From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Thu May 19 20:31:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8958AB4289D; Thu, 19 May 2016 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722D51D96; Thu, 19 May 2016 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188E5166E; Thu, 19 May 2016 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 20:31:26 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, secteam@FreeBSD.org Subject: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJVQSCEsm6ceb9tV" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 20:31:29 -0000 --IJVQSCEsm6ceb9tV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dear FreeBSD community: Early this year, it was announced [1] that FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE would ship not only with the ability to package the base system with pkg(8), but the intent to use pkg(8) as the primary binary upgrade mechanism for the base system. Despite the schedule adjustment for 11.0-RELEASE to allow additional time to resolve several issues prior to the merge to head, too many issues remained. Following the merge to head, many more issues were discovered, some resolved, but many without a clear, non-disruptive solution. Given the state of this highly-disruptive change to the base system, we need to take the best interest of the FreeBSD community into primary consideration, as a whole. We have arrived at the difficult decision to treat packaged base as a "beta" feature for 11.0-RELEASE, and continue with freebsd-update(8) as the primary binary upgrade mechanism for this release. Development on this change will continue in head and stable/11 (when it is branched), however, with the target goal of transitioning to pkg(8) for the base system for 11.1-RELEASE. We fully intend to do this in a way that does not constitute a POLA violation, especially on an established -STABLE branch. The details on how we will attempt this transition are still to be determined, however all technical, solvable details. But we will ensure as best as we can to avoid violating POLA for the transition while the remaining issues are resolved. At this point, the risks far outweigh the benefits, especially taking into consideration some of the more recent fallout of several changes. Thank you to everyone who supported this effort, and we hope you will continue to support and test the forward development of packaging the base system with pkg(8). Thank you. [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pkgbase/2016-January/000000.html Glen On behalf of: re@ --IJVQSCEsm6ceb9tV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXPiKeAAoJEAMUWKVHj+KTNhEP/ieq6jWhbodGEHvZf1QdPrv6 0Q7P1tBmRUR2CyQ9wYbJ5JkAHYkYQXVzJd/Ia3VPwoN814hjK2OAmd40AtMMTV0U m1lq6yVqKjMAWkNN9YyCpCFjU2JqOiS6wxNZF+dtkCBF1pD0cnFTfkCp7gQjd5Me V6aH/QXx5WvcqsLmNik37M/VuRQ8IvkbyXfwONBWoBi5LwBkX5b0jJk+9TUMCq5Z WDW82Ex5khS2RoEhJIdfbPAiu6JaD4bVI5tTcXo/+e0Tb+Ucwr5AX+9w7u8SC21S 9tovNgfc/KAl2rFccMMS1LP2kosjL6Cle1iHrzu/v1+C0tnRXGi5FaZD5j98XZtZ oBAPl3fIG4mT9Mqbx7gIHac/wjqQ8QvRFIQ2fY9jLvsl+6bthbXI8GI8rpxx3ygv SruT/xrOvVEcYfMZOcfdq33q4ic50/yDJeT/GW9Yw8DhR3PYu9NcCl4CvhB3lw6U ChqqHMxuqXn1ZpWMte1SlvVB89kRnj9HlIZTPeex0m86z7E7H8k17hRucoN9vTB/ W3Vr7jkyeQa+LzHLBvdnD3m7gxVUBB1cR5bKG9pSrOMfAF7JIk+EGfQiWJgWC/4/ Vu16LmjWjyzfkD3MNREXzIssLk63lwGl0b0Xro2kqlw5HF1W09rqH+QyvfQGo0KP ffUHry4Xpz34TIPyPfk3 =TW5i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJVQSCEsm6ceb9tV-- From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Thu May 19 21:29:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE5AB41B41; Thu, 19 May 2016 21:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5A6F1289; Thu, 19 May 2016 21:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id b78so7537268ioj.3; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=fIy8/B5DzP6HBGi7+p2O+fqkRjvPIuhzCWlAWH/oFDo=; b=I3+pZ8UlrkRJCMKPlSh5eYiExnp0fWuvV5yGv1boKnbXYaxyi4E27/AQkqMOI2l3+o Hz4as6G/neXT4yKVyShBMUO7NqAMQQ4C8IL6qFSW3jK7m7CO2FOIobMYn75PMOEMGtSt iUJabT+X/5EAJPj3KaOZkLx5+pmhwNjqXe7s0zHs//IV6367D4CrnCIV08Dx/PKEdBrS fQZldjPtJyX7hDRqZzXrDF3EMat7r6GJttmWW8P0JxeypSlxQ/O/8wL20MCPJraaJSJH HKGIDOr2ZrZ9FYXliAS753Yx6XvltdQ88J9n67PXupEkEfQYZJ5h29wDzr+2n3OFXbpp IKeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=fIy8/B5DzP6HBGi7+p2O+fqkRjvPIuhzCWlAWH/oFDo=; b=Cpjcs9EyrxiN8Y82q+oECo2IIPiuwmGrf2zvaTvzJBlYYZRMYfqf54p+Hhcoeg0lSa YEYhIeq5kfpwi0qcJMlBLhk9CdSPdBfubq3j/gGfXOIXV+1AGStkQP84qZnf78iFcVrC cxaEdpZ26d7KFkcPQZeRpWvgThKxNqRitu3tskbp325vwwjgha6yRDeZFckoyADwGITz xSTnV4gf8s5L2Y2YzXaKYQVHaFFR0x8dDLGlT2/p91HAxZcAan4wECMIHNOMNXGQ+6+/ 4gT2R0di9u3K4s6MEPxw+kBdtpGvTDUsBBFfsNe5RKEqXvHbqFiUO6zgzdCFdmlitQ4A 3sOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXmSpBk+goD53YBoIoN/ac+vpIWa+2Xk/9TkrFBsqU1wi5VLeEugxCUDnpSyUR2SKGjlyLsZEG7+s8Dsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.36.146.194 with SMTP id l185mr87995itd.94.1463693376271; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.142.21 with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> References: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 14:29:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) From: jungle Boogie To: Glen Barber Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org, secteam@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 21:29:37 -0000 On 19 May 2016 at 13:31, Glen Barber wrote: > Given the state of this highly-disruptive change to the base system, we > need to take the best interest of the FreeBSD community into primary > consideration, as a whole. > > We have arrived at the difficult decision to treat packaged base as > a "beta" feature for 11.0-RELEASE, and continue with freebsd-update(8) > as the primary binary upgrade mechanism for this release. This is a very sensible solution. I think we can all agree we'd rather have something known to work over an unknown, lightly tested highly friction change. Keep up the great work and rest easier knowing pkg will be a beta thing. :) Thanks! -- ------- inum: 883510009027723 sip: jungleboogie@sip2sip.info xmpp: jungle-boogie@jit.si From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Thu May 19 22:03:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F12B42926 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 22:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.grem.de (outcast.grem.de [213.239.217.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 167BB1F68 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 22:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 26077 invoked by uid 89); 19 May 2016 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?100.70.75.202?) (mg@grem.de@90.186.0.14) by mail.grem.de with ESMTPA; 19 May 2016 22:03:37 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) From: Michael Gmelin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 00:03:33 +0200 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org, secteam@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> To: Glen Barber X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 22:03:46 -0000 > On 19 May 2016, at 23:29, jungle Boogie wrote: >=20 >> On 19 May 2016 at 13:31, Glen Barber wrote: >> Given the state of this highly-disruptive change to the base system, we >> need to take the best interest of the FreeBSD community into primary >> consideration, as a whole. >>=20 >> We have arrived at the difficult decision to treat packaged base as >> a "beta" feature for 11.0-RELEASE, and continue with freebsd-update(8) >> as the primary binary upgrade mechanism for this release. >=20 >=20 > This is a very sensible solution. > I think we can all agree we'd rather have something known to work over > an unknown, lightly tested highly friction change. >=20 > Keep up the great work and rest easier knowing pkg will be a beta thing. := ) >=20 Same here, thank you so much for your hard work on something that will be a b= ig step forward and also for being realistic enough to not forcing things be= fore they're ready! - Michael From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Thu May 19 23:09:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BC0B42DBF; Thu, 19 May 2016 23:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qg0-x22f.google.com (mail-qg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B79DE1356; Thu, 19 May 2016 23:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 