From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sun Nov 20 18:27:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7CFC4CDBB for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE825F2D for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5B226199.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.34.97.153]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAKIR9Fv014455; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:27:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id uAKIR5xg014427; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:27:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id uAKIQk0T028151; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:26:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201611201826.uAKIQk0T028151@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@NetBSD.org Subject: Re: simple freebsd router for home use _&_ Re: A single-board computer for NetBSD From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:45:59 +0100." <20161118214559.GH26146@physics.muni.cz> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:26:46 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:27:20 -0000 Martin Cermak 's question is virtualy the same on at least FreeBSD & NetBSD lists (wonder if other lists were used too ?) Inefficient to leave respondents ignorant of other discussion[s] of same hardware requirement so: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2016-November/007795.html Subject: simple freebsd router for home use Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:45:59 +0100 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2016/11/19/msg019050.html Subject: A single-board computer for NetBSD Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 04:14:32 +0100 To: netbsd-users@NetBSD.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys Eng Consultant Munich Reply below, Prefix '> '. Plain text, No .doc, base64, HTML, quoted-printable. http://berklix.eu/brexit/#stolen_votes From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sun Nov 20 21:58:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF49C4C3D7 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marticak@gmail.com) Received: from minas.ics.muni.cz (minas.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "minas2.ics.muni.cz", Issuer "minas2.ics.muni.cz" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4146D07 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marticak@gmail.com) Received: from monoceros.physics.muni.cz (monoceros.physics.muni.cz [147.251.27.2]) by minas.ics.muni.cz (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id uAKLw2EL048709; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:58:03 +0100 Received: by monoceros.physics.muni.cz (Postfix, from userid 16928) id 64BE180532D1; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:58:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:58:02 +0100 From: Martin Cermak To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@NetBSD.org Subject: Re: simple freebsd router for home use _&_ Re: A single-board computer for NetBSD Message-ID: <20161120215802.GL26146@physics.muni.cz> References: <20161118214559.GH26146@physics.muni.cz> <201611201826.uAKIQk0T028151@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201611201826.uAKIQk0T028151@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Muni-Envelope-From: marticak@gmail.com X-Muni-Spam-TestIP: 147.251.27.2 X-Muni-Local-IP: yes X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (minas.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.35]); Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:58:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at minas X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:58:15 -0000 On Sun 2016-11-20 19:26 , Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Martin Cermak 's question is virtualy the same > on at least FreeBSD & NetBSD lists (wonder if other lists were used too ?) Nope, other lists weren't used, just these two. > Inefficient to leave respondents ignorant of other discussion[s] of same > hardware requirement so: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2016-November/007795.html > Subject: simple freebsd router for home use > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 22:45:59 +0100 > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2016/11/19/msg019050.html > Subject: A single-board computer for NetBSD > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 04:14:32 +0100 > To: netbsd-users@NetBSD.org > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys Eng Consultant Munich > Reply below, Prefix '> '. Plain text, No .doc, base64, HTML, quoted-printable. > http://berklix.eu/brexit/#stolen_votes Thanks, Martin From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mon Nov 21 14:32:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B2C4C625 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9207854 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-191-18-122.range86-191.btcentralplus.com [86.191.18.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uALEJHBY061612 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:19:22 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: simple freebsd router for home use To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <20161118214559.GH26146@physics.muni.cz> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:19:18 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161118214559.GH26146@physics.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:32:51 -0000 On 18/11/2016 21:45, Martin Cermak wrote: > I think of creating a simple router for home use with > FreeBSD. Just for fun. I imagine a single printed circuit board > with passive cooling, with 3+ 100+ Mbit/s ethernet ports. I used a Raspberry Pi (just for fun) doing this a few years ago. It only has one built-in Ethernet port, but I think the new ones also come with wireless Ethernet too. I can't remember whether I got a USB Ethernet adapter working with it, or whether I used an external switch and single-handed routing. Since then, ARM support for FreeBSD has gone mainstream(-ish). FreeBSD can route very happily. In reality I have on-site servers doing the routing so have no need for a separate box. Somewhat more reliable IME than the plastic box type, and you can configure them hot-standby with a simple script. Have cross-over switches to the outside world and when one server dies the other turns on. Now THAT'S fun! Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Fri Nov 25 13:46:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96D2C54D70; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:201:6350::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E2DC77; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.17.133] (unknown [89.113.128.32]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89F825C0; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:46:08 +0300 (MSK) Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org From: Lev Serebryakov Subject: Is here any work on USB Attached SCSI (UAS/UASP) support? Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: <561b3e61-0df2-0eba-24d9-7edf07a7c0ea@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:46:07 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:46:19 -0000 $subj. Don't mix it with UMASS, which is, obviously, supported for many years. I've tried to find mentions of UASP in sources (CURRENT) and find nothing, but maybe it is well-hidden? I'm asking because now I see very interesting products on market, like 5xHDD hot-swap enclosure for only $150, which uses UASP to attach to host computer. It could be nice addition to FreeBSD-based storage servers. -- // Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Fri Nov 25 14:57:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DC9C543B2; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:57:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (mail.turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:4514::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB79B3DB; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from hps2016.home.selasky.org (unknown [62.141.129.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA0291FE024; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:57:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Is here any work on USB Attached SCSI (UAS/UASP) support? To: lev@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org References: <561b3e61-0df2-0eba-24d9-7edf07a7c0ea@FreeBSD.org> From: Hans Petter Selasky Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:57:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <561b3e61-0df2-0eba-24d9-7edf07a7c0ea@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:57:55 -0000 On 11/25/16 14:46, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > > $subj. Don't mix it with UMASS, which is, obviously, supported for many > years. I've tried to find mentions of UASP in sources (CURRENT) and find > nothing, but maybe it is well-hidden? > > I'm asking because now I see very interesting products on market, like > 5xHDD hot-swap enclosure for only $150, which uses UASP to attach to > host computer. It could be nice addition to FreeBSD-based storage servers. > Hi, For Super Speed (USB 3.0) UASP uses streams mode instead of regular bulk transfers from what I can see, which is not supported by all XHCI controllers. In USB 2.0 mode it will work using BULK only. Not sure if the vendors provide BULK only configurations for USB 3.0. --HPS From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Fri Nov 25 20:31:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4ECC55F6C; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [148.251.9.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7777D5; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:31:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.17.133] (unknown [89.113.128.32]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6ADBB651; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:30:58 +0300 (MSK) Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is here any work on USB Attached SCSI (UAS/UASP) support? References: <561b3e61-0df2-0eba-24d9-7edf07a7c0ea@FreeBSD.org> To: Hans Petter Selasky , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: <96c9e5ed-f35e-d9d1-16ba-b967bec3bdf4@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:30:57 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:31:01 -0000 On 25.11.2016 17:57, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > For Super Speed (USB 3.0) UASP uses streams mode instead of regular bulk > transfers from what I can see, which is not supported by all XHCI > controllers. Intel's ones? ASMedia's ones? Anyway, UASP is new protocol, but it is SCSI at its core, so sit should be new transport layer for CAM? > In USB 2.0 mode it will work using BULK only. Not sure if the vendors > provide BULK only configurations for USB 3.0. Attach 5 disks via one USB2 links is not good idea anyway. -- // Lev Serebryakov From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sat Nov 26 07:57:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0C9C5606C; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (heidi.turbocat.net [88.198.202.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39EE5813; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from hps2016.home.selasky.org (unknown [62.141.129.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CA8F1FE024; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 08:57:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Is here any work on USB Attached SCSI (UAS/UASP) support? To: lev@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org References: <561b3e61-0df2-0eba-24d9-7edf07a7c0ea@FreeBSD.org> <96c9e5ed-f35e-d9d1-16ba-b967bec3bdf4@FreeBSD.org> From: Hans Petter Selasky Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 08:57:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <96c9e5ed-f35e-d9d1-16ba-b967bec3bdf4@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:57:42 -0000 On 11/25/16 21:30, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Intel's ones? ASMedia's ones? Anyway, UASP is new protocol, but it is > SCSI at its core, so sit should be new transport layer for CAM? Yes, UASP is using SCSI. I think INTELs XHCIs support it, but others may not. The whole concept about USB streams has been controversial in USB circles and is disabled in FreeBSD by default, because it has not been tested properly yet due to lack of hardware. sysctl hw.usb.xhci.streams=1 --HPS