From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 03:10:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38459BD5313 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0A4D127F for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id u8B3AhjY004782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id u8B3Ah4a004781; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10714; Sat, 10 Sep 16 19:50:18 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:50:28 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: wblock@wonkity.com Cc: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: also broken in 10.3 (Re: "gpart add" falsely claiming "No space left on device") Message-Id: <57d4c674.bo2VPtTSitHw8Suf%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <57ce6e64.EITkODjuwy6pZ4L+%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <57cf9b95.Zj/JGHeshaKL6Zr5%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <57d0f29b.3QNvCze7LJDzs0SU%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86wpimm6om.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <57d276f6.CwaoGNki0kQYiZns%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:10:49 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > Getting back to the original inquiry, I'm still mystified as to > > why gpart won't create a partition in the space that it reports > > as being free. Does anyone have a clue what is going on, or how > > to find out? > > It could be an actual bug. gpart and the man page have been revised > quite a bit over the last few years. Indeed. 10.3 behaves differently. (Not better, but differently.) I tried booting the stick and using its own gpart to create the new partition, and it failed silently: it claimed to have created the partition, and "gpart show" showed it, but it was gone after rebooting. I tried several times, sometimes allowing the "gpart add" to do the operation immediately and other times specifying "-f x" followed by "gpart commit", and the new partition never survived a reboot. It is not a matter of the GPT somehow being silently read-only: I also applied labels to the original partitions, at least once each before and after creating the new partition, and the label operations always survived the reboot but the partition creation never did. To reproduce (from the top): dd FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img to a flash drive. (I'm using a 4GB flash drive, but the size probably doesn't much matter.) Note that this is the i386 memstick.img; I have no idea whether anything similar would happen with other architectures. Boot it into single-user mode. It will be da0 unless there are other "da" drives attached. # gpart recover da0 # resizes the GPT to the stick I rebooted here for other reasons; dunno if it matters. # gpart show da0 # shows 3 partitions and some free space # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs da0 # reports "da0p4 added" (or similar) # gpart show da0 # shows 4 partitions including the new one # shutdown -r now after reboot: # gpart show da0 # shows 3 partitions and some free space BTW I also discovered in the course of this that "gpart commit" with no pending operations misleadingly says "Operation not permitted" rather than "Nothing to commit" or "No pending operations". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 03:40:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216DEBD5AE1 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06D1E1EE3 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id u8B3eplb005984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:40:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id u8B3eonb005983; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10765; Sat, 10 Sep 16 20:38:25 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:38:34 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: wblock@wonkity.com Cc: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "gpart add" falsely claiming "No space left on device" Message-Id: <57d4d1ba.8U9+KrRH1rRsodn4%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <57ce6e64.EITkODjuwy6pZ4L+%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <57cf9b95.Zj/JGHeshaKL6Zr5%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <57d0f29b.3QNvCze7LJDzs0SU%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <86wpimm6om.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <57d276f6.CwaoGNki0kQYiZns%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:40:52 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > Support for 8.1 ended over four years ago. Improvements to man > pages are not MFCed back to unsupported releases. Nor would it matter (in this case) if they were, since I'm running 8.1 (not following 8-STABLE). > > Alignment to 4k makes sense if the physical sector size is 4k (as > > is often the case with newer disk drives) -- but 1M? Seems a bit > > much, which is why it would be useful for that page to include a > > more detailed explanation. > > 1M is a useful value for several reasons. A partition aligned with 1M > is aligned with all the smaller values. It also better fits with the > larger internal block sizes used by SSDs and other flash devices. > > Starting the first data partition at 1M is a de facto standard and > provides a little additional insurance that some rock-stupid > partitioning tool will see the partition and not destroy it. > > At most, aligning to 1M wastes less than one meg of space. Not one gig, > one meg. On UEFI systems, you can even use that small amount of space > for an EFI partition. Hopefully some of this explanation will find its way into that disksetup.html page :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 04:10:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC90BD4126 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A20ED7E for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id u8B4Ao5R007353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id u8B4AnI7007352; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10834; Sat, 10 Sep 16 20:52:05 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:52:14 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: wblock@wonkity.com, smithi@nimnet.asn.au Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "gpart add" falsely claiming "No space left on device" Message-Id: <57d4d4ee.HRXXT5d/ZCIb3KuI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20160907000551.F91459@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <57cfab90.qRHpzKSiF/A9Stt1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20160910022609.E91459@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:10:59 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Ian Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:54:24 -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: > > > (Old-timers will remember why some of us > > > don't like to exceed bs=126b with dd :) > > I only go back to '98 on FreeBSD; never heard of that ... > I don't see any reason to use less than block sizes ... > Actually, I don't see any reason to use less than 64K or even 1M buffer > size. Smaller sizes add huge amounts of overhead with no benefit. This goes back farther than FreeBSD, to SunOS 4.1 or earlier. The old-timers I mentioned remember DMA hardware that could not handle a buffer spanning a 64KB physical boundary. It's difficult for a driver to comply with such a limitation if the blocksize is larger :) bs=128b is exactly 64KB, and some of those drivers would throw an error on that, so 126b became the largest considered advisable absent knowledge that the particular hardware in use could handle larger. > > > BTW it did boot (I only tried single-user mode) and worked > > > well enough to resize itself with "gpart recover". > > > > Um, do you mean you ran gpart recover on the stick you'd > > booted off? Yep. No other choice. 8.1 gpart does not understand "recover" -- although 8.1 geom does complain about the missing backup GPT table and say something like "recovery recommended". > This works but is unnecessary. Unless you want to store more stuff > on the install stick ... Precisely. Why else would I be trying to create another partition on it? > > [big cut] > > > > > # fdisk /dev/da2 > > > ******* Working on device /dev/da2 ******* > > > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > > > cylinders=486 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > > [..] > > > Media sector size is 512 > > > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > > > Information from DOS bootblock is: > > > The data for partition 1 is: > > > sysid 238 (0xee),(EFI GPT) > > > start 1, size 7811071 (3813 Meg), flag 0 > > > beg: cyl 0/ head 0/ sector 2; > > > end: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63 > > > > > > which I take to be the protective MBR of the GPT scheme. > > Of course, fdisk knows nothing but MBR. Please stop using fdisk. Is there another program that will display the details of the protective MBR? AFAIK "gpart show" shows only the GPT itself. 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[85.171.136.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d62sm11261925wmd.7.2016.09.10.21.54.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:54:03 +0200 From: marcel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Encrypted /boot partition Message-ID: <20160911065403.2e35efad@marcel-laptop.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20160910031925.78927b7c@marcel-laptop.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:54:50 -0000 Le Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:19:10 -0400, Anton Yuzhaninov a =C3=A9crit : > On 2016-09-09 21:19, marcel wrote: > > > > Is it possible to install FreeBSD and encrypt the /boot partition ? > > I did'nt find anything on that... And if not, why ? =20 >=20 > AFAIK it is not yet possible. >=20 > FreeBSD boot process has several stages: > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/boot.html >=20 > If x86 BIOS (non-UEFI) boot is used, first started boot0 > it located in MBR and can't be encrypted, because x86 BIOS doesn't=20 > support encryption. > boot0 code is very small and has no space to implement support of=20 > encrypted partitions. >=20 > Next stages are boot1 and boot2 located in boot area of bsd label or > in freebsd-boot GPT partition. They also very small and all they can > do is load /boot/loader from unencrypted partition. > Loader itself supports geli and can load kernel from encrypted > partition. Ok, thanks for the good explanation ! >=20 > There was work to add geli spupport to gptboot and gptzfsboot: > http://www.allanjude.com/bsd/AsiaBSDCon2016_geliboot.pdf > But I don't know current status of this project. >=20 > If your need to have internal HDD fully encrypted, your can use > external (USB stick) media with unencrypted /boot, which will load > kernel from internal HDD. Yeah, I've forget this method, someone else remember me this, thanks to you too ! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 04:56:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E61BD4BDF for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcel.plouf@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BED81F2 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcel.plouf@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id c131so7391238wmh.0 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sE4ptSkL8Kd/wPr9N2B49mEvwZ/CANO8emKY+3X7KP4=; b=C1dqmlhT9uQlhyP66Z4Z1AHMGT1mpHxO/zllwuczkoWkWy1HiBEKAtNqoNXYmVUhWy /vaFovNkW4jxTu6w2URu+9vDWO8I/Q4dkNOFnocWPNM16e74a6gaI6J+VU77RN+KJX8U 4Zo8OIG2UaUROl3IfiEYiU0eZe7Rasg5doxqPbMi+q/M5op6Kx5+k94Tr6yYcxXNi6Ps tzZpDtEoKoaTzmNyVUbiElamlDA9rYOnsdaHUEglSrfxaRzNy0gto3k5n6rXtLhXOwAM BNdS9wWUY5cfUthzZaQsT13WgVRrYfbrX4AChn6bzNj9ECUouSN9hDunWH2SEdjlMxof mSRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sE4ptSkL8Kd/wPr9N2B49mEvwZ/CANO8emKY+3X7KP4=; b=kbj+jHT6+4EyWKOX/vxBCWeDyBdhJaKBAGprJcKWT4Bi5YAmIUcgEILOLoTo2FWTlS yJQziPiBjhUTpFxXNUY+/8bDkvHZx+PAX1GKFLNelfvQw/xsoCZqXPo0YNlLkixTqYql PU8Nx17jgdDjaLhsn3c4L1JHVyw5fbMWZ+SmkRR9S/oLmXysMwFpDn9yBs3tYr6ew8Yi oKRtm69xZo2cgN9PmVKVRTFiXcdzhFlsysExMyj6dSwpfX0/04O2G5AW2UmzG46aBzdw 4MPXgG0gdFORDGYjLfeaN2KT33GbSzXaJPxKYOKkBzSO0hqMsGzzXlCc+Q4bA/cTLDAg XDPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOyRjORpnVMR9jbbdlc7I9vUM5aR22PGKN++eFz2Bk+4TMOKKSxwOwhuKRUtYTgmw== X-Received: by 10.28.12.133 with SMTP id 127mr4649995wmm.119.1473569793635; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marcel-laptop.lan (85-171-136-71.rev.numericable.fr. [85.171.136.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s8sm11221902wjz.29.2016.09.10.21.56.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:55:50 +0200 From: marcel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Encrypted /boot partition Message-ID: <20160911065550.3bab0a36@marcel-laptop.lan> In-Reply-To: <86h99nttg8.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <20160910031925.78927b7c@marcel-laptop.lan> <86h99nttg8.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:56:35 -0000 Le Sat, 10 Sep 2016 15:01:43 -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee a =C3=A9crit : > Anton Yuzhaninov writes: >=20 > > There was work to add geli spupport to gptboot and gptzfsboot: > > http://www.allanjude.com/bsd/AsiaBSDCon2016_geliboot.pdf > > But I don't know current status of this project. =20 >=20 > Work is currently being done on adding GELI support to the UEFI > loader.[1] Seems like there's a good chance it will be ready for > 11.1-RELEASE next spring. As for gptboot and gptzfsboot, I can't say. >=20 > https://ericmccorkleblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/28/freebsd-geli-support/ >=20 Oh thanks, good for UEFI users, not for me :( From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 10:24:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC85BD5650; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76FB5113; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id q188so130498089oia.3; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xyjq4Nff4rkQ1tNjO0NTo1KaPQSbh5g6I1j4cI1DrY8=; b=l0+mAmiDD/GnLHQESBZ5Y7BxfrzdGMNRSkMfXN+JhasxPdSC9KTFdQNEMNyvu4xfkg kPDoi1K77WRC721nq5ftnhesKjrbfHxLWrScbtxWStrHwxBbtEx2t1c9YvEx1Ty4T4HZ 9qKnUMGUCUtzRzM6nGbZggF1emsdxL0iGAL4rtVfI0xHFhcguJji01tcs9i8CfinCMgo vATOkStIsLmdaV+cCkOVH5vrxjgl9B5kZYOJWDzS6GUKGK/0zanycdToJsIgPpKBspEh wIyQY76k5TMNoAdGHaIL5oGg7DTHUzNaJ7Rhc80ZNyyg1zTmYmunwELkJd4lEQ7IeBfR YRmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xyjq4Nff4rkQ1tNjO0NTo1KaPQSbh5g6I1j4cI1DrY8=; b=dnLdqp+CD/q/bYGc2hV2M+2gfCaQPh5pgHm8nlrPBADfMZrzY2nBoSASqRD6e2LIHa uviHP3nknrnU52VdNbRJyug+Cezw+0d5Cmi5F+B+1p8/OwfV4geXtu0TV9NNbzaNHwFx abhYU9Yh689x38MYf3E8FiFgYifMx1FiihOTOCVjpKmCj9IioHW461le5YGyh1lG9DtE xKgZ2BoP3Bb8v1iqsuNgY/YEqmLYqm2rLwgt2XtCcp7WWjA5AWlU3M9wkYiRmVueTPPy QiopPDk2qEorEuY28DMtcM0F+CFrHgF0XbMbNK7O2laxz69uHupY4klt5Gv72zpfn2f9 bYug== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOOSbpraEclm0Ww6q4kl9xO7AEYXpkvxOuNESSv8hvLG1uv+YHh8IxMLHtqxFNM916W8rVztR+Ni7iMSw== X-Received: by 10.157.19.100 with SMTP id q33mr4454871otq.131.1473589454610; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:24:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.26.3 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Woods Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:24:13 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:24:15 -0000 Hi everyone, Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following apple website doesn't display correctly? http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 The first section in the page, below the top banners is only a white block. After that, the photo gallery of the iphone displays correctly on a black background. I noticed these 2 errors within my Firefox debugging console (ctrl+shift+i) that do not show up on a Windows computer displaying the same website on Firefox: TypeError: l.os is undefinedf site:freebsd.org TypeError: as.Step1ModularController is not a constructor Any ideas? Regards, Ben -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 10:49:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C09BD5D1B; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x242.google.com (mail-oi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584FECAB; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id o32so705740oik.1; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/JqDWod0cOOVhCDnQ1OwwJduxvG7Ok/MOoRDpC4yLEY=; b=TBrCpkJQMRlMiXHfs5ZkxYXMzj44sM3d4Zr0aZJkkmf3G1xAaE34xwywcuNpALXOb0 B1N6Tdifa//BFE4lpgN32l3aLKyJ44mU5wYgezQ49gdbBDdTXXyftkE4QF7kJeNrA9yr PYf4/KOVi8AMLYX4CiHo2RgRyGjCi1qEnBLxyZUL2M0RIYhPHVfNFsguJtU18wAjwzCk eDHrEHEivPEODemKPuyWKYaqBRTFD5UYBarM3vpmaYit7QKafos6WsAaagEz2RfiSiJ8 r8S3I+Y4PnqZD3/+jgfVsk61Fmx0gt2Sqz8zsMYauQyuv2KY9wEha6mmDqIuNDEqt86+ nKyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/JqDWod0cOOVhCDnQ1OwwJduxvG7Ok/MOoRDpC4yLEY=; b=ECqc2atl1rWEGe2DHLRNiNfIwiWrVASJ8U7KlqDuYlHC7DBMZGkmHxdvXZrQnkNQNy ZHGauRL8XYxoJsyA0XXE8vVF5N9Hl9uav5D1bVFaZ891KBAB2dWr0HE5kM/ZjLAbIg2t Hi2vutv9d/b0vc3lPOULWiQiYA0Yu+6ntyUbP5UQLi1IGATQLd5dhUSKQuDPMBTwZkVA VSbX2CuurZDmI9AC0QKf2/NfIsqKkM5cIo3UkSiYwxu1aqJiYHqO9/Q113ZnlahwtxGA aef8w+NLogObFevfmea++X7++ZM++9b03s21wejDgeWBARZDeqatZpM45LpDDL1UbNBX m70w== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNui8kjODbWPG+FkM7Tu5Gxe32aWXntgA5gM4HhrBZzzVP8iWgUyHYWS+jK6BZk54nj4ji0cJZfQm1bvQ== X-Received: by 10.202.7.5 with SMTP id 5mr17645864oih.115.1473590945656; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.26.3 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160911123112.46ce58a7@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160911123112.46ce58a7@archlinux.localdomain> From: Ben Woods Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:49:05 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [off-list] Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: Ralf Mardorf , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:49:06 -0000 On 11 September 2016 at 18:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:24:13 +0800, Ben Woods wrote: > >Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > >apple website doesn't display correctly? > >http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 > > > >Any ideas? > > Hi, > > I've got no idea. I'm running Linux at the moment. However, consider to > mention what version of FreeBSD/Firefox fails to display this website. > > Regards, > Ralf > Good point. I am running FreeBSD 12-current r305311 on amd64 with pkg firefox-47.0.1_2,1. Regards, Ben From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 10:56:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3780BD5F47 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russian@russerver.org) Received: from main.russerver.org (main.russerver.org [185.72.244.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9199E for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russian@russerver.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [5.35.105.131]) by smtp.russerver.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91F9E1C2A83 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:49:15 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=russerver.org; s=mail; t=1473590955; bh=MzVhFctX4UqM/mldALdMtk31ImZi/KvYMXrwQlGrrjs=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=nMS9fWSFnun6AGdTAGHoVTS6ubBNEw1Y7zR/YQ3JGoa05dLWUo3vZ3jfK749GZ0Sj vF2WQ/oBSyCIkudb53dkQ9VbKl8l3+x3Bf9DTUwigeW7rZVb9YSx6OLnMh9TuQThwl NOayV2C5obJwvYB5uhKtgS9hequ3nYnp0bvnhoqE= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Russian Subject: df report wrong free space on NFSv4 share Message-ID: <7504fda0-79ed-d2a2-357c-5f6e691295fd@russerver.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:49:13 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:56:54 -0000 Hi all. After migrating to NFSv4 (from NFSv3) i found that df on client shows wrong free space: root@server:~ # df -hT Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/gm0p2 ufs 39G 3.8G 32G 11% / devfs devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/mirror/gm1p1 ufs 1.8T 1.6T 1.6G 100% /usr/local/data root@client:~ # df -hT Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0p2 ufs 7.3G 4.5G 2.3G 66% / devfs devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev server:/ nfs 1.8T 1.6T 146G 92% /mnt Difference is exactly 8% (looks like nfs don't respect ufs minfree) Is it a bug? or it's me doing something wrong? Server: root@server:~ # uname -a FreeBSD server 10.3-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 #0: Thu Aug 11 18:38:15 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 root@server:~ # less /etc/exports /usr/local/data -mapall=user client V4:/usr/local/data client root@storage:~ # less /etc/rc.conf rpcbind_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" nfsv4_server_enable="YES" nfsuserd_enable="YES" Client: root@client:~ # uname -a FreeBSD client 10.3-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 #0: Thu Aug 11 18:38:15 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 root@client:~ # less ./fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ada0p2 / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ada0p3 none swap sw 0 0 server:/ /mnt nfs rw,bg,tcp,intr,nfsv4 0 0 root@client:~ # less /etc/rc.conf nfs_client_enable="YES" nfsuserd_enable="YES" nfscbd_enable="YES" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 12:30:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C93A9DD20; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:191:61e8::2525:2525]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D986952; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from gjp by mail.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bj3to-000MxI-I4; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:30:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:30:16 +0100 From: Gary Palmer To: Ben Woods Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website Message-ID: <20160911123015.GC42278@in-addr.