From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 7 01:39:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1721751; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 01:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0092.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.110.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EC39617; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 01:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DM2PR0801MB0944.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (25.160.131.27) by DM2PR0801MB0941.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (25.160.131.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.19; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 01:39:36 +0000 Received: from DM2PR0801MB0944.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.131.27]) by DM2PR0801MB0944.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.131.27]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 01:39:36 +0000 From: "Pokala, Ravi" To: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers Digest, Vol 624, Issue 6 Thread-Topic: freebsd-hackers Digest, Vol 624, Issue 6 Thread-Index: AQHQbs7nb+BJ+JZOnU2SEAlzbl2XMJ1AVHyA Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 01:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-originating-ip: [64.80.217.3] authentication-results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0801MB0941; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(164054003)(10533003)(18543002)(122556002)(46102003)(66066001)(40100003)(450100001)(19580405001)(36756003)(92566002)(77156002)(87936001)(2950100001)(86362001)(2656002)(54356999)(76176999)(106116001)(83506001)(2900100001)(99286002)(2501003)(50986999)(512954002)(102836002)(19580395003)(62966003)(107886001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR0801MB0941; H:DM2PR0801MB0944.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:DM2PR0801MB0941; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR0801MB0941; x-forefront-prvs: 0539EEBD11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27496F200A9CF9458AA43B2C6FD73EE3@namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: panasas.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Apr 2015 01:39:35.4426 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: acf01c9d-c699-42af-bdbb-44bf582e60b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR0801MB0941 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 01:39:47 -0000 >Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 02:28:46 +0000 >From: "Pokala, Ravi" >To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" >Subject: Booting off NVMe using traditional bootstrap? >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > >Hi folks, > >Does anyone know off-hand if it's possible to boot (amd64) off of an NVMe >device using the traditional bootstrap code (i.e. *not* UEFI)? > >Thanks, > >Ravi Naturally, someone pointed out the obvious idea - put /boot on a USB stick and boot off that. As silly as it sounds, we've had trouble doing that in the past - USB hiccups caused '/' to disappear, and hilarity ensued. Nothing like an expensive server going offline because a $10 component failed. :-P Though I suppose in the past we were putting all of '/' on the USB, not just '/boot'... So, how little can we get away with putting on the USB? For it to have '/boot', doesn't that mean it also has have '/'? Or else, how would it recognize that the 'boot' directory on the USB was actually '/boot'? Doing this (minimal bootstrap on one device, everything else on other devices) seems like it should be documented, but a quick trip to Google and to freebsd.org don't reveal anything obvious. Any pointers? Thanks, Ravi From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 8 05:49:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A644FD4; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x235.google.com (mail-ie0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47F70C4A; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iebrs15 with SMTP id rs15so65795804ieb.3; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9K+RY+DXlRLDtVWHQquUzdUyNmFntAff8DL0JaprQcQ=; b=FdoHFzxF+Nuo9g4Fa9mvQj/7av/8zIYoRTcvwL9FHayw+5EqJ5qKQuoIVHOQonHQ51 mRtkHpjAZaPL8EBLKFZS55qKpAzWl7Wx42DX2WEyAmfalTLmqK5dLWmnbqUI24YJ7hLN 5TXwcBsDv6UCJG4TXWZR1dPjt0AB1UJGU0ZHkpOt/A0z25D/6jC5+7BPdl8S+cRDRm1O datCMazYaceA+MX1EJ1e104IZtdN1Kjws8RWS59qjSdCyzRQOGmJTYIsP7bqbupo6e9a EKCt1w4t2z79OzB2Uwm4rIzWB+DmJYC99itEd5Ba8M66OM2Fowrh3nSEvUFNx2VC4TfG SvRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.6.84 with SMTP id 81mr14332845iog.52.1428472164666; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.51.76 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> References: <02F3A553C174554DA1D5EC7CEE9BDDD7011BC3E42B@loki.lvc.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 01:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoned Commands ZBC/ZAC, Shingled SMR drives, ZFS From: grarpamp To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD FS X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 05:49:25 -0000 The only 8T SATA options are: 8T for $675 ($84.38/T) 0F23267, 7.4W max (8k q1) 8T for $270 ($33.75/T) ST8000AS0002, 8.66W max (rand read) For TB/$ or TB/RU there is no comparison, particularly for "archive" uses. Going further: 6T for $250 ($41.67/T) 5T for $200 ($40.00/T) 4T for $140 ($35.00/T) 3T for $100 ($33.33/T) go any smaller and the dollar, RU, and watt all fail to yield. For other comparison: SSD: 1T SSD $350 ($350.00/T) Tape (excl drives and changers): 10T 3592JD $410 ($41.00/T) 2.5T LTO6 $23 ($17.20/T) 1.5T LTO5 $23 ($15.33/T) The DM drive seems priced reasonably given 8T is largest drive on market. Prices on same density always go down, storage density always goes up with a new price attached. SMR is the first real example of a "feature" drive. Want to guess where the 8T and 10T HA (performance mitigatable) drives will price out? usb-to-sata bridge not working... There are stories both ways, none of them really trustable. Doesn't matter now that the second batch of native SATA drives is out. The StorageReview tests were made with the drives in a NAS box. The tests have obvious caveats depending on your usage. A generic raid-1 rebuild is theory equivalent to a whole disk sequential dd. The drive spec says you will see avg 150MB/s (~15hr) for that. SR's NAS is obviously not doing a generic raid-1 rebuild there. The tech path is "drive managed" --> "host managed" --> "host aware", better performance mitigation on the right. Developers can get DM and HA drives from Seagate. My posts from Feb 26th and Mar 2nd have bunch of info links. In the links find statements like these: "ZAC and ZBC command sets cover both Host Aware (HA) and Host Managed (HM) devices. SMR drives are expected to saturate the HDD market over the coming years. Without this modification (ZBC command support), HM will NOT work with traditional filesystems. With this modification, HA will demonstrate performance and determinism -- as found in non-SMR drives -- in traditional & new applications." "Seagate manufactures and supports SMR Drive Managed (DM) and SMR Host Aware (HA) drives. Seagate does not currently manufacture SMR Host Managed (HM) drives. Seagate has 2 drives shipping that are SMR-DM. Seagate's new 8TB Archive HDD v2 drive is SMR-HA." Another link: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/vault http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/SMR%20in%20Linux%20Systems%20-%20Vault.pdf Bottom line is that SMR and related tech is here to stay as the next step in bulk storage and cannot be ignored. http://ceph.com/ http://www.mkomo.com/cost-per-gigabyte-update From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 06:44:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE80D53; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 06:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 482B2EA6; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 06:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iedfl3 with SMTP id fl3so105344355ied.1; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 23:44:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JYk8lUOiZHKmJ55BuGQzbW7T13Q3onHqq2O9LKfdLP0=; b=fYC6zVafLcG67j2nfsjRFZpZQrzVSuZ6RUvFaXcOtPTdpEyMErDf7KVBaKx+Ycp2aa eofZuqttTCVofkXH+C5tTaV/K0GJPfMMLUSzwh2tS7k7ZN3HXyJDJcdlM16tYekhVXLI ju71IZjEqh9TW/vOAPzjClHzCGIACEfK5bJGBN/K9KtTW8GrX0jzLF1aa2qZZC+ZZtzY /5yZrS4qqbWErc7nTcJZBd5fVGv7mTtuWp5U9uslcqUsAveW9qcA0YiaZTHBeACRgrOt 2O5SmEe0KiMpeftwKVtzZ0O6cSB+dF2wPKG6FaG9L0+o9iqEyblGahw4IEVwBPbHB4Sm xnMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.91.10 with SMTP id n10mr38138208icm.23.1428561898628; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 23:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.51.76 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 23:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 02:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: X11/DRM and Haswell Xeon E3-1276v3 From: grarpamp To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 06:44:59 -0000 Hello. Is there a status or community status/development/CFT wiki pages [?] regarding support of integrated graphics on Intel chips such as the Haswell Xeon E3-1276v3 P4600 (or P4700 as the case may be with this series) in 2-D mode, aka: native 3840x2160@60Hz DisplayPort 1.2? With any additional displays pursuant to the digital and analog capabilities of the chipset? ie: xeon-e3-1200v3-vol-1-datasheet.pdf Could see people using this with just X11, xterms and 2-D apps like plain old Firefox for a good workstation with.... Acer B326HK BenQ BL3201PH SAMSUNG U32D970Q but heard support for the on-die graphics was iffy or nonexistant yet? Any successes? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 10 04:46:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CE3879B; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 04:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-x232.google.com (mail-qk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7DBE24F; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 04:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkgx75 with SMTP id x75so14028155qkg.1; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 21:46:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=yfU5Fyi/OPhkBJnTeLErzNyyUJESZfHeu9K62+5RBbw=; b=oba1eOeXX7U93KTtJMdp7659Y796T3DFmXZTqob0VlBWTQpwwduugbEG3Q5ysssLuU H/AV706Ag7uK0/JYcZMKFMdd2VDkVXvakPJHAwhZBsBf1qYXz/Os42UjqXLJ/50I73DQ 3lvBYvflxQjRkpL3AZ8mCz/EXlwhbbaov7danxSugVDw1x7pyGCl4B05rc4aBYnhKwuQ tUR4G0A9k+3m/70EArwV9o96UUt/1lUPoNGLSmqH7DxathOqpNZ0ygFB8CO1YfYdD2Sj l82eQr20KoQdXHfwK2dZy/lSmDT4dk5QVYrMCtc5qa4Ljc5Mbtttq5MB6BOobk+Bz1sf TBtg== X-Received: by 10.182.87.8 with SMTP id t8mr43367532obz.35.1428641206922; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 21:46:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.101.227 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 21:46:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Fervent Dissent Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:46:26 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: X11/DRM and Haswell Xeon E3-1276v3 To: grarpamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 04:46:48 -0000 I use Haswell with chromium with hdmi. 2d works, but for randr. It stopped recently in current and left me with very small xterm fonts. Webgl games may crash the browser. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, grarpamp wrote: > Hello. Is there a status or community status/development/CFT > wiki pages [?] regarding support of integrated graphics on Intel > chips such as the Haswell Xeon E3-1276v3 P4600 (or P4700 > as the case may be with this series) in 2-D mode, aka: native > 3840x2160@60Hz DisplayPort 1.2? With any additional displays > pursuant to the digital and analog capabilities of the chipset? > ie: xeon-e3-1200v3-vol-1-datasheet.pdf > > Could see people using this with just X11, xterms and 2-D > apps like plain old Firefox for a good workstation with.... > Acer B326HK > BenQ BL3201PH > SAMSUNG U32D970Q > but heard support for the on-die graphics was iffy or nonexistant > yet? Any successes? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " >