From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 02:57:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48073822 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com (mail-we0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1963EEE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id k48so42478167wev.9 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:57:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ac4xzmLQywmeDCEi1H2iasJanegbb+mUv671I696L7Q=; b=s5EYqr/LbFHoyWxZTJXhSTBy8BFjMZAb6ds/Pokb+2WSvH0NLiUTmUHRXF/9vkvrMJ //gGGL9/WnRFHR0/q1rZLFvw+dcS7BapcZgAlegagD2DGhaxlml/TF1JVdiaP4JWrUiZ 66HMJLRLQMS8LeOB81qwrrKlgoI9pY7kfoyZSI+SptY0NnupIfpFctM5PHcCBa20RnBb 4r+cQ5fUV4CY7L/hxRrEIsGbjPVb5Ht03gQApB8j798gSj9s7Ww3Jr2F7BPbC/NyRHxB LfBwpPk0qa63/1bL0JFSbTofr2jpYm7c0cMKWl8OfEg+CcB3FQ6U56Ne/p2W4n4WiKnO 6X2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.184.41 with SMTP id er9mr50012497wjc.23.1422932222009; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:57:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 02:57:04 -0000 Hi, I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the time I left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't even look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using Solaris because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its applications just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly just employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and seeing all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the extreme pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. (I didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of doing things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer because It's not a PC? I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no avail. Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on how to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng for sparc. Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how I can help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't have to be manually-wrought. "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking tmux!" jake From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 04:35:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2129EDC for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8436CBE9 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id EF64A56163; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:35:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:35:08 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Jacob Ritorto Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness Message-ID: <20150203043508.GA28382@lonesome.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:35:10 -0000 I'm thinking of putting together an unofficial package repo. (I no longer have an official FreeBSD "hat".) So far, about 6k packages built on 10.1. I don't think I can build on all the releases. mcl From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 04:42:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 405287E for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A05B3CA1 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ge10so48018848lab.10 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:42:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=uQYo8ICm8Lo1zGvhrGm+B89JKvhOAc3S2eX4U06DVDE=; b=kbIR9A2DJdusevoAVIh4csW+KZMJOlZzZkVCcBVROy5DTG6y24Fq0cy34OcW4XN5y/ I8Q/FzFwoLJOn6ZnGLuF+4qda3ZrTS4ShnrjFHmq9/UeftywmpMteRrtcVLbRPq0yIn9 0ku6AuIkLUW886m+KdkiQ8hp9Xnnec919KvrI5B2OXqTEcsz5TPTURonqHdLzrnaAhjE uoh2Z6z6NlBG19i/GG7hctR2ZQ1ZrFB8r0G7Ens3RjW1bsK1xVJmOd9LWZ8InCKv2ngM AWkDobUMjEPgYRwxXJL65aXo5YoMT/S+2ty7tImspD0DBcfwkK9uDyp6gvsNRvWisdp0 sDzw== X-Received: by 10.112.72.197 with SMTP id f5mr22347761lbv.21.1422938558393; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:42:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.9 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:41:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zenxyzzy Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:41:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness To: Jacob Ritorto , freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:42:41 -0000 There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and everything. XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. plus source. plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. get it from opensxce.org --curt On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Hi, > I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm > pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the time I > left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't even > look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using Solaris > because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not > supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its applications > just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. > > I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly just > employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and seeing > all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. > > I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the extreme > pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, > unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. (I > didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the > network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and > installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! > Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of doing > things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. > > But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer > because It's not a PC? > > I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no avail. > Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? > > If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on how > to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng for > sparc. > > Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how I can > help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a > trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't have > to be manually-wrought. > > "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking > tmux!" > jake > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 04:51:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED555110 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76336D67 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id x12so42393238wgg.7 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K6Z72I6KrG/Hj8AuHRNyciO0uG2d13a9EtxKUULHWo4=; b=RkN7bRJwnxkBVVLGs0t/oiBYFA6I6GnnlJcdEwyrPqse6999GhZjhFoafXdSyNDdQ9 m2MA207usXnxrHtrrf6bYkx821ULrTPK+0+8KtVIPctrIuJtvV5IkCvpRDtUFwjHqrht LigD7JoEAmvE22wMa9g6Z+Dr2o55VwOE4AP5qrvUillIaKhDeD8O0fia2U8SXTTnffr0 4qvJ/ljw1d+10yyPa6jaTKFanmFJs+kE8sEs2U+44jRncPPXVMDejhnH0tVBloS5hgFB KSMj6+PYodwwrP6mujZ5hpBu7uYiTI3BIQKVFPPe+1I6OcFYR3iOvuk0wuPcAZkJeq2l XtEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.68 with SMTP id jq4mr42910690wjc.128.1422939076162; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:51:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: zenxyzzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:51:26 -0000 Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - he pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was no recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another go now that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way for me to load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ thx jake On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. > > OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity for > Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and everything. > XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched it > for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. > > plus source. > > plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. > > get it from opensxce.org > > --curt > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm >> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the time >> I >> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't even >> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using >> Solaris >> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not >> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its applications >> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >> >> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly just >> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and seeing >> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >> >> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the extreme >> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, >> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. (I >> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the >> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and >> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of doing >> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >> >> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer >> because It's not a PC? >> >> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no avail. >> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >> >> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on how >> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng for >> sparc. >> >> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how I >> can >> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >> trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't >> have >> to be manually-wrought. >> >> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking >> tmux!" >> jake >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 05:12:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2223238B for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82F67F1A for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id s18so48186426lam.5 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:12:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=CZXg89amxpdmptqhE7DK9XNZd2HShkVoRaSdG4zycms=; b=i6PaxR3xDOYIka7Sw3Ccu/bAtgLUhKs7JPeo06EATGcIJhppcMcPeEjI0kF1nXo6zS mRspocClrs2srumKcFR8lV4UG22tnDhMEGW7qu70I9Xft6NmAmvAs9YThf877DZmc0aJ 8JAkMws9ssqSW5s1i7uwuxoThLdpRZ7dKkuOaevWAir7sRizzFChjJyRoJfShNuyaFws ARbdV4a2LcoxXG7nBi8ie66CiQqsLaswAOWAwJP4yU7JmUG9YGVP1ksbmIL/qQKo+3tT 5gWUaSrUz6D9Xt7Sr89NaIALEb9UA+a4833rFQJxjj3/f9FD8w1kE70Zlcp2HWDyVfsq vd6Q== X-Received: by 10.152.4.102 with SMTP id j6mr22623791laj.95.1422940338509; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:12:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.9 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:11:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zenxyzzy Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:11:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness To: Jacob Ritorto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 05:12:21 -0000 I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be able to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have to open the ultra 5 up, though :-> --curt On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But Martin's > open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - he pulled > everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was no recourse for > the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another go now that that > appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way for me to load the > 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ > > thx > jake > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > >> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >> >> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity >> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and >> everything. >> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched it >> for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. >> >> plus source. >> >> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >> >> get it from opensxce.org >> >> --curt >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm >>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the >>> time I >>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't >>> even >>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using >>> Solaris >>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not >>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its applications >>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>> >>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly just >>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and >>> seeing >>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>> >>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the >>> extreme >>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, >>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. (I >>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the >>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and >>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of >>> doing >>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>> >>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer >>> because It's not a PC? >>> >>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no avail. >>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>> >>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on >>> how >>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng >>> for >>> sparc. >>> >>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how I >>> can >>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't >>> have >>> to be manually-wrought. >>> >>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking >>> tmux!" >>> jake >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 21:18:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6B2404 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BFE9ECE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so46852510wgh.10 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:18:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ure70NRqhLGsEkLYBjYevwgeIbx55jbfGV6xEXG+/+M=; b=hgy+8llSEZhipyFjpdTJcaxrYa2dVGOIYBrsy3U0QF9IFLNgOFJVm05LlvpTd3pNhy Vy9TRQ/lKcQvyuf5Ep2CaBITqVb3xn+/3nTTVk6rkThF9fPaJKAq+YUP3x961BHwsuIs 3XoHV2v97oUpKUnPM63NfsRCmohnLSZT+6HAqhp61L/gtv9/n+9pBLVhTKAX9stY3gfU zTByS90SY9lIT4cQ6BbxsWA9ucunff99XL7Z5LxPJTL7S3rHaSN8UfvgENENroviRDYI WLv6B984kvI8fXEt5Sn4lvf7tBYxpzxV2HWbo+KJ9bKfn6qe0rskeL8kSnHSxsrvvM1G JHRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.184.41 with SMTP id er9mr58926367wjc.23.1422998330372; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:18:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: zenxyzzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:18:52 -0000 hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but crashed and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy wrote: > I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be able to > boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have to open > the ultra 5 