From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Tue Dec 1 17:44:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3FAA3E86E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shirkdog.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x231.google.com (mail-ob0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE4D51F34 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shirkdog.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by obcse5 with SMTP id se5so7410975obc.3 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Lg8Y2PUd3z4aqpNzb98aawleljSWkxxNU9OSWEncjzc=; b=nZOCBtSFqKv/2w5agEDKeGatHWPxug4HdHFFdZU+sNZx1rvUkW11eoVetufIsZ/QJ5 jouj35hQmEo4svx4nuBrUdjbEzY/0xDI48YCv7XouKxfok/+mhRP23inqvSX3DuTCark 55D9KKbe4gB8XQiihU+llGtj9CZHuP+eAThRe34bZFsofFKZs7zbqc9C6AHK2/bSnkfn BS8dgH0oIWNw/ks5CIUSzFW0aUqA5tnEoJhVddJs0f5xAesAVIJSWS7neeE7Wu0sCu4Q uAxbQXTi4LJgdckXNFp2JZQs7oymDHuQSt+s2z1OLvXSUH1nuPsaPGoXGdlMpmLP9qbd NMjg== X-Received: by 10.60.51.70 with SMTP id i6mr43975960oeo.3.1448991878373; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.30.41 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 09:44:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Shirk Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Bourbon and BSD (Baltimore area BSD MeetUp) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:44:39 -0000 In the spirit of CapBUG, and the MetaBUG, if you have an interest in the BSD operating systems and would like to meetup with like minded people, come out to the Wits End Saloon in Timonium, MD on December 15th, 2015 at 6PM. The Wits End Saloon provides a wide variety of bourbons, whiskeys, and local area beers and is adjacent to the Magooby's Joke House Comedy Club. It is also "Taco Tuesday" with $2 tacos until 9PM. Look for "The Usual BSDs" t-shirt when arriving, the bar is not very big, and is pretty laid back. Hope to see you there. Wits End Saloon 9603 Deereco Rd Lutherville-Timonium, MD 21093 -- Michael Shirk Daemon Security, Inc. http://www.daemon-security.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Tue Dec 1 23:33:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49352A3ED97 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-qg0-x232.google.com (mail-qg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 013841C54 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 23:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: by qgcc31 with SMTP id c31so19531905qgc.3 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:33:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ENZdKuhennyODJMeJ1YcgFVeUVBEp5x01A+Yoh4IfV8=; b=KAhvQ5ABCuLweD3x0+ByOYQEVU9alLrpMa4kz9PG+Pjw6VtniXttFJTJRW9ratrtyS MQpxS4B2uCQ/c1j3egRHWZJ8+VHkeR+SJ83SLCkKOsYLWGS9O4fm6uGJQ6wzZmOi2/a8 4akmWgLpcjLdBX/bndnGDhTnhPqE55v9tIFv0uSN4QJrEAQxm8SHlojGxtW0E8YZBeks IRcE02qi3wl09bmZwga9uPqdNlXcGtyrrJjrkmpGDtQ6SPJr5dMDwpmEt8Mb9MMDChaD p+5R6jCw2GFUjXaQAep/ooWR6aLugx9jVhydQcIPi5rjCZD/ugumhzmxORGeQ3icjZcO 4c7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=ENZdKuhennyODJMeJ1YcgFVeUVBEp5x01A+Yoh4IfV8=; b=fOu0d4bk+l13buFyXNNNOtPHHaLDr+18KlMMQCPYBvgzijafFzDOFPsiGghQrGvizc PBqN4TI76XgQHxZ26rzr3Cr6CDAAwLSW5QHf11UObdEcE4glNI65Zt6Hv8Xe1O5UQXBu y0tijea+gUzc546k3rWwWTw/kJVUVqz6mlt9RFvxFtoNasYvuWjaJc8pjWUX3Bwyf7GM 2d6T6xu/pIxRqeqsvhYBG7XUlsnUL7ZqJ68pyAHvpvocPXZ/HEBIfG8hL/F8jvPFKjB+ vhw+A3+EpfsRKX9uN0vt4xTX8LBWvLNB4uAWMX0SLCfD/sMkEAFxHYI7Nib+c364Xivi 3EYA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkV0LEEcxqG3JkUMzqBc+o7T6e89PBpk3pJCHOfnTp1P7S3V1+vSx/KHAp+7xo7ipffe00V X-Received: by 10.140.107.72 with SMTP id g66mr143154qgf.86.1449012785813; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mutt-hardenedbsd ([63.88.83.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r66sm73143qhb.35.2015.12.01.15.33.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:33:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:33:02 -0500 From: Shawn Webb To: Michael Shirk Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bourbon and BSD (Baltimore area BSD MeetUp) Message-ID: <20151201233302.GA22786@mutt-hardenedbsd> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hardenedbsd 11.0-CURRENT-HBSD FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT-HBSD X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6A84658F52456EEE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:33:07 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 12:44:19PM -0500, Michael Shirk wrote: > In the spirit of CapBUG, and the MetaBUG, if you have an interest in > the BSD operating systems and would like to meetup with like minded > people, come out to the Wits End Saloon in Timonium, MD on December > 15th, 2015 at 6PM. >=20 > The Wits End Saloon provides a wide variety of bourbons, whiskeys, and > local area beers and is adjacent to the Magooby's Joke House Comedy > Club. It is also "Taco Tuesday" with $2 tacos until 9PM. >=20 > Look for "The Usual BSDs" t-shirt when arriving, the bar is not very > big, and is pretty laid back. Hope to see you there. >=20 > Wits End Saloon > 9603 Deereco Rd > Lutherville-Timonium, MD 21093 >=20 > -- > Michael Shirk > Daemon Security, Inc. > http://www.daemon-security.com Count me in! --=20 Shawn Webb HardenedBSD GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWXi4qAAoJEGqEZY9SRW7ukE4P/RO6MiHyxwl5m/xKpyoM1oPZ P2INj7O3P8+F37QL0tIRsMMTsOTL0CFYS2wMXsNBDIqZDB6s8/bC08uugtnlODLs iRytu0cGRp4yJ818b9rUJ+FVQCAodTRRxvLTQ8zOWuI+DGeDp2JmIu1EXMeC0JJe 0K+HuBlyQjZbaOGjLpSF+6ojJaY4Jl2klcPU0xjzCOw3BIqf84FC34gJbPvl6zuR +GtGo3BVVA6V4dRyh+Y0lWH3OG7j4BW7q9HTVWuJI+WRiHeXI4OzSSPTzWAAWu8p 02AxYzrXUgweVblwntlwcolt7uqZyuJuqTu593ooXhqs9WJmPyLx8t6RCg2C74xM cxhAGw4JQm2KKElVSynLe6pRzezS04d2ZXPiYzCRmG+f3IUmW9rFuyKTit5l8Ktj tpntbpvwxf5LjkI6KjB1ITI1cRqqse5DJ3SstPpO9TzW8BIkJnk9ZZlTa1uTwhuG KjSbp6FBSZO/aP62WxgwDx/SxyVAEh/PCvqyVWqi4POKc4Z95Nmq/lKA3w3Sowh1 8H+6KyT9hi+l+ist7/RIv7n7kPr71dSd30M/UQKPWTGsKPpKbCSRrZXJWZUwD++L NvMNLYXrvzZota2xMpkVls6uowzIRGJKrMk+D7pWtP6daspNTuLWZ3d3nlJT3EPY JzH01goKwPurB0I5MLAY =+bXl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Wed Dec 2 17:39:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45171A3F0D7; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 17:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from superbisquit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x243.google.com (mail-vk0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F095B1243; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from superbisquit@gmail.com) Received: by vkca188 with SMTP id a188so2546650vkc.1; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 09:39:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fz5J5j39PUi8np3IesmrtrsjRftFSWBXtdLgUVzOpwk=; b=0pyet/eBN5NA6BxGik1nV2Ual8jWdilbylNG85IMw760MVrdvxhssqxvJtf1DdeP46 SzLte8bQhY+efJsTNZgFCON7kLPwfH90YqgBwEW88yM0RmmCbWJ7x90i7AT9a2fC3VUb 8RfvSlI43rxomZ7trLytYMGjR4nTQhPoDkj37361DWrmUp0LmF4if23DKAQlpUpTWffS h8MIi7ap8PsVQUg5BSv2sZ8hbVLP8k0oOPkKvMB76nZ4P5C5kK799+5thQaqfkHKxbG4 haY/Br2HBdM8/Kbr0CUv0TSUtMVl0iHvah3Sbjc1KldAEO1y3GXinMUCEfNz1mOSpNV2 QoPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.49.147 with SMTP id x141mr3014324vkx.1.1449077940848; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 09:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.9.195 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 09:39:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: A proposal and a challenge From: Joe Nosay To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML , Eric Oyen , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "www@openbsd.org" , Bill Buros , vinux-support@googlegroups.com, "SELCommunityAffairs@am.sony.com" , SCA_CSR@sonyusa.com, "qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" , Torfinn Ingolfsen , Debian powerpc Mailinglist , Juergen Lock , outro.pessoa@gmail.com, Paul Davis , team@powerpc-notebook.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:25:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:39:02 -0000 I know that everyone is familiar with the one laptop per child program; and, that is good. Let's take it one step further. The debian team wants to build a powerpc laptop. FreeBSD is working on the POWER8 with the PPC team. The problem is convincing IBM to publicly open the CPU for a good purpose. What's the sale's pitch? Let it be for education. Four operating systems on a single machine - the apm layout is capable of doing it with a boot, main, and swap. That's only twelve spaces used. Yes, it can be concentrated down to 64 GB. What can be done with it? It's a POWER machine, load-store, learn. 64 bit. How many free registers usually? About five? Yes? Enough for one application. Two would do for the application and system. Let's make it real. Two chips. Four processors each. Running about 2.0 to 2.25 GHz. Let the kernel match that. Debian at 1Khz - unless someone can do a patch to make the kernel go the necessary mile. Open and Net BSD have their own thing; so, this is for FreeBSD for the kernel rate. Latency should match frequency. GRUB should be able to handle four options on a screen. Oh, Open graphics and sound. Accessibility. Development. Creativity. Show it. Let them know what it can do. Sound. Music. Art. Design. Programming. Let them see it from the start to finish. Make it affordable. For students, children, people to learn. All of you can do this. Why not me? I am not able to afford it. Yet, the rest of you are able to do such. It will pay for itself and you know it. Don't reply, just think on it. You know my requirements: Don't pay me, just do it. And respect. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to read this. Enjoy life. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Wed Dec 2 19:13:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC23A3E414; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 19:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from mail.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (mail.csclub.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.134.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559921B4A; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 19:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.134.17]) by mail.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DCC22DD20; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:05:53 -0500 From: "Lennart Sorensen" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:05:53 -0500 To: Joe Nosay Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML , Eric Oyen , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "www@openbsd.org" , Bill Buros , vinux-support@googlegroups.com, "SELCommunityAffairs@am.sony.com" , SCA_CSR@sonyusa.com, "qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" , Torfinn Ingolfsen , Debian powerpc Mailinglist , Juergen Lock , outro.pessoa@gmail.com, Paul Davis , team@powerpc-notebook.org Subject: Re: A proposal and a challenge Message-ID: <20151202190553.GC25177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 19:33:30 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 19:13:10 -0000 On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 12:39:00PM -0500, Joe Nosay wrote: > I know that everyone is familiar with the one laptop per child program; > and, that is good. Let's take it one step further. The debian team wants to > build a powerpc laptop. FreeBSD is working on the POWER8 with the PPC team. > The problem is convincing IBM to publicly open the CPU for a good purpose. > What's the sale's pitch? Let it be for education. Do you know what the power consumption of a POWER8 chip is? > Four operating systems on a single machine - the apm layout is capable of > doing it with a boot, main, and swap. That's only twelve spaces used. > Yes, it can be concentrated down to 64 GB. > What can be done with it? > It's a POWER machine, load-store, learn. ARM and MIPS are load-store machines too, and usually much cheaper and more power friendly. Sure powerpc has 32 registers and arm only has 16, but so what? That's what each core has and many things have multiple cores these days. Mips has 32 as well. > 64 bit. How many free registers usually? About five? Yes? > Enough for one application. Two would do for the application and system. > Let's make it real. Two chips. Four processors each. > Running about 2.0 to 2.25 GHz. ARM chips certainly exist that are 64bit and run that kind of speeds. Not sure what speeds mips are at these days but it has had 64bit versions for a long time. > Let the kernel match that. Debian at 1Khz - unless someone can do a patch > to make the kernel go the necessary mile. > Open and Net BSD have their own thing; so, this is for FreeBSD for the > kernel rate. Latency should match frequency. I have no idea what BSD has to do with this, but then again I am not sure what you are even trying to describe. Besides have you heard of kvm? Virtual machines are a commodity these days and simple to do. > GRUB should be able to handle four options on a screen. > > Oh, Open graphics and sound. > Accessibility. Development. Creativity. > Show it. > > Let them know what it can do. > > Sound. Music. > > Art. Design. > > Programming. > > Let them see it from the start to finish. > > > Make it affordable. > > For students, children, people to learn. > > All of you can do this. > > Why not me? > > I am not able to afford it. > > Yet, the rest of you are able to do such. > > It will pay for itself and you know it. Well OLPC certainly seems to have been a flop done by someone without a clue what actual problems needed to be solved. > Don't reply, just think on it. > > You know my requirements: Don't pay me, just do it. > > > And respect. > > > > Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to read this. > Enjoy life. I wish it had made sense what I read, but it did not. -- Len Sorensen From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Thu Dec 3 11:58:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90453A40410; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [188.252.31.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "puchar.net", Issuer "puchar.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F1D1D7E; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id tB3BPLiB079798 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:25:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from laptop.wojtek.intra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by laptop.wojtek.intra (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id tB3BPP3H005262; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:25:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by laptop.wojtek.intra (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id tB3BPFLF005259; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:25:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) X-Authentication-Warning: laptop.wojtek.intra: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:25:15 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@laptop.wojtek.intra To: Joe Nosay cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML , Eric Oyen , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "www@openbsd.org" , Bill Buros , vinux-support@googlegroups.com, "SELCommunityAffairs@am.sony.com" , SCA_CSR@sonyusa.com, "qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" , Torfinn Ingolfsen , Debian powerpc Mailinglist , Juergen Lock , outro.pessoa@gmail.com, Paul Davis , team@powerpc-notebook.org Subject: Re: A proposal and a challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (puchar.net [10.0.1.1]); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:25:22 +0100 (CET) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:14:34 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:58:13 -0000 > I know that everyone is familiar with the one laptop per child program; > and, that is good. Really? Poor children, make them poorer. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Thu Dec 3 14:44:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A74A3F3AB; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cym224@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1818A1039; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cym224@gmail.com) Received: by wmeo63 with SMTP id o63so4283738wme.2; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:44:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZTObLQ4CZ/mbui/SThlmqkW+ypI2kSwlhsbFcvGeiag=; b=tka5ZMu0IzeLxCXMvso8RDRMZBPRBkcmQGUCEsxt1Gp/bSoggY2wLo2IKD8v0C65DT 687kZ0srUYMgh5YDUT64vjOLqCmaS0JrhGJJUtckOaxKYS3PtOjXrDydPUMZYH4DNc6R 5o6tzTBP6qWttW5qQ+gdrENVuVKp+Oc99+m74Sg7zxcTp2KozWcdwztWPZuzp2pvQZNK mngj5A0kNTirkNl/o3p66NMQXpypwuyuZfWrDGmd/lBRYMDVO2mUEKY3lfsi2Vk2Mpqi KaqIJzDqGoG8ViTxqIQrxoUEwDCk8BtY+QTs5gxXIce/6BOnbLjS/DQqdIlR/jFMAFMP OpRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.210.74 with SMTP id j71mr12408058wmg.96.1449153857477; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.107.13 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 06:44:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A proposal and a challenge From: Nemo To: Joe Nosay Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML , Eric Oyen , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "www@openbsd.org" , Bill Buros , vinux-support@googlegroups.com, "SELCommunityAffairs@am.sony.com" , SCA_CSR@sonyusa.com, "qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" , Torfinn Ingolfsen , Debian powerpc Mailinglist , Juergen Lock , outro.pessoa@gmail.com, Paul Davis , team@powerpc-notebook.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 15:18:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:44:19 -0000 On 2 December 2015 at 12:39, Joe Nosay wrote (in part): > The problem is convincing IBM to publicly open the CPU for a good purpose. OpenPower, perhaps? N.