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:30:19 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 06:24:13PM +0800, Ben Woods wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > apple website doesn't display correctly? > http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 > > The first section in the page, below the top banners is only a white block. > After that, the photo gallery of the iphone displays correctly on a black > background. Same on Firefox 45.4.0 (ESR) on FreeBSD 10.2 Regards, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 12:53:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90149BD5461 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5598E360 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8BCrlXH011104 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u8BCrlrZ011100; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:53:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Perry Hutchison cc: smithi@nimnet.asn.au, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "gpart add" falsely claiming "No space left on device" In-Reply-To: <57d4d4ee.HRXXT5d/ZCIb3KuI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <20160907000551.F91459@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <57cfab90.qRHpzKSiF/A9Stt1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20160910022609.E91459@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <57d4d4ee.HRXXT5d/ZCIb3KuI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:53:47 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:53:56 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Perry Hutchison wrote: > Warren Block wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Ian Smith wrote: >>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:54:24 -0700, Perry Hutchison wrote: >>>> (Old-timers will remember why some of us >>>> don't like to exceed bs=126b with dd :) >>> I only go back to '98 on FreeBSD; never heard of that ... >> I don't see any reason to use less than block sizes ... >> Actually, I don't see any reason to use less than 64K or even 1M buffer >> size. Smaller sizes add huge amounts of overhead with no benefit. > > This goes back farther than FreeBSD, to SunOS 4.1 or earlier. > > The old-timers I mentioned remember DMA hardware that could not handle > a buffer spanning a 64KB physical boundary. It's difficult for a > driver to comply with such a limitation if the blocksize is larger :) > > bs=128b is exactly 64KB, and some of those drivers would throw an > error on that, so 126b became the largest considered advisable > absent knowledge that the particular hardware in use could handle > larger. Ah, "b" for blocks, not bytes. I guarantee I have never used that on FreeBSD, and never experienced a problem. On disks, I routinely use bs=64K, and 1M for flash can help transfer rates. >>>> BTW it did boot (I only tried single-user mode) and worked >>>> well enough to resize itself with "gpart recover". >>> >>> Um, do you mean you ran gpart recover on the stick you'd >>> booted off? > > Yep. No other choice. 8.1 gpart does not understand "recover" -- > although 8.1 geom does complain about the missing backup GPT table > and say something like "recovery recommended". > >> This works but is unnecessary. Unless you want to store more stuff >> on the install stick ... > > Precisely. Why else would I be trying to create another partition > on it? It was not clear what you were trying to do. "-f x" added to that. At this point, it's still confusing how you did a recover if the old version of gpart being used did not support that. >>>> which I take to be the protective MBR of the GPT scheme. >> >> Of course, fdisk knows nothing but MBR. Please stop using fdisk. > > Is there another program that will display the details of the > protective MBR? AFAIK "gpart show" shows only the GPT itself. The details of the PMBR do not matter much. It is supposed to be a static structure, an MBR with a single partition, type 0xEE, sized to fill the entire disk or 2TB, whichever is smaller. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 14:57:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597ECBD664E for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC186AC for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20160911145719.ZLWJ844.cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:57:19 +0000 Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:48939] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6E/8F-13654-B2D65D75; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:41:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bj5x4-00024F-OZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:41:46 -0400 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Baho Utot Subject: YIKES! I am going to need some help Message-ID: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:41:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:57:21 -0000 I want to rebuild all my home computers now based upon FreeBSD 10.x. I would like to use version 11.0 Stable or Release. Here is the steps I am going to take.... Yes you can suggest that I have this totally borked. My wife tells me I am only expert at making a mess! The present layout of the computer I am going to install first: 1 SSD with windows and FreeBSD 10.3 This will change to just win7 and the boot loader, so that FreeBSD will only be on a ZFS raid Z array. Will this still be able to boot? Will I need to change the boot loader already installed? I am using the FreeBSD 10.x boot loader that shows you F1, F2 and F3 F1 windows 7, F2 windows data and F3 FreeBSD 10.0 1 Hard drive that has Windows data partition and FreeBSD partition ( which contains /usr/home and /usr/ports etc) This hard drive will be removed when this all works. 1 DVD drive that is coming out ( don't use it any more ) OK look out, here it goes...... - Install 4 1TB hard drives for ZFS raid Z array. - Load FreeBSD ( current USB image ) from USB using ZFS. Will the installer do this or do I need to tweak it? Will my present 10.3 version still function while I am setting this up? I will have win7 on the first primary drive an SSD and then remove the second drive after I get this going. I want to create filesystems on the Raid Z array like /usr/home /usr/ports /usr/ports/packages etc. You can suggest any other filesystems if it will be helpful. - svnlite co Need the URL so I can fetch 11-Current or 11-Release - build world Yep I got this (well maybe see below) - build kernel Yep I got this too ;) -build lumina Have not been successful getting version 1 to function, crashes Xorg, the old version works. Pointers any one? - build other things Opera - should not be an issue Thunderbird - should not be an issue FireFox - should not be an issue Keepassx - should not be an issue - build local repository Wow, I got this too, well maybe the only step I can do ;) no help needed for this step Now let me throw a monkey wrench and hammer into this..... Can I use clang and LLVM? Ditching ld? If so I will need advice on how to do this. As always.....Thanks for your review and help From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 15:07:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F90DBD684E for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63829A5A for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id z190so110741665qkc.3 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:07:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xRytD51l0ljTe3wG2++NwOZesRuRboRDCQeVnGHAksI=; b=eSR1tDufSm+C86wae21bLX1UJZ6q1AesFqE6EJpbnUZ/BIunFiWFpGL/SDjgU/JoCb Yu1yDeX5tcJ5gYjK7eJNx86iZaC6BCIeWLNyGdAxkYBpRvR7voaesiTOCAOD0hXQWpAM N82u4BooZbTphis+iCPm7CBNQ2brovJdYmrDI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xRytD51l0ljTe3wG2++NwOZesRuRboRDCQeVnGHAksI=; b=MgY8cnYgcYZPYvQov2WEUIE1z6+sBZRAFmH5fzqDfT4FL6FTundBmX7uk9XpzIbaSO 02k8ocfcEoDD4vBu5jDC0UXBM67BdB5+iFx178ieB5vVUbzbMS9TLRsn9gbmO905Q3CZ RpWSlkHLJVGZl5Mhnq9U8vn1z57Ul4Gbnph9EbtLFK1dbP7yepvx/rRrgEC4oF6tHENy 9XHKAD+kI7HpPbXbTyTgj0XGmK+YCGqtMIcMy5rrSgugdigfKe1QtLAcHxwWge4J6sWT oKOVIHEsDySLddShLk++lMTaXTr/sUeVFew53NPhQtZuq8gXw/bQjHjg/tBgGB5zetW/ blfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNHz0jTas880CeJmWEnmqWOdbU7ao/FnAQqKv98AkwNxA6qE+LuauQUiRCc6TooMg== X-Received: by 10.55.11.137 with SMTP id 131mr14305401qkl.65.1473606462084; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([177.98.208.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w184sm7772476qkw.38.2016.09.11.08.07.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:07:59 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? Message-ID: <20160911120759.6b86aec9@Papi> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:07:43 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:48:23 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, > > In my computer hardware upgrade project (which has already seen me > switch 3 motherboards and 2 CPU's in 1 month), I have reached a point > where I need to invest a bit further. My current Gigabyte GA970 > motherboard is working perfectly, except that the onboard sound > (Realtek) is aweful, with a whole lot of high-pitch hiss accompanying > the sound whenever I try to play any music. > > I would like to solve the problem by installing a separate internal > sound card - the best option appears to be Asus Xonar DG PCI Internal > Sound Card with a C-Media CMI8786 chipset. Will my idea of disabling > the onboard sound and installing the separate card work ? My > motherboard's BIOS does provide the option to disable the onboard > sound. So I think the question simply boils down to whether the > CMI8786 chipset be supported by the FreeBSD kernel. > > Thanks for any help. > Manish Jain > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi Manish; Don't know if my model is EXACTLY like yours. I have a GB 970A-UD3P mobo, running BSD 10-STABLE and the sound is working perfectly. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 15:12:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D09ABD6A83 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qk0-x234.google.com (mail-qk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBB9BE8F for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-qk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id h8so33162135qka.1 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:12:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=adspelTZwwNbs8pTHmgCnlNnOEMUo2WGWWhk8vTtIJA=; b=MAvtVB3D3/OgICGR/c1dYTiliJX/Gyerici9Rcm1x6rlVLO9GZK4DZ1MS/WlN/+pf/ Er7peetT4tR2deVFqYcnF/F+eVhM6+1/6gSlWJ/sP6qNmRQ2y0GYgaW1+Ob8zE76fwIb /hwMVpqPv8qsI6GQJbonYDGkjcVD2WeL1xFcQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=adspelTZwwNbs8pTHmgCnlNnOEMUo2WGWWhk8vTtIJA=; b=mVRc1Ez69xJEhVIot0i3rrxBHwnl19st44BJguwN8l0Pp1jthTxsz4B9wQ6z63RE7w gjnik2hzBT/cHn/0dQXKXt4jz1DOTnF0mDF/uKu/1pYFv0vbXs7ylh88pQoNCYwJxfwn XGPsw9k0DcGrX/NXH4YOub3AD7W6ZcPkdbAk/+ljmQSJ9W6s3Nrxo6w9blLFWWodz0ta 6YO+tIt44MfZFkSbofzoBeuh0FRP0DYlgcvSw8aUMFhCQKGd5KVtF38PZsS/U1uvXvZN EezbA9WJ48c9UokRGPGNSauW9xFzxKsfFxxr1vfuhnTikDvYsmMenKtTywUKZKyUqLxo ZojA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNA1sW86zRKhN7Fjh6eRgJJTn1Fd9fo88dIpuza7RUTV+RkhGjxAvHyZ8jjCRhedQ== X-Received: by 10.55.105.130 with SMTP id e124mr15776686qkc.183.1473606743776; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([177.98.208.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s23sm7839195qka.10.2016.09.11.08.12.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:12:43 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? (follow up) Message-ID: <20160911121243.7a57ca24@Papi> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:12:25 -0000 On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:48:23 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, > > In my computer hardware upgrade project (which has already seen me > switch 3 motherboards and 2 CPU's in 1 month), I have reached a point > where I need to invest a bit further. My current Gigabyte GA970 > motherboard is working perfectly, except that the onboard sound > (Realtek) is aweful, with a whole lot of high-pitch hiss accompanying > the sound whenever I try to play any music. > > I would like to solve the problem by installing a separate internal > sound card - the best option appears to be Asus Xonar DG PCI Internal > Sound Card with a C-Media CMI8786 chipset. Will my idea of disabling > the onboard sound and installing the separate card work ? My > motherboard's BIOS does provide the option to disable the onboard > sound. So I think the question simply boils down to whether the > CMI8786 chipset be supported by the FreeBSD kernel. > > Thanks for any help. > Manish Jain > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Complementing with Poly's output: [~]>dmesg | grep ^hda hdac0: mem 0xfe080000-0xfe083fff irq 25 at device 0.1 on pci1 hdac1: mem 0xfe400000-0xfe403fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 # Papi/root [12:09:52] [~]>dmesg | grep ^pcm pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 pcm2: at nid 20,22,21,23 and 24,26 on hdaa1 pcm3: at nid 27 and 25 on hdaa1 pcm4: at nid 17 on hdaa1 pcm5: at nid 30 on hdaa1 -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 17:08:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3354BD61D4 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp206.alice.it (smtp206.alice.it [82.57.200.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3070BF6F for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (62.211.162.64) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 57C6A04502497F39; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:08:04 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u8BH83ho046645; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:08:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? To: Manish Jain References: <20160910201746.e62bd384.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:08:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:08:14 -0000 On 09/10/16 20:51, Manish Jain wrote: > Nice to hear from you. I knew I could always count on your reply : - ) > > The onboard sound would have been great had it not been for that hiss > that comes along. The hiss is loud enough to be a real game-spoiler. I > plugged in my headphones in place of the speakers, and the hiss is > present on the headphones too. So it had to be a problem with the > onboard chip or the driver. I eliminated the driver by installing > Windows XP, and the hiss is present in WMP playback too. So the only > option now is to install a separate sound card. I don't mind that, as > long as the card can be made to work with FreeBSD 10.x/11. Just a shot in the dark: did you silence everything through the mixer? E.g. is line-in at 0? CD? Try and see if that hiss comes from the channel you are really trying to hear. I know, this is not likely, but costs nothing, so it's worth trying. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 17:38:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6DBBD6EB1 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9DD6151D for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-184.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9116424D6F; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:38:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8BHcUJ4002922; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:38:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:38:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? Message-Id: <20160911193830.1ecd139d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20160910201746.e62bd384.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:38:35 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:08:03 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 09/10/16 20:51, Manish Jain wrote: > > > Nice to hear from you. I knew I could always count on your reply : - ) > > > > The onboard sound would have been great had it not been for that hiss > > that comes along. The hiss is loud enough to be a real game-spoiler. I > > plugged in my headphones in place of the speakers, and the hiss is > > present on the headphones too. So it had to be a problem with the > > onboard chip or the driver. I eliminated the driver by installing > > Windows XP, and the hiss is present in WMP playback too. So the only > > option now is to install a separate sound card. I don't mind that, as > > long as the card can be made to work with FreeBSD 10.x/11. > > Just a shot in the dark: did you silence everything through the mixer? > E.g. is line-in at 0? CD? > Try and see if that hiss comes from the channel you are really trying to > hear. > > I know, this is not likely, but costs nothing, so it's worth trying. This should be checked with the "mixer" command - and yes, it is actually possible that an "open input" causes the kind of sound initially described. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 17:41:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E89BD7103 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9E2A1921 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-184.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51F3224D6F; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8BHfdrb002928; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:41:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:41:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? Message-Id: <20160911194139.5f676527.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20160910201746.e62bd384.freebsd@edvax.de> <20160910211012.108b6022.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:41:43 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:31:52 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > I have shelved the CMI8786 (about USD 35), and have opted for a > Zebronics SC-4CH PCI card that costs just USD 8. If the Zebronics card > (I don't know what is the chipset; but a wild guess is Creative) solves > the hiss problem, my hardware upgrade project will finally wind down. If > the Zebronics card does not work well, I'll try the CMI8786 next. The "Sound Blaster"-like sound cards by Creative are usually supported; I've owned some in the past. :-) > The most intriguing aspect of the hiss problem is that the hiss appears > only with music files (.mp3 usually). When I play videos of any format > (mp4/avi/mkv), the sound is perfect and there is no hiss. With music > files, on the other hand, the hiss comes along clearly no matter what > equalizer settings I enforce. This is strange. Maybe you hear compression artifacts? Does it depend on the _program_ to play files with? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 18:28:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70179BD5779 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A75563C for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bj8wX-0006nY-9B; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:53:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bj8ws-00028n-VO; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:53:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:53:22 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Will installing a separate sound card work? Message-Id: <20160911185322.1822b0e391877faa745d6de0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20160911194139.5f676527.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20160910201746.e62bd384.freebsd@edvax.de> <20160910211012.108b6022.freebsd@edvax.de> <20160911194139.5f676527.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:28:24 -0000 On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:41:39 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > The "Sound Blaster"-like sound cards by Creative are usually > supported; I've owned some in the past. :-) Tricky finding one on a PCIe card though, although I've a few VMs that think they have one. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 18:47:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746B1BD5BF8 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_lists@phess.net) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 388AEDD0 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_lists@phess.net) Received: from [91.67.156.200] (helo=mailserver.phess.net) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bj9lY-0005D0-3A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:46:08 +0200 Received: from desk8.phess.net (desk8.phess.net [192.168.0.8]) by mailserver.phess.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4981C4EB49 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: freebsd-update not updating kernel? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Patrick Hess Message-ID: <7b88b93a-3f28-0e31-752e-586109aa83f8@phess.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:46:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Df-Sender: bWFpbGVyQHBoZXNzLm5ldA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:47:35 -0000 On 07.09.2016 14:38, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > It looks to me from what I'm pasting below as if there is a kernel out > there somewhere for 9.3-RELEASE-p45 There's no -p45 kernel, as both -p44 and -p45 were only affecting the userland. > % lsof >/dev/null > lsof: WARNING: compiled for FreeBSD release 9.3-RELEASE-p45; this is > 9.3-RELEASE-p43. Seems like lsof is not aware of the difference between kernel and userland patch levels and ends up checking for the wrong one. Patrick -- If you'd like to send me a private message, make sure to remove the "_lists" part from my address. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 22:40:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284AFBD6C8F for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:40:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DAD794 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:49021] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9C/05-14796-A1DD5D75; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:39:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bjDPG-0002M3-Fd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:39:22 -0400 Subject: Re: YIKES! I am going to need some help References: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> <20160911204639.GB24973@neutralgood.org> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:39:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160911204639.GB24973@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:40:31 -0000 On 09/11/16 16:46, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:41:45AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: >> I want to rebuild all my home computers now based upon FreeBSD 10.x. >> >> I would like to use version 11.0 Stable or Release. > Well, now, which is it? If you go the Release route then you don't need > to rebuild world or kernel. I am waiting for 11.x to come off RCs, then I will choose. If it doesn't do that soon ( been waiting 4 months now), then I will go STABLE and use crochet to build for Raspberry pi. I want to update this desktop first in case I make a mess of it. Just don't know how the move ZFS Raid-Z will turn out. > > Also, if you use packages then you don't need /usr/ports, and you don't > need to worry about building things. Just install them. It may be that > building from ports is the right thing for you, but you haven't mentioned > any reasons for going that route yet. I want to build the whole thing lock stock and barrel, ports too. Put the repository on a network and update all machines from there. Want to use synth or pouderier (sp?) > > That right there are two simplifications you can make to your setup. > > I suggest starting simple. Make things more complicated only when you > require it. I am a glutton for punishment, What can I say. > >> Can I use clang and LLVM? Ditching ld? > On the i386 and amd64 architectures clang+llvm has already replaced > gcc. So nothing to do there. Yes I was following that part > As for the llvm.org version of ld, I > believe that isn't quite as far along. Is there a specific reason why > you need to change which ld is used? > I would like to goto llvm ld so I don't have to do this again. I am rebuilding my entire network and want to have all the machines using the same base and ports. I will have two raspberrypi that handle DNS, NTP, NNTP and email ( full email server exim and dovcot2 plus fetchmail ) Right now this is on an old Dell lapdog using jails I have a third raspberrypi 3 that I will try to run ningx (sp?), when FreeBSD goes pi 3. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 02:37:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6F8BD7FD9 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 02:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pipfstarrd@openmailbox.org) Received: from smtp11.openmailbox.org (smtp26.openmailbox.org [62.4.1.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3BEBD83 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 02:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pipfstarrd@openmailbox.org) Received: by mail.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 20002) id A099D200FD0; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 23:50:45 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1473630645; bh=0I8If+GeAPeB39A3872fpEIUAgPioatcCE8J4j2EbQo=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=tqVlfYoftA0NZHmUgj2aCN5SMB07dZySq13g+VSlgebGo7vMzM9J2GcX1fwebQSru u9g6FPfGB+/uU8mzKhpKEzqGpGht3IvVf/k29I4w/TtkDvbbUMB/eI8Wq0zXWuVPhX 80v/s0fBSKsDn/ScmB8GQTKHmF4DlRlHji037vdM= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on h3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Subject: Re: freebsd-update not updating kernel? DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1473630643; bh=0I8If+GeAPeB39A3872fpEIUAgPioatcCE8J4j2EbQo=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kSe3Bsy+ZkkMHDVeXNOeU5uSD/AqU1dxP/WKZrU+dur9tOe9w10tFIdEa7NjyBoCs T7TArC57vLD1aeUUz5YL8pDE63oDpprhFgu2BzpaSjQNh/1Oak78qnnQWKshNDB9+O gGPoIEtwbks4HF12EOI3ak6n5zpTPORuB9afeTeU= To: Matthew Pounsett References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: twilight Message-ID: <7e471e4c-2c11-bbe2-7549-18bd4b16471d@openmailbox.org> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:50:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 02:37:27 -0000 > It looks to me from what I'm pasting below as if there is a kernel out > there somewhere for 9.3-RELEASE-p45, but freebsd-update is unable/unwilling > to fetch it. I've also got Virtualbox segfaulting, which frequently > happens to me mid-upgrade when there's a kernel/package mismatch. > > Does anyone have an explanation for what's happening here? > > % uname -a > FreeBSD localhost 9.3-RELEASE-p43 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p43 #0: Sat May 28 > 00:19:32 UTC 2016 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 Consider checking freebsd-version(1) output as: > The following options are available: > -k Print the version and patch level of the installed kernel. > Unlike uname(1), if a new kernel has been installed but the system has not yet rebooted, freebsd-version will print the version and patch level of the new kernel. And as you get from this quote, the following: > % lsof >/dev/null > lsof: WARNING: compiled for FreeBSD release 9.3-RELEASE-p45; this is > 9.3-RELEASE-p43. might occur if you forgot to reboot. Yeah, it's a stupid advice and you've probably rebooted, but just in case. -- Cheers~ PGP key fingerprint: 07B3 2177 3E27 BF41 DC65 CC95 BDA8 88F1 E9F9 CEEF You can retrieve my public key at pgp.mit.edu. 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I am going to need some help To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:19:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SMFvsiK474IqVFtb2xf5g6r9miMPRkUda" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:19:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --SMFvsiK474IqVFtb2xf5g6r9miMPRkUda Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ITuDTAwoIeO8Q5ln1Wa2O2h9fqPWv1TxX"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: YIKES! I am going to need some help References: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> --ITuDTAwoIeO8Q5ln1Wa2O2h9fqPWv1TxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/09/2016 15:41, Baho Utot wrote: > - Install 4 1TB hard drives for ZFS raid Z array. >=20 > - Load FreeBSD ( current USB image ) from USB using ZFS. >=20 > Will the installer do this or do I need to tweak it? The installer will create a RAIDZ array for you no problem, and FreeBSD will be able to boot from it. > Will my present 10.3 version still function while I am setting > this up? I don't see why not. I'm not sure how you're intending to switch between each of these three different OSes while you're building your RAIDZ based system -- normally you'ld use something like grub, but given this is only intended to be a temporary state, you probably don't want the bother of setting that up. If you want to copy files between the existing 10.3 setup and the new 11.0 RAIDZ then it will be pretty trivial to boot into one of those OSes and mount the filesystems from the other -- but there are pitfalls to booting into 10.3 and trying to mount the 11.0 files: - When you import the 11.0 ZFS remember to use the '-R /mnt' flags, or it will overlay your exising root directory - As I recall, there are some new feature flags in ZFS under 11.0 that aren't supported in 10.x, which you need to avoid using to maintain compatibility. See zpool-features(7) for the full details. Best to render the whole question moot and boot into 11.0 and then mount any 10.3 filesystems onto that. > I will have win7 on the first primary drive an SSD and then > remove the second drive after I get this going. >=20 > I want to create filesystems on the Raid Z array like /usr/home= > /usr/ports /usr/ports/packages etc. >=20 > You can suggest any other filesystems if it will be helpful= =2E One thing you might want to consider is using some space on your SSDs for a separate ZIL and/or ARC device -- this can give you a significant performance boost, although how much does depend greatly on your workload and mix of files. The other thing when creating ZFSes is to resist the temptation to make huge numbers of them. Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should. Given the shared storage nature of ZFS, you really only need a separate ZFS as a hook to apply different flags to a specific tree of files. On the whole, it is easier to manage one big ZFS than many small ones. Cheers, Matthew --ITuDTAwoIeO8Q5ln1Wa2O2h9fqPWv1TxX-- --SMFvsiK474IqVFtb2xf5g6r9miMPRkUda Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJX1lcJXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATv5UP/1NLtM2JNf5Pua2Cb0IustjP aezwYPY7xF6N8O5DUj3oPXLW1qCXcb84IkBRx/gfcpeQq6CBumpYpOVhXsnwJa8Z lFdGENx0S9+iBbKT9IThqyPf6cMMyLQikqktCbpKotukT8+9WcYmM3L/PsIOp7u+ JBN313jGpeaMeVxidFisBfj13DoviQv5awtLKuOOanvQqJ9nTb2wk8z6TOjVxCiZ PUxq+D0ZK7azd9MG+gDc+FJ4hPiy/0A5GZGYssWztrMydmuWM4E1G7iLHkmcXWRb uA7JIAewq7P9bW7IakIZZqH0HqOUvWJ0FaIgv/WsayRrOKa1ZnUOGVbVkYvxcu2Q BEvflinv610lvthOncMTR29adlNSjJzPO4RcFk1ilP/tJp+A+F9LlITc8Vh9v45X UF8bXZzyJiyPq4yvv5m3CJJcVC9W0i7M0i38zqlmiqBZ5rhyapUYrmWxHca53o3f zS45OdzT6snHt/wpxBASN0Z8RiLUBvk5613IJJVQ5IBb9V3FjU4gQdlJsZbJmJZl 6wCGzFkH+wCrvD2zP0SZimC6F7WS/A/Z2cT0j0k3FaLYQZ82QhRFCGKQp2Wksrwy NPmSIh/6kF9PWCJYB+/IaXDxfmUJIcjK7MdEsG2MZWtxr9c96IC2D2mlKRL0ITC9 Ylonrk3PIPP0ydBBdX4t =23pM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SMFvsiK474IqVFtb2xf5g6r9miMPRkUda-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 12:18:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEEDBD7F45 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from mail.wolk.co.za (mail.wolk.co.za [197.189.230.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70464DFA for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from poskantoor (cal.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0452330E2 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:18:35 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wolk.co.za Received: from mail.wolk.co.za ([10.30.40.70]) by poskantoor (mail.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id qlWywUfhN4ON for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:18:26 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.201] (unknown [41.189.77.118]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48E8922B496 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:18:26 +0200 (SAST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Coert Subject: pkg fetch -a Message-ID: <57D69D11.7090502@vlymskerp.net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:18:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:18:45 -0000 Hello all, In relation to my question about /var/cache/pkg and Matthew's answer, I am now doing pkg fetch -y -a -o /data/mirror/pkg/ It runs for a while, and now repeatedly bombs out with: pkg: cartotheque-0.1_6 failed checksum from repository If I restart it, it continues where it left off, successfully downloading the package. Am I doing something wrong? I tried pkg update -f a few times but no difference. And our internet connection at my place of work is good and reliable. Any ideas? Kind regards, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 14:26:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ADDBD8671 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C6442EB for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bjSCA-001c35-Kt>; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:50 +0200 Received: from p578a69f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.138.105.249] helo=freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bjSCA-001QcV-Bu>; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:45 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: freebsd-questions Subject: Firefox: firefox dies quietly. How to debug? Message-ID: <20160912162645.179d0b09@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 87.138.105.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:26:53 -0000 I'm working on a simple NanoNSD based application using a small autologin image of FreeBSD 12-CURRENT. The intention is to autologin a user and start via xinit a X11 session with Firefox. So far. Autologin works, I can start the X11/wmaker session and also open xterm, xpdf as clients. But I can not start firefox or libreoffice - they die quietly. I do not see anything in the X11 logs nor do I see logs on the console telling me something irregularyly has happened. I tried to look for some "verbosity" flags on firefox, but I didn't find anything suitable. Does someone here know how to make firefox a bit more verbose? Any help appreciated. Please CC me, I'm not subscribing this particular list. Thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 14:55:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F670BD8D6B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC70E65C for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-184.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5CCE27744; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:54:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8CEsovL002098; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:54:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:54:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Firefox: firefox dies quietly. How to debug? Message-Id: <20160912165450.84b4e347.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20160912162645.179d0b09@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> References: <20160912162645.179d0b09@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:55:01 -0000 On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:45 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > The intention is to autologin a user and start via xinit a X11 session with > Firefox. So far. Autologin works, I can start the X11/wmaker session and also > open xterm, xpdf as clients. But I can not start firefox or libreoffice - they > die quietly. > > I do not see anything in the X11 logs nor do I see logs on the console telling > me something irregularyly has happened. I tried to look for some "verbosity" > flags on firefox, but I didn't find anything suitable. > > Does someone here know how to make firefox a bit more verbose? One of the easiest ways is to start Firefox from inside a regular X terminal (classic xterm program works fine) to capture possible text output (if nothing is logged in the file ~/.xsession-errors, or if there is "too much noise" inside that file to determine what messages belong to the Firefox startup process). For a more verbose output, run "truss firefox" in xterm. This should provide you a good impression of what's happening. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 15:55:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4EBD8A03 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4266BB74 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bjTaJ-0027mr-3r>; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:55:51 +0200 Received: from x5ce1314e.dyn.telefonica.de ([92.225.49.78] helo=thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bjTaI-001YIO-QB>; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:55:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:55:46 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Firefox: firefox dies quietly. How to debug? Message-ID: <20160912175546.140cfb81.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <20160912165450.84b4e347.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20160912162645.179d0b09@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <20160912165450.84b4e347.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/mhoLpVFWsXZLLymSsX_USGN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Originating-IP: 92.225.49.78 X-ZEDAT-Hint: A X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:53 -0000 --Sig_/mhoLpVFWsXZLLymSsX_USGN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:54:50 +0200 Polytropon schrieb: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:45 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > The intention is to autologin a user and start via xinit a X11 session = with > > Firefox. So far. Autologin works, I can start the X11/wmaker session an= d also > > open xterm, xpdf as clients. But I can not start firefox or libreoffice= - they > > die quietly.=20 > >=20 > > I do not see anything in the X11 logs nor do I see logs on the console = telling > > me something irregularyly has happened. I tried to look for some "verbo= sity" > > flags on firefox, but I didn't find anything suitable. > >=20 > > Does someone here know how to make firefox a bit more verbose? =20 >=20 > One of the easiest ways is to start Firefox from inside a > regular X terminal (classic xterm program works fine) to > capture possible text output (if nothing is logged in the > file ~/.xsession-errors, or if there is "too much noise" > inside that file to determine what messages belong to the > Firefox startup process). Firefox is started manually while I develop and configure, so I already hav= e a xterm open and start firefox from within. The curious thing is, that there is no ~/.xs= ession-errors nor is there any other type of output (even no console, no /var/log/message= s).=20 >=20 > For a more verbose output, run "truss firefox" in xterm. > This should provide you a good impression of what's happening. >=20 >=20 I'll try this next time, thanks for the tipp.=20 Greetings, Oliver --Sig_/mhoLpVFWsXZLLymSsX_USGN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX1tACAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8FVsIANsZMvqCD60FJfmFXgQwHtVR w/rn3GAeAyU7YO4Xkk3oBqJxdoUcR+njuRI2jWdMLm+UzQ3UaiKszuOmTLoA1lTh fKNUpY2wJhKD0ItT2kVkL1R3/1TIb7BlXQZzsrA7cY3vUoECATqo2K8vDwgrHdaU yP+LCdNHrdBGpWYUlhCSbp9qqkNEQKI5N7rJvBQfHgDDdXRxTe78Ui/JyuJAfnfM K2f9Q6cX8xF7JVEKk34Ig335nTsagfIq1hnXGu6WWHCw51Jb91axYt6Me8zmBrYI mJ2Z/8ksUphmuAi6HYYKpeGgzkbx7yXbyGgivSnNI9M2jiQeINnFTyDDJm3zu+c= =TVV/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/mhoLpVFWsXZLLymSsX_USGN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 16:12:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12ABBD7580 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A70ED62 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3sXt3f30HZzRRqk for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:06:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mcs.it Received: from baobab.bilink.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (baobab.mcs.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 11027) with ESMTP id qLiJP1jx1O24 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3sXt3f2988zRRqj for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mordeus (unknown [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627F01B7580 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:06:44 +0200 From: Luciano Mannucci To: freebsd-questions Subject: Bios informations from UEFI machines X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Face: 4qPv4GNcD; h<7Q/sK>+GqF4=CR@KmnPkSmwd+#%\F`4yjKO3"C]p'z=(oWRnsYBQGM\5g:4skqQY0NnV'dM:Mm:^/_+I@a"; [-s=ogufdF"9ggQ'=y MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3sXt3f2988zRRqj@baobab.bilink.it> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:12:43 -0000 I have a laptop which is a 5 hundred kilometer away from my office just now, and I wish to ask it some info on what motherboard it is running on. It is running FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p4 and it is a Toshiba satellite of some kind. Sysinfo tells me to ask dmidecode: root@morduke:~ # sysinfo system Generated by SysInfo v1.0.1 by Daniel Gerzo System information INFO: Run `dmidecode -t system` to see further information. Base board information INFO: Run `dmidecode -t baseboard` to see further information. Though dmidecode seems unable to answer: root@morduke:~ # dmidecode -t baseboard # dmidecode 3.0 Scanning /dev/mem for entry point. # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry. Is there a way fo ask UEFI for that kind of information? Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 16:52:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450D0BD82DA for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jasoncwells@fastmail.com) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C5F195 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jasoncwells@fastmail.com) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC7E209C1 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:52:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=vjy4gbbZFmTJt/XSwRJyeSTPZ0E =; b=B2yvfE8/RKN6JiwLcvc5dklDroJdmXhUzgwRzz8tj5qcXSAJRdx3pAQKq+f 0pA0R27P1SqLiB/HUGC5cL1/i9vYYg47nzLm+ERAoP4EnD3oWqAvgyWYskhMCeIQ 5rt5eDE4u4t2qgRFsLbQdjyXG2R7+Cnm39/vz8DkjOBB6Gnc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=vj y4gbbZFmTJt/XSwRJyeSTPZ0E=; b=BJZYZQCy/wXec+ENhnqxWJORGCjWUt4TLB kQxd+wr2vOR1Bre6jJBbshMt/1jXShr6CamtbJ4nST5ZNDVl68NsFTH18XSMG4s4 /Oxz2YX1FvRZZNG4p3SmzBzQu6/ZWlJVEG3htUtTe9S4SxFcarwfvh2kVF4K0sXd jMAyyF/x8= X-Sasl-enc: uDNHLo6PP2xPrsMZotlp+F+kv48BZq2TNihD6M76eEou 1473699135 Received: from [192.168.1.195] (97-113-189-48.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.189.48]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 36A16CCE8B for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:52:15 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Telnetd does not offer KERBEROS_V5 authentication Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:52:11 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:52:17 -0000 When I attempt to telnet to a FreeBSD 10.3 host, the telnetd does not offer KERBEROS_V5 as an authentication method. With debugging turned on, I see only: td: recv suboption AUTHENTICATION IS NULL CLIENT | ONE-WAY inetd.conf has 'telnetd -a valid'. The host principal exists and has been added to the telnetd host's keytab. Pam is configured to enable pam_krb5. 'ldd /usr/libexec/telnetd' shows that libkrb5 is linked. How do I enable Kerberos authentication for telnetd in FreeBSD 10.3? Regards, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 18:41:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03F4BD8781 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49449DC4 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id a6so68814418wmc.0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:41:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=veo+X6V7LuFPIaG2x46uNU7bMBZwMMMsxKzFH842OCg=; b=olpDCs2ATQDlG8sc9st/csmYqGzQGxVg/wcAcz5KdnkqcILMRz00a0PymxU7oCrrQg UMIhba+cNfAmsP6q574zcMJveyze7TJvxcwEOyziDjJziA2VyLKjMQvAD0+GIA+AMVUE cQtPQbPlSoRo+h0VspG9Sz3uHdD8+KctUW8Ag4YYVYvznqk+r7sGqJmTIKecenfzjutl l+GY0nu2xIj80otH0GPNkzbOfW8yxz6+TzJfNzZSNhjLGEDOVtv1qRcC3s8jv2c1USBH qLwQ5sTOfLPfyPgGW7Ew5YpV9bx853s+Z5oyKeTVygqkYvYb7sMjH5eq+BpDC0nvMBwP qoQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=veo+X6V7LuFPIaG2x46uNU7bMBZwMMMsxKzFH842OCg=; b=Ke6MxFGYP8v1bN4TCFI2FZm59imxzNfHPJAn0a7ORc6OFwqV7VEBEPGj3UqP+9yWNO lOD2XSgvMkBjXpfJ/5dNP244KoMMLIhZem7kpONp83ZVVIFWfqpZqi7eXDoofwh5vYiw KiSO30FlZHNv1ySRBZZ+o9/xcHa3QpgC56HI1VOO0LTLVGWaIR5WxttPMH/VSiXNPY14 Kiq4yBx4F/dTq0sr3D46tZuIZgdRlobi679H5NcCGRKA6FLO3IeQtJLkkqmw94AwSxBO b4NwlvRcXSoSmXCJq5nCFtV4gAbQRRjOas45L0VG7s0qLsj6vy/qieXUaEuQYWtxsVH0 4qLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPYPenpWA0OarFXer9XJEuDSIBB4h3Bt1U8Gi0CUq4dQpNO9XCLHTHq4SvZMBoDaziDCiOFixK2ADYCyQ== X-Received: by 10.28.48.71 with SMTP id w68mr13035934wmw.4.1473705708763; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.63.173 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.63.173 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57D69D11.7090502@vlymskerp.net> References: <57D69D11.7090502@vlymskerp.net> From: krad Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg fetch -a To: Coert Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:41:50 -0000 Are you running out of space on the filesystem, or any temp areas used by pkg? On 12 Sep 2016 1:18 p.m., "Coert" wrote: > Hello all, > > In relation to my question about /var/cache/pkg and Matthew's answer, > > I am now doing pkg fetch -y -a -o /data/mirror/pkg/ > It runs for a while, and now repeatedly bombs out with: > > pkg: cartotheque-0.1_6 failed checksum from repository > > If I restart it, it continues where it left off, successfully downloading > the package. > Am I doing something wrong? I tried pkg update -f a few times but no > difference. > > And our internet connection at my place of work is good and reliable. > > Any ideas? > > Kind regards, > Coert > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 19:18:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0188BD8D82 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:18:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk [90.155.4.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BA95E97 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.49.114] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1bjWjs-0000WU-2M; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:17:56 +0100 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B93A402; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:17:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:17:47 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Firefox: firefox dies quietly. How to debug? Message-ID: <20160912191747.GA94256@lime.woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: "O. Hartmann" , Polytropon , freebsd-questions References: <20160912162645.179d0b09@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <20160912165450.84b4e347.freebsd@edvax.de> <20160912175546.140cfb81.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160912175546.140cfb81.ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-PRERELEASE amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:18:00 -0000 On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 05:55:46PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > Am Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:54:50 +0200 > Polytropon schrieb: > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:26:45 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > > > The intention is to autologin a user and start via xinit a X11 session > > > with Firefox. So far. Autologin works, I can start the X11/wmaker > > > session and also open xterm, xpdf as clients. But I can not start > > > firefox or libreoffice - they die quietly. > > > > > > I do not see anything in the X11 logs nor do I see logs on the console > > > telling me something irregularyly has happened. I tried to look for some > > > "verbosity" flags on firefox, but I didn't find anything suitable. > > > > > > Does someone here know how to make firefox a bit more verbose? > > > > One of the easiest ways is to start Firefox from inside a > > regular X terminal (classic xterm program works fine) to > > capture possible text output (if nothing is logged in the > > file ~/.xsession-errors, or if there is "too much noise" > > inside that file to determine what messages belong to the > > Firefox startup process). > > Firefox is started manually while I develop and configure, so I already have > a xterm open and start firefox from within. The curious thing is, that there > is no ~/.xsession-errors nor is there any other type of output (even no > console, no /var/log/messages). $ firefox -h shows the args you can start Firefox with, some of which might be useful to you. Failing that, I'd probably fire an email off in the direction of gecko@ and ask them how they go about debugging it. Starting off with a fresh Firefox profile might be worth a try, if you're not doing that already. > > > > > For a more verbose output, run "truss firefox" in xterm. > > This should provide you a good impression of what's happening. > > > > > > I'll try this next time, thanks for the tipp. > > Greetings, > Oliver Regards, -- Frank https://woodcruft.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 12 20:25:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACD7BD8294 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8602D0E for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:49486] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9F/1A-20408-60F07D75; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:24:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bjXmQ-0002ho-5L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:24:38 -0400 Subject: Re: YIKES! I am going to need some help To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26ad38a5-e7cf-feeb-a4b1-a66cddc38ec1@columbus.rr.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <8be07129-a8d2-8909-d7e0-32435f979bf4@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:24:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:25:52 -0000 On 09/12/16 03:19, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 11/09/2016 15:41, Baho Utot wrote: >> - Install 4 1TB hard drives for ZFS raid Z array. >> >> - Load FreeBSD ( current USB image ) from USB using ZFS. >> >> Will the installer do this or do I need to tweak it? > The installer will create a RAIDZ array for you no problem, and FreeBSD > will be able to boot from it. OK > >> Will my present 10.3 version still function while I am setting >> this up? > I don't see why not. I'm not sure how you're intending to switch > between each of these three different OSes while you're building your > RAIDZ based system -- normally you'ld use something like grub, but given > this is only intended to be a temporary state, you probably don't want > the bother of setting that up. I boot to win7 and freebsd using the freebsd loader. Just did not know if it would automatically find the Raidz and boot It needs to boot to win7 10.3 and the new 11.x as it will take me some time to get the 11.x going and all the ports built. After I get it functional I will mount the UFS 10.3 file systems and copy what I need over to 11.x > If you want to copy files between the existing 10.3 setup and the new > 11.0 RAIDZ then it will be pretty trivial to boot into one of those OSes > and mount the filesystems from the other -- but there are pitfalls to > booting into 10.3 and trying to mount the 11.0 files: > > - When you import the 11.0 ZFS remember to use the '-R /mnt' flags, or > it will overlay your exising root directory > > - As I recall, there are some new feature flags in ZFS under 11.0 that > aren't supported in 10.x, which you need to avoid using to maintain > compatibility. See zpool-features(7) for the full details. > > Best to render the whole question moot and boot into 11.0 and then mount > any 10.3 filesystems onto that. > >> I will have win7 on the first primary drive an SSD and then >> remove the second drive after I get this going. >> >> I want to create filesystems on the Raid Z array like /usr/home >> /usr/ports /usr/ports/packages etc. >> >> You can suggest any other filesystems if it will be helpful. > One thing you might want to consider is using some space on your SSDs > for a separate ZIL and/or ARC device -- this can give you a significant > performance boost, although how much does depend greatly on your > workload and mix of files. Will have to look into that > The other thing when creating ZFSes is to resist the temptation to make > huge numbers of them. Just because you can, doesn't mean that you > should. Given the shared storage nature of ZFS, you really only need a > separate ZFS as a hook to apply different flags to a specific tree of > files. On the whole, it is easier to manage one big ZFS than many small > ones. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > Just want to separate some of the filesystems thats all Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 06:35:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5B2BD7705 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from mail.wolk.co.za (mail.wolk.co.za [197.189.230.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D59227D for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from poskantoor (cal.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D733E23317B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:35:52 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wolk.co.za Received: from mail.wolk.co.za ([10.30.40.70]) by poskantoor (mail.