up, though :-> > > --curt > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto > wrote: > >> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But Martin's >> open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - he pulled >> everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was no recourse for >> the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another go now that that >> appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way for me to load the >> 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >> >> thx >> jake >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>> >>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity >>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and >>> everything. >>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched it >>> for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. >>> >>> plus source. >>> >>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>> >>> get it from opensxce.org >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm >>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the >>>> time I >>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't >>>> even >>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using >>>> Solaris >>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not >>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its applications >>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>> >>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly >>>> just >>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and >>>> seeing >>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the >>>> extreme >>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, >>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. >>>> (I >>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the >>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and >>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of >>>> doing >>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>> >>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer >>>> because It's not a PC? >>>> >>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no >>>> avail. >>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>> >>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on >>>> how >>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng >>>> for >>>> sparc. >>>> >>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how I >>>> can >>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't >>>> have >>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>> >>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking >>>> tmux!" >>>> jake >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 21:54:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84FF7EAB for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 21:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C4293A7 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 21:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id hz20so54786066lab.6 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:54:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HI5knd3gfSznq5+/seVvbydLFLfF+wfQV6EWl67IZ/E=; b=ETcG63aqo8qMNFjkvsiKGGbE9HYLzgdj+1Nl6G7djMxVUy9jnOBbOwzkLj5WymI7CK X9NEHLjOk7wZ4RvKEZoFd1fDaAGC2GZx3Tgm6ij1xw8ErqGSEOuvBfqeiFEk3i/oI2lE n4bNUMTr8ykZme0DaR7IEB8slQ7mZ+hxmZA7TzBzL/Zv5DF7FSY3IOtget2nz66k24GQ 1OJPMO6Y+1jMjt19JuIpA4EyMFWlsmyO/gfJw+nwIQKC8zaMTgOfr2AFVNHZZWMcNa3j wssAsP+h9MGEjlyohZ+gkxtnVvN1m7zJQjcJOePbt70BwtkMOllioWQKkiWJ8rBAt9L0 uzQQ== X-Received: by 10.112.27.173 with SMTP id u13mr20139219lbg.7.1423000450857; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:54:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.9 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:53:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zenxyzzy Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness To: Jacob Ritorto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:54:13 -0000 I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, bumping it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy drive. later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I got room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. --curt On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but crashed > and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to > ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy wrote: > >> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be able to >> boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have to open >> the ultra 5 up, though :-> >> >> --curt >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto >> wrote: >> >>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But Martin's >>> open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - he pulled >>> everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was no recourse for >>> the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another go now that that >>> appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way for me to load the >>> 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>> >>> thx >>> jake >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>> >>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>> >>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity >>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and >>>> everything. >>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched it >>>> for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. >>>> >>>> plus source. >>>> >>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>> >>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>> >>>> --curt >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm >>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the >>>>> time I >>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't >>>>> even >>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using >>>>> Solaris >>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not >>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>>> applications >>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>>> >>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly >>>>> just >>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and >>>>> seeing >>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the >>>>> extreme >>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, >>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the morning. >>>>> (I >>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the >>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and >>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of >>>>> doing >>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>>> >>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer >>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>>> >>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no >>>>> avail. >>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>>> >>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around on >>>>> how >>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to pkgng >>>>> for >>>>> sparc. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how >>>>> I can >>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that doesn't >>>>> have >>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>>> >>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking >>>>> tmux!" >>>>> jake >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 23:24:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 034B23DB for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF6BE52 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so47307100wgh.10 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:24:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ALozlXJ2XS9zStNs6+kpDCD/E31FrqOUTsEz1JaSs1U=; b=UhEQNZ+dG4S1BpkZdi+NclwJtQF39hwUo2M5imcwcBQcLVZnrpk6rq5mD/J9xuSdcJ D3zTkFkwwu5pguoc3LE2M1U+/Ot6yjeC+FwsVwGBMikQvlGbBY/ENPqqOXdq+PmNqNlY 5pFfrheixbphKbA5iW3eWrdIxtxpy2nu0K956HR97Ek9phiiTCHBnbbwx2xxzA3EmWDQ GPKogSFvCZGtetkh0za5bMGGGpYbIz/pXft8TieXylHl0/xgZ/VYfagQrh2FzhN6KEte u1BDVye1T4jza3YZVrxsZueQxg0+x2XWWPnf4OIScik0kULpkJoVanBY78+nd5Ui5xVe PrEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.68 with SMTP id jq4mr51801644wjc.128.1423005861030; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 15:24:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 18:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: zenxyzzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:24:23 -0000 really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible even with the weird tall sticks? On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, bumping > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy drive. > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I got > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. > > --curt > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto > wrote: > >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but crashed >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be able >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have to >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - he >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was no >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another go now >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way for me to >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>>> >>>> thx >>>> jake >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of stupidity >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and >>>>> everything. >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinched >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off or down. >>>>> >>>>> plus source. >>>>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>>> >>>>> --curt >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I'm >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around the >>>>>> time I >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; doesn't >>>>>> even >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop using >>>>>> Solaris >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of not >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>>>> applications >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; mostly >>>>>> just >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it and >>>>>> seeing >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the >>>>>> extreme >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>>>>> morning. (I >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built the >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac and >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way of >>>>>> doing >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>>>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real computer >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no >>>>>> avail. >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>>>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read around >>>>>> on how >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to >>>>>> pkgng for >>>>>> sparc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and how >>>>>> I can >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >>>>>> doesn't have >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of freaking >>>>>> tmux!" >>>>>> jake >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 23:30:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5783B48A for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x22f.google.com (mail-qc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06094EA1 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id c9so38111551qcz.6 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:30:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1takDN/Hr1NZs8W7g/tTcdjj5n0xUmWJCaFNJyPA6fs=; b=Xa7dcCxu0jdTx5/jNj9mYlLsZ2IEgngQ5nMMnHhxQcBq/Dij9NxeyZRyiVDPml6i4X xFZCKEUx6wfrQvLiiwlSyqBCuSVnlBMTFYAUxgEpGlKOY1gvDlPBbb9aDHfK4Sk49T/R 7ec5haNLGd8AcaB5ySEVn7nWPcLjpXAKjXx3VmzXc5Q9TeBG8tXpxctR6MMhDCN7sC+G HlGBAunnJUNVeS8hhLcLIAu77igGLd8UHAeRmisKu8lxhhrxPaeROJNZ1O0rtnVJaD51 iIFWS6jOV7NJOOubqpDfEVDNm4UkI2GcXfhfnHsEhPycv95hrnePLyVWp3rYB/IuHMeA VwJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.55.71 with SMTP id t7mr58503275qag.53.1423006230127; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.177.97 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 15:30:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 00:30:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Torsten Kirschner To: Jacob Ritorto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:30:31 -0000 No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB was that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied by the floppy drive. Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 MB each. The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto f=C3=B8lgende: > really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible ev= en > with the weird tall sticks? > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy > wrote: > > > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, bumpi= ng > > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy > drive. > > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I got > > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. > > > > --curt > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto > > > wrote: > > > >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but > crashed > >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to > >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy > wrote: > >> > >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be abl= e > >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have = to > >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> > >>> > >>> --curt > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But > >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - = he > >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was n= o > >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another > go now > >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way fo= r > me to > >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ > >>>> > >>>> thx > >>>> jake > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. > >>>>> > >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of > stupidity > >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and > >>>>> everything. > >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinche= d > >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off > or down. > >>>>> > >>>>> plus source. > >>>>> > >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. > >>>>> > >>>>> get it from opensxce.org > >>>>> > >>>>> --curt > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < > jacob.ritorto@gmail.com > >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and I= 'm > >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around t= he > >>>>>> time I > >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; > doesn't > >>>>>> even > >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop usin= g > >>>>>> Solaris > >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of no= t > >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its > >>>>>> applications > >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; most= ly > >>>>>> just > >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it an= d > >>>>>> seeing > >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had the > >>>>>> extreme > >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which, > >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the > >>>>>> morning. (I > >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead built > the > >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac an= d > >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old > >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! > >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way = of > >>>>>> doing > >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real comput= er > >>>>>> because It's not a PC? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to no > >>>>>> avail. > >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read aroun= d > >>>>>> on how > >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to > >>>>>> pkgng for > >>>>>> sparc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and > how > >>>>>> I can > >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a > >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that > >>>>>> doesn't have > >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of > freaking > >>>>>> tmux!" > >>>>>> jake > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 01:30:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69F4F7B6 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 01:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFD07E2E for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 01:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id hv19so55370349lab.13 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=ObOSU7udbQ0TixY/jj6S3eTnMkMezDUOP6R+uGwr3aQ=; b=O5v4jWDwEAikJWS86tkZHSl47lCJvHE64R4FqtMhmYkdug4Dj0JmQvVHKa7+TChzug 2mNWVk9oZFqXQCX55jRdbF0k67on1REjmuTrCBW4412FNuzG76i0PvHQVH90uTMzhoAd TDscrCsnmAt4Ib8wd/W/24/JMNRLTd9lPk7b63+b6t0KJD9XcPqJjP95nRmZNnWMmVt/ 6yOBJj87ATBBN4mxbOX4XeRgSxHDM4ox1g4VaTvmew8gXh5kKUK8vTbFdiHQNzyEnUy9 4Uqe6BsuT+AuDHJO0TMe9NPT/G8KypEVjlmdi2idBC8Kj84Dr3Xgy3qc9g4ZnTK+PHD+ KQUA== X-Received: by 10.112.220.36 with SMTP id pt4mr541823lbc.15.1423013433565; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.9 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:29:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zenxyzzy Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:29:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness To: Torsten Kirschner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 01:30:36 -0000 it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, but hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did fry one 440 mhz cpu that way. --curt On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: > No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB was > that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied by the > floppy drive. > Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 MB > each. > The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. > > Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto > f=C3=B8lgende: > > really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible ev= en >> with the weird tall sticks? >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >> bumping >> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy >> drive. >> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I go= t >> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >> > >> > --curt >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto >> > wrote: >> > >> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >> crashed >> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to >> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be ab= le >> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd have >> to >> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >> >>> >> >>> --curt >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago - >> he >> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was = no >> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth another >> go now >> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way >> for me to >> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >> >>>> >> >>>> thx >> >>>> jake >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >> stupidity >> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS and >> >>>>> everything. >> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this clinch= ed >> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan off >> or down. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> plus source. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --curt >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and >> I'm >> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around >> the >> >>>>>> time I >> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >> doesn't >> >>>>>> even >> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop usi= ng >> >>>>>> Solaris >> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of n= ot >> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >> >>>>>> applications >> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >> mostly >> >>>>>> just >> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it a= nd >> >>>>>> seeing >> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had th= e >> >>>>>> extreme >> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (which= , >> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >> >>>>>> morning. (I >> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead buil= t >> the >> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac a= nd >> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this way >> of >> >>>>>> doing >> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >> computer >> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to n= o >> >>>>>> avail. >> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read arou= nd >> >>>>>> on how >> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to >> >>>>>> pkgng for >> >>>>>> sparc. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right and >> how >> >>>>>> I can >> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >> >>>>>> doesn't have >> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >> freaking >> >>>>>> tmux!" >> >>>>>> jake >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g >> " >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 01:43:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA3B9969 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 01:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x235.google.com (mail-la0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44AE2F14 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 01:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id gq15so55593793lab.12 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=r5bcHAIy50edMYriDk9wPJVIe+ul3MiFjjmRfxoLmSc=; b=OMi3CAKO0/VBmvvzMAxQlVlCLAogNrVZ6WCfZjMHYsIlQN/N0ye97tdkryAStEdvnl hrXLmrF9WMCAMfGu8Rr27VKjlafe7Ou6JjSeP2uOr/79koUrmJrFr1L5QKgJzVvv5Zx6 Psgg0cVlgpIJ7pVZWzwlgW1vXJKxZaDrvGJaVY0BFulemAuNzCooSZdqUJMas3WsMfy1 noOF3225TtIm08WtGl96CFgAamGes9Z1Ig2Fx5nCF9nIuLo+AFbi37vkO8w5YsEwXtSw hlpGJUOUJXuXXkUJsqgdORRdgcj79EZZs1b9QFl9gJhWVKszBTs5gPMJTgHY4NZZQAJA W8oA== X-Received: by 10.112.220.36 with SMTP id pt4mr572600lbc.15.1423014194113; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.9 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:42:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: zenxyzzy Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness To: Torsten Kirschner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 01:43:17 -0000 https://web.archive.org/web/20150204014108/http://www.ezplanet.net/xwiki/bi= n/view/KnowledgeBase/SunUltra5Overclocking --curt On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, but > hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did fry one > 440 mhz cpu that way. > > --curt > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < > torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB wa= s >> that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied by th= e >> floppy drive. >> Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 MB >> each. >> The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. >> >> Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto >> f=C3=B8lgende: >> >> really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible >>> even >>> with the weird tall sticks? >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>> >>> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >>> bumping >>> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy >>> drive. >>> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I g= ot >>> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >>> > >>> > --curt >>> > >>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto >> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >>> crashed >>> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, to >>> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy wrote= : >>> >> >>> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be >>> able >>> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd hav= e >>> to >>> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>> >>> >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago = - >>> he >>> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there was >>> no >>> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth anothe= r >>> go now >>> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way >>> for me to >>> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> thx >>> >>>> jake >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >>> stupidity >>> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS an= d >>> >>>>> everything. >>> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this >>> clinched >>> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan of= f >>> or down. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> plus source. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> --curt >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >>> >>>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hi, >>> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back and >>> I'm >>> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from around >>> the >>> >>>>>> time I >>> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >>> doesn't >>> >>>>>> even >>> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop >>> using >>> >>>>>> Solaris >>> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of >>> not >>> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>> >>>>>> applications >>> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >>> mostly >>> >>>>>> just >>> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it >>> and >>> >>>>>> seeing >>> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had t= he >>> >>>>>> extreme >>> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night (whic= h, >>> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>> >>>>>> morning. (I >>> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead >>> built the >>> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac >>> and >>> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this wa= y >>> of >>> >>>>>> doing >>> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >>> computer >>> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to = no >>> >>>>>> avail. >>> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read >>> around >>> >>>>>> on how >>> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains to >>> >>>>>> pkgng for >>> >>>>>> sparc. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right an= d >>> how >>> >>>>>> I can >>> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need a >>> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >>> >>>>>> doesn't have >>> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >>> freaking >>> >>>>>> tmux!" >>> >>>>>> jake >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 02:34:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0688225 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 02:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4256A74B for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 02:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id k11so45937231wes.2 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yZZxHxCfOkTCOpElRqZUChsBpLXP7Iu7E5VBOplj/sw=; b=Ats48v8YDL1RB4NBaiby5bfTifCkgDeMtZ3CnLGR2LmjXHkiZwz8fGRB53XbAurCqo o9e+5xjcP7Lsjgis9L+I95MiDjNHzeoPpkZy9sjQ/sQrNRwD6gmzUBmc/Tk8JuRkgxMO QI5y6fPeD33wWgAb6C6Wedonv0CPpRW5mwxSkiG4PEEHlHZbWPwg/RdSKDndeXrOc41+ +lyvatgWhe2Z352lLVgeMTzt/rTulpZ+GeWxbkcry1uAoIoyHziX4esYCbjt2DRzHskc z5VypTLY8ODL8kBupLoeU1kUKQaP+Q3Fza7ihXq1No6xcolFlNTqLia7AZJ8/DhkhrNt IF/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.103.102 with SMTP id fv6mr773677wib.80.1423017238553; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 21:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: zenxyzzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 02:34:00 -0000 hah, awesome. My 360 could reach mind-smashing speeds of, like, 396 or something D: Hmm, those 370-3799s you mentioned are $16 on ebay atm... Tempted.. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20150204014108/http://www.ezplanet.net/xwiki/= bin/view/KnowledgeBase/SunUltra5Overclocking > > --curt > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > >> it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, bu= t >> hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did fry on= e >> 440 mhz cpu that way. >> >> --curt >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < >> torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB >>> was that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied = by >>> the floppy drive. >>> Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 M= B >>> each. >>> The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. >>> >>> Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto >>> f=C3=B8lgende: >>> >>> really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible >>>> even >>>> with the weird tall sticks? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>>> >>>> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >>>> bumping >>>> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy >>>> drive. >>>> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I >>>> got >>>> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >>>> > >>>> > --curt >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >>>> crashed >>>> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, t= o >>>> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be >>>> able >>>> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd >>>> have to >>>> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> --curt >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>>> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ago >>>> - he >>>> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there wa= s >>>> no >>>> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth >>>> another go now >>>> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no way >>>> for me to >>>> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> thx >>>> >>>> jake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >>>> stupidity >>>> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS a= nd >>>> >>>>> everything. >>>> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this >>>> clinched >>>> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan >>>> off or down. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> plus source. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --curt >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back an= d >>>> I'm >>>> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from aroun= d >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> time I >>>> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >>>> doesn't >>>> >>>>>> even >>>> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop >>>> using >>>> >>>>>> Solaris >>>> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind of >>>> not >>>> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>> >>>>>> applications >>>> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >>>> mostly >>>> >>>>>> just >>>> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting it >>>> and >>>> >>>>>> seeing >>>> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> extreme >>>> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night >>>> (which, >>>> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>>> >>>>>> morning. (I >>>> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead >>>> built the >>>> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Mac >>>> and >>>> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this >>>> way of >>>> >>>>>> doing >>>> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >>>> computer >>>> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, to >>>> no >>>> >>>>>> avail. >>>> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read >>>> around >>>> >>>>>> on how >>>> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains t= o >>>> >>>>>> pkgng for >>>> >>>>>> sparc. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right >>>> and how >>>> >>>>>> I can >>>> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need = a >>>> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >>>> >>>>>> doesn't have >>>> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >>>> freaking >>>> >>>>>> tmux!" >>>> >>>>>> jake >>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 06:31:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43A22ED for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EDFFF4D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id b13so39303889qcw.9 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ebqE7IVx9/ZU6nnCQaum6kE8sKmDfQ947cRQqpHQ+5U=; b=0pfEOT1zjzewUX/rJcICyjgviBEEvylBy6UVta/KemrBhrs0PIicnSPEIq/qXIPjB5 VkvxyvvUXkpJAb0/ACquQxi//xhQOh55i03N/7o157a6Smys6+pWyyqQoHGMHjs6clAh JFNRcplyyBmu6l54T/hkfFJSHRMWfOqTraUCxnAFT+e2aszUJ0Lek3yCEpE2wM0SIneD yLqtYnY+Q8rHRjpdRctFbJyN+ZtMCrBYP4CtUdvNU/qtleuCcdvkgL5teHc6mz2850y5 LHUolEL0ojbw4PxsB3mC6WuJ58mniEpV+DR0dGlj7II05/9GTXf/1ecAwQLWztLHj/Si 8TrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.14 with SMTP id p14mr61630709qax.77.1423031467490; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.177.97 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Torsten Kirschner To: Jacob Ritorto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 06:31:08 -0000 The 360, if I recall correctly, is the one with very little cache, right? Way less than the 333 or 4(4|0)0, right? Not sure that it matters now, but the lack of a proper cache might result in severe performance penalties. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > hah, awesome. My 360 could reach mind-smashing speeds of, like, 396 or > something D: > > Hmm, those 370-3799s you mentioned are $16 on ebay atm... Tempted.. > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20150204014108/http://www.ezplanet.net/xwiki= /bin/view/KnowledgeBase/SunUltra5Overclocking >> >> --curt >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >>> it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, >>> but hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did f= ry >>> one 440 mhz cpu that way. >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < >>> torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB >>>> was that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied= by >>>> the floppy drive. >>>> Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 >>>> MB each. >>>> The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. >>>> >>>> Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto >>>> f=C3=B8lgende: >>>> >>>> really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible >>>>> even >>>>> with the weird tall sticks? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >>>>> bumping >>>>> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy >>>>> drive. >>>>> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I >>>>> got >>>>> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >>>>> > >>>>> > --curt >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >>>>> crashed >>>>> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, = to >>>>> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be >>>>> able >>>>> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd >>>>> have to >>>>> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> --curt >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>>>> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ag= o >>>>> - he >>>>> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there >>>>> was no >>>>> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth >>>>> another go now >>>>> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no wa= y >>>>> for me to >>>>> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> thx >>>>> >>>> jake >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >>>>> stupidity >>>>> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> everything. >>>>> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this >>>>> clinched >>>>> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan >>>>> off or down. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> plus source. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --curt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back >>>>> and I'm >>>>> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from >>>>> around the >>>>> >>>>>> time I >>>>> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >>>>> doesn't >>>>> >>>>>> even >>>>> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop >>>>> using >>>>> >>>>>> Solaris >>>>> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind o= f >>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>>> >>>>>> applications >>>>> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >>>>> mostly >>>>> >>>>>> just >>>>> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting i= t >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> seeing >>>>> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> extreme >>>>> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night >>>>> (which, >>>>> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>>>> >>>>>> morning. (I >>>>> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead >>>>> built the >>>>> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Ma= c >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>>> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>>> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this >>>>> way of >>>>> >>>>>> doing >>>>> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >>>>> computer >>>>> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, t= o >>>>> no >>>>> >>>>>> avail. >>>>> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read >>>>> around >>>>> >>>>>> on how >>>>> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains = to >>>>> >>>>>> pkgng for >>>>> >>>>>> sparc. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right >>>>> and how >>>>> >>>>>> I can >>>>> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need= a >>>>> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >>>>> >>>>>> doesn't have >>>>> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >>>>> freaking >>>>> >>>>>> tmux!" >>>>> >>>>>> jake >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 07:03:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 532AD65B for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C91F8359 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k14so48527841wgh.10 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:03:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JZ9gxMqQlNn2NNDb2k4hDd816XgmDNXpa6CbUfI4KQc=; b=n0QI5GOSumTaiT/B5AOHbIrjnAekKYDCWGLBMbIAgDZ4JwBCuw7W4g+f6pdV7euLiR r7zQIv9XHrWGHkPIAdvT4RJ7EiLV8a19TfCeY+9P9Bh3souX1BBXVuctVW+saZv7bOib N+zhWDJYD6lp+V9sAji2aopDP7GWxnI0nh/Bfu+MRYrOq76mlixAsrWoCYenW3s5j1E6 7bloUs8cA3o5UMfeqSpyCqUTcMN5GJN51PJBXuU7zM2NdxQFa1LV6JFzoepruAEArtAD t9OnX1jf52wjqWXA+n8pWxv4iVGENKkjlf3uBFDoTsbMz4ernKej+PD+8a4FL63YgNIr lFxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.68 with SMTP id jq4mr54848377wjc.128.1423033426894; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.93.143 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:03:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 02:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Jacob Ritorto To: Torsten Kirschner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:03:49 -0000 oh, believe me, this thing is a penalty, all right. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Torsten Kirschner < torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: > The 360, if I recall correctly, is the one with very little cache, right? > Way less than the 333 or 4(4|0)0, right? > Not sure that it matters now, but the lack of a proper cache might result > in severe performance penalties. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Jacob Ritorto > wrote: > >> hah, awesome. My 360 could reach mind-smashing speeds of, like, 396 or >> something D: >> >> Hmm, those 370-3799s you mentioned are $16 on ebay atm... Tempted.. >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150204014108/http://www.ezplanet.net/xwik= i/bin/view/KnowledgeBase/SunUltra5Overclocking >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>> >>>> it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, >>>> but hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did = fry >>>> one 440 mhz cpu that way. >>>> >>>> --curt >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < >>>> torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB >>>>> was that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupie= d by >>>>> the floppy drive. >>>>> Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 >>>>> MB each. >>>>> The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. >>>>> >>>>> Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> f=C3=B8lgende: >>>>> >>>>> really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possibl= e >>>>>> even >>>>>> with the weird tall sticks? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >>>>>> bumping >>>>>> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) flopp= y >>>>>> drive. >>>>>> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then = I >>>>>> got >>>>>> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --curt >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >>>>>> crashed >>>>>> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, >>>>>> to >>>>>> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should b= e >>>>>> able >>>>>> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd >>>>>> have to >>>>>> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> --curt >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>>>>> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months >>>>>> ago - he >>>>>> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there >>>>>> was no >>>>>> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth >>>>>> another go now >>>>>> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no >>>>>> way for me to >>>>>> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> thx >>>>>> >>>> jake >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >>>>>> stupidity >>>>>> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>> everything. >>>>>> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this >>>>>> clinched >>>>>> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan >>>>>> off or down. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> plus source. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> --curt >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back >>>>>> and I'm >>>>>> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from >>>>>> around the >>>>>> >>>>>> time I >>>>>> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >>>>>> doesn't >>>>>> >>>>>> even >>>>>> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop >>>>>> using >>>>>> >>>>>> Solaris >>>>>> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind >>>>>> of not >>>>>> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>>>> >>>>>> applications >>>>>> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >>>>>> mostly >>>>>> >>>>>> just >>>>>> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting >>>>>> it and >>>>>> >>>>>> seeing >>>>>> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I ha= d >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> extreme >>>>>> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night >>>>>> (which, >>>>>> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>>>>> >>>>>> morning. (I >>>>>> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead >>>>>> built the >>>>>> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my >>>>>> Mac and >>>>>> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>>>> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>>>> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this >>>>>> way of >>>>>> >>>>>> doing >>>>>> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design= . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >>>>>> computer >>>>>> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, >>>>>> to no >>>>>> >>>>>> avail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read >>>>>> around >>>>>> >>>>>> on how >>>>>> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> pkgng for >>>>>> >>>>>> sparc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right >>>>>> and how >>>>>> >>>>>> I can >>>>>> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they nee= d >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system tha= t >>>>>> >>>>>> doesn't have >>>>>> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >>>>>> freaking >>>>>> >>>>>> tmux!" >>>>>> >>>>>> jake >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >