNGiqSQMM_XH6rk3P7azQSZo8HE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: mdf@FreeBSD.org To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Derek Kulinski , FreeBSD , Chris H , Chris Rees , Eitan Adler X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:35:45 -0000 On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > "git-svn" is somewhat problematic: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/GitWorkflow -> "Using git-svn (FreeBSD committers > only)" -> > >> Things to keep in mind: >> >> * >> >> Never git merge branches, unless you know what you're doing. >> >> * >> >> Always git rebase your work on top of master, then git svn dcommit >> can push the top commits to svn. >> >> * >> >> Always double-check with git svn dcommit -n to see what would happen. >> >> * >> >> While you can use git add for new files just fine, you won't be >> able to push those upstream, you can however use the patch, apply >> it to some subversion checkout and do the commit there. This is a >> shortcoming of our very own Subversion hacks, but hey, it's better >> than nothing! >> >> * >> >> While git-svn now allows you to set svn:mergeinfo when committing, >> this is so fragile that the FreeBSD projects discourages its use. >> Please use svn(1) for merging, sorry. >> > > It's very poor (at least according to the wiki). Seems like you can't do > much except pull a patch from git, apply to subversion and then commit > upstream. Eck... You can do "normal" code with git-svn just fine. You can't merge svn branches with git. Due to svn: properties on the files, you can't create new files with git. Everything else (i.e., in my experience 90% of the code I do) can be done in git. Because git svn dcommit pushes *all* patches, the recommendation is to look carefully at what will be pushed. But it's a quick git checkout ; git rebase -i HEAD~N; git svn dcommit; git checkout master; git svn fetch; git rebase; git delete to push only selected patches. Now that was a lot of typing, but heck, it could be scripted too. Cheers, matthew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 22:46:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1239B8B2 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@internecto.net) Received: from mx1.internecto.net (polaris.internecto.net [176.9.245.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B858FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA8DA02EB for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:46:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.internecto.net Received: from mx1.internecto.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.polaris.internecto.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5wRquB5x9sjq for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: lists@internecto.net) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 556FAA02DE for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50E36736.4020309@internecto.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:46:14 +0100 From: Mark van Dijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src.conf question References: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> <20130101190727.GQ1787@albert.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: <20130101190727.GQ1787@albert.catwhisker.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:46:18 -0000 > Accordingly, I configured /etc/src.conf to read: > > CC=clang > CXX=clang++ > CPP=clang-cpp > WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=yes This has worked for me as well, but I am not familiar with 'WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS'. Why did you add that and what does it do? Thanks Mark From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 22:51:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mandree.no-ip.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E30AE0 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mandree@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E658923CEB8 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:51:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E36875.8090105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:51:33 +0100 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:51:34 -0000 Am 31.12.2012 21:40, schrieb Chris H: > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. No, and it has nothing to do with Windows. CVS does work on Windows. SVN 1.5 or newer is CVS done right, if you want the server-client split model, and can waive the "distributed" nature of Mercurial, Git, or Bazaar-NG. For those who abuse CVS as content distribution and management system to just peek at individual files, it may not matter, and the pain of migrating to SVN may dominate, but if you have ever manually assembled a list of versions for how to merge because someone else branched in CVS without laying proper tags, you know why CVS must be replaced. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 23:13:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF0C244 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16D98FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1TqB1M-002Awl-U3>; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:13:20 +0100 Received: from e178018085.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.18.85] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1TqB1M-001IaR-Qf>; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:13:20 +0100 Message-ID: <50E36D8F.5030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:13:19 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark van Dijk Subject: Re: src.conf question References: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> <20130101190727.GQ1787@albert.catwhisker.org> <50E36736.4020309@internecto.net> In-Reply-To: <50E36736.4020309@internecto.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB6276C2A2CD4D2B7E3ADC8A3" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.18.85 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:13:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB6276C2A2CD4D2B7E3ADC8A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 01/01/13 23:46, schrieb Mark van Dijk: >> Accordingly, I configured /etc/src.conf to read: >> >> CC=3Dclang >> CXX=3Dclang++ >> CPP=3Dclang-cpp >> WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=3Dyes >=20 > This has worked for me as well, but I am not familiar with > 'WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS'. Why did you add that and what does it do? >=20 > Thanks > Mark WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS =3D yes makes the new libc++ being built. It can be use= d with LLVM/CLANG by setting explicitely CXXFLAGS+=3D -stdlib=3Dlibc++ -std=3Dc++11 in /etc/src.conf for being used with the base system's source build or, if you like to compile some other software, like ports using a C++ compiler (clang++ on systems like 9.1-STABLE or c++ on 10.0-CUR where cc/c++ refers now by default to LLVM/CLANG). While it works well on FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT at the moment (not for ports at all, but for the main system's source) it might not be the same on STABLE at the moment since the LLVM/CLANG is still 3.1 while on CURRENT it's 3.2. --------------enigB6276C2A2CD4D2B7E3ADC8A3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ422QAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8XrsH/1gsMoBzawIaXwWsFVbkkpfp 6ZN6MuHN/LCKOsRmFxxROo9sF/G6WA7RZVhuBRU8zZjxcF5v4HNuz7OCkM/PuEON Z0cv5TWazgWjRXLWNPcAcK5jjCNaeQdT2xgzn8d6S0k8dSVjhqUx7pVkJHYh/uA3 z0NwWH41T0RPirQmXy7/cx96w9Jj8bDgR/LEChqlvfmiyuq2zSCEVxQiu6dvGLhC iuSUMEHnNznvYQQ8p+scxpsTY7+BGPihwC/ac5wUX6pgyg8okAZpCJpzPcCuKDWU m+gfYqJYqWwaiF65n1ZRobvHqdfqOOcGOQqwkvzevjxneVfpOJaZJRTl+uvZKdc= =c1iV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB6276C2A2CD4D2B7E3ADC8A3-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 23:29:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487CC494 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@internecto.net) Received: from mx1.internecto.net (polaris.internecto.net [176.9.245.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE7B8FC0C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4EEA02EB for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:29:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.internecto.net Received: from mx1.internecto.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.polaris.internecto.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzRBciSj120C for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: lists@internecto.net) by mx1.internecto.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C97EFA02DE for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50E37157.10505@internecto.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:29:27 +0100 From: Mark van Dijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: src.conf question References: <20130101064416.559896f0@dell64> <20130101190727.GQ1787@albert.catwhisker.org> <50E36736.4020309@internecto.net> <50E36D8F.5030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <50E36D8F.5030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:29:30 -0000 >> (..) I am not familiar with >> 'WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS'. Why did you add that and what does it do? > > WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS = yes makes the new libc++ being built. It can be used > with LLVM/CLANG by setting explicitely > > CXXFLAGS+= -stdlib=libc++ -std=c++11 > > in /etc/src.conf for being used with the base system's source build or, > if you like to compile some other software, like ports using a C++ > compiler (clang++ on systems like 9.1-STABLE or c++ on 10.0-CUR where > cc/c++ refers now by default to LLVM/CLANG). > > While it works well on FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT at the moment (not for ports > at all, but for the main system's source) it might not be the same on > STABLE at the moment since the LLVM/CLANG is still 3.1 while on CURRENT > it's 3.2. > I see. Thank you for explaining, much appreciated. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 01:57:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803A574C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 01:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79598FC17 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 01:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p1137-ipbf1505funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [118.7.212.137]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r021ur8v023393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:57:03 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r021up20031870 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:56:53 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:53:04 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: NFS-exported ZFS instability From: Hiroki Sato X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Wed_Jan__2_10_53_04_2013_899)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:57:03 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT,SAMEHELOBY2HOP,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 01:57:10 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Jan__2_10_53_04_2013_899)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have been in a trouble about my NFS server for a long time. The symptom is that it stops working in one or two weeks after a boot. I could not track down the cause yet, but it is reproducible and only occurred under a very high I/O load. It did not panic, just stopped working---while it responded to ping, userland programs seemed not working. I could break it into DDB and get a kernel dump. The following URLs are a log of ps, trace, and etc.: http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.log.20130102 http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.dmesg.20130102 Does anyone see how to debug this? I guess this is due to a deadlock somewhere. I have suffered from this problem for almost two years. The above log is from stable/9 as of Dec 19, but this have persisted since 8.X. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Jan__2_10_53_04_2013_899)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlDjkwAACgkQTyzT2CeTzy19KACg3I02SLpt9/0k3oZf6CwwHZrC ghUAn0QDMU3L0vZ4QBbKU+vMa4QgV6qM =xeNb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Jan__2_10_53_04_2013_899)---- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 02:42:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938DDD35; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 02:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DEF8FC08; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 02:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id dr12so6354432wgb.35 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OGGRkzoF7+2xXJqvWpon42gLIxYOc7Lj4xGSKo0ey7M=; b=sva80LjX3yetagwQBa0S3UKn3vdIRIgT7yzVX9c/anaYtrfMMdntvcNFpExpPDuSQd LhYmIrvEZSot0VHMc/k/8fzTfZDkvVY3u8to2VUVMKAgtWG0o2aeG1CLFjgAXSqSXQ2T E8ZGcvNSgUNz7I0UrwD/IkSVLTU7HnmdBDDTVI0EtXBCf2871tX4wdpnDOuKeGKIVPv0 idAuDXUhDznt3/3cm1aivQYNk2EFN0m9dYYGZkur94FY9lpYK39dUrgqz1B5JXpnJ7up hYU/taEGgutj2h61LHTwn6wdEnsJQYvW7hmrfin2xGMxgxJqGtOv9yvOVIRFWHHyuKRm iSLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.81.39 with SMTP id w7mr69504517wix.15.1357094516710; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.172.197 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E36875.8090105@FreeBSD.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E36875.8090105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:41:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Kimmo Paasiala To: Matthias Andree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:42:04 -0000 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 31.12.2012 21:40, schrieb Chris H: > >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. > > No, and it has nothing to do with Windows. CVS does work on Windows. > > SVN 1.5 or newer is CVS done right, if you want the server-client split > model, and can waive the "distributed" nature of Mercurial, Git, or > Bazaar-NG. > > For those who abuse CVS as content distribution and management system to > just peek at individual files, it may not matter, and the pain of > migrating to SVN may dominate, but if you have ever manually assembled a > list of versions for how to merge because someone else branched in CVS > without laying proper tags, you know why CVS must be replaced. It's completely laughable to try to put a "yet another dumbed down tool for windows users" label on Subversion. It's not. To the OP of this thread, do your homework before you make such claims. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 04:13:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5EE154; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C5F8FC14; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id r024DKPB074174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id r024DKYg074173; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02962; Tue, 1 Jan 13 20:02:27 PST Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:02:05 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: hrs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS-exported ZFS instability Message-Id: <50e3a32d.y5esCCIn50EhNFml%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 04:13:21 -0000 Hiroki Sato wrote: > I have been in a trouble about my NFS server for a long time. > The symptom is that it stops working in one or two weeks after > a boot ... It did not panic, just stopped working---while it > responded to ping, userland programs seemed not working ... > Does anyone see how to debug this? I guess this is due to a > deadlock somewhere ... If you can afford the overhead, you could try running with some of the kernel debug options enabled (e.g. WITNESS, INVARIANTS, MUTEX_DEBUG). See conf/NOTES for descriptions. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 05:17:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050F878C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851AF8FC08 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r025GkmY058392; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r025GdqG058388; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Eitan Adler" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Derek Kulinski , Alfred Perlstein , FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:17:01 -0000 > On 1 January 2013 15:17, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> >>> On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >>>> >>>> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >>>> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >>>> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. >>> >>> Just In Case: >>> >>> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >>> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >>> via git.freebsd.org and github. >>> >>> >> Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately are >> of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git behind the >> scenes. > > Yes. I use git behind the scenes as well. However, so far as I am > aware, there are no plans in either the short or long terms to > *convert upstream* to git. Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for GIT, just seems a bit masochistic. --Chris > > > -- > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 05:49:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52C3CA7 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C21C8FC0C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:49:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=ZiJV1tbPz//b/WpPnO2THyG2CQGzOrLT239BU8EtxS8=; b=s+aAuRle1XiWwjHVqVQB5U08L4YgkpjRiZkhFSkF0uansdSxlTyVIUrSbSE4rGwRInpRzlR1siqIqWuqlcV4ZUl+mjWrED29HJ405fAlmfkQFTXkv26nEzwIVg5D9s/B; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=52935 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TqGvm-0009HX-4l; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:31:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:31:48 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: "Chris H" Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? 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I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated > CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for > GIT, just seems a bit masochistic. do not worry. It will come. Seriously, I do not understand many changes especially when there is a system in place which does not affect a running system at all but things inside the OS still could be improved. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 05:56:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A970DDC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87A48FC0A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mbook.home (pool-173-73-98-206.washdc.fios.verizon.net [173.73.98.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r025UKDF071824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:30:14 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:56:03 -0000 On 1 January 2013, at 21:16, Chris H wrote: >> On 1 January 2013 15:17, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD = would >>>>> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >>>>> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. >>>>=20 >>>> Just In Case: >>>>=20 >>>> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >>>> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class = cousins >>>> via git.freebsd.org and github. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>> Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me = lately are >>> of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git = behind the >>> scenes. >>=20 >> Yes. I use git behind the scenes as well. However, so far as I am >> aware, there are no plans in either the short or long terms to >> *convert upstream* to git. >=20 > Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated > CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for = GIT, > just seems a bit masochistic. Is the cvs code going away? I ask because I maintain a number of local = CVS repositories of code for which I am the only developer/maintainer. = I also use grep on the repositories to find sections of code previously = created and removed for future use. I can't bill my clients for = conversion to SVN so that cost I would have to eat. I am not = particularly thrilled about having to do so. I don't need most of the = CVS features. About all I do is check in. Occasionally I botch up a = module enough that I delete it and recover it from CVS. I don't use = branches or tags. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 06:18:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7FFC8 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B4E8FC12 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.takeda.tk (takeda-ws2.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r026I7A6033815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:18:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:12:39 -0800 From: Derek Kulinski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2110583965.20130101221239@takeda.tk> To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:18:35 -0000 Hello Doug, Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 9:30:14 PM, you wrote: >> Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated >> CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for GIT, >> just seems a bit masochistic. > Is the cvs code going away? I'm not in any way FreeBSD dev, but looks like yes, it goes away. In fact last time I fetched sources using cvsup they were outdated and my understanding is that cvsup was getting the files from cvs repo. > I ask because I maintain a number of > local CVS repositories of code for which I am the only > developer/maintainer. I also use grep on the repositories to find > sections of code previously created and removed for future use. I > can't bill my clients for conversion to SVN so that cost I would > have to eat. I am not particularly thrilled about having to do so.=20 > I don't need most of the CVS features. About all I do is check in.=20 > Occasionally I botch up a module enough that I delete it and recover > it from CVS. I don't use branches or tags. Subversion has a tool to automatically convert cvs repos to subversion. I believe that's how FreeBSD was converted. --=20 Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 06:39:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E19260 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222488FC08 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E6481A3C24; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:39:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E3D611.6050109@mu.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:39:13 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> In-Reply-To: <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:39:28 -0000 On 1/1/13 9:30 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > On 1 January 2013, at 21:16, Chris H wrote: > >>> On 1 January 2013 15:17, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>>> On 1/1/13 6:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>> On 1 January 2013 02:54, Derek Kulinski wrote: >>>>>> That said I would totally understand you being upset if FreeBSD would >>>>>> decide to switch to git, since despite its benefits that is a huge >>>>>> change, and would definitely be hard for people to adjust. >>>>> Just In Case: >>>>> >>>>> FreeBSD has no plans to switch to get in either the short or long >>>>> term. We will however offer git repositories and first-class cousins >>>>> via git.freebsd.org and github. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Are you sure? Most of the diffs developers have been handing me lately are >>>> of the form a/path b/path so I think they are mostly using git behind the >>>> scenes. >>> Yes. I use git behind the scenes as well. However, so far as I am >>> aware, there are no plans in either the short or long terms to >>> *convert upstream* to git. >> Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated >> CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for GIT, >> just seems a bit masochistic. > Is the cvs code going away? I ask because I maintain a number of local CVS repositories of code for which I am the only developer/maintainer. I also use grep on the repositories to find sections of code previously created and removed for future use. I can't bill my clients for conversion to SVN so that cost I would have to eat. I am not particularly thrilled about having to do so. I don't need most of the CVS features. About all I do is check in. Occasionally I botch up a module enough that I delete it and recover it from CVS. I don't use branches or tags. > Not sure I understand your question, you will be able to continue to use CVS from ports if you need the CVS binary. If you want FreeBSD to continue to export the FreeBSD project code in CVS form, that may be over or ending soon. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 06:44:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E683EC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from kabab.cs.huji.ac.il (kabab.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8775A8FC13 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by kabab.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1TqHtV-000Jiu-SS for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:33:42 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: stable 9.1, bge and ipmi not cooperating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:33:41 +0200 From: Daniel Braniss Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:44:43 -0000 Hi, the last batch of changes to bge caused the ipmi to stop working on a Sun Fire X2200 M2, and bge0: mem 0xfdff0000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci6 bge0: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz miibus2: on bge0 bge1: mem 0xfdfc0000-0xfdfcffff,0xfdfb0000-0xfdfbffff irq 18 at device 4.1 on pci6 bge1: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz miibus3: on bge1 cheers, danny From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 07:51:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3C470 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vps.rulingia.com (host-122-100-2-194.octopus.com.au [122.100.2.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207318FC16 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.rulingia.com (c220-239-254-207.belrs5.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.254.207]) by vps.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r027pRhZ044282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:51:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r027pMKW046769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:51:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r027pMAR046768; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:51:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:51:22 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130102075122.GO82100@server.rulingia.com> References: <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:51:36 -0000 --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2013-Jan-01 21:30:14 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: >Is the cvs code going away? There has been some discussion about removing CVS from the base system now it is no longer used. No concensus was reached, so it's not going away immediately (and would not be removed from 9.x or earlier branches in any case). CVS is (and will remain) available in ports (devel/cvs). --=20 Peter Jeremy --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlDj5voACgkQ/opHv/APuIchWgCdH59TUz12tp+Yrv7aVS1ZzxM7 gSsAoIxbDS70kFKhtbXkDX7ai9ZXg2cq =j+6I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bO4vSxwwZtUjUWHo-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 11:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7842E50 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp2.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD328FC0C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:08:31 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=AMIyp9Gn c=1 sm=0 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:17 a=sEdvf7baevIA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=9YQ-1ebCAAAA:8 a=pHA3C13z1-AA:10 a=sNNhCP9p3xpjyRa8-jsA:9 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.130.198.7 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.130.198.7] ([74.130.198.7:39267] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 12/BF-00942-82514E05; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:08:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0000 > There has been some discussion about removing CVS from the base system > now it is no longer used. No concensus was reached, so it's not going > away immediately (and would not be removed from 9.x or earlier branches > in any case). > CVS is (and will remain) available in ports (devel/cvs). > -- > Peter Jeremy Now CVS may be no longer used for FreeBSD servers, but NetBSD servers still use it for system source and pkgsrc. I like to keep up with NetBSD 6-STABLE and HEAD, maybe a final try for NetBSD 5.2, and that includes pkgsrc. If somebody could persuade NetBSD to switch to svn, I would surely not quarrel. Tom From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 11:26:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1651D23A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AB28FC0A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id e13so16542000iej.4 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 03:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bGsAeaPBO0ruLohJ6yuo0rnM8l43u0zSXe3kmm60BSI=; b=OO97moNfuqEwH7hVmQ6fHen0tWNQBgxtaCC6xbdozn59FxBZIpQZtilSVpL8Ba32PH YQ5NblzdEjZJG8lzyRJw5UpF7cEoASFtIvaXbM3TyPV/YXNkrGldLAyCRz89pt02Oowp aQ6caWNbJ7bIyAVcCSFoTzKM79B6fdqiCHvnq/JkkBjDPBUDsaZpuk1P63crVi1dind5 xrl7SCdBeg52W0t+autjxUYinFTu1WHqhjLaZXnBcu36dhEhIGDNMjm8BhGHMnga2pyt R+db/C1+HpScAjddJ7aL8C/mp/zyM6ulxlEPpVvVS/U23x9sBeSOj9TwSFWIHIuzaIYX U7Kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.161.169 with SMTP id xt9mr39151912igb.62.1357125966881; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 03:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 03:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 03:26:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> References: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:26:06 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Chris Rees To: Thomas Mueller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:26:08 -0000 On 2 Jan 2013 11:08, "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > > > There has been some discussion about removing CVS from the base system > > now it is no longer used. No concensus was reached, so it's not going > > away immediately (and would not be removed from 9.x or earlier branches > > in any case). > > > CVS is (and will remain) available in ports (devel/cvs). > > > -- > > Peter Jeremy > > Now CVS may be no longer used for FreeBSD servers, but NetBSD servers still use it for system source and pkgsrc. > > I like to keep up with NetBSD 6-STABLE and HEAD, maybe a final try for NetBSD 5.2, and that includes pkgsrc. > > If somebody could persuade NetBSD to switch to svn, I would surely not quarrel. To clarify, no-one wants to remove CVS completely, the suggestion was to move it out of the base system. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 13:24:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D463561; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from esa-jnhn.mail.uoguelph.ca (esa-jnhn.mail.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A508FC0A; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:24:46 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq02AKk05FCDaFvO/2dsb2JhbABFFoFphDu3KHOCHgEBBSNWGw4KAgINGQJZBogmDKdukEuBIo5lgRMDiGKNKoEcjyyDEoII X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,396,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="8578889" Received: from erie.cs.uoguelph.ca (HELO zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca) ([131.104.91.206]) by esa-jnhn.mail.uoguelph.ca with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2013 08:24:39 -0500 Received: from zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zcs3.mail.uoguelph.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7F5B3F7D; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:24:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:24:39 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Macklem To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> In-Reply-To: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> Subject: Re: NFS-exported ZFS instability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [172.17.91.201] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.10_GA_2692 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.10_GA_2692) Cc: Konstantin Belousov , alc , stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:24:47 -0000 Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hello, > > I have been in a trouble about my NFS server for a long time. The > symptom is that it stops working in one or two weeks after a boot. I > could not track down the cause yet, but it is reproducible and only > occurred under a very high I/O load. > > It did not panic, just stopped working---while it responded to ping, > userland programs seemed not working. I could break it into DDB and > get a kernel dump. The following URLs are a log of ps, trace, and > etc.: > > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.log.20130102 > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.dmesg.20130102 > > Does anyone see how to debug this? I guess this is due to a deadlock > somewhere. I have suffered from this problem for almost two years. > The above log is from stable/9 as of Dec 19, but this have persisted > since 8.X. > Well, I took a quick glance at the log and there are a lot of processes sleeping on "pfault" (in vm_waitpfault() in sys/vm/vm_page.c). I'm no vm guy, so I'm not sure when/why that will happen. The comment on the function suggests they are waiting for free pages. Maybe something as simple as running out of swap space or a problem talking to the disk(s) that has the swap partition(s) or ??? (I'm talking through my hat here, because I'm not conversant with the vm side of things.) I might take a closer look this evening and see if I can spot anything in the log, rick ps: I hope Alan and Kostik don't mind being added to the cc list. > -- Hiroki From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 14:25:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE5AC44 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602168FC08 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fs13so6144743lab.9 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:25:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=w8hlW+DnDgcCMmdl+GVGEDgyxegDKdBifgbaxd6251s=; b=U6U9GqBu4A0IaaOn6FFjSrccZr+IWf84sxGuNJUFuGLG5efO+eQLGs7FLJA1OO97ze TM95HY9CAgWCf53+tyMTxUgB2ui7XcypEqsLgqZIZGNH06xS+MqouqausG0+iHAVynoA uus9lkwWdlusVHNXUt/DavKVWK40KNrFWPJnc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=w8hlW+DnDgcCMmdl+GVGEDgyxegDKdBifgbaxd6251s=; b=FtPPHwgW31c/0XVJZVDVcsHm1E14XPSXtSIL341G8JKDfvn3jJnmMZHtutioJeogGl a/IvPozpgPf1oopMtLfqD0qCoT+I36herB7inIG6UpCp/snoEo5eRv02ATseyQfoGfmo ugWfsWa/pL0LCLtE+2tKqpU1sz73tZjK5JYVOsxQryxEVAqGQKJgw0hC36zOhbMZJJbJ G0RiT2xaK9pfW4QOk6LWbSHEmoF76XVJhvAO3VMHXRiKM4WydmUJlyIfwyT7LYb9aXuU cIhwmtW/8dBrXJ3MRnwQkl4QeEfGbmaVq82PwssDzAwHnh10eEOGAJ3Z0fBL/vdA9J1V DNMw== Received: by 10.152.125.237 with SMTP id mt13mr44011752lab.45.1357136728119; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:25:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.75.200 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:24:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Chris Rees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnHWt4bNAgTwxpTdFK8Pln4SGzzCYXePpyVb/+WwTwExpnmuoaaXiE5seoltMQSBILP8qbT Cc: FreeBSD , Thomas Mueller X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:25:30 -0000 On 2 January 2013 06:26, Chris Rees wrote: > To clarify, no-one wants to remove CVS completely, the suggestion was to > move it out of the base system. As the developer responsible for this: CVS will be removed from base. It already exists as a port in devel/cvs -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:02:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mandree.no-ip.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC21A4 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mandree@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B427523CEB8 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:02:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:02:11 +0100 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:02:12 -0000 Am 02.01.2013 06:31, schrieb Erich Dollansky: > Hi, > >> Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated >> CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for >> GIT, just seems a bit masochistic. > > do not worry. It will come. > > Seriously, I do not understand many changes especially when there is a > system in place which does not affect a running system at all but > things inside the OS still could be improved. The migration was made in order to get "things inside the OS ... improved" at all. Developers were fed up wasting too much time struggling with CVS itself rather than working on "the things inside the OS". From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:07:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58375433 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (mail.takeda.tk [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039221591 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.16.178] ([162.119.232.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r02G7GsH049372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Derek Kulinski Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:05:11 -0800 To: Eitan Adler , Chris Rees Message-ID: <145c92bb-a450-4078-9f82-6ed17123a3ad@email.android.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD , Thomas Mueller X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:07:29 -0000 Eitan Adler wrote: >On 2 January 2013 06:26, Chris Rees wrote: >> To clarify, no-one wants to remove CVS completely, the suggestion was >to >> move it out of the base system. > >As the developer responsible for this: > >CVS will be removed from base. It already exists as a port in >devel/cvs Will svn be added to the base? Not long ago I run into an issue when trying to downgrade my system to 9.0. After I noticed how majority of ports were broken due to changes in the libc I decided to back out by fetching 9.1 release just to learn that svn does not work as well. There were a lot of dependencies I decided to use portupgrade which required me to recompile ruby. After that it was a lot of compiling (for example Apache because apr was broken). Having svn in the base would save tons of time in my situation. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:12:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA835DA for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smkelly@flightaware.com) Received: from hub021-ca-2.exch021.serverdata.net (hub021-ca-2.exch021.serverdata.net [64.78.22.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F9F15B4 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MBX021-W3-CA-5.exch021.domain.local ([10.254.4.81]) by HUB021-CA-2.exch021.domain.local ([10.254.4.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:54:00 -0800 From: Sean Kelly To: "Wiley, Glen" , Daniel Braniss Subject: RE: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi) Thread-Topic: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi) Thread-Index: AQHN4OFEw2Pue//oQCOF7Nen9MVYapgmqczzgA+Wu4CAAAA+dA== Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:54:00 +0000 Message-ID: <13D4274FB3603545B1811E6390085F3D0C19CCEC@MBX021-W3-CA-5.exch021.domain.local> References: <13D4274FB3603545B1811E6390085F3D0C190360@MBX021-W3-CA-5.exch021.domain.local>, <641EE49757824F4BBE5F863B22FDDBF2171639@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <641EE49757824F4BBE5F863B22FDDBF2171639@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [38.100.147.146] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:12:18 -0000 No, it remains an outstanding issue. We've begun moving services to a spare= server to give us more time to investigate it.=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Wiley, Glen [gwiley@verisign.com]=0A= Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:52 AM=0A= To: Sean Kelly; Daniel Braniss=0A= Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org=0A= Subject: Re: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi)=0A= =0A= Did you guys end up identifying the cause of that panic?=0A= =0A= --=0A= Glen Wiley=0A= Systems Architect=0A= Verisign Inc.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On 12/23/12 12:56 PM, "Sean Kelly" wrote:=0A= =0A= >Greetings.=0A= >=0A= >All I have to do to panic it is boot it. As you can see from the dump, it= =0A= >died after about 30 seconds without me doing anything. I can't provide=0A= >those sysctl values easily, as it panics too quickly. I suppose I can=0A= >convince it to drop to DDB and pick them out if that would be helpful.=0A= >=0A= >Here they are from the working 8.2-R kernel.=0A= >vm.kmem_map_free: 49870348288=0A= >vm.kmem_map_size: 68964352=0A= >=0A= >This box, unlike most of our others, doesn't even utilizing ZFS.=0A= >root@papa:~# gpart show=0A= >=3D> 63 1141899192 mfid0 MBR (545G)=0A= > 63 1141884072 1 freebsd [active] (544G)=0A= > 1141884135 15120 - free - (7.4M)=0A= >=0A= >=3D> 0 1141884072 mfid0s1 BSD (544G)=0A= > 0 8388608 1 freebsd-ufs (4.0G)=0A= > 8388608 16777216 4 freebsd-ufs (8.0G)=0A= > 25165824 33554432 5 freebsd-ufs (16G)=0A= > 58720256 67108864 2 freebsd-swap (32G)=0A= > 125829120 67108864 7 freebsd-swap (32G)=0A= > 192937984 67108864 8 freebsd-swap (32G)=0A= > 260046848 881837224 6 freebsd-ufs (420G)=0A= >=0A= >________________________________________=0A= >From: Daniel Braniss [danny@cs.huji.ac.il]=0A= >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:43 AM=0A= >To: Sean Kelly=0A= >Subject: Re: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi)=0A= >=0A= >btw:=0A= >sysctl -a | grep kmem_map=0A= >vm.kmem_map_free: 8859570176=0A= >vm.kmem_map_size: 6037008384=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >danny=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >_______________________________________________=0A= >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable=0A= >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= =0A= =0A= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:14:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCC26FC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f174.google.com (mail-ia0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8298315D5 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y25so11796486iay.19 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:14:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mCO8shV90VjOBI2MtLwcq7aZ3olx9sUL3ZZBoHiamFM=; b=uZl5S++erH4KJWQFvM8Gx4O2eJw2QlUkulDKlthhKYAVlhqo2wW6uSiLfzNnV8i14s CrVQhh7aVNEvYVkjXdpClPM7p3Nh7tuu+e/W6j1wqW4l5TXnbHiEq/p4DCTl60/0BNtI C/uE9q3CnVNdA86HMhEb31bQ5OUeID3K/FLOFUgNglHNLZS81LDgezdMHCo4XE4jN+ua N99c48POpUHlx/Ts2gbny1D8vx7rfADw9Q7mKVevEzSi7ao18XAUb9BAA7wooyvIDj92 zbF5u+Z3CMNABS9Yib0SCtcl8hDMu1AYClquM5DLSpyyR8HsMjhe0CUAYTTpO29Fp8Gl aC1A== Received: by 10.42.27.74 with SMTP id i10mr35266709icc.47.1357143296684; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:14:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:14:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <145c92bb-a450-4078-9f82-6ed17123a3ad@email.android.com> References: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> <145c92bb-a450-4078-9f82-6ed17123a3ad@email.android.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Derek Kulinski Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Thomas Mueller X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:14:57 -0000 On 2 January 2013 16:05, Derek Kulinski wrote: > Eitan Adler wrote: > >>On 2 January 2013 06:26, Chris Rees wrote: >>> To clarify, no-one wants to remove CVS completely, the suggestion was >>to >>> move it out of the base system. >> >>As the developer responsible for this: >> >>CVS will be removed from base. It already exists as a port in >>devel/cvs > > Will svn be added to the base? Not long ago I run into an issue when tryi= ng to downgrade my system to 9.0. > > After I noticed how majority of ports were broken due to changes in the l= ibc I decided to back out by fetching 9.1 release just to learn that svn do= es not work as well. There were a lot of dependencies I decided to use port= upgrade which required me to recompile ruby. After that it was a lot of com= piling (for example Apache because apr was broken). Having svn in the base = would save tons of time in my situation. It certainly wouldn't, it would mean that instead of only building when you installed the port, it would build with every buildworld :) http://svnweb.FreeBSD.org/base/user/des/svnsup/ needs fixing if you're feeling brave. It won't be easy, however. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:43:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E597E6A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC7816C6 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AF011A3C24; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E4638E.2080204@mu.org> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:42:54 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Kulinski Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <12.BF.00942.82514E05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> <145c92bb-a450-4078-9f82-6ed17123a3ad@email.android.com> In-Reply-To: <145c92bb-a450-4078-9f82-6ed17123a3ad@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Thomas Mueller , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:43:02 -0000 On 1/2/13 8:05 AM, Derek Kulinski wrote: > Eitan Adler wrote: > >> On 2 January 2013 06:26, Chris Rees wrote: >>> To clarify, no-one wants to remove CVS completely, the suggestion was >> to >>> move it out of the base system. >> As the developer responsible for this: >> >> CVS will be removed from base. It already exists as a port in >> devel/cvs > Will svn be added to the base? Not long ago I run into an issue when trying to downgrade my system to 9.0. > > After I noticed how majority of ports were broken due to changes in the libc I decided to back out by fetching 9.1 release just to learn that svn does not work as well. There were a lot of dependencies I decided to use portupgrade which required me to recompile ruby. After that it was a lot of compiling (for example Apache because apr was broken). Having svn in the base would save tons of time in my situation. > Sorry, you needed to fetch 9.0 packages then*. Putting all of that in base is not likely to happen. * I wish doing this was somewhat more intuitive/easy -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 16:52:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227BE335 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gwiley@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og108.obsmtp.com (exprod6og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2019176D for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob108.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUORl1FB6Qtoq+4BXZBhjY6QdIYSamaFw@postini.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:52:42 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.205]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r02FqOKD026525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:52:24 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:52:23 -0500 From: "Wiley, Glen" To: Sean Kelly , Daniel Braniss Subject: Re: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi) Thread-Topic: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi) Thread-Index: AQHN4OFEw2Pue//oQCOF7Nen9MVYapgmqczzgA+Wu4A= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:52:24 +0000 Message-ID: <641EE49757824F4BBE5F863B22FDDBF2171639@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <13D4274FB3603545B1811E6390085F3D0C190360@MBX021-W3-CA-5.exch021.domain.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:52:43 -0000 Did you guys end up identifying the cause of that panic? -- Glen Wiley Systems Architect Verisign Inc. On 12/23/12 12:56 PM, "Sean Kelly" wrote: >Greetings. > >All I have to do to panic it is boot it. As you can see from the dump, it >died after about 30 seconds without me doing anything. I can't provide >those sysctl values easily, as it panics too quickly. I suppose I can >convince it to drop to DDB and pick them out if that would be helpful. > >Here they are from the working 8.2-R kernel. >vm.kmem_map_free: 49870348288 >vm.kmem_map_size: 68964352 > >This box, unlike most of our others, doesn't even utilizing ZFS. >root@papa:~# gpart show >=3D> 63 1141899192 mfid0 MBR (545G) > 63 1141884072 1 freebsd [active] (544G) > 1141884135 15120 - free - (7.4M) > >=3D> 0 1141884072 mfid0s1 BSD (544G) > 0 8388608 1 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) > 8388608 16777216 4 freebsd-ufs (8.0G) > 25165824 33554432 5 freebsd-ufs (16G) > 58720256 67108864 2 freebsd-swap (32G) > 125829120 67108864 7 freebsd-swap (32G) > 192937984 67108864 8 freebsd-swap (32G) > 260046848 881837224 6 freebsd-ufs (420G) > >________________________________________ >From: Daniel Braniss [danny@cs.huji.ac.il] >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:43 AM >To: Sean Kelly >Subject: Re: RELENG_9 panic with PERC 6/i (mfi) > >btw: >sysctl -a | grep kmem_map >vm.kmem_map_free: 8859570176 >vm.kmem_map_size: 6037008384 > > >danny > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 17:40:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6322501; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CF918A2; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tom.