90so52103206qgz.1; Thu, 19 May 2016 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=yPudL6PariziVtx+FtvEJ7SkHbCI/KYHtjYJYyKC2xQ=; b=k3Lgb0YXZDLmpxaTouz2l0YEhhy2ZYhZNnEeQhXqtELBj6By4ZkvKymYYJr1NKbr79 00Alfggx7UH01tzuZ4nAHEHWbqMDxZx8O3OYnPL5iWmTEpyIWBXiuw5LO5jivxfbLCJX mMRdb5hAWoEueUpBRxJMQMfehxDBv+g1DI7Z5hvjFdjrKwmAL8MVvB/KXRxu7XfSS/10 LYSbkg2C9s7udf2f+x2HclZNaUReaFhehm4QbA5esMcouYGKnGrNpCaPHqx0IVML0mWL GdTkEwDxEhG8YPHrKePKlO1BRv/CALy1WIRr0+l0VrFXOsQKfpuF09mINPZ8LAgl1S3a JKww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=yPudL6PariziVtx+FtvEJ7SkHbCI/KYHtjYJYyKC2xQ=; b=SUMOiDXmmWu/ZHtDJMleTrCwfZZU26mS0ON4f8EVgq7HPZYVyWsla5l9BiUWHpdkSt lnVpCYDa8aINai3+A9+8NTbkCF498tAwL1GJJMY8ImOq4P0bK21HUmatYqE6StSJJOAt WNd8ajKCABnYtQapEWB8xM5hkX/+Szq07bbjlT+FKK5jyYBfvzMGmdkUOE5+nVb7xthb uqYES0L5mJDPhIbDi2+Jq23LVHfgSLY/FkkABL4ccOuB3qN9lmlO5Cj8QuedPP8ZjngB YUEe7UVK2qkOqBhho3MKMgiOB+Vwvy1gHkgBP8xYpkSy094fZyQaNtpKoluQzJr3h6MA jy+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FX/80/SvUa57Z3vIAoINkzWtgAhUXHij7XyR1b35d1OL+TL2EnzVr1AOv3WsBcEbROSYwx4Ip9EInrI0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.156.195 with SMTP id c186mr1426904qhc.58.1463699350006; Thu, 19 May 2016 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.170.201 with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2016 16:09:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> References: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 16:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) From: Ngie Cooper To: Glen Barber Cc: FreeBSD Current , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , secteam@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 23:09:11 -0000 On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > Dear FreeBSD community: ... > Thank you to everyone who supported this effort, and we hope you will > continue to support and test the forward development of packaging the > base system with pkg(8). Thank you too both bapt and gjb. This is a non-trivial effort to achieve and what's been done so far is a really good first milestone. I think it's a good idea to get beta feedback for 11.x... It'll allow the design to get a wider audience and allows it to get some runtime beyond CURRENT, that way it can mature and improve before too many of the pieces are put in a place that it'll be hard to change once things have been setup in a production way. Thank you again! -Ngie From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Fri May 20 06:31:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B3FB41FB4; Fri, 20 May 2016 06:31:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan_partelly@rdsor.ro) Received: from mail.rdsor.ro (mail.rdsor.ro [193.231.238.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAD01DE8; Fri, 20 May 2016 06:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan_partelly@rdsor.ro) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [82.77.55.168]) by mail.rdsor.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id B421A1F91E; Fri, 20 May 2016 09:22:46 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Subject: Re: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) From: Dan Partelly In-Reply-To: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 09:22:46 +0300 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, secteam@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: References: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> To: Glen Barber X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 06:31:00 -0000 Thanks for the work you put in this major feature. Could we please get a full list of the issues which surfaced, quirks, and other worth to mention notes ? I believe its important. > On 19 May 2016, at 23:31, Glen Barber wrote: > > Despite the schedule adjustment for 11.0-RELEASE to allow additional > time to resolve several issues prior to the merge to head, too many > issues remained. Following the merge to head, many more issues were > discovered, some resolved, but many without a clear, non-disruptive > solution. > > Given the state of this highly-disruptive change to the base system, we > need to take the best interest of the FreeBSD community into primary > consideration, as a whole. From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Fri May 20 16:29:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB83B44C2E; Fri, 20 May 2016 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1014013D7; Fri, 20 May 2016 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1EE11B1; Fri, 20 May 2016 16:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 16:29:31 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Dan Partelly Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Followup on packaging base with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160520162931.GZ3335@FreeBSD.org> References: <20160519203126.GO3335@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3Q4JFSxAK2dtGZBt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 16:29:33 -0000 --3Q4JFSxAK2dtGZBt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most of the known issues (I believe all of the known issues at this time) are on the wiki: https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase Glen On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 09:22:46AM +0300, Dan Partelly wrote: > Thanks for the work you put in this major feature.=20 >=20 > Could we please get a full list of the issues which surfaced, quirks, > and other worth to mention notes ? I believe its important. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On 19 May 2016, at 23:31, Glen Barber wrote: > >=20 > > Despite the schedule adjustment for 11.0-RELEASE to allow additional > > time to resolve several issues prior to the merge to head, too many > > issues remained. Following the merge to head, many more issues were > > discovered, some resolved, but many without a clear, non-disruptive > > solution. > >=20 > > Given the state of this highly-disruptive change to the base system, we > > need to take the best interest of the FreeBSD community into primary > > consideration, as a whole. >=20 --3Q4JFSxAK2dtGZBt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXPztrAAoJEAMUWKVHj+KTwDgP/jXpSuKa5O5XkwQjrbX0PXfS uLnPp7nK6ahr1ccrR3PoLtvBKxquXh0LY6yerSrV+mlIGzAuADh5wx1+7suhZGMY mC5vQ35tfxoTAaWtc7tV6ygyNlB1UnZrJlfwOcn7jx3PIP0kkDDeIcJe7Nr5bewS gIUM+cQM+pFIFnQdkpsLe9Lf3/dg2hYjfmBC61TFtexObZPMPqjTqnIRlFrN+xpb +2CayS6oTQgYKwG1VVw82LH4sLyO9xgIXldeTYm8tS9Eq4hOJXssoQSR4Y/wGa5Z G3iAFAc2Nr4a1i8EvDR9U7YWOoloymEmw9b5P5ws3bJF9O+5f+lzO6tgO2aVA6zI qcWjyg6GB5pkW9c64jJCL6/mWAGzfdroRALxD9s14vguVii5pn2EMuNKA2y6vlvn eJoxz5RbXy88+vI/ee9foiv63EoYsXlXsNEOUNKU6ls6+kGM0aB27TsVkk6GNW83 odnxZqEfkufUlTl09mnWHmhNneZDy1WEu7afynjfUbF95554vkHyw1Ex3NP5/Fru /A26zks9kAozIGPh2V5wg0fqK+hauLoFY4nL3BeKoX+9QZvO9U66o+XFV16EDjit ZVd/Kh7wJ5n6GNwnEQHX3z1+5sdvsaiTJNcAn+E5K2UCZr8z8ML9fvbG3dygLJiQ 6qMFc8DCK9eLmKZhl/zK =6E2a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3Q4JFSxAK2dtGZBt-- From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Sat May 21 11:53:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED1CB44A49 for ; Sat, 21 May 2016 11:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A608A183E for ; Sat, 21 May 2016 11:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:56368] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A8/F6-15742-87A40475; Sat, 21 May 2016 11:46:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:44:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newcons splash screen References: <1684648736.1635551.1463747238790.JavaMail.zimbra@pcbsd.org> <573F3611.1060607@club.fr> <3a0a2de5-8809-d6a5-075e-7b7e296af10e@ixsystems.com> X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.130:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=NL1b+iKg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:117 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=51A-ECtZHMSNp_sf0hMA:9 a=a2rZqwfMCy8A:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:53:35 -0000 Is the newcons nonsupport for console screensaver related to the nonsupport for newcons splash screen? Situation is the same in NetBSD 7.0_RELEASE and STABLE, and current/head, no support for screensaver. DRMKMS is NetBSD's equivalent/counterpart of FreeBSD's newcons. Boot to console comes up into 250x67, like in FreeBSD after exiting X. Tom