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r02HeiBN043937; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:40:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 kib.kiev.ua r02HeiBN043937 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r02Heikc043936; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:40:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:40:44 +0200 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Rick Macklem Subject: Re: NFS-exported ZFS instability Message-ID: <20130102174044.GB82219@kib.kiev.ua> References: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Sz/4MAOlM1c8JZ8/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on tom.home Cc: alc , stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:40:54 -0000 --Sz/4MAOlM1c8JZ8/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 08:24:39AM -0500, Rick Macklem wrote: > Hiroki Sato wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > I have been in a trouble about my NFS server for a long time. The > > symptom is that it stops working in one or two weeks after a boot. I > > could not track down the cause yet, but it is reproducible and only > > occurred under a very high I/O load. > >=20 > > It did not panic, just stopped working---while it responded to ping, > > userland programs seemed not working. I could break it into DDB and > > get a kernel dump. The following URLs are a log of ps, trace, and > > etc.: > >=20 > > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.log.20130102 > > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.dmesg.20130102 > >=20 > > Does anyone see how to debug this? I guess this is due to a deadlock > > somewhere. I have suffered from this problem for almost two years. > > The above log is from stable/9 as of Dec 19, but this have persisted > > since 8.X. > >=20 > Well, I took a quick glance at the log and there are a lot of processes > sleeping on "pfault" (in vm_waitpfault() in sys/vm/vm_page.c). I'm no > vm guy, so I'm not sure when/why that will happen. The comment on the > function suggests they are waiting for free pages. >=20 > Maybe something as simple as running out of swap space or a problem > talking to the disk(s) that has the swap partition(s) or ??? > (I'm talking through my hat here, because I'm not conversant with > the vm side of things.) >=20 > I might take a closer look this evening and see if I can spot anything > in the log, rick > ps: I hope Alan and Kostik don't mind being added to the cc list. What I see in the log is that the lock cascade rooted in the thread 100838, which owns system map mutex. I believe this prevents malloc(9) =66rom making a progress in other threads, which e.g. own the ZFS vnode locks. As the result, the whole system wedged. Looking back at the thread 100838, we can see that it executes smp_tlb_shootdown(). It is impossible to tell from the static dump, is the appearance of the smp_tlb_shootdown() in the backtrace is transient, or the thread is spinning there, waiting for other CPUs to acknowledge the request. But, since the system wedged, most likely, smp_tlb_shootdown spins. Taking this hypothesis, the situation can occur, most likely, due to some other core running with the interrupts disabled. Inspection of the backtraces of the processes running on all cores does not show any which could legitimately own a spinlock or otherwise run with the interrupts disabled. One thing you could try to do is to enable WITNESS for the spinlocks, to try to catch the leaked spinlock. I very much doubt that this is the case. Another thing to try is to switch the CPU idle method to something else. Look at the machdep.idle* sysctls. It could be some CPU errata which blocks wakeup due the interrupt in some conditions in C1 ? --Sz/4MAOlM1c8JZ8/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ5HEbAAoJEJDCuSvBvK1BHqAP/3n+4ZOqUmrwGefE+uorAie+ 2DM6KRS0V0aoGdPvVJRKQlKFRIZ59skFbaYuqrqXrX6by0q2eBXi6gCatZZ1jdP4 RX20zfK9awYnoxAHP4aNILPQrNN5Gfkgdia5tFnygCSJBuAWKDkaeW4yGpLFoDn9 t+ztc7WN7eCC7eXAVL1DGPIkhBvsmaQAjy6uiF4COruO6EopgopIPeQIBHfJgxIb uFeYeGIs4iKCh8C7ErZp2AXI4STKAidwanrKgriq6nnO3oaccKtAV+f5xA6o2Zp1 10t3ikWujhN+6saTPRoDZ0ydDvcHKKOq1d5WLUsMdUcyn5E9rmz4Siwfp4R7MfoJ DhsTHZ8riCkzNbj32lT+Yp3DfV3+bemqQav17xW/sS+Y3h+LQ9FP+Ko3ukxBJcqH JFIqpsGFiltW1HWwTJzULGSvw7OJjtWIM9IN6dDfWAu/Hy5P+lOyfMvXuiZIizYQ 6uLm8xVBs8ayE8IJQaUR6BsD7Mk2r1/9pjAOvmfb+PExN3mf8jqW54eTt6PcYXAn tsx2rVbR580J/TJbCEuFAlZARv/ohiQWIgAHSkcRgzsQbID+qVQI0y5Ce5n0ji72 VM6mLWdKX0h0nEmrCLw+kgiB6ZggRwTycZNCrxf7MPEGgUyQbvZPIE9M2Blol/dZ XK5s6u/jYkNhsiJSgqNt =n3YC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sz/4MAOlM1c8JZ8/-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 17:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C622735 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE2818BF for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r02HiP37086057; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 04:44:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 04:44:25 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Sergey Kandaurov Subject: Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements In-Reply-To: <20121224041301.W83325@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: <20130103032748.V30575@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1356218834151-5771583.post@n5.nabble.com> <50D644E5.9070801@martenvijn.nl> <20121223150954.B81991@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20121224041301.W83325@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Marten Vijn , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, jakub_lach@mailplus.pl X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:44:31 -0000 On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 04:50:22 +1100, Ian Smith wrote: [following up my own message with a later report] > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:23 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: > > On 23 December 2012 10:22, Ian Smith wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:45:39 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: > > > > This (i.e. the "kmem_map too small" message seen with kernel memory > > > > shortage) could be due to CAM CTL ('device ctl' added in 9.1), which is > > > > quite a big kernel memory consumer. > > > > Try to disable CTL in loader with kern.cam.ctl.disable=1 to finish boot. > > > > > > I've just added that, thanks Sergey, but it's sadly not an option for > > > installation. I guess it's too late for the release notes - which at > > > RC3 made no mention of CAM CTL at all - but it's not yet clear to me > > > whether even 256MB is enough to boot, install and run 9.1 GENERIC? > > > > If you perform clean installation (e.g. from ISO), you can escape to the > > loader prompt and set the tunable there w/o the need for /boot/loader.conf. > > I experimented with Vbox and AFAIK 256MB was enough even with CAM CTL. > > Ah right; I'd booted and installed from memstick, where escape to loader > prompt is not an option. I'll burn a disc1 and try that with the 128MB > again, and make sure that 256MB is comfortable - after holiday madness. So I tried again with the 128MB RAM, from a disc1 boot, from loader set kern.cam.ctl.disable=1, installed all distributions, no problems; with sshd, powerd, no ntpd (laptop had broken NIC then, now fixed), loaded acpi_ibm (working well, and suspend and resume finally work reliably out of the box, excellent!), top showing 77MB free. Ran it for over a day doing nothing much - resume, browse some stuff, suspend - 77MB free. With 256MB instead, installed as above _without_ disabling kern.cam.ctl, no problems, to another slice. As an aside, bsdinstall didn't update my boot0, leaving the previously installed slice selected on boot, but I'm more relieved it didn't mess with it :) top showed 167MB free, steady. 256MB as above but with kern.cam.ctl.disabled=1, top shows 202MB free. 202 - 167 = 35MB extra by cam.ctl. Without cam.ctl, 128 - 77 = 51MB used, 256 - 202 = 54MB used, unsure where 3MB went but I'm not worried. So I'm happy to say that 128MB RAM, with kern.cam.ctl.disabled=1, boots, installs and runs 9.1-R fine. I might even try it on my ancient but so far unstoppable 10yrs x24x7 Compaq Armada 1500c, maxed out at 160MB :) I notice that my previous 202MB free is now down to 6.4MB, with swap touched at 336K, that's likely normal; I'll work it a bit harder soon. It'd be nice if booting from memstick allowed dropping to loader. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 18:03:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FC14B0 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.homeunix.org) Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E4B19E5 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (zidane.cc.vt.edu [198.82.163.227]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r02HnEvu012359 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:49:14 -0500 Received: from auth3.smtp.vt.edu (EHLO auth3.smtp.vt.edu) ([198.82.161.152]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id VSW31351; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu (pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu [128.173.51.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth3.smtp.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r02HnEIn011213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:49:14 -0500 From: Paul Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:49:14 -0500 To: stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 198.82.161.152 auth3.smtp.vt.edu paul@gromit.homeunix.org 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=zidane.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020209.50E4731A.0128,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:03:44 -0000 Yesterday, I updated my RELENG_8 ZFS-only system that has worked like a = champ for ages. After a successful install{kernel,world} and reboot, I = noticed the 20121130 entry in /usr/src/UPDATING and upgraded my ZFS pool = via "zfs upgrade -a". I also upgraded my boot blocks as requested, and = as per the "ZFS notes" section of /usr/src/UPDATING. Unfortunately rebooting with the upgraded pool failed. The "windmill" = boot spinner spins for a tiny amount of time and then stops dead. :-( I = don't get to the boot loader menu at all. I downloaded a very recent RELENG_8 snapshot = (FreeBSD-8.3-RELENG_8-r244923-JPSNAP-amd64-amd64-memstick.img) from = pub.allbsd.org and was able to boot successfully from USB using that. I = entered Fixit Mode and tried to write the boot blocks on the memstick = image onto my hard drives but the resultant system still wouldn't boot. = The commands I used (from Fixit Mode) are these: gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad4 gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad6 (ad4 and ad6 are my two hard drives.) If I "load zfs" before booting the USB memstick then I can see my old = pool listed when I do "zfs import". I haven't tried importing the pool = because I'm not sure if that would make the problem worse. Does anyone have any advice in restoring this system to bootability? I = followed the standard "root on ZFS" recipe using a two drive mirror when = installing the system initially. Each drive uses GPT with three = partitions: freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap, and freebsd-zfs in that order. = Like I said at the start, all this worked for a long time until just now = when I upgraded the pool to enable "feature flags" support. :-( Any help is appreciated. Cheers, Paul. 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From: Oliver Pinter To: mdf@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD , Alfred Perlstein , Eitan Adler , Chris H , Derek Kulinski , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:11:46 -0000 On 1/1/13, mdf@freebsd.org wrote: > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> "git-svn" is somewhat problematic: >> >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/GitWorkflow -> "Using git-svn (FreeBSD committers >> only)" -> >> >>> Things to keep in mind: >>> >>> * >>> >>> Never git merge branches, unless you know what you're doing. >>> >>> * >>> >>> Always git rebase your work on top of master, then git svn dcommit >>> can push the top commits to svn. >>> >>> * >>> >>> Always double-check with git svn dcommit -n to see what would >>> happen. >>> >>> * >>> >>> While you can use git add for new files just fine, you won't be >>> able to push those upstream, you can however use the patch, apply >>> it to some subversion checkout and do the commit there. This is a >>> shortcoming of our very own Subversion hacks, but hey, it's better >>> than nothing! >>> >>> * >>> >>> While git-svn now allows you to set svn:mergeinfo when committing, >>> this is so fragile that the FreeBSD projects discourages its use. >>> Please use svn(1) for merging, sorry. >>> >> >> It's very poor (at least according to the wiki). Seems like you can't do >> much except pull a patch from git, apply to subversion and then commit >> upstream. Eck... > > You can do "normal" code with git-svn just fine. You can't merge svn > branches with git. Due to svn: properties on the files, you can't > create new files with git. Everything else (i.e., in my experience > 90% of the code I do) can be done in git. > > Because git svn dcommit pushes *all* patches, the recommendation is to > look carefully at what will be pushed. But it's a quick git checkout > ; git rebase -i HEAD~N; git svn dcommit; git checkout master; > git svn fetch; git rebase; git delete to push only selected > patches. > In this page you can find some example of aliasing in git: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Aliases > Now that was a lot of typing, but heck, it could be scripted too. > > Cheers, > matthew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 18:38:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437E0710 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A081CC4 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n11so14823929vch.30 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wemm.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MR0NSU8WK7Z7zv5JvwrWskNmbO0w9af9wIqzxDq5aKg=; b=Kn+n4x5EPylo9+aRgmPcIfeaU8mPJnQ/XK9Ac0oXn1l6PuRCAmRgp5wtN0V0tOA3vO H8/LUNXE1SuKo24qxwgCP2Q9Zr30C1OpCY0WIFw7N6FTs8qX05okJrP5aG1g25Z1eQ6z xMY5yUpgUaO5G1P3gSNfgHfYS892LFKHggX6c= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MR0NSU8WK7Z7zv5JvwrWskNmbO0w9af9wIqzxDq5aKg=; b=dgDTc2i0Mmub/q3toP0Hio6vJl6xeqf2YVQPr0bcglonaYUl3FhinyRNRn/h094H9+ 34gjxPzRb9VJFicEyiOJyLMN3+soJUXYPii+7YTllN5JWsF14lwfEHO7Xth35rtKWLBD Bj04g9Z1s+myRkcTIAPzA+D7q4tmrCv+ZzKLd6TeMBj9sgGcP7zZjEOfc/5q22Q9PYt0 Z0b13R8vfvuevGDHuGaKfv5yVOX0uPg9sTNLPdO64LGoLskP8nI/7bBn5dzQv4cgkOC7 hyCSsj2iONe7mQQ2DK4cS26spzwmGCo2mzzaiOL3o91+uTzk2ZmU+ZoepdrdaajruJaF pZhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.74 with SMTP id a10mr70781066vcp.20.1357151477302; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.205.6 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:31:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <401FC04D-4A10-490B-BE89-D9FBE4C99583@lafn.org> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:31:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Peter Wemm To: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlU0VJffssnb22B3mY2RaufwE2IpmkLoZIOcFvBR0Yed67RDC61YlYAgZHlp2GmhkMrvPu/ Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:38:15 -0000 On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: > Is the cvs code going away? If you mean, /usr/bin/cvs.. then you should be aware that there is an identical version in ports/devel/cvs. Having a single version in ports has the advantage that the same bug fixes are available to all branches of FreeBSD. A number of folks have expressed a desire to see the transition from src to ports be as seamless and painless as possible. I think its a fairly safe bet that it'll happen for FreeBSD-10. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV bitcoin:188ZjyYLFJiEheQZw4UtU27e2FMLmuRBUE From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 19:10:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEDF144 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDC61E2D for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r02JAFxY069915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:10:15 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r02JAFxY069915 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1357153815; bh=pZ574QDExKToY7pGkI/S84bo739Ejg2dBTgegJboWSM=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Wed,=2002=20Jan=202013=2019:10:08=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20Paul=20Mather= 20|CC:=20stable@freebsd.org|Subject:=20R e:=20Upgrade=20of=20RELENG_8=20ZFS=20boot=20pool=20leads=20to=20un bootable=20system|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20; b=jc7Rg3zgdRgzYaHyc1bigc94F0n3eaKYE7g2ar+SLPabo/U174O50GV7BrcUHAEcw ICVYtSAsGJvFkt2ZNpPQSiv5yhkYO2dxB8Fo3amFsFiqOAj1ikCr8NBhbKrg60JbEg ftfD9SaKQ2Vo7klSy7l5W6+c7prGJLuDkcoM89cw= Message-ID: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:10:08 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4BC42789017C059CDF9FDB66" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:10:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4BC42789017C059CDF9FDB66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/01/2013 17:49, Paul Mather wrote: > Yesterday, I updated my RELENG_8 ZFS-only system that has worked like a= champ for ages. After a successful install{kernel,world} and reboot, I = noticed the 20121130 entry in /usr/src/UPDATING and upgraded my ZFS pool = via "zfs upgrade -a". I also upgraded my boot blocks as requested, and a= s per the "ZFS notes" section of /usr/src/UPDATING. >=20 > Unfortunately rebooting with the upgraded pool failed. The "windmill" = boot spinner spins for a tiny amount of time and then stops dead. :-( I = don't get to the boot loader menu at all. >=20 > I downloaded a very recent RELENG_8 snapshot (FreeBSD-8.3-RELENG_8-r244= 923-JPSNAP-amd64-amd64-memstick.img) from pub.allbsd.org and was able to = boot successfully from USB using that. I entered Fixit Mode and tried to= write the boot blocks on the memstick image onto my hard drives but the = resultant system still wouldn't boot. The commands I used (from Fixit Mo= de) are these: >=20 > gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4 > gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad6 >=20 > (ad4 and ad6 are my two hard drives.) >=20 > If I "load zfs" before booting the USB memstick then I can see my old p= ool listed when I do "zfs import". I haven't tried importing the pool be= cause I'm not sure if that would make the problem worse. >=20 > Does anyone have any advice in restoring this system to bootability? I= followed the standard "root on ZFS" recipe using a two drive mirror when= installing the system initially. Each drive uses GPT with three partiti= ons: freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap, and freebsd-zfs in that order. Like I s= aid at the start, all this worked for a long time until just now when I u= pgraded the pool to enable "feature flags" support. :-( >=20 > Any help is appreciated. I think you may be running into problems with zpool.cache. This has been fixed in current, which now has the ability to find the root zpool without a valid zpool.cache, but that I suspect is faint comfort for you.= To recover from a toasted zpool.cache, you need to boot from alternate media and then import your root zpool. It's easiest to do that to a temporary directory. The important bit is to copy the zpool.cache onto your actual zroot device: -- Boot from install media to 'Live CD' and log in as root (no password)= # kldload zfs -- should load opensolaris.ko automatically # cd /tmp -- this should be a writable MFS; you'll need to arrange something similar if not. # zpool import -o cachefile=3D/tmp/zpool.cache -R /tmp/zroot zroot -- this should create a zpool.cache file # cp zpool.cache /tmp/zroot/boot/zfs/ # zfs umount -a # shutdown -r Eject the install media, and the system should boot up from your root zpo= ol. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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From: Peter Wemm To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlEKbzV6x8YGWgc9sEI5QgNoVczyJma9R+uOLG/EWuojcOVQkx6GXxovTzRxt/COVmsJivk Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:29:16 -0000 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Chris H wrote: >> On 31 December 2012 15:40, Chris H wrote: >>> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >>> they? >> >> Ports and Source currently have CVS trees. >> Ports has an explicit EoL on February 28th (2 months from today) >> Source does not have an explicit EoL though it *is* considered deprecated. > > Thank you for providing this information, and my apologies, for not having > better researched it myself. I'll make an effort to provide a permanent CVS > repo for both src && ports. At the risk of a late reply stirring things up. doc and www were converted from cvs -> svn in May 2012. There was *never* a svn->cvs exporter for the doc/www trees - it was a clean break and switch over, and the cvs tree was closed. However, a stale orphaned copy of the doc/www files were in the cvsup network. If you were using those, you were using stale, out of date files. I've been rebuilding *.freebsd.org machines over the last 3-4 months and came across these stale files on a machine that was being decommissioned. When I was building the replacement I didn't include them. The cvs exporter was running on a machine that was broken into. The entire machine, code, exporters and cvs repository were considered tainted. As the exported src cvs tree has been deprecated for years, we should have just turned it off, Instead we salvaged and reviewed what we could, threw together a really quick and dirty exporter replacement and made it run for a little longer. It really is on its last legs. Note that there is no practical way to audit a cvs tree after an incident like that, especially a deprecated tree at that. cvs for /usr/src was deprecated in October 2008. The original plan for running the exporter for 2-3 months as a transition aide ran a little longer than planned. The branch support timeline is listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/security/ As things stand right now, this is the exporter's run schedule: * RELENG_6: Updates once a day, probably turning off on Feb 28th. * RELENG_7: Updates hourly, probably turning off on Feb 28th at EOL * RELENG_7_4: Updates hourly, probably turning off on Feb 28th at EOL * RELENG_8: Updates hourly * RELENG_8_3: Updates hourly * RELENG_9: Updates hourly * RELENG_9_0: Updates hourly * src-HEAD: Updates daily, probably turning off on Feb 28th. * ports-HEAD: Updates hourly, definitely turning off on Feb 28th. That's about what the limit of what the machine can handle. When folks go on a commit spree, the poor thing runs its disks white-hot for a few hours to catch up. No new branches will ever make it into cvs. eg: no RELENG_9_2. You'll have to get them from svn, just like getting updates to the older branches. Its also worth noting that all of the RELENG_9 series were released from the subversion tree - cvs was never involved. If there's an 8.4, it'll have to be built from svn as well. We have some significant problems with both ezm3 and cvsup itself (which is written in Modula-3). It basically is an inverse compatability binary.. The runtime code uses the oldest available versions of syscalls that it can, mostly the FreeBSD-4 versions. Emulation for some of the more exotic functionality - particularly signals - has become ... problematic .. lately. It has memory corruption problems. The cvsup/cvsupd servers break regularly when they corrupt their checkouts files and fetch the same data over and over and over again, crashing each time. And worse.. cvsup/cvsupd doesn't understand the version of cvs we have in the freebsd tree. *Every* *single* *commit* causes a checksum error and re-fetch. For the cvs/rcs ,v files, it degenerates into the old sup(1) mode - not even rsync. It is more efficient to transport the src cvs repository with rsync + rsyncd these days than cvsup/cvsupd. I'm sorry, but it is time to move on. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV bitcoin:188ZjyYLFJiEheQZw4UtU27e2FMLmuRBUE From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 20:06:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33B0C2 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.homeunix.org) Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA8D118 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (zidane.cc.vt.edu [198.82.163.227]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r02K4bXX030352; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:05:58 -0500 Received: from auth3.smtp.vt.edu (EHLO auth3.smtp.vt.edu) ([198.82.161.152]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id VSW97700; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu (pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu [128.173.51.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth3.smtp.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r02K5vDi030721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:05:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:05:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <330FFDAC-7162-4758-8CBA-343BD3644A27@gromit.homeunix.org> References: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 198.82.161.152 auth3.smtp.vt.edu paul@gromit.homeunix.org 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=zidane.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020206.50E49326.0170,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:06:30 -0000 On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Matthew Seaman = wrote: > On 02/01/2013 17:49, Paul Mather wrote: >> Yesterday, I updated my RELENG_8 ZFS-only system that has worked like = a champ for ages. After a successful install{kernel,world} and reboot, = I noticed the 20121130 entry in /usr/src/UPDATING and upgraded my ZFS = pool via "zfs upgrade -a". I also upgraded my boot blocks as requested, = and as per the "ZFS notes" section of /usr/src/UPDATING. >>=20 >> Unfortunately rebooting with the upgraded pool failed. The = "windmill" boot spinner spins for a tiny amount of time and then stops = dead. :-( I don't get to the boot loader menu at all. >>=20 >> I downloaded a very recent RELENG_8 snapshot = (FreeBSD-8.3-RELENG_8-r244923-JPSNAP-amd64-amd64-memstick.img) from = pub.allbsd.org and was able to boot successfully from USB using that. I = entered Fixit Mode and tried to write the boot blocks on the memstick = image onto my hard drives but the resultant system still wouldn't boot. = The commands I used (from Fixit Mode) are these: >>=20 >> gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad4 >> gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad6 >>=20 >> (ad4 and ad6 are my two hard drives.) >>=20 >> If I "load zfs" before booting the USB memstick then I can see my old = pool listed when I do "zfs import". I haven't tried importing the pool = because I'm not sure if that would make the problem worse. >>=20 >> Does anyone have any advice in restoring this system to bootability? = I followed the standard "root on ZFS" recipe using a two drive mirror = when installing the system initially. Each drive uses GPT with three = partitions: freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap, and freebsd-zfs in that order. = Like I said at the start, all this worked for a long time until just now = when I upgraded the pool to enable "feature flags" support. :-( >>=20 >> Any help is appreciated. >=20 > I think you may be running into problems with zpool.cache. This has > been fixed in current, which now has the ability to find the root = zpool > without a valid zpool.cache, but that I suspect is faint comfort for = you. >=20 > To recover from a toasted zpool.cache, you need to boot from alternate > media and then import your root zpool. It's easiest to do that to a > temporary directory. The important bit is to copy the zpool.cache = onto > your actual zroot device: >=20 > -- Boot from install media to 'Live CD' and log in as root (no = password) Given the above, does this need to be a -CURRENT Live CD? I've been = using the RELENG_8 snapshot memstick.img mentioned in my original = message above. >=20 > # kldload zfs -- should load opensolaris.ko = automatically > # cd /tmp -- this should be a writable MFS; you'll > need to arrange something similar if > not. > # zpool import -o cachefile=3D/tmp/zpool.cache -R /tmp/zroot zroot > -- this should create a zpool.cache file I tried this and it complained about the pool being in use by another = system---the original system that won't boot any more. I expected this, = and added "-f" to force an import. > # cp zpool.cache /tmp/zroot/boot/zfs/ This part also failed for me. My "zroot" fileset has a mountpoint = property set to "legacy". I had to mount this manually, via "mount -t = zfs zroot /tmp/zroot" to make the /tmp/zroot/boot/zfs directory = accessible. > # zfs umount -a > # shutdown -r >=20 > Eject the install media, and the system should boot up from your root = spool. Unfortunately, it didn't boot from the root pool. I get the same thing = happening: the "windmill" spins for a very short time and then stops = dead. I don't even make it to the "BTX Loader" output, let alone the = boot loader menu options. :-( Thank you for the suggestions. Cheers, Paul. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 2 23:30:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3066367A for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8E39F1 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r02NUgsb032399; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r02NUa88032396; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:30:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <718d7f7cb15cabfe2894a85f0c262aff.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <76a7aa4b1baf918bf02734d3336e2b7f.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Peter Wemm" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Eitan Adler , FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 23:30:49 -0000 Greetings Peter, and thank you _very_ much for the thoughtful, and very informative reply -- _greatly_ appreciated. > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Chris H wrote: >>> On 31 December 2012 15:40, Chris H wrote: >>>> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >>>> they? >>> >>> Ports and Source currently have CVS trees. >>> Ports has an explicit EoL on February 28th (2 months from today) >>> Source does not have an explicit EoL though it *is* considered deprecated. >> >> Thank you for providing this information, and my apologies, for not having >> better researched it myself. I'll make an effort to provide a permanent CVS >> repo for both src && ports. > > At the risk of a late reply stirring things up. > > doc and www were converted from cvs -> svn in May 2012. There was > *never* a svn->cvs exporter for the doc/www trees - it was a clean > break and switch over, and the cvs tree was closed. However, a stale > orphaned copy of the doc/www files were in the cvsup network. If you > were using those, you were using stale, out of date files. > > I've been rebuilding *.freebsd.org machines over the last 3-4 months > and came across these stale files on a machine that was being > decommissioned. When I was building the replacement I didn't include > them. > > The cvs exporter was running on a machine that was broken into. The > entire machine, code, exporters and cvs repository were considered > tainted. As the exported src cvs tree has been deprecated for years, > we should have just turned it off, Instead we salvaged and reviewed > what we could, threw together a really quick and dirty exporter > replacement and made it run for a little longer. It really is on its > last legs. Note that there is no practical way to audit a cvs tree > after an incident like that, especially a deprecated tree at that. > > cvs for /usr/src was deprecated in October 2008. The original plan > for running the exporter for 2-3 months as a transition aide ran a > little longer than planned. > > The branch support timeline is listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/security/ > > As things stand right now, this is the exporter's run schedule: > * RELENG_6: Updates once a day, probably turning off on Feb 28th. > * RELENG_7: Updates hourly, probably turning off on Feb 28th at EOL > * RELENG_7_4: Updates hourly, probably turning off on Feb 28th at EOL > * RELENG_8: Updates hourly > * RELENG_8_3: Updates hourly > * RELENG_9: Updates hourly > * RELENG_9_0: Updates hourly > * src-HEAD: Updates daily, probably turning off on Feb 28th. > * ports-HEAD: Updates hourly, definitely turning off on Feb 28th. > > That's about what the limit of what the machine can handle. When > folks go on a commit spree, the poor thing runs its disks white-hot > for a few hours to catch up. > > > No new branches will ever make it into cvs. eg: no RELENG_9_2. > You'll have to get them from svn, just like getting updates to the > older branches. > > Its also worth noting that all of the RELENG_9 series were released > from the subversion tree - cvs was never involved. If there's an 8.4, > it'll have to be built from svn as well. > > We have some significant problems with both ezm3 and cvsup itself > (which is written in Modula-3). It basically is an inverse > compatability binary.. The runtime code uses the oldest available > versions of syscalls that it can, mostly the FreeBSD-4 versions. > Emulation for some of the more exotic functionality - particularly > signals - has become ... problematic .. lately. It has memory > corruption problems. The cvsup/cvsupd servers break regularly when > they corrupt their checkouts files and fetch the same data over and > over and over again, crashing each time. > > And worse.. cvsup/cvsupd doesn't understand the version of cvs we have > in the freebsd tree. *Every* *single* *commit* causes a checksum > error and re-fetch. For the cvs/rcs ,v files, it degenerates into the > old sup(1) mode - not even rsync. > > It is more efficient to transport the src cvs repository with rsync + > rsyncd these days than cvsup/cvsupd. > > I'm sorry, but it is time to move on. Understood. --Chris > -- > Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV > bitcoin:188ZjyYLFJiEheQZw4UtU27e2FMLmuRBUE > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 00:48:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33AE4F8 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 00:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D280CCB for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 00:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id fs19so15071849vbb.30 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:48:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XHzYXlCca3CrJiaKQxcNe6HOF4vWyOZX9nyc2pezhe8=; b=okSDs2wNfI1UjIjOjCoCcqnSvePlg80jnQv4/Ik3o9oBG2Rtlpbat5Bdur+wEjmwFX qR15rTL2e+g2mq2IvVOaH+8JSHwkDJWdCnLu+RuYzJu2pBKLvdQKFGwhYT8mjVYqWE9C m1oy5x8r9fSzumczx3RnIMiP17J9C0Cy9TzYxBgWJJr9XSOKEdK5mbJ2Be2FMJDQW6SY rFYXbicREz9pCwISWHoePZ6wBeLgs83LDrHbhgLBTwMuol1du4QWMkpRj4mlnvsT+Y/m YNMJVbHFAIaI1cXvQHlJ2+ULNB7eZmYsdC6yS7hHXO6oq+tW5agbpQK59wqOvXfFdemR meKQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.239.14 with SMTP id ku14mr71488529vcb.57.1357174137426; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.219.4 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:48:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: grarpamp To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:48:58 -0000 > Note that there is no practical way to audit a cvs tree > after an incident like that Afaik, there's no way to natively audit an svn tree either. Only the hash based systems (ala: git-fsck, etc) can offer the needed degree of assurance. Otherwise you're left comparing copies which is a futile waste of time with all but the ancient plaintext systems. Or choosing copies to promote, which has its problems too. [good that cvs is leaving base so all the systems will be solely in ports, finally] From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 00:50:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAB17AA; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 00:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74682CEF; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 00:50:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=F6UwbHWTfFQKXgk7+1JWaQyWBExLgoY7DnUBcSNNBHs=; b=qPxC1SZRUReqUL7fmEYHWstOUZjY450fEaMP2JicHQ+T+MkKMmqx0sxSA/cGI4+Mzdg+uo5tJbEf0dpOpJLA5CGuCqkP2UrC+85fb/vpEgvnq3A76iqA7A0WaEqGaYco; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=25555 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TqZ16-004HtB-Uw; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:50:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:50:37 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Matthias Andree Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erich@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:50:42 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:02:11 +0100 Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 02.01.2013 06:31, schrieb Erich Dollansky: > > Hi, > > > >> Thank God! I'd hate to think that after unwinding years accumulated > >> CVS process, to rewind it for SVN, only to have to do it again for > >> GIT, just seems a bit masochistic. > > > > do not worry. It will come. > > > > Seriously, I do not understand many changes especially when there > > is a system in place which does not affect a running system at all > > but things inside the OS still could be improved. > > The migration was made in order to get "things inside the OS ... > improved" at all. Developers were fed up wasting too much time > struggling with CVS itself rather than working on "the things inside > the OS". I hightly doubt that the efforts spent now are worth this. It would have been so much easier and smoother to make the change with 10.0. A normal user does not expect any changes of this kind in a x.1 release. But it also makes one other problem obvious. The ports tree has no version numbers. So, even if the switch would have been made with the 10.0 release, it would have been the same problem for the ports tree. Even today, the handbook states only two sites for SVN and a long list for CVS. Wouldn't it have been a bit more practical to build the infrastructure first and then pull the plug? What will happen to the two SVN servers when no others come up soon? Is the user base so small that two servers are able to handle the traffic? 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[114.111.62.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5sm30680954pay.5.2013.01.02.22.19.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by pyunyh@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:19:17 +0900 From: YongHyeon PYUN Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:19:17 +0900 To: Daniel Braniss Subject: Re: stable 9.1, bge and ipmi not cooperating Message-ID: <20130103061917.GB1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:19:28 -0000 On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 08:33:41AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > Hi, > the last batch of changes to bge caused the ipmi to stop working on a > Sun Fire X2200 M2, and > bge0: mem > 0xfdff0000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci6 > bge0: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > miibus2: on bge0 > > bge1: mem > 0xfdfc0000-0xfdfcffff,0xfdfb0000-0xfdfbffff irq 18 at device 4.1 on pci6 > bge1: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > miibus3: on bge1 > Could you narrow down which revision broke IPMI? And what problems are you seeing? I don't have IPMI-capable controller to test. IPMI support for old controllers(pre-5717 controllers) was not complete and it was luck if it worked on a couple of controllers. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 06:54:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91EA19E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from kabab.cs.huji.ac.il (kabab.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686F011F for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by kabab.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1TqeY5-000OjF-I4; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:45:05 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: pyunyh@gmail.com Subject: Re: stable 9.1, bge and ipmi not cooperating In-reply-to: <20130103061917.GB1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> References: <20130103061917.GB1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> Comments: In-reply-to YongHyeon PYUN message dated "Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:19:17 +0900." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:45:05 +0200 From: Daniel Braniss Message-ID: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:54:48 -0000 > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 08:33:41AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > Hi, > > the last batch of changes to bge caused the ipmi to stop working on a > > Sun Fire X2200 M2, and > > bge0: mem > > 0xfdff0000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci6 > > bge0: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > miibus2: on bge0 > > > > bge1: mem > > 0xfdfc0000-0xfdfcffff,0xfdfb0000-0xfdfbffff irq 18 at device 4.1 on pci6 > > bge1: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > miibus3: on bge1 > > > > Could you narrow down which revision broke IPMI? > And what problems are you seeing? > I don't have IPMI-capable controller to test. IPMI support for > old controllers(pre-5717 controllers) was not complete and it was > luck if it worked on a couple of controllers. first approximation: kernels upto Oct 5th work OK. so it must be one of these: changeset: 16420:855e9b949c7a branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 04:39:41 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r242426: changeset: 16419:5fa365c1dcdb branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 04:34:05 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241983-241985: changeset: 16418:b69de3b6a9e8 branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 04:25:41 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241438: changeset: 16416:564dcb92a91e branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 04:10:27 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241436: changeset: 16414:a49ee7f76f76 branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 02:41:30 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241388-241393: changeset: 16413:0f885258cea4 branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 02:31:28 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241215-241216,241219-241220,241341,241343: changeset: 16308:27fd493a855c branch: 9 user: dim date: Mon Nov 12 07:34:05 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r242625: changeset: 16169:e292988ae112 branch: 9 user: gavin date: Wed Oct 24 19:04:17 2012 +0000 summary: Merge r240680 from head: btw, if you send me patches I can try them out cheers, danny PS: I'm sorry I caught this now, but these machines are production, and I didn't want to touch them :-( From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 07:31:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mandree.no-ip.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86227892; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mandree@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FD823CEAA; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:32:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:32:01 +0100 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:31:59 -0000 Am 03.01.2013 01:50, schrieb Erich Dollansky: > Hi, > > On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:02:11 +0100 > Matthias Andree <...@FreeBSD.org> wrote: Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide them properly. >> The migration was made in order to get "things inside the OS ... >> improved" at all. Developers were fed up wasting too much time >> struggling with CVS itself rather than working on "the things inside >> the OS". > > I hightly doubt that the efforts spent now are worth this. > > It would have been so much easier and smoother to make the change with > 10.0. Regarding versions, please read the relevant information: the relevant decision was made years ago, and the version number you slap at the switch is a moot point. A security incident pushed things forward in an unscheduled way, and prompted the project to expedite some infrastructure works that had been pending, because work was required to rebuild major parts of it anyways. > A normal user does not expect any changes of this kind in a x.1 release. A "normal user" does not care about what happens in between releases beyond security updates and other errata corrections, but uses freebsd-update to upgrade from one pre-compiled release to a newer, and I have also observed that people need to recompile custom kernels less often than with older FreeBSD releases. Anything else is talking about doing FreeBSD development. > But it also makes one other problem obvious. The ports tree has no > version numbers. So, even if the switch would have been made with the > 10.0 release, it would have been the same problem for the ports tree. That, too, was discussed, and dismissed due to lack of manpower to look after a versioned tree, on the relevant -ports list. This item crops up every so often, but stable@ is not the right list to discuss this on. For users, again, portsnap is the tool to use. Anything else is talking about doing FreeBSD development. > Even today, the handbook states only two sites for SVN and a long list > for CVS. Wouldn't it have been a bit more practical to build the > infrastructure first and then pull the plug? > What will happen to the two SVN servers when no others come up soon? A "long list [of sites] for CVS" is required to overcome load problems. I have not yet found SVN servers lacking in performance, whether I was checking out FreeBSD 9 sources, or the ports tree. Updates are much quicker IMO than they ever were with CVS, even with a local c[v]sup copy of the CVS sources on the same computer. You would not provision more servers unless there is a need to. I suppose more would be added should the need arise. And it is really recommended that users read the existing material on the list archives before re-iterating. (We should possibly just respond with a list of URLs :)) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 08:37:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E60615E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBBB68C for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id rl6so8505131pac.15 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=7OeWjS2mO0ytYoWMI9LmnloR/6hvV/YEojWcz7/VZ0k=; b=AFnA7PaYhQTu/71JYMvO4XaJ+lW98JhS1Ve8P8o8zfXhnv3dx5JPqzxkflkMpxbPU5 W/vKeVAvSAB8IfmFEnO3BBN+ENBw73vHcUl5fPk3p/8Qu2V/H0oTFQuG8mxssJl9D8Iu +gu2HOXxyeb1k9w7LLAesAvLmzkH82nXymkcIGu1aVZ3/MInULp22pbHxAb/J9O08IS5 UJA+zKwOKtjvgqm8IXDGLryCm1sled10rPCnZJ788yEV0qWPQwsd/0uXv+onzLjyBHZf OUpuWGYHrYcsCtbmsBXPaTy71um2MaaF8f0GgBknrgokn+n2T4IL7ScT93lwRgbhJkAj J5ZQ== X-Received: by 10.68.239.104 with SMTP id vr8mr152051121pbc.59.1357202224230; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pyunyh@gmail.com (lpe4.p59-icn.cdngp.net. [114.111.62.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pm8sm29967555pbb.29.2013.01.03.00.37.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by pyunyh@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:36:58 +0900 From: YongHyeon PYUN Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:36:58 +0900 To: Daniel Braniss Subject: Re: stable 9.1, bge and ipmi not cooperating Message-ID: <20130103083658.GC1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> References: <20130103061917.GB1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:37:10 -0000 On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 08:45:05AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 08:33:41AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > > Hi, > > > the last batch of changes to bge caused the ipmi to stop working on a > > > Sun Fire X2200 M2, and > > > bge0: mem > > > 0xfdff0000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci6 > > > bge0: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > > miibus2: on bge0 > > > > > > bge1: mem > > > 0xfdfc0000-0xfdfcffff,0xfdfb0000-0xfdfbffff irq 18 at device 4.1 on pci6 > > > bge1: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > > miibus3: on bge1 > > > > > > > Could you narrow down which revision broke IPMI? > > And what problems are you seeing? > > I don't have IPMI-capable controller to test. IPMI support for > > old controllers(pre-5717 controllers) was not complete and it was > > luck if it worked on a couple of controllers. > > first approximation: > kernels upto Oct 5th work OK. > > so it must be one of these: > > changeset: 16420:855e9b949c7a > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 04:39:41 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r242426: > > changeset: 16419:5fa365c1dcdb > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 04:34:05 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r241983-241985: > > changeset: 16418:b69de3b6a9e8 > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 04:25:41 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r241438: > > changeset: 16416:564dcb92a91e > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 04:10:27 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r241436: > > changeset: 16414:a49ee7f76f76 > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 02:41:30 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r241388-241393: > > changeset: 16413:0f885258cea4 > branch: 9 > user: yongari > date: Mon Nov 26 02:31:28 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r241215-241216,241219-241220,241341,241343: > > changeset: 16308:27fd493a855c > branch: 9 > user: dim > date: Mon Nov 12 07:34:05 2012 +0000 > summary: MFC r242625: > > changeset: 16169:e292988ae112 > branch: 9 > user: gavin > date: Wed Oct 24 19:04:17 2012 +0000 > summary: Merge r240680 from head: > > > btw, if you send me patches I can try them out > Sorry, I need more exact revision number. There had been too many changes. > cheers, > danny > PS: I'm sorry I caught this now, but these machines are production, and > I didn't want to touch them :-( > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 09:52:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB04979 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from kabab.cs.huji.ac.il (kabab.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DF5D1B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by kabab.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1TqhTD-0004Md-J3; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:52:15 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: pyunyh@gmail.com Subject: Re: stable 9.1, bge and ipmi not cooperating In-reply-to: <20130103083658.GC1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> References: <20130103061917.GB1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> <20130103083658.GC1434@michelle.cdnetworks.com> Comments: In-reply-to YongHyeon PYUN message dated "Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:36:58 +0900." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:52:10 +0200 From: Daniel Braniss Message-ID: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:52:19 -0000 > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 08:45:05AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 08:33:41AM +0200, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > the last batch of changes to bge caused the ipmi to stop working on a > > > > Sun Fire X2200 M2, and > > > > bge0: mem > > > > 0xfdff0000-0xfdffffff,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfeffff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci6 > > > > bge0: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > > > miibus2: on bge0 > > > > > > > > bge1: mem > > > > 0xfdfc0000-0xfdfcffff,0xfdfb0000-0xfdfbffff irq 18 at device 4.1 on pci6 > > > > bge1: CHIP ID 0x00009003; ASIC REV 0x09; CHIP REV 0x90; PCI-X 133 MHz > > > > miibus3: on bge1 > > > > > > > > > > Could you narrow down which revision broke IPMI? > > > And what problems are you seeing? > > > I don't have IPMI-capable controller to test. IPMI support for > > > old controllers(pre-5717 controllers) was not complete and it was > > > luck if it worked on a couple of controllers. > > > > first approximation: > > kernels upto Oct 5th work OK. > > > > so it must be one of these: > > > > changeset: 16420:855e9b949c7a > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 04:39:41 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r242426: > > > > changeset: 16419:5fa365c1dcdb > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 04:34:05 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r241983-241985: > > > > changeset: 16418:b69de3b6a9e8 > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 04:25:41 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r241438: > > > > changeset: 16416:564dcb92a91e > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 04:10:27 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r241436: > > > > changeset: 16414:a49ee7f76f76 > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 02:41:30 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r241388-241393: > > > > changeset: 16413:0f885258cea4 > > branch: 9 > > user: yongari > > date: Mon Nov 26 02:31:28 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r241215-241216,241219-241220,241341,241343: > > > > changeset: 16308:27fd493a855c > > branch: 9 > > user: dim > > date: Mon Nov 12 07:34:05 2012 +0000 > > summary: MFC r242625: > > > > changeset: 16169:e292988ae112 > > branch: 9 > > user: gavin > > date: Wed Oct 24 19:04:17 2012 +0000 > > summary: Merge r240680 from head: > > > > > > btw, if you send me patches I can try them out > > > > Sorry, I need more exact revision number. There had been too many > changes. it's changeset: 16418:b69de3b6a9e8 branch: 9 user: yongari date: Mon Nov 26 04:25:41 2012 +0000 summary: MFC r241438: if you need the diffs, http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~danny/ftp/freebsd/16418 thanks, danny From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 15:37:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC557D58 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732B5F26 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fq13so8108690lab.19 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:37:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Mwszguh4vY/dhz+Wo1cQrcGYwBitcJXNyvWr8ZDVkOM=; b=mAc200PbtJT3qJFvfRYWU9wYFeelQj1qwMWjQzr6yK0J10Q5UTn1PNWJ4ALabi9a7n 4vZw+RGqwsbF1txUObljI+stAsaheeIj+PVdzRWgTy4vsFBgBwjdM6rTRbkhKxCCK8u6 +iZqEWQUqkK8esoYISap2mSSBApv+TLRj69aI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Mwszguh4vY/dhz+Wo1cQrcGYwBitcJXNyvWr8ZDVkOM=; b=DkIrtxR2E5awe5W9edFA/xhXrzBo6cdZ77iupPvepNqTgwthVc561brrLK9yIFj11w mMuGObCO3s+UqvtbUAFdKX2QA4UltgJwOm8XmSWH99jHBF97E9v12qQuYMToU8AjJzrl 6KRJG2EYO3/c/lTKG6odOu3UZWT17lEGTpPsleV+tFJL9gHfpprJejCGSJX0NaWdXcoa avOrlmrkb7jWhNqTgNUhehbC3ivd8XnZddaexrF6oUV0ExHZ8qpIUpfQb1g4XQt4N7DD CtW28OWiBDrjlUk1mV0C/3wVlqYd866DfL+vg/9rhYfh8tqfBw8kOG3S+Hgy3csXEX3l C5pw== Received: by 10.112.102.5 with SMTP id fk5mr20362915lbb.31.1357227449854; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.75.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Matthias Andree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnmfjkm2ffI2IXjomDCSWzcikMBEx5Vtmc8Xp8r2DgJDoxGldpoMAkIf++cyceY7ZpuIXWl Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:37:32 -0000 On 3 January 2013 02:32, Matthias Andree wrote: > Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide > them properly. Hiding email addresses is useless for spam control. Obfuscating them makes it harder to follow a conversation. > Regarding versions, please read the relevant information: > the relevant decision was made years ago, and the version number you > slap at the switch is a moot point. CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users should not see the impact of the switch. In theory. > A "long list [of sites] for CVS" is required to overcome load problems. ... > Updates are much > quicker IMO than they ever were with CVS, even with a local c[v]sup copy > of the CVS sources on the same computer. There are latency issues with svn servers only in the US. There is work underway to obtain more mirrors outside the US. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 15:46:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mandree.no-ip.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137A4622; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mandree@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF34123CEAA; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:46:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E5A7D1.4080306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:46:25 +0100 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Eitan Adler X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:46:23 -0000 Am 03.01.2013 16:36, schrieb Eitan Adler: > On 3 January 2013 02:32, Matthias Andree wrote: >> Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide >> them properly. > > Hiding email addresses is useless for spam control. Obfuscating them > makes it harder to follow a conversation. Anyways it's useless baggage in the presence of real names. Threading is to happen along In-Reply-To: and References: headers - they were made exactly for that - and not after body content. I take care to reply to the message I am referring to so that those headers are intact. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 17:33:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355979F; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4026E2; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p1137-ipbf1505funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [118.7.212.137]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03HXFrL021065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:33:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03HXCxE091302; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:33:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:41:54 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130103.234154.1767370946763560009.hrs@allbsd.org> To: rmacklem@uoguelph.ca Subject: Re: NFS-exported ZFS instability From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Thu_Jan__3_23_41_54_2013_100)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:33:26 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT,SAMEHELOBY2HOP,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: kostikbel@gmail.com, alc@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:33:34 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Thu_Jan__3_23_41_54_2013_100)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Macklem wrote in <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca>: rm> Hiroki Sato wrote: rm> > Hello, rm> > rm> > I have been in a trouble about my NFS server for a long time. The rm> > symptom is that it stops working in one or two weeks after a boot. I rm> > could not track down the cause yet, but it is reproducible and only rm> > occurred under a very high I/O load. rm> > rm> > It did not panic, just stopped working---while it responded to ping, rm> > userland programs seemed not working. I could break it into DDB and rm> > get a kernel dump. The following URLs are a log of ps, trace, and rm> > etc.: rm> > rm> > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.log.20130102 rm> > http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/pool.dmesg.20130102 rm> > rm> > Does anyone see how to debug this? I guess this is due to a deadlock rm> > somewhere. I have suffered from this problem for almost two years. rm> > The above log is from stable/9 as of Dec 19, but this have persisted rm> > since 8.X. rm> > rm> Well, I took a quick glance at the log and there are a lot of processes rm> sleeping on "pfault" (in vm_waitpfault() in sys/vm/vm_page.c). I'm no rm> vm guy, so I'm not sure when/why that will happen. The comment on the rm> function suggests they are waiting for free pages. rm> rm> Maybe something as simple as running out of swap space or a problem rm> talking to the disk(s) that has the swap partition(s) or ??? rm> (I'm talking through my hat here, because I'm not conversant with rm> the vm side of things.) rm> rm> I might take a closer look this evening and see if I can spot anything rm> in the log, rick rm> ps: I hope Alan and Kostik don't mind being added to the cc list. Thank you. This machine has 24GB RAM + 30GB swap. 16GB of them are used for ZFS ARC, and I can see 1.5GB free space on average. However, frequent swapouts happen in a regular basis even when the I/O load is low. The amount used in the swap was 20-30MB only regardless of the load. I checked vm.stats and the outputs of vmstat -z/-m every 10 sec until the freeze several times but vm.stats.vm.v_free_count was around 300,000 (>1GB) even just before the freeze. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Thu_Jan__3_23_41_54_2013_100)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlDlmLIACgkQTyzT2CeTzy2G4wCaAhDe6efb7r9HYlfy6C4JVhua /DwAmwc9r0SogjzPCOUZZJAOGOsRVkzn =W9rQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Thu_Jan__3_23_41_54_2013_100)---- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 17:33:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F26A1; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB8E6E1; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p1137-ipbf1505funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [118.7.212.137]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03HXGYR021067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:33:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03HXCxG091302; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:33:16 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:32:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20130104.023244.472910818423317661.hrs@allbsd.org> To: kostikbel@gmail.com Subject: Re: NFS-exported ZFS instability From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20130102174044.GB82219@kib.kiev.ua> References: <20130102.105304.1817355190360003433.hrs@allbsd.org> <1914428061.1617223.1357133079421.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> <20130102174044.GB82219@kib.kiev.ua> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Fri_Jan__4_02_32_44_2013_592)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:33:26 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT,SAMEHELOBY2HOP,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: alc@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, rmacklem@uoguelph.ca X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:33:34 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jan__4_02_32_44_2013_592)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Konstantin Belousov wrote in <20130102174044.GB82219@kib.kiev.ua>: ko> > I might take a closer look this evening and see if I can spot anything ko> > in the log, rick ko> > ps: I hope Alan and Kostik don't mind being added to the cc list. ko> ko> What I see in the log is that the lock cascade rooted in the thread ko> 100838, which owns system map mutex. I believe this prevents malloc(9) ko> from making a progress in other threads, which e.g. own the ZFS vnode ko> locks. As the result, the whole system wedged. ko> ko> Looking back at the thread 100838, we can see that it executes ko> smp_tlb_shootdown(). It is impossible to tell from the static dump, ko> is the appearance of the smp_tlb_shootdown() in the backtrace is ko> transient, or the thread is spinning there, waiting for other CPUs to ko> acknowledge the request. But, since the system wedged, most likely, ko> smp_tlb_shootdown spins. ko> ko> Taking this hypothesis, the situation can occur, most likely, due to ko> some other core running with the interrupts disabled. Inspection of the ko> backtraces of the processes running on all cores does not show any which ko> could legitimately own a spinlock or otherwise run with the interrupts ko> disabled. ko> ko> One thing you could try to do is to enable WITNESS for the spinlocks, ko> to try to catch the leaked spinlock. I very much doubt that this is ko> the case. ko> ko> Another thing to try is to switch the CPU idle method to something ko> else. Look at the machdep.idle* sysctls. It could be some CPU errata ko> which blocks wakeup due the interrupt in some conditions in C1 ? Thank you. It can take 1-2 weeks to reproduce this, so I set debug.witness.skipspin=0 and keeping machdep.idle acpi abd will see how it goes for a while. I will report again if I can get another freeze. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jan__4_02_32_44_2013_592)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlDlwLwACgkQTyzT2CeTzy0vgQCg0rRPQAS6lnmZjyeN66WO6+Uf vTIAn34gFwijO6lsvAwKDxRkpI+zNZSZ =bGWz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Jan__4_02_32_44_2013_592)---- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 18:09:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BE727D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from kagate.punkt.de (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7044A8E9 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de ([217.29.45.10]) by gate2.intern.punkt.de with ESMTP id r03Hm34J040688; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.29.46.10] ([217.29.46.10]) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r03Hm222011250; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:01 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> To: Eitan Adler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:18 -0000 Hello, Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users should not see > the impact of the switch. In theory. What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel as their method of keeping the system current? I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? Thanks, Patrick --=20 punkt.de GmbH * Kaiserallee 13a * 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. 0721 9109 0 * Fax 0721 9109 100 info@punkt.de http://www.punkt.de Gf: J=FCrgen Egeling AG Mannheim 108285 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 18:21:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E78C7C1 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87CC99E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03ILGSZ042351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:21:17 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r03ILGSZ042351 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1357237277; bh=/ssTRlNKHy5xUlRwii9uKu/D2rSXj4Kfm8tjem+Vv7Y=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2003=20Jan=202013=2018:21:16=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-stable @freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Does=20/=20Is=20anyone=20maintaining =20CVS=20for=20FreeBSD?|References:=20<50E1D012.1040004@missouri.e du>=20<20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us>=20<6817fb4c15659b194cc 658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net>=20=20=20<148920333. 20121231235441@takeda.tk>=20=20<50E3444D.1060307@mu.org>=20=20 <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net>=2 0<20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com>=20<50E45A03.9080600@Fr eeBSD.org>=20<20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com>=20<50E533F 1.5020006@FreeBSD.org>=20=20<818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5 659@punkt.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659 @punkt.de>; b=b65XLTayX/03RgUrjEEr6aHv09B7+9ppmIvV/rxhtJuBnqH/hPMS2Al0gjXu3ejcP Ugq3AgnMHzcxtPJP8TMnBt/oThuCdqP2fwzMSe7AaUhVVzE5YrVaU10Z9qYqb8i0ZN 88VRwQE9CLMLg+0/TwEZmLJV7rh6ZfL+1a67s/Js= Message-ID: <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:21:16 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? 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Hausen wrote: > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs source= > updates. Are there more lightweight ways? freebsd-update(8) which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence of any configuration to use other mechanisms. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - data.snhdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dilkie.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: data.snhdns.com: authenticated_id: lee@dilkie.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:36:31 -0000 On 1/3/2013 1:21 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs source >> updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > freebsd-update(8) > > which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence of > any configuration to use other mechanisms. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > but that fetches binaries, not sources. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 19:37:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A484EA for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36F1DEB for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so8577591lab.1 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:37:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=lFT2ZA0FmfX8npVjoXZdfh+hLEOFrlOeknyCwfWEt3E=; b=d2fyYSaEecdCBKlsYEHKHYhVeMWBcE5h33tZ/lqKG/y12Ivw/7a4J3QBsSeWGUdrRm Aqf2g+sJyABNysR+tn9fnAR5kdUZBf5vJe+xplSPZPNSmoIFAr9UYBPHAs6cmsdB+X7f /O/qA4udMEBu8OqVj6dSduI6jY76iSLJfoT4o= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=lFT2ZA0FmfX8npVjoXZdfh+hLEOFrlOeknyCwfWEt3E=; b=pfUtM//4THtqwXbo8ANbZnFPjEcN4vh3RMahK8bAQZi16oM1kP/anksh0K3wZ9+1AW u7Gtck9PdJDf9/xqr/4mq5Amy2nzxCdbOWs9K8zwMuatW5K23GqiuTtHhE75oNe9mfUV uY89PMpGUNwg9xsIcWMNkTVY1JlwQYPynv96L1IhN4FLgV+gZbrBppw93DTBq1u0Q5Jv fOMck9LqGV4aRb+aSgVlYwM3nAM0RdacxfHWxdAgjPCpHE+6BhttH1BJc/n2hYWAhyfq jiBzYSOLXq6/XdWsQBgMKg/gsUjus4a7iM5sxEYS8syrlWGYbjpFm41R2UDL5tMDpsjY uLmA== Received: by 10.112.41.202 with SMTP id h10mr20334269lbl.20.1357241869141; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:37:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.75.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Lee Dilkie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmdh+F3sd7CtbjEivDVp3a8ptpYKvlry+kKkvGHz0v7eyT2p1/oVHyGiKntIrFoRbD36DzQ Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:37:51 -0000 On 3 January 2013 13:57, Lee Dilkie wrote: > but that fetches binaries, not sources. It does both. It can be configured to update just one or the other as well. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 19:57:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80F7C33 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E053F07 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:792d:baf8:7614:8f34]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9561D4AC2D; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 23:56:58 +0400 (MSK) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 23:56:54 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Matthew Seaman Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:57:01 -0000 Hello, Matthew. You wrote 3 =FF=ED=E2=E0=F0=FF 2013 =E3., 22:21:16: >> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs source >> updates. Are there more lightweight ways? MS> freebsd-update(8) It says (on 9-STABLE): The freebsd-update tool is used to fetch, install, and rollback binary updates to the FreeBSD base system. Note that updates are only availa= ble if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Tea= m, e.g., FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE and FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE, but not FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE or FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT. So, as far as I understand, it could not be used to track -STABLE branch, as it was possible with csup. Nothing is say about possibility to update "src" on stable branch with it. Is it possible and man page needs to be updated? --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 20:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA56596B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05ED1E6 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TqrXi-0004dg-0Q for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:37:34 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:37:34 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:37:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:37:29 -0000 On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:57:46 -0500, Lee Dilkie wrote: > On 1/3/2013 1:21 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >>> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs >>> source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? >> >> freebsd-update(8) >> >> which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence of >> any configuration to use other mechanisms. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> > but that fetches binaries, not sources. > By default it does both. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 20:38:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597E5AB8 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37971F8 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03KbiTk044554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:37:44 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r03KbiTk044554 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1357245464; bh=K8B6It6pwmTWinjS8YX+nr1d7ilXyEz1RBudWEu+Vjg=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2003=20Jan=202013=2020:37:35=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20Lee=20Dilkie=2 0|CC:=20freebsd-stable@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:= 20Does=20/=20Is=20anyone=20maintaining=20CVS=20for=20FreeBSD?|Refe rences:=20<50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu>=20<20121231175808.GA1399 @glenbarber.us>=20<6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ ultimatedns.net>=20=20=20<148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk>=20 =20<50E3444D.1060307@mu.org>=20=20<6794891ed487f426d2c5d010864 8f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net>=20<20130102123148.1f493d00@X2 20.ovitrap.com>=20<50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org>=20<20130103075037 .130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com>=20<50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org>=20=20<818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de>=20<50E5CC1C.70 70803@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com>|In-R eply-To:=20<50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com>; b=iXFaoY+7V4ZW8JmW0s+TrsDsOW/JQi+F9uC+AmQSytZByWz3NNMJQM+qkRbYOc5SA 6pVgiJzuGl+h9u46Px9Ha0t5naaJLcBsqMWRSILm2/RZxVT/O2zHKYWfjhZM+o2RMG FYoK7brnPADP5PNBKrmJp6PGpJMVdkzDFDlAg3No= Message-ID: <50E5EC0F.2010408@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:37:35 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Dilkie Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com> In-Reply-To: <50E5D4AA.8010203@dilkie.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCE85C50640602BAA8ACA1B01" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:38:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCE85C50640602BAA8ACA1B01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/2013 18:57, Lee Dilkie wrote: >=20 > On 1/3/2013 1:21 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >>> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs sour= ce >>> updates. Are there more lightweight ways? >> >> freebsd-update(8) >> >> which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence of >> any configuration to use other mechanisms. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> > but that fetches binaries, not sources. >=20 No, it can fetch source. Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk --------------enigCE85C50640602BAA8ACA1B01 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDl7BcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzs0QCdGLgEIclOg0lYNNDa9mgxjJXp w04An3cfybxb486na6umwSHK5pZwu9HS =kqJr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCE85C50640602BAA8ACA1B01-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 20:39:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4584FC02; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6266224; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03KdXOm044627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:39:33 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r03KdXOm044627 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1357245573; bh=VXlQa37jB+MHYhIqRHDjTYlyIJrG1i20IIhq8jSGRlM=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2003=20Jan=202013=2020:39:33=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20lev@FreeBSD.or g|CC:=20freebsd-stable@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Does=20/=20Is= 20anyone=20maintaining=20CVS=20for=20FreeBSD?|References:=20<50E1D 012.1040004@missouri.edu>=20<20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us>= 20<6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> =20=20=20<148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk>=20=20<50E3444D.1 060307@mu.org>=20=20<6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authentica ted@ultimatedns.net>=20<20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com>= 20<50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org>=20<20130103075037.130afa18@X220.o vitrap.com>=20<50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org>=20=20<818DF1F6-9C 5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de>=20<50E5CC1C.7070803@infracanin ophile.co.uk>=20<706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru>|In-R eply-To:=20<706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru>; b=yOf6HvjDOS5zNTIPvsaXS3Z9lKs5dr54MAlgQh39eLKH6UMRBJSwk19Xs23nuAVId cvER29/v5We67cVqqjYMQvBEv/jqtqozd55BTpVUWmuPGGHdQ5efbDxILyVIV0AwOu N1iKHbYQh9VI1GuKM/QUr9oQThGnMUTm7FtLttqo= Message-ID: <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:39:33 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig03986F75B8A657D500CD6FCB" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:39:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig03986F75B8A657D500CD6FCB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/2013 19:56, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Matthew. > You wrote 3 =FF=ED=E2=E0=F0=FF 2013 =E3., 22:21:16: >=20 >>> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs sour= ce >>> updates. Are there more lightweight ways? >=20 > MS> freebsd-update(8) > It says (on 9-STABLE): >=20 > The freebsd-update tool is used to fetch, install, and rollback bi= nary > updates to the FreeBSD base system. Note that updates are only av= ailable > if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture b= eing > used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates= for > releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering= Team, > e.g., FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE and FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE, but not FreeBSD= > 6.3-STABLE or FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT. >=20 > So, as far as I understand, it could not be used to track -STABLE > branch, as it was possible with csup. Nothing is say about possibility > to update "src" on stable branch with it. Is it possible and man page > needs to be updated? >=20 Ah. Yes, you are right. You can't track a stable branch with freebsd-update. In that case, svn is the way to go. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk --------------enig03986F75B8A657D500CD6FCB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDl7IUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzcIwCfXdKa+vTgo0n1A2sDJydmk3+s JjUAn0sZReCfJJssqquGzYZg4YGij0hm =fMRf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig03986F75B8A657D500CD6FCB-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:04:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5891CC2B for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D84681 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:792d:baf8:7614:8f34]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 420F84AC2D; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:04:28 +0400 (MSK) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:04:24 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Matthew Seaman Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:04:30 -0000 Hello, Matthew. You wrote 4 =FF=ED=E2=E0=F0=FF 2013 =E3., 0:39:33: MS> Ah. Yes, you are right. You can't track a stable branch with MS> freebsd-update. In that case, svn is the way to go. And even as developer I don't like this situation. My developer systems have and could use svn for sure, but servers? csup was very handy for non-developers machines. --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:13:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DED5E37 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFC671E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fq13so8710828lab.33 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YUzy9q90pXXT+suaMFz3o33v9RcUJkXAuum9LJPMSv0=; b=UpZ+9icCaeIxl5/WwRTfVu0rbqbgPToavKQCi+3K05doqwUVfrKfE62v1xFMyZvraH K5ibatoHwagVfLaPj/QIzN0a6HTlKVsNokYgbppMXAZI1hwNmFRvXXhOwoDzAiJOeDNz Uk5Pw8hAqlIAVdqou2twGTwK7SaULZR+g1MZo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=YUzy9q90pXXT+suaMFz3o33v9RcUJkXAuum9LJPMSv0=; b=AKHMfi8C531H5AnAbent6kN5WEVyIKGg1GXU24WA2dvnXFszOpJ3ur/xcNqjcYAbfh rQH1OSmQPdhBSC8xR6X8WanjeoFKHCeorrdTjzLNcYxA5fMcmKRkoPMq5tMyn/fLyVjC tC5OmZCUzSRLceIMGKh34RVNPjYNHZW7AYwqCo3HTCqCm+zLp0/WMkh5I1w5n7pngdX8 ho3xpwooBdDDXh2zpmGV/sK3ejU+0251CNMwlHYi3KTS9eNDkzaVlA3bfwd492Pw0M+/ 0L4O/C+kuEjyecw/h93DDN2D+RSGcxzfmAVXAPf4ByjgKY21WmymmxA9kTqo31dxOj11 lVjw== Received: by 10.112.102.5 with SMTP id fk5mr20713701lbb.31.1357247582365; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:13:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.75.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: lev@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlSDc9kpzNicfwBke+ZuS/d8mkor4ihF13uwf1MXq7wQZqsDb+Lfmp4/gsfstqhu7XYE3Ft Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:13:04 -0000 On 3 January 2013 16:04, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Matthew. > You wrote 4 =D1=8F=D0=BD=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=8F 2013 =D0=B3., 0:39:33: > > MS> Ah. Yes, you are right. You can't track a stable branch with > MS> freebsd-update. In that case, svn is the way to go. > And even as developer I don't like this situation. My developer > systems have and could use svn for sure, but servers? csup was very > handy for non-developers machines. I think everyone agrees there is room for a svnup like program which has a read-only svn mode to download and update sources with minimal (zero?) dependencies. That said, someone has to write it. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:19:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF6EFDC for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.homeunix.org) Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E556765 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dagger.cc.vt.edu (dagger.cc.vt.edu [198.82.163.114]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r03LIB5d024496; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:18:36 -0500 Received: from auth3.smtp.vt.edu (EHLO auth3.smtp.vt.edu) ([198.82.161.152]) by dagger.cc.vt.edu (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id YBN79605; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu (pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu [128.173.51.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth3.smtp.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r03LIZCG018766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:18:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Solved?: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:18:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 198.82.161.152 auth3.smtp.vt.edu paul@gromit.homeunix.org 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=dagger.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020207.50E5F5AC.013D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:19:15 -0000 On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Matthew Seaman = wrote: > On 02/01/2013 17:49, Paul Mather wrote: >> Yesterday, I updated my RELENG_8 ZFS-only system that has worked like = a champ for ages. After a successful install{kernel,world} and reboot, = I noticed the 20121130 entry in /usr/src/UPDATING and upgraded my ZFS = pool via "zfs upgrade -a". I also upgraded my boot blocks as requested, = and as per the "ZFS notes" section of /usr/src/UPDATING. >>=20 >> Unfortunately rebooting with the upgraded pool failed. The = "windmill" boot spinner spins for a tiny amount of time and then stops = dead. :-( I don't get to the boot loader menu at all. >>=20 >> I downloaded a very recent RELENG_8 snapshot = (FreeBSD-8.3-RELENG_8-r244923-JPSNAP-amd64-amd64-memstick.img) from = pub.allbsd.org and was able to boot successfully from USB using that. I = entered Fixit Mode and tried to write the boot blocks on the memstick = image onto my hard drives but the resultant system still wouldn't boot. = The commands I used (from Fixit Mode) are these: >>=20 >> gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad4 >> gpart bootcode -b /dist/boot/pmbr -p /dist/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 = ad6 >>=20 >> (ad4 and ad6 are my two hard drives.) >>=20 >> If I "load zfs" before booting the USB memstick then I can see my old = pool listed when I do "zfs import". I haven't tried importing the pool = because I'm not sure if that would make the problem worse. >>=20 >> Does anyone have any advice in restoring this system to bootability? = I followed the standard "root on ZFS" recipe using a two drive mirror = when installing the system initially. Each drive uses GPT with three = partitions: freebsd-boot, freebsd-swap, and freebsd-zfs in that order. = Like I said at the start, all this worked for a long time until just now = when I upgraded the pool to enable "feature flags" support. :-( >>=20 >> Any help is appreciated. >=20 > I think you may be running into problems with zpool.cache. This has > been fixed in current, which now has the ability to find the root = zpool > without a valid zpool.cache, but that I suspect is faint comfort for = you. It turns out it was my /boot.config that was preventing booting. The = system is usually always headless, so I have "-S115200 -Dh" as the sole = line in /boot.config to enable a 115200 baud serial console. This has = been working fine for me up until I did a {build,install} {kernel,world} = on 1st January 2013. I was pretty sure my woes began after I did the = "zpool upgrade -a" and subsequently rebooted again, but now I can't be = sure whether I successfully rebooted at all after the "make = installworld" and mergemaster step. Does anyone know a sure-fire way of getting a dual console setup = (high-speed serial + VGA). The recipe I had been using had worked well = for a long time. I had "-S115200 -Dh" in /boot.config and the following = entries in /boot/loader.conf: boot_multicons=3D"YES" comconsole_speed=3D"115200" console=3D"comconsole,vidconsole" Now, though, if I have "-S115200 -Dh" then the system locks up at boot. = Removing /boot.config gets me dual console, but only at 9600 baud. :-( Cheers, Paul. PS: Is the BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED entry in /etc/make.conf needed? I was = under the impression it has been obsolete for a while and took it out of = my /etc/make.conf file. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:19:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48518146; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onyx.glenbarber.us (onyx.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:c200::face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE1D769; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glenbarber.us (kaos.glenbarber.us [71.224.221.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by onyx.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F4C823F763; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:19:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.1 onyx.glenbarber.us 9F4C823F763 Authentication-Results: onyx.glenbarber.us; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:19:26 -0500 From: Glen Barber To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130103211926.GE1285@glenbarber.us> References: <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: lev@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:19:35 -0000 --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 04:12:32PM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: > I think everyone agrees there is room for a svnup like program which > has a read-only svn mode to download and update sources with minimal > (zero?) dependencies. >=20 > That said, someone has to write it. >=20 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/user/des/svnsup/ Glen --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQ5fXeAAoJEFJPDDeguUaj6SMH/17jRDgRdazlqdV9w/dtPmAF ARDF5EhiHj/WiyIcivHpXXJUu71LiWvz8M7pmgdEEQMwVBieNTXPMAKGLRP6Vubv dQUiQsARd0FJR9JpmI6MmjToYfOHTbMhLF2NjCL2JvxudBEjsmC4HWnNBhIlzwF7 4kze3hzbg0ifppTmgw3esNj0kmzOiy2TTWOWa8iIUjaIMISfRqotnB0Tmd++2woy 7eiQDANTCvJ3IJLiLGe/7MCl6BeNUX/9cekjmaS+XPXrJ6P7qz39+oSATI5G162r CSqDC+s7agVxP9zt7jp2D5KlUJ8/yJ9S9QqIfzmSMY4hbVWHYT1Fwl+RFJhxueg= =10L3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MIdTMoZhcV1D07fI-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:24:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00892375 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6EE7BE for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ep20so8554335lab.4 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:24:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=cGZR8r4356r0YSuP96O4vKfC5mwDZPlJn0EbsoiUML8=; b=hHbNEqkSugKEBgnhIWywt9/gPRoH7K1ophBcvxFWkjqPQJD7UhW5u+I1fO8kR1jPXL mwC3QkTzNajmZkLcBWCF93EqjJOvxYrsnUdEpbSPBK91EKCQByfswtdrH9HxPiFao+uP laktYnDfWnuu5mBkYiDAaQuiVNxE0S5wG8G1s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=cGZR8r4356r0YSuP96O4vKfC5mwDZPlJn0EbsoiUML8=; b=KaotZGavyZLyhXPbsMtuOXoK/pVSg0eHJdlQCF9i0jLAwce05kVUH2W74e1fulcyiI 7EoLMKOZ0hpMZaMU4E3ikG34ey9KxvioS1Qe1UXIdgAzeLMqJJ3e0qgXqXl7eKhG9qgg E0mi4SgxjLXBf33x+Y22HM22OjCYTxawbxvYxazSJz2ECqOyM0PztVo1Y1yu2bzom9d3 DLdFADGVqSDUXiaNlFTdMD7E1ypCqOejEVcM0nQIzs/sdBsXYXNcdKSSIajBTC8QHb7m kJB7ew5FIjc8tBrdxEjJ6tEJ36/yy7iKv0mSWYV0nHakwBgeIXbNWOe9qCjhPBaSDUlI vFXA== Received: by 10.152.148.129 with SMTP id ts1mr48236273lab.19.1357248282044; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:24:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.75.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130103211926.GE1285@glenbarber.us> References: <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> <20130103211926.GE1285@glenbarber.us> From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:24:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnvKCyS6NYO0FILHgrsU1ncYfiEyRIpcuVes+IEzO84JzpAeK4Im8hLLh0G8zupBkcWvqXM Cc: lev@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:24:44 -0000 On 3 January 2013 16:19, Glen Barber wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 04:12:32PM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: >> I think everyone agrees there is room for a svnup like program which >> has a read-only svn mode to download and update sources with minimal >> (zero?) dependencies. >> >> That said, someone has to write it. >> > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/user/des/svnsup/ Yes. I was talking about this. $someone needs to step up and complete it. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:50:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85971C69 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CB8E5 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 16so18570531iea.40 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DQkQKAB8dla4sO/JlbE6u+P3AFTf8xdbrs6bUo9ukB4=; b=KVDhCLHzRq+iXGrgGs+VX7MOteAZlT5Wp6BqLLfBOQoghKSvx2FrKQRGXpaAQTsbz2 GUjGv+ZAa8ILqmNJaxtuxBOtlPQctOzGWV0X7fZ+T/sNfazvsouEqKtfIlbA4rj2h7Ob eR+JX+4+gKbYyWG6jmANGvJ7atVJSxLbTaQ1ai8gIxXzknPP/FpcVL2t66R8Ab3l2ucc naLq5B+n+Cyp4dO3fYqXtbC1/7gJMGj8IRndrBU4Oc3efrP+S2YoGbH82ZAr6a+CwKFc 26womhg2oD0V9p/aBehLd1sKc0qOtbbx2YRDHZ2k2UaGetlIoCCgQuici1TrZmE2UH/J w/bA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.201 with SMTP id qo9mr38633186igc.111.1357249846417; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.88.137 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "b.f." To: "Patrick M. Hausen" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bf1783@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:50:47 -0000 >Hello, > >Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : >> CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users should not see >> the impact of the switch. In theory. > > >What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did > > cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel > >as their method of keeping the system current? > >I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs source >updates. Are there more lightweight ways? subversion isn't so bad, especially if you build a stripped-down version -- many of the optional dependencies aren't needed for a basic client, which is a fraction of the size of the source code. Just get rid of the extras, and use a stripped-down version of sqlite3 only. And of course you could install it on one of your machines, and then distribute the source code among the rest by other means. But there are alternatives, and several are documented in the FreeBSD Handbook(does anyone read it?): --you could use ports/net/rsync or an rsync clone, which may be smaller (See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors-rsync.html ); or --you could use ctm(1) to get the repository via email, or use fetch(1) or another small ftp/http client to grab the ctm deltas directly from the server at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/ , or from one of the mirrors (See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ctm.html ). Regards, b. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 21:53:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39654DBB; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:53:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D1090F; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r03LrO8k045902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:53:24 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r03LrO8k045902 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1357250005; bh=I8zCXor05WgN9PbjBcpcfaPg1HJj08rIXfcozF7IvW8=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2003=20Jan=202013=2021:53:17=20+0000|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20lev@FreeBSD.or g|CC:=20freebsd-stable@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Does=20/=20Is= 20anyone=20maintaining=20CVS=20for=20FreeBSD?|References:=20<50E1D 012.1040004@missouri.edu>=20<20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us>= 20<6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> =20=20=20<148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk>=20=20<50E3444D.1 060307@mu.org>=20=20<6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authentica ted@ultimatedns.net>=20<20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com>= 20<50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org>=20<20130103075037.130afa18@X220.o vitrap.com>=20<50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org>=20=20<818DF1F6-9C 5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de>=20<50E5CC1C.7070803@infracanin ophile.co.uk>=20<706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru>=20<5 0E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20<55681605.20130104010424 @serebryakov.spb.ru>|In-Reply-To:=20<55681605.20130104010424@sereb ryakov.spb.ru>; b=qxUPz/LbkKsJssOxcbAhVox/8AOQYvy6pgi5kpCd1xrQ5V9ne1uPc42TrDhXfB6nZ 8YCh4xZrdIzB8xGmKBlFi9F4p87lD6omphZiXbXBcyUIBzoEptjVTbMpTzbkLYmiX+ 55ibZGyT4dpbgj7SpEBK2f/J9IlNAO7ZVh9GL07Q= Message-ID: <50E5FDCD.6080309@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:53:17 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <706012647.20130103235654@serebryakov.spb.ru> <50E5EC85.3010006@infracaninophile.co.uk> <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <55681605.20130104010424@serebryakov.spb.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig257712F9AA3A85AB63E237F8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:53:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig257712F9AA3A85AB63E237F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/01/2013 21:04, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Matthew. > You wrote 4 =FF=ED=E2=E0=F0=FF 2013 =E3., 0:39:33: >=20 > MS> Ah. Yes, you are right. You can't track a stable branch with > MS> freebsd-update. In that case, svn is the way to go. > And even as developer I don't like this situation. My developer > systems have and could use svn for sure, but servers? csup was very > handy for non-developers machines. Well, I think the answer there will be svnsup: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/user/des/svnsup/ Unfortunately it doesn't work properly yet. Needs some attention from properly motivated and capable programmers. Given the rather gaping hole in the FreeBSD offerring it would fill, I wonder if this is something the Foundation would be interested in sponsoring? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:46:25 BST." <50E5A7D1.4080306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:15:46 +1100 Message-Id: <20130103221546.F094B2D94395@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mx.ams1.isc.org Cc: Eitan Adler , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:16:02 -0000 In message <50E5A7D1.4080306@FreeBSD.org>, Matthias Andree writes: > Am 03.01.2013 16:36, schrieb Eitan Adler: > > On 3 January 2013 02:32, Matthias Andree wrote: > >> Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide > >> them properly. > > > > Hiding email addresses is useless for spam control. Obfuscating them > > makes it harder to follow a conversation. > > Anyways it's useless baggage in the presence of real names. Garbage. Real names are *not* unique. Email address are disambiguators. > Threading is to happen along In-Reply-To: and References: headers - they > were made exactly for that - and not after body content. > I take care to reply to the message I am referring to so that those > headers are intact. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 3 22:21:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mandree.no-ip.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2527985; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mandree@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3EA23CEAA; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 23:21:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50E60473.20306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:21:39 +0100 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <50E5A7D1.4080306@FreeBSD.org> <20130103221546.F094B2D94395@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <20130103221546.F094B2D94395@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Andree List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:21:40 -0000 Am 03.01.2013 23:15, schrieb Mark Andrews: > In message <50E5A7D1.4080306@FreeBSD.org>, Matthias Andree writes: >> Am 03.01.2013 16:36, schrieb Eitan Adler: >>> On 3 January 2013 02:32, Matthias Andree wrote: >>>> Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide >>>> them properly. >>> >>> Hiding email addresses is useless for spam control. Obfuscating them >>> makes it harder to follow a conversation. >> >> Anyways it's useless baggage in the presence of real names. > > Garbage. Real names are *not* unique. Email address are disambiguators. No need to disambiguate text if the headers convey all necessary information. Let's take this part off-list now, reply-to: is set. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 01:20:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50629331; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163BC194; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:20:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=KNdcrPW6ZHxWSdGg4vL3/cnuuauXmsSNrmw0F5HII3M=; b=VbI0YBUvjES+SOE7xN/5Q6x5Wb15JCfY3DJuVditqhcez9Os0HBHPzLUZDgDfFaQp8I3Mkzlx1+3p1eAJjqakjMgaGUhdI0KyrQ7bz8sEdhaXaAGkhoK4RF0+7M4g82T; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=46698 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqvxf-0007bp-GK; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:20:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:20:34 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130104082034.041abecc@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Matthias Andree X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:20:47 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:36:59 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: > On 3 January 2013 02:32, Matthias Andree wrote: > > Please do not quote addresses. Not all web archives and copies hide > > them properly. > > Hiding email addresses is useless for spam control. Obfuscating them > makes it harder to follow a conversation. > there is nothing more to say. > > Regarding versions, please read the relevant information: > > the relevant decision was made years ago, and the version number you > > slap at the switch is a moot point. > > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users should not see > the impact of the switch. In theory. > Yes, in theory. > > A "long list [of sites] for CVS" is required to overcome load > > problems. > ... > > Updates are much > > quicker IMO than they ever were with CVS, even with a local c[v]sup > > copy of the CVS sources on the same computer. > > There are latency issues with svn servers only in the US. There is > work underway to obtain more mirrors outside the US. > So, why not wait until some more mirrors are available? One other problem people in 'developed' nations do not see exists. If - like me - you are located on a very remote location with a more or less random Internet connection, many servers become very impatient with the user and cut the connection as their values for time outs are simply too low. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 01:26:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB07483 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811D1BE for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:26:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=4HVFqdzQF/saTSV4XZHFvw9gBDkHNNiLqw7qbpjkv+k=; b=Afqg2DjkLlf1ej8fewphdluJCAnaAuLHsf9h6q1bYiR+xy/2POJaupAAP9DuvnByR7TuWYXEWz/xH2yHsMGLtXFXlSmOMA4z8ocmz0Qw4hQ7cjZT7QYY9B12mvOKXJnG; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=62326 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqw3J-0008IR-10; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:26:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:26:26 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: "Patrick M. Hausen" Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Eitan Adler , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:26:31 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:01 +0100 "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: > Hello, > > Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : > > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users should not > > see the impact of the switch. In theory. > > > What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did > > cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel > > as their method of keeping the system current? the above's line keeps the originally installed sources intact and just recompiles them again and again and again ... > > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs > source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > The line above will stay the same. Only the process of downloading the changes will change. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 01:32:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5096D6D6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A381F4 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r041Wp7g053264 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:32:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <50E63143.7010704@missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:32:51 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <20130104082034.041abecc@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20130104082034.041abecc@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:32:58 -0000 On 01/03/2013 07:20 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > So, why not wait until some more mirrors are available? > > One other problem people in 'developed' nations do not see exists. If - > like me - you are located on a very remote location with a more or less > random Internet connection, many servers become very impatient with the > user and cut the connection as their values for time outs are simply > too low. There is a delivery method called "CTM" which originally meant "CVSUP through Mail." It was originally meant for people with slow connections, but now it is mainly used by a few people because they are behind very strict firewalls that don't allow them access to the outside world except email. BUT for people who have bad internet connections, may I commend it as a method of getting updates for FreeBSD. I have recently upgraded it to include updates for the svn repositories. Yes, you will need to have a working svn on your system. And you will have to apply a patch to the existing ctm program to make it work (ctm is in the base system). But this has been working for several weeks now, and I think it is getting to the point where it is stable. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 04:46:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95905BBF for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100EB936 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntcmgw09p ([61.9.169.169]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20130104044551.VTQY24575.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw09p>; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:45:51 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.113.247]) by nskntcmgw09p with BigPond Outbound id jglq1k00J5LKYmq01glqKd; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:45:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=APSpfbFe c=1 sm=1 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:17 a=sEdvf7baevIA:10 a=twTT4oUKOlYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GHIR_BbyAAAA:8 a=pHA3C13z1-AA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=uyavkMrdAAAA:8 a=CYnwQQe7J6bBVM6tXFYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=EgWzmvyEIwcA:10 a=JGX6LFFZUg8A:10 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:117 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r044jAsC093388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:45:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: "'Erich Dollansky'" References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> Subject: RE: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:45:10 +1100 Message-ID: <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3qGpHQs+/2mVo8TDG6+SULJ1q8mwAGHmpA Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:46:00 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Erich Dollansky > Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 12:26 PM > To: Patrick M. Hausen > Cc: Eitan Adler; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? > > Hi, > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:01 +0100 > "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : > > > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users > should not > > > see the impact of the switch. In theory. > > > > > > What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did > > > > cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel > > > > as their method of keeping the system current? > > the above's line keeps the originally installed sources > intact and just recompiles them again and again and again ... > > > > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs > > source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > > The line above will stay the same. Only the process of > downloading the changes will change. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Erich, If there's a more lightweight way than : 1. cd /usr/ports/devel/subversion 2. turning off all options 3. turn on these options: ENHANCED_KEYWORD P4_STYLE_MARKERS STATIC 4. make install 5. Copy the svn as needed. The image should be 4.2MB Then I'd be happy to adopt. Regards, Dewayne. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 04:59:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A05D8D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFBD97F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hj13so9001009wib.7 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:59:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K1Vhkjg+LjTSinsluS1LRQxgkKVMt1ug73FBB47glrk=; b=Q0bQ1EuO8ZTMHvmPIHoTqXy76rdmQZdBkE0fOec8tZae3g/BbezBrD7eiul0jViXU5 3Qr+p/TypAfdfvm/pNNGH4bHJRNWq26ya0dFUKDthqJeGfg7hrUQRdFvyRujY5UMdQc6 XPjJPKZcNill2GvCRRUUMuk4uxta4nG9IolElA1LSHvhUgHaCB6zuXyYhY8EIJb4t8g7 tVXqKtbZ2g0nJm7UzDG+N0Zz+GPA6MgZBYbwAMv33jrG5uvq8nrAqxotsehrMJWykxWj h0CJ2Ejt3inQ5icmKcOv/Ykd0mYi+iMUqPhCnKk4Y6Gm860CAQLW0E5o7sQbDFDEJyot clnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.23.37 with SMTP id j5mr81555515wjf.28.1357275570581; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.172.197 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:59:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:59:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Kimmo Paasiala To: Dewayne Geraghty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:59:32 -0000 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Dewayne Geraghty wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Erich Dollansky >> Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 12:26 PM >> To: Patrick M. Hausen >> Cc: Eitan Adler; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? >> >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:01 +0100 >> "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : >> > > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users >> should not >> > > see the impact of the switch. In theory. >> > >> > >> > What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did >> > >> > cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel >> > >> > as their method of keeping the system current? >> >> the above's line keeps the originally installed sources >> intact and just recompiles them again and again and again ... >> > >> > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs >> > source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? >> > >> The line above will stay the same. Only the process of >> downloading the changes will change. >> >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Erich, If there's a more lightweight way than : > 1. cd /usr/ports/devel/subversion > 2. turning off all options > 3. turn on these options: ENHANCED_KEYWORD P4_STYLE_MARKERS STATIC > 4. make install > 5. Copy the svn as needed. The image should be 4.2MB > Then I'd be happy to adopt. > > Regards, Dewayne. > Even better, 4. make package 5. pkg_install or 'pkg install' the created package on the other machines. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 08:38:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC01456 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from kagate.punkt.de (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08E83FA for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de ([217.29.45.10]) by gate2.intern.punkt.de with ESMTP id r048c5qL050132; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:38:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from hausen-mbp.intern.punkt.de (hausen-mbp.intern.punkt.de [217.29.45.120] (may be forged)) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r048c5S2035731; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:38:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:38:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:38:08 -0000 Hi, all, Am 03.01.2013 um 19:21 schrieb Matthew Seaman = : > On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs = source >> updates. Are there more lightweight ways? >=20 > freebsd-update(8) >=20 > which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence of > any configuration to use other mechanisms. Sorry for being too terse in my first post. Seems like I should have a = closer look at freebsd-update. "Of course" I have lines like this in my = /etc/make.conf on each machine that I update from sources: SUP_UPDATE=3D yes SUP=3D /usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS=3D -g -L 2 SUPHOST=3D cvsup2.de.freebsd.org SUPFILE=3D = /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile PORTSSUPFILE=3D /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile And yes, guilty of never ever re-evaluating that mechanism since FreeBSD = 2.x. The only change I ever made was replacing cvsup with csup, once the = latter became available. And I did not know "make update" had a default without any configuration. That's why I ask stupid questions about whatever it is people use = nowadays. Thanks, Patrick --=20 punkt.de GmbH * Kaiserallee 13a * 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. 0721 9109 0 * Fax 0721 9109 100 info@punkt.de http://www.punkt.de Gf: J=FCrgen Egeling AG Mannheim 108285 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 08:41:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D3A601 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990E1655 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 08:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id r048frSP062720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 00:41:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id r048frhM062719; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 00:41:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA15364; Fri, 4 Jan 13 00:30:25 PST Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:30:24 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-Id: <50e68510.U9pMeUTKwURB0ycw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> In-Reply-To: <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:41:56 -0000 "Dewayne Geraghty" wrote: > > > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that > > > needs source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-November/070794.html From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 09:09:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70247F5F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEEF775 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:09:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=PuRDxZrQpW8sRYi4C6xkNKwBf73Ld8UJLVwzZmfXlnw=; b=hBtSsmIpBRdKOjtYKURshWKQOHA4TcIQcvHLN7HPsfrZDKUi3Q0hjYf3w+t7sppWSLEn3En0JD93SSkCJR7KJ2XuqPumicOw/yOiPoMHZTRlTdOyWp+BnkRvKQsol0rE; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=62986 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tr3Hd-001Ra1-4a; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:09:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:09:42 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: "Dewayne Geraghty" Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130104160942.61a0acf0@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:09:47 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:45:10 +1100 "Dewayne Geraghty" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Erich > > Dollansky Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 12:26 PM > > To: Patrick M. Hausen > > Cc: Eitan Adler; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? > > > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:48:01 +0100 > > "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Am 03.01.2013 um 16:36 schrieb Eitan Adler : > > > > CVS/SVN should be considered a development tool. Users > > should not > > > > see the impact of the switch. In theory. > > > > > > > > > What is the recommended csup replacement for users that did > > > > > > cd /usr/src && make update buildworld buildkernel > > > > > > as their method of keeping the system current? > > > > the above's line keeps the originally installed sources > > intact and just recompiles them again and again and again ... > > > > > > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs > > > source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > > > > The line above will stay the same. Only the process of > > downloading the changes will change. > > > > Erich > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Erich, If there's a more lightweight way than : you have thrown the bait: > 1. cd /usr/ports/devel/subversion > 2. turning off all options > 3. turn on these options: ENHANCED_KEYWORD P4_STYLE_MARKERS STATIC > 4. make install > 5. Copy the svn as needed. The image should be 4.2MB csup is currently installed by default. Not a single one of the steps shown above are needed at the moment. Can it be more lightweight than zero weight? > Then I'd be happy to adopt. You can do. I am very sorry to tell you that the people decided to stop supporting this. erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 09:25:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7253C53E for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091A6807 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=I5jZZfTJqmJHBA7k/rtQz+nJLptALI+liPjTtTswxAA=; b=xVic/NmXOuVuvINYv/5+T6+ArYRPvcjOburpbHOWCNcDr6aGgJUhNPpRZW8vL/R4hvJnJBpWrCRFSnEWatUsx/t54/SjsSNdMBYTiStVd0HN3s0MkquN9hGYSgsXMhDa; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=13027 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tr3Wz-001UDE-PD; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:25:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:25:34 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: "Patrick M. Hausen" Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20130104162534.16eec216@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:25:41 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:38:05 +0100 "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: > Am 03.01.2013 um 19:21 schrieb Matthew Seaman > : > > On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > >> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs > >> source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > > > freebsd-update(8) > > > > which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence > > of any configuration to use other mechanisms. > > > Sorry for being too terse in my first post. Seems like I should have > a closer look at freebsd-update. "Of course" I have lines like this > in my /etc/make.conf on each machine that I update from sources: no matter, you showed how deeply this integration was up to the point that you did not notice it anymore. You also showed that there was a reliable infrastructure available which served you for years without any problems. What will happen after the jump into the cold water? Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 09:43:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01748D1 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f181.google.com (mail-ia0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB888A4 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f181.google.com with SMTP id s32so13667738iak.12 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:42:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=x/RhESRwyG/0rGymXkPRQV2GqoNd5fm673PhqPevAY4=; b=jMWeQyGDKm4D38cGfeaTKCWGD4hmkZUa3RQ1GrWhywXvbPz222FaV4PZJjTIxAh4Fq 6Sl908rZp6Uw1XjnSAiar5enN51uUXPnA+ARYIsOMiDE7Bx2IcYV6CE724H2bZ+GeXQJ 0Jw/4bWIG1/tJzvtQNieIU5Ulja/nOaCvGNIOrnPSSoNzrFKK2BwTUDKwoVO2DFw+s5a moES1wGb74wZ8etp4N1i/+jCIhAWmwjpeeDInkp8ZDV8IIt2eVTt5Rz8owgitkkPCkn2 S9JXlpQ8fYnVLLcVSuzylhipCZTJTTojYrA3hnS2mBULKiYqlukZYPXeHAHb5z+4LT7O bf1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.178.10 with SMTP id cu10mr40634173igc.75.1357292574424; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 01:42:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130104162534.16eec216@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20130104162534.16eec216@X220.ovitrap.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:42:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Chris Rees To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:43:00 -0000 On 4 Jan 2013 09:25, "Erich Dollansky" wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:38:05 +0100 > "Patrick M. Hausen" wrote: > > > Am 03.01.2013 um 19:21 schrieb Matthew Seaman > > : > > > On 03/01/2013 17:48, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > >> I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system that needs > > >> source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > > > > > freebsd-update(8) > > > > > > which is what 'make update' will run by default and in the absence > > > of any configuration to use other mechanisms. > > > > > > Sorry for being too terse in my first post. Seems like I should have > > a closer look at freebsd-update. "Of course" I have lines like this > > in my /etc/make.conf on each machine that I update from sources: > > no matter, you showed how deeply this integration was up to the point > that you did not notice it anymore. > > You also showed that there was a reliable infrastructure available > which served you for years without any problems. > > What will happen after the jump into the cold water? Is there a problem with using freebsd-update for your sources too? Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 09:52:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F95BBC6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from kagate.punkt.de (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D7F8F5 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de ([217.29.45.10]) by gate2.intern.punkt.de with ESMTP id r049qS5O052521 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:52:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from hausen-mbp.intern.punkt.de (hausen-mbp.intern.punkt.de [217.29.45.120] (may be forged)) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r049qSqE038214 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:52:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:52:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20130104162534.16eec216@X220.ovitrap.com> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:52:30 -0000 Hi, all, Am 04.01.2013 um 10:42 schrieb Chris Rees : > Is there a problem with using freebsd-update for your sources too? I don't know - yet. First question that comes up, after reading the = manpages and freebsd-update.conf(5): datatomb2# uname -r 8.3-RELEASE-p4 datatomb2# grep Components /etc/freebsd-update.conf=20 ... Components src ... First naive try: datatomb2# cd /usr/src/ datatomb2# make update # nothing happens Next try: datatomb2# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching public key from update4.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata signature for 8.3-RELEASE from update4.FreeBSD.org... = done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 2 metadata files... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. Fetching 6 patches.... done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 6 files... done. The following files will be updated as part of updating to = 8.3-RELEASE-p5: /usr/src/contrib/bind9/bin/named/query.c /usr/src/contrib/bind9/lib/dns/include/dns/rdata.h /usr/src/contrib/bind9/lib/dns/master.c /usr/src/contrib/bind9/lib/dns/rdata.c /usr/src/contrib/wpa/src/eap_server/eap_tls_common.c /usr/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/crypt-des.c /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c /usr/src/sys/compat/linux/linux_ioctl.c /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh /usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c /usr/src/sys/netinet6/in6.c /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ip6_input.c datatomb2# freebsd-update install Installing updates... done. Great, but /usr/src/UPDATING is still at p4 instead of p5??? So - this is definitely no simple plug-in replacement for csup. And is there a "Components ports"? Doesn't look like it. Thanks, Patrick M. Hausen Leiter Netzwerke und Sicherheit --=20 punkt.de GmbH * Kaiserallee 13a * 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. 0721 9109 0 * Fax 0721 9109 100 info@punkt.de http://www.punkt.de Gf: J=FCrgen Egeling AG Mannheim 108285 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 10:32:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804B38A4 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038BAB6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rufus.webfusion.com (mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r04AVkmu054444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:31:53 GMT (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r04AVkmu054444 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r04AVkmu054444; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host mail.heartinternet.co.uk [79.170.40.31] claimed to be rufus.webfusion.com Message-ID: <50E6AF91.804@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:31:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <50E5CC1C.7070803@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20130104162534.16eec216@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:32:03 -0000 On 04/01/2013 09:52, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > So - this is definitely no simple plug-in replacement for csup. > And is there a "Components ports"? Doesn't look like it. No. You'ld use portsnap(8) for ports. It's very similar to freebsd-update(8) from a user perspective but apparently quite different in the back-end. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 10:39:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF9AC46 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC52AFA for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (lon.namesco.net [195.7.254.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r04AdWIG021203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:39:32 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <50E6B164.50105@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:39:32 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Solved?: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system References: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:39:35 -0000 On 03/01/2013 21:18, Paul Mather wrote: > > > It turns out it was my /boot.config that was preventing booting. The system is usually always headless, so I have "-S115200 -Dh" as the sole line in /boot.config to enable a 115200 baud serial console. This has been working fine for me up until I did a {build,install} {kernel,world} on 1st January 2013. I was pretty sure my woes began after I did the "zpool upgrade -a" and subsequently rebooted again, but now I can't be sure whether I successfully rebooted at all after the "make installworld" and mergemaster step. > > Does anyone know a sure-fire way of getting a dual console setup (high-speed serial + VGA). The recipe I had been using had worked well for a long time. I had "-S115200 -Dh" in /boot.config and the following entries in /boot/loader.conf: > > boot_multicons="YES" > comconsole_speed="115200" > console="comconsole,vidconsole" > > Now, though, if I have "-S115200 -Dh" then the system locks up at boot. Removing /boot.config gets me dual console, but only at 9600 baud. :-( I have root@copia:/root # more /boot.config -Dh and root@copia:/root # grep 'cons' /boot/loader.conf console="comconsole,vidconsole" comconsole_speed="19200" boot_multicons="yes" Which works fine for ipmi based serial over lan console in a generic 9.1-RELEASE. Not sure thats that helpful but 19200 is better than 9600 ;) Vince > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Is the BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED entry in /etc/make.conf needed? I was under the impression it has been obsolete for a while and took it out of my /etc/make.conf file. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 21:15:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550C7DAB for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.homeunix.org) Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DED972 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (zidane.cc.vt.edu [198.82.163.227]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r04LD8Cb016672; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:15:01 -0500 Received: from auth3.smtp.vt.edu (EHLO auth3.smtp.vt.edu) ([198.82.161.152]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id VTO87900; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu (pmather.tower.lib.vt.edu [128.173.51.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth3.smtp.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r04LF0Le007886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:15:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Solved?: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: <50E6B164.50105@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:14:59 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2775327B-34AE-40D6-8563-D75026887235@gromit.homeunix.org> References: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> <50E6B164.50105@unsane.co.uk> To: Vincent Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 198.82.161.152 auth3.smtp.vt.edu paul@gromit.homeunix.org 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=zidane.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020206.50E74655.0114,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:15:33 -0000 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > On 03/01/2013 21:18, Paul Mather wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> It turns out it was my /boot.config that was preventing booting. The = system is usually always headless, so I have "-S115200 -Dh" as the sole = line in /boot.config to enable a 115200 baud serial console. This has = been working fine for me up until I did a {build,install} {kernel,world} = on 1st January 2013. I was pretty sure my woes began after I did the = "zpool upgrade -a" and subsequently rebooted again, but now I can't be = sure whether I successfully rebooted at all after the "make = installworld" and mergemaster step. >>=20 >> Does anyone know a sure-fire way of getting a dual console setup = (high-speed serial + VGA). The recipe I had been using had worked well = for a long time. I had "-S115200 -Dh" in /boot.config and the following = entries in /boot/loader.conf: >>=20 >> boot_multicons=3D"YES" >> comconsole_speed=3D"115200" >> console=3D"comconsole,vidconsole" >>=20 >> Now, though, if I have "-S115200 -Dh" then the system locks up at = boot. Removing /boot.config gets me dual console, but only at 9600 = baud. :-( > I have > root@copia:/root # more /boot.config > -Dh >=20 > and > root@copia:/root # grep 'cons' /boot/loader.conf > console=3D"comconsole,vidconsole" > comconsole_speed=3D"19200" > boot_multicons=3D"yes" >=20 > Which works fine for ipmi based serial over lan console in a generic > 9.1-RELEASE. > Not sure thats that helpful but 19200 is better than 9600 ;) That's weird. I have the same basic /boot/loader.conf entries (except = for a speed of 115200) and even just putting "-Dh" into /boot.config = leads to the same unbootable system behaviour. :-( Maybe something broke recently in the RELENG_8 boot loader? Like I said = originally, that /boot.config entry had been working for me without = problems for a long time. Cheers, Paul.= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 21:28:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DE691 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from kaga.kitchenlab.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:55c::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5306F9FA for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from morimoto.int.kitchenlab.org (c-67-188-254-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.254.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by kaga.kitchenlab.org (8.14.6/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r04LScha086690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <50E74986.2000900@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:28:38 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Mather Subject: Re: Solved?: Re: Upgrade of RELENG_8 ZFS boot pool leads to unbootable system References: <50E48610.2040204@infracaninophile.co.uk> <50E6B164.50105@unsane.co.uk> <2775327B-34AE-40D6-8563-D75026887235@gromit.homeunix.org> In-Reply-To: <2775327B-34AE-40D6-8563-D75026887235@gromit.homeunix.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig967382DF0124298E0BC17CBB" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at kaga.kitchenlab.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Vincent Hoffman X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:28:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig967382DF0124298E0BC17CBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Paul Mather wrote: > That's weird. I have the same basic /boot/loader.conf entries > (except for a speed of 115200) and even just putting "-Dh" into > /boot.config leads to the same unbootable system behaviour. :-( > > Maybe something broke recently in the RELENG_8 boot loader? Like I > said originally, that /boot.config entry had been working for me > without problems for a long time. Hi Paul-- I recently ran into this as well. I didn't do any setting of the console bitrate, just "-Dh" in /boot.config, and it caused a server I was upgrading to lock up just as you described. I had to learn about mounting ZFS filesystems from the Fixit environment in a hurry. My workaround was to get rid of /boot.config, which obviously doesn't restore the original functionality. The system in question was (is) running 8.3-RELEASE. Bruce. --------------enig967382DF0124298E0BC17CBB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDnSYYACgkQ2MoxcVugUsOvEgCfW6+WGvbGWPQyNgu5PBIlyZmr bp8AnjThpkk9eqAskXXo/QjV8GZPDk5p =r7Ez -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig967382DF0124298E0BC17CBB-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 22:38:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E73E94 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@qxnitro.org) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EE9D14 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so10552018lab.29 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qxnitro.org; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:x-originating-ip:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XntDnSsjXId/Now9R/J/ibagtfvCSrZQb3ToL3cVqG4=; b=I67CWkubv4adqncBcktyaRqdxl1l5qVNQLRNCgLioGLrlZilozTaMTMlmaVjw3DwJ/ WKmr1kwQeNVy2GvdL6wo2mrl9yBColivKR2pxu9VnBwcxmKdhV+vkoSeZzeI6PIj5v6H JrP2XEb5igWOVJXJJCKhh/IOrKW/ueFBS/uiI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:x-originating-ip:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=XntDnSsjXId/Now9R/J/ibagtfvCSrZQb3ToL3cVqG4=; b=g9C9Zu7rzNPFOR6lwGr8+6+zTtVcdGgcNMqTYkkhIP5QXaUyCD3JZ2gxYhvpHrHMq7 fA8dl19A4ahcb47oXFEH6dc5NNWpx0lvc5Aqy2wOGR9/4UHbxq42ldZlR5Su4eDPPwEK xuM3dQvOIe9zmZC9cP1G+cRVu2KLwF//crYjW32fsI7MVKkInn7Re7mShPgPbNwMOJBz KTWWlUTINOM1RJVdvS4SW2coO+XJsgrvn2OQNrftK+hrSK4VjKmAOZrTr7lCqabuScXE Dqg5e3PDMdVE2I13bR48C0o9dchlYWGYwMOoK4iRz0yUp6uhQzrW5IJhIORqCfGGZUe3 mKRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.18 with SMTP id hw18mr51744878lab.22.1357339133229; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:38:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: simon@qxnitro.org Received: by 10.112.19.41 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [89.100.233.26] Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:38:53 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qzXmFoqnRB2sMJSf6_yh9EyaZgw Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD wiki offline for a bit From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnoheT6k88hr0D/ziBWNxk1j31FYMQq4mWW/i+yEakepXqF5ir1qCykiwgH0A0mNHEpdO4j Cc: "FreeBSD.org clusteradm" , FreeBSD Security Team X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:38:55 -0000 Hey, Due to a security issue in the moinmoin wiki software, the FreeBSD wiki will be offline for a bit. I do not yet know if the issue actually has been exploited in the FreeBSD wiki (haven't had the time yet to examine it), but I took the wiki down just in case. Note that even if the software was compromised, it was considered untrusted from the start and as such heavily sandboxed (including jailed) to keep it away from any sensitive FreeBSD.org parts, so there is absolutely no reason to believe a compromise would go any further than the wiki itself. I hope to have the wiki back within 24 hours, assuming not too much gets in the way. For further reference see: http://moinmo.in/SecurityFixes and http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1754 . PS. this is entirely unrelated to the 2012 November FreeBSD.org compromise. -- Simon L. B. Nielsen Hat: FreeBSD clusteradm / FreeBSD Security Officer From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 03:31:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513B8E11 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26ED7AD for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 03:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwcmgw09p ([61.9.190.169]) by nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20130105010213.HLHW2085.nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw09p>; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 01:02:13 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.113.247]) by nschwcmgw09p with BigPond Outbound id k12C1k00T5LKYmq0112CPh; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:02:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bcfpoZzB c=1 sm=1 p=9CNj8_f3AAAA:8 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:17 a=sEdvf7baevIA:10 a=twTT4oUKOlYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GHIR_BbyAAAA:8 a=pHA3C13z1-AA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=LcC_MaYJ39Z5nPLs7sEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=t18fA_h2Cw0A:10 a=hM7CazKGO1zT5UAM:21 a=ljq6UyR1tJHRzTfd:21 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:117 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r0511OsV025812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:01:24 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: "'Perry Hutchison'" References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <148920333.20121231235441@takeda.tk> <50E3444D.1060307@mu.org> <6794891ed487f426d2c5d0108648f1e0.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <20130102123148.1f493d00@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E45A03.9080600@FreeBSD.org> <20130103075037.130afa18@X220.ovitrap.com> <50E533F1.5020006@FreeBSD.org> <818DF1F6-9C5B-4BDE-867B-ECD8C60E5659@punkt.de> <20130104082626.4e9392b1@X220.ovitrap.com> <6BF95EA404024B1F9412309111AC58D8@white> <50e68510.U9pMeUTKwURB0ycw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Subject: RE: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:01:23 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <50e68510.U9pMeUTKwURB0ycw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Thread-Index: Ac3qV2rkhCWkfJMBQECN7d1f6y1nYQAhWQQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:31:52 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Perry Hutchison > Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 7:30 PM > To: dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au > Cc: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? > > "Dewayne Geraghty" wrote: > > > > > I'm a bit reluctant to installing svn on every system > that needs > > > > source updates. Are there more lightweight ways? > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-Novembe > r/070794.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Perry, Thanks for the pointer I did not consider freebsd-update as the first paragraph of the description only mentions binary updates. I'll need to take a closer look. Kimmo, I agree and usually prefer to distribute binaries as a package. However it includes other binaries and doc etc that aren't required to maintain source. The emphasise was on lightweight. To accomplish the task of source maintenance (get and update) then a static svn image is all that's required. Erich, You're right, csup is an elegant and proven solution which I've used for years. We could continue using it for the life of RELENG_9 but the change to svn becomes mandatory for 10. There has been a lot of discussion in this and other threads, that there is more effort involved in maintaining sources than developers and contributors wish to spend when an alternative presents itself. I'd rather their generous contribution of time be spent of fixing or enhancing our OS. The only "down-side" that I've noticed is that csup would replace all files under /usr/src which I modified (a good thing). Svn does not. Where I've patched a source and there's, it needs to be told to "svn --accept tf update /usr/src" to replace a change; so my tools can repatch. If there's no conflict svn doesn't look at the local files, and the patched files are unchanged. I'm sure that there are better ways, but I care about svn only to the extent that I can maintain FreeBSD sources. ref: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=freebsd-update&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.1-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html Regards, Dewayne PS I'm offsite for next 5 days so apologies in advance for delay responding. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 15:09:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1BFCA5 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:09:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D076D3 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tom.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r05F9JpR044363; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:09:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.3 kib.kiev.ua r05F9JpR044363 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r05F9IX0044362; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:09:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:09:18 +0200 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: Post 9.1 stable file system problems Message-ID: <20130105150918.GR82219@kib.kiev.ua> References: <50E225DF.3090004@bsdforen.de> <50E23283.8010407@bsdforen.de> <50E23647.6000309@bsdforen.de> <20130101065145.GT82219@kib.kiev.ua> <50E2E720.3040803@bsdforen.de> <20130101155806.GU82219@kib.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3w1+XHTy8jVCESz1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130101155806.GU82219@kib.kiev.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on tom.home Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:09:31 -0000 --3w1+XHTy8jVCESz1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 05:58:06PM +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:39:44PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > On 01/01/2013 07:51, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:05:11AM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > >> On 01/01/2013 01:49, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > >>> On 01/01/2013 01:29, Chris Rees wrote: > > >>>> On 1 Jan 2013 00:01, "Dominic Fandrey" wrot= e: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have a Tinderbox that I just updated to the current RELENG_9. > > >>>>> Following the update build times for packages have increased by a > > >>>>> factor between 5 and 20. I.e. I have packages that used to build = in > > >>>>> 5 minutes and now take an hour. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm suspecting the file system ever since I saw that the majority= of CPU > > >>>>> load was caused by ls when I looked at top (more than 2 minutes o= f CPU > > >>>>> time were counted that moment). The majority of the time most of = the CPU > > >>>>> load is caused by bsdtar, pkg_add, qmake-qt4, etc. Without except= ion > > >>>>> tools that access a lot of files. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The file system on which packages are built is nullfs mounted from > > >>>>> an async mounted UFS. I turned async off, to no avail. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> /usr/src/UPDATING says that there were nullfs optimisations. So I > > >>>>> think this is where the problem originates. I might hack the tind= erbox to > > >>>>> use 'ln -s' or set it up for NFS to verify this. > > >>>> > > >>>> Is your kernel newer than the Jail? The converse causes problems. > > >>> > > >>> I ran makeJail for all jails after updating. > Did you rebuild your modules together with the new kernel ? >=20 > > >>> > > >>> I also seem to have similar problems when building in the host-syst= em. > > >>> The unzip for openjdk-7 has just passed the 11 minutes CPU time mar= k. > > >>> On my notebook it takes less than 10 seconds. > > >> > > >> Just set WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a tmpfs on the Tinderbox host system > > >> and the extract takes less than a second. Originally WRKOBJDIRPREFIX > > >> also pointed to a nullfs mount. > > >> > > >> Afterwards I pointed WRKOBJDIRPREFIX to a UFS file system (without > > >> nullfs involvement). The entire make extract took 20s. > > >> > > >> So still faster by at least factor 30 than running it on a nullfs mo= unt > > >> (I eventually SIGINTed so I don't know how long it would've run). > > >=20 > > > Start providing some useful debugging information ? > >=20 > > That one might be interesting. It's all system time: > >=20 > > # time -lh make extract > > =3D=3D=3D> License GPLv2 accepted by the user > > =3D=3D=3D> Found saved configuration for openjdk-7.9.05_1 > > =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for openjdk-7.9.05_2 > > =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for openjdk-7u6-fcs-src-b24-09_aug_2012.zip. > > =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for apache-ant-1.8.4-bin.zip. > > =3D=3D=3D> openjdk-7.9.05_2 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/unzip - f= ound > > ^Ctime: command terminated abnormally > > 4m29.30s real 3.03s user 4m22.55s sys > > 5008 maximum resident set size > > 135 average shared memory size > > 2932 average unshared data size > > 127 average unshared stack size > > 7772 page reclaims > > 0 page faults > > 0 swaps > > 19 block input operations > > 101 block output operations > > 0 messages sent > > 0 messages received > > 41 signals received > > 1597 voluntary context switches > > 16590 involuntary context switches >=20 > Ok, from your mount -v output, are the three nullfs mounts the only > nullfs mount ever used ? >=20 > Is it only unzip which demostrates the silly behaviour ? Or does it > happen with any program ? E.g., does ls(1) or sha1 on the nullfs mount > also slow ? >=20 > Could you try some low-tech profiling on the slow program. For instance, > you could run ktrace/kdump -R to see which syscalls are slow. >=20 > Most darkly part of your report for me, is that I also use nullfs-backed > jails both on HEAD and stable/9, with bigger scale, and I do not have > an issue. I just did > pooma32% time unzip -q /usr/local/arch/freebsd/distfiles/openjdk-7u6-fcs-= src-b24-09_aug_2012.zip > unzip -q 3.25s user 23.77s system 78% cpu 34.482 total > over nullfs mount of > /usr/home on /usr/sfw/local8/opt/pooma32/usr/home (nullfs, local). >=20 > Please try the following patch, which changes nullfs behaviour to be > non-cached by default. You could turn on the caching with the 'mount -t > nullfs -o cache from to' mounting command. I am interested if use/non-use > of -o cache makes a difference for you. Ping. Any update ? --3w1+XHTy8jVCESz1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ6EIdAAoJEJDCuSvBvK1BLmEP/1HBfqeXHoyEw4s46y25dzUH lPryrvLTKIaQF/+OKMVtQ/4IRVBdrWDoT8vVZa9zYYp0LSv75KZjiNhrmcsnxqUK TQ1ne6LxlRPrxSliC0osqLjohZzBbt0wZg+QcsRQGmgv2Pq/IZprXPRHEPnCl/+e VjlighkkZjENs1fj6LY+XlFQnQO3s9vRouIaF1H35aQ8f/CWl3By32/h0qoIYCnP iHQsqSyjoshOTrNzj9Kg1UU1zcVNRkTnWLwebh57aq8wzrhMGB4uSatig6AL+Qa3 pk/x+b7dQaFX5pGRbUisJSXQG3Mui60oxBhYMXWhmVzFSv6JWqs8C2/sDVmZpDtF cgpS8ivOJUZpm+nrGkhegqRog5+9cvlE9hckUSWm514DlV362xIRUmE0800M8Imc Ny92I1qsJHVmH+UaTVH+g+O7jQ8lzLbyvKkxvTcHc7shrcqhodyzz+BwJIq+rxZr VVhRP7r7GKDxNSfmITlcOjx2n+yV/HvPio9KLAx46MXlDClT9NRvxNMsKlCMiSt2 +sKDPf+dSw4xf8soKXdLe9198JM8yO9N7Kwg+CdOQ4EYZ6vTsz6FwfCNPyxHN7RN LE1fNcCxtuWVKtscukuohsqc+8RqxMV17eXC0ORxGhBKjuTxFoftbogohNSgR7L+ kaD4223z733KXKRUdYve =6z4/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3w1+XHTy8jVCESz1-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 20:38:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B76315; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 20:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from je.broman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E98D185; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 20:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e12so8228567wge.34 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NsYv2FbvwlMm/mlRrNxBAmOMOqL3rGhwfVhiCPBQt04=; b=S//oyWr2jaLQ+Tmf2r0rFA7faGpbxkh64dMUkgIhNFLI2FhiMJHi4ZxHhQsUhXciDk ODksE0kgWnZ0nTMYuOS7Et0kbm/7UJzs+9P7DEfB5OuZlpAleGjMFV+lfMyf3R5Ghkfu p1L7pDFbiqv4IOkKQat4UKFN4vQEqfPqf5OkStqWCUrEUSHVX8YewrFz4vv53PLxDTej c6MmvQ5uEYUIPQmx8Cldb0vg44DpUngs40W+vj6GoAmeks0jQiaH4e8ZrPtEPGmEjHJ8 WeLskS9hZyQw6EzKk29jQe1EmbzLVR8EzLZRyOpM0ZGQH0z5bE8qox0CLR6Bv6c1jijV BBsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.107.129 with SMTP id hc1mr3086757wib.34.1357418319382; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.124.7 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:38:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: load average 0.60 at 100% idle From: Johan Broman To: freebsd-acpi@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:38:46 -0000 Hi! Bare with me here as I'm totally new to FreeBSD (like 2 weeks). >From what I understand, there is a change in FreeBSD 9.1 ACPI code that makes detection of devices happen earlier? This can result in eventtimer irqs being shared with another device and can therefor throw off tools reporting load avg values (they report constantly around 0.60 in load). I guess there were good reasons for making the ACPI change, so is this a ACPI problem or should the code around the tools, such as top, change? This is a 9.1 "regression" as the problem is not there in FreeBSD 9.0. Here's some more info on the bug and possible workarounds: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=173541&cat= and http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-April/067382.html Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Johan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 20:49:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA1665B; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8861724F; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e12so8627161wge.22 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZmuBT1VTS4DbMXbAVkQgTDAAulz0amCtbPkeEbpM3Gw=; b=L6yPsNkWLIjPTGzdDYvhvHJfDpIVM0yluPIbj+A+OscTvPc2g2pSZAEnMFCUxUmgYR 9Urinzcd5ufZ4/sPW8iqGf8am+oX7noBu1x3/twmUEGB/++0gEf1OdIBshC19+avNzUC gBysCiLYaUEF6Obi8x2MYZyupk8Es1jtitghXo1PkCXqdJ/nd+FCBG7nU1iAzhvAIlCH SNHHusFkkY9FrsbIIPkNHYdHp4d4TUQYNmnfG7RxcVbamI+rh9kiuYuQI0INw4k+DfRA 8ehXb+x0epaVsOlYNzGwJwOTumSkdcKFNT4luqCk/xf02+1Ku44E2GMECz5amoZD29qK bPLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.195.13.67 with SMTP id ew3mr1966989wjd.59.1357418986272; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.217.57.9 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:49:46 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kMMR-U3bVDFkwTf3mfuDYsbiNHU Message-ID: Subject: Re: load average 0.60 at 100% idle From: Adrian Chadd To: Johan Broman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-acpi@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jung-uk Kim X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:49:48 -0000 Cc'ing the committer / ACPI owner! jkim - any comments? Adrian On 5 January 2013 12:38, Johan Broman wrote: > Hi! > > Bare with me here as I'm totally new to FreeBSD (like 2 weeks). > > From what I understand, there is a change in FreeBSD 9.1 ACPI code > that makes detection of devices happen earlier? This can result in > eventtimer irqs being shared with another device and can therefor > throw off tools reporting load avg values (they report constantly > around 0.60 in load). I guess there were good reasons for making the > ACPI change, so is this a ACPI problem or should the code around the > tools, such as top, change? This is a 9.1 "regression" as the problem > is not there in FreeBSD 9.0. > > Here's some more info on the bug and possible workarounds: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=173541&cat= > > and > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-April/067382.html > > Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Johan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 21:58:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91716705 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@vink.pl) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4918A7F3 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fc26so17802664vbb.31 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=EgsJ0A9RyzRzo9mZfnPv+K9SgMj+hOh3aaeHYUIMOCI=; b=crdDO78QCBmCPBYfMJJYERxnx+acqhEfmKmFB478EaeCuRySreVfWQW1oShmtBHHxx AcZ60urfg7SUMo9bglracMD7VecH9E2EvYmciRFOziH8QW+/nmg1ahmeEfjW1GARiazD PSRs3IqX5DkutNmx6Qm5zUKmzyKZPTDZ3mzmw2vZPJGgSnOYyzjtyaIE8aTbXULvL5Oa aSsuEtQK0A7AU6lVbuGF8Qc7KuESvygkluOvl6D6NCbokQUZCjHYkbs3rreRNDVjvhIJ 9Nnex/sWeQra8E/nGX09icwYu/yRzkJU580k1VM6nzm8Rk6eb4+MVHl8vAXGiBvsGY5W nGJA== X-Received: by 10.58.155.99 with SMTP id vv3mr80856111veb.50.1357423084605; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w4sm39704935vdj.21.2013.01.05.13.58.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id fs19so17607695vbb.16 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.74 with SMTP id a10mr78896941vcp.20.1357423083987; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.64.5 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 22:58:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: GELI performance on Atom D525 From: Wiktor Niesiobedzki To: freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmPNn/beEDkk3xzdqlnDrWfxn+osykGjozMphPXvm4+k0Grh3JEdu/2+ecZm2Cfl2dEjn5T X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 21:58:06 -0000 Hi, Can anyone with access to Atom D525 processor can do a performance check for me: # kldload geom_eli # kldload geom_zero # sysctl kern.geom.zero.clear=0 # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-cbc gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 # geli kill gzero # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-xts gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 I'm interested in dd outputs ofcourse. I would like to compare this to VIA Esther processor 1000MHz, which has padlock AES accelerator. My results are: AES-CBC: 4294967296 bytes transferred in 31.805894 secs (135036836 bytes/sec) AES-XTS: 4294967296 bytes transferred in 765.232668 secs (5612629 bytes/sec) Anyone can provide the results for Atom D525? Cheers, Wiktor Niesiobedzki From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 22:26:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E250C59 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F00E8DD for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id dr1so1121031wgb.1 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FAYCfaonUY5hQb2RbFf0bzkTVLxfMAT4g/kc4IziTCg=; b=aIVqP/AI6+nnQtIrHXUFyq0vgufHEe7z6A0UV1ohbrqbcqcJYsAb6WS6nYKUmvZlzd /nqB1iXOxUdWlkQWJwIYRipmZWTS8wsmR1cxeY+SJVB9dKS4LS1VP11dOHxJhcFEpdG6 D86kcoxZiVV1vkXnJ7QgfOu6XjH2meaGarXq5kv9rQd7UjOebMrOf3gqNWxMmxiYP1Up ASdOG87pS6lnUbsg1Lqi/cmm5f250UX+pdXF3zvu9FVD5/oqIykRMHul+1o/RXTi5ntO gZ+lRUnNRXlZ1uGud4fMkWxKAcH6uRJJ0SEGcF4WQRELT436TTmRcWG/pYIKZgtdQWVj YFlA== Received: by 10.194.89.167 with SMTP id bp7mr89014871wjb.0.1357424801312; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.232 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GELI performance on Atom D525 To: Wiktor Niesiobedzki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlBSxgUC4BSygfMTttu3mxmB66Fz3fVOak9jhrb1u6uGdvhecgWhogX4vm18DDmbVzeqJAj Cc: freebsd-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:26:43 -0000 On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone with access to Atom D525 processor can do a performance check for me: > # kldload geom_eli > # kldload geom_zero > # sysctl kern.geom.zero.clear=0 > # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-cbc gzero > # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > # geli kill gzero > # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-xts gzero > # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > > I'm interested in dd outputs ofcourse. I would like to compare this to > VIA Esther processor 1000MHz, which has padlock AES accelerator. > > My results are: > > AES-CBC: > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 31.805894 secs (135036836 bytes/sec) > > AES-XTS: > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 765.232668 secs (5612629 bytes/sec) > > > Anyone can provide the results for Atom D525? FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p1 amd64: CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz (1800.04-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x106ca Family = 6 Model = 1c Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x40e31d AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics # sysctl kern.geom.zero.clear=0 kern.geom.zero.clear: 1 -> 0 # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-cbc gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 192.024101 secs (22366814 bytes/sec) # geli kill gzero # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-xts gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 232.956895 secs (18436747 bytes/sec) - Max From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 5 23:07:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2B250E for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 23:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clbuisson@orange.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp05.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.127]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D19BC for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 23:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([90.45.21.122]) by mwinf5d62 with ME id kP7t1k0052e2Sje03P7trm; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:07:54 +0100 Message-ID: <50E8B248.30709@orange.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:07:52 +0100 From: Claude Buisson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.11) Gecko/20121222 Thunderbird/10.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wiktor Niesiobedzki , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GELI performance on Atom D525 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 23:07:57 -0000 On 01/05/2013 22:58, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone with access to Atom D525 processor can do a performance check for me: > # kldload geom_eli > # kldload geom_zero > # sysctl kern.geom.zero.clear=0 > # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-cbc gzero > # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > # geli kill gzero > # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-xts gzero > # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > > I'm interested in dd outputs ofcourse. I would like to compare this to > VIA Esther processor 1000MHz, which has padlock AES accelerator. > > My results are: > > AES-CBC: > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 31.805894 secs (135036836 bytes/sec) > > AES-XTS: > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 765.232668 secs (5612629 bytes/sec) > > > Anyone can provide the results for Atom D525? > FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE (svn 243788) CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz (1795.75-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x106ca Family = 0x6 Model = 0x1c Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x40e31d AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 4083802112 (3894 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: <032111 APIC1732> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 HTT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 3 # kldload geom_eli # kldload geom_zero # sysctl kern.geom.zero.clear=0 kern.geom.zero.clear: 1 -> 0 # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-cbc gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 245.828912 secs (17471368 bytes/sec) # geli kill gzero # geli onetime -s 4096 -l 256 -e aes-xts gzero # dd if=/dev/gzero.eli of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 291.027184 secs (14757959 bytes/sec) > Cheers, > > Wiktor Niesiobedzki Claude Buisson