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id XTbiPs761oep for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:35:46 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.201] (unknown [41.189.77.118]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 892AD22B496 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:35:46 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: pkg fetch -a To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57D69D11.7090502@vlymskerp.net> From: Coert Message-ID: <57D79E42.5040409@vlymskerp.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:35:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:35:57 -0000 Hello krad, my /tmp is a 2GB memory disk, with more than enough free space, and /data/mirror/pkg is a zfs dataset with: compression=lz4 atime=off xattr=off (should this maybe be on?) and it has more than 1TB available On 12/09/2016 20:41, krad wrote: > Are you running out of space on the filesystem, or any temp areas used by > pkg? > > On 12 Sep 2016 1:18 p.m., "Coert" wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> In relation to my question about /var/cache/pkg and Matthew's answer, >> >> I am now doing pkg fetch -y -a -o /data/mirror/pkg/ >> It runs for a while, and now repeatedly bombs out with: >> >> pkg: cartotheque-0.1_6 failed checksum from repository >> >> If I restart it, it continues where it left off, successfully downloading >> the package. >> Am I doing something wrong? I tried pkg update -f a few times but no >> difference. >> >> And our internet connection at my place of work is good and reliable. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Kind regards, >> Coert >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >> @freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 07:53:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC209BD1063 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7FCAF6C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EB9BE63A046 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:45:38 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions From: David Benfell Subject: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging Message-ID: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:46:06 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rSPDEbRksLfXgeHbXCaXJx3LmKAeeLmPB" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:53:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --rSPDEbRksLfXgeHbXCaXJx3LmKAeeLmPB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="f6CKfHBg5LpRVrHcXr9A62OD5sUjE9r07" From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> Subject: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging --f6CKfHBg5LpRVrHcXr9A62OD5sUjE9r07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Perhaps I should be directing this question elsewhere, but I'm unsure. This is: vegan# freebsd-version ; uname -a 10.3-STABLE FreeBSD vegan.parts-unknown.org 10.3-STABLE FreeBSD 10.3-STABLE #0 r304931: Sat Aug 27 21:11:45 PDT 2016 =20 root@vegan.parts-unknown.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 vegan# php --version PHP 5.6.24 (cli) (built: Aug 6 2016 14:24:06) Copyright (c) 1997-2016 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.6.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2016 Zend Technologies with Zend OPcache v7.0.6-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2016, by Zend Technologies php is built from the port. I'm encountering a problem which turns out to arise consistently with, of all things, phpinfo(). It appears to hang and is at least taking much, much too long to respond. Why would this be the case and how can I fix it? Thanks! --f6CKfHBg5LpRVrHcXr9A62OD5sUjE9r07-- --rSPDEbRksLfXgeHbXCaXJx3LmKAeeLmPB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX167FAAoJEOoml8Ul4D7WJnwQAKycLVmlyE3T0C5GRlbrAsfl q1A2YoYS+FihHvC4xOq22yC8A1hsewNWo5vwsZCxM6YBz3mhLCUDgbD4shNqa5t8 tCgc9FLVofiHK8cOHlxUGdEhTuHOojoUb4Sjj0UreItuQEh4zA9TcVcQhCgrdX+x kHPb3H5/LqacRNbugtPuXCWzPPUA8JbutA6z/fS2vC/a3qc6toX03XjLUds3myhT SsVumghYPqXDZplPGBdZVF/dphTWhFAQBlYhEwod24P/2UNYLZOY0DDVgxbctlQs bvNevxc5zgRQTxPJaYa5MSx+tMijluTotm4HVx6aGxNKi2xH32oiF82HfheDDcke zBJjn2Wm8/NLB+YzJ8w6nWy4PDaNVqRiCKrvZ+HkIDMy8PGvUEtlqowS8jqy0qwr PEhStyLNHn4BnszGQ27KxUBg0DJUWaH/FxpibclhSkrq3ZeFHCJF2OrjIKhS4t3x 1m6Uk4QfDKETbqhQ/r40NaXq/55cWy0fLSqvKTGvorqkSqGzxagEddfLIqd9Vx+/ +mV04zw032EGbjOjAFGsZYe2assKaE+snF9yIoABoIAPMiTYrkm93n8dq/i7oCQV LxCNXLuPoZm0JpD6aF0w1j8ZnGwnC5qVJtexL2KoTn29bO6vePcWI2lK3Dh+SFDX AfMuEsS3SAJNEFbStIZH =F8ip -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rSPDEbRksLfXgeHbXCaXJx3LmKAeeLmPB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 08:34:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC05BD1EBB for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from mail.wolk.co.za (mail.wolk.co.za [197.189.230.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE35860 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@vlymskerp.net) Received: from poskantoor (cal.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D3233198 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:34:44 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wolk.co.za Received: from mail.wolk.co.za ([10.30.40.70]) by poskantoor (mail.wolk.co.za [10.30.40.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 070_3K7FsVQ0 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:34:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.201] (unknown [41.189.77.118]) by mail.wolk.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFF9122B496 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:34:38 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: pkg fetch -a To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57D69D11.7090502@vlymskerp.net> <57D79E42.5040409@vlymskerp.net> From: Coert Message-ID: <57D7BA1E.7080405@vlymskerp.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:34:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57D79E42.5040409@vlymskerp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:34:47 -0000 I also tried it with csh instead of bash, but get the same error.. Fetching chemtool-devel-1.7.20050716_7.txz: 100% 195 KiB 200.0kB/s 00:01 pkg: cached package chessx-1.3.2_1: checksum mismatch, fetching from remote Fetching chessx-1.3.2_1.txz: 100% 3 MiB 190.2kB/s 00:19 Fetching childsplay-2.6.5.txz: 100% 20 MiB 676.9kB/s 00:31 Fetching choqok-1.5_1.txz: 100% 2 MiB 1.7MB/s 00:01 pkg: choqok-1.5_1 failed checksum from repository root@tux1:/data/mirror/pkg # after a pkg update -f still same issue.. On 13/09/2016 08:35, Coert wrote: > Hello krad, > > my /tmp is a 2GB memory disk, with more than enough free space, and > /data/mirror/pkg is a zfs dataset with: > compression=lz4 > atime=off > xattr=off (should this maybe be on?) > and it has more than 1TB available > > On 12/09/2016 20:41, krad wrote: >> Are you running out of space on the filesystem, or any temp areas >> used by >> pkg? >> >> On 12 Sep 2016 1:18 p.m., "Coert" wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> In relation to my question about /var/cache/pkg and Matthew's answer, >>> >>> I am now doing pkg fetch -y -a -o /data/mirror/pkg/ >>> It runs for a while, and now repeatedly bombs out with: >>> >>> pkg: cartotheque-0.1_6 failed checksum from repository >>> >>> If I restart it, it continues where it left off, successfully >>> downloading >>> the package. >>> Am I doing something wrong? I tried pkg update -f a few times but no >>> difference. >>> >>> And our internet connection at my place of work is good and reliable. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Coert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >>> @freebsd.org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 18:56:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83A5BD9B9D for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6874BB3 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:62171] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 42/56-05022-D3A48D75; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:49:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:48:22 +0000 Message-ID: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.130:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Lday61vi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:117 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=Pv6_e3K6cICcT8eoZw0A:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:56:54 -0000 I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know whether it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or hardware. Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and base-system downloadable images. Using a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD including Rod Smith's gdisk, I could possibly restore the partition table, assuming hard drive is not going bad. It's a Western Digital Green 3 TB dating to May 2013. Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard drives. I seem to be able to access the partitions, from the USB-stick installation of FreeBSD but not from NetBSD or Linux System Rescue CD, or at least the partition mounted as /home, read-only, would want to rsync that user data to an external USB stick or other drive, before doing anything that could mess the hard disk further and destroy my user data. I have rsync on that USB-stick installation of FreeBSD. I need to fear that any kind of write to that hard drive, even to restore the partition table, could push my data further to destruction if it's a hardware fault. After updating my backup with rsync, I could try to restore the GPT from backup at end of disk; I also found a backup copy of GPT data on the USB stick. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:08:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D48BD8173 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_lists@phess.net) Received: from smtprelay02.ispgateway.de (smtprelay02.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38951871 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick_lists@phess.net) Received: from [91.67.156.200] (helo=mailserver.phess.net) by smtprelay02.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bjsnk-0002nF-UA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:51:24 +0200 Received: from desk8.phess.net (desk8.phess.net [192.168.0.8]) by mailserver.phess.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4484E974 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> From: Patrick Hess Message-ID: <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:51:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Df-Sender: bWFpbGVyQHBoZXNzLm5ldA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:08:08 -0000 On 13.09.2016 09:46, David Benfell wrote: > I'm encountering a problem which turns out to arise consistently with, > of all things, phpinfo(). It appears to hang and is at least taking > much, much too long to respond. So, how long is it taking to respond? If it's taking close to 30 seconds, I'd suggest investigating whether your DNS is working properly. Patrick -- If you'd like to send me a private message, make sure to remove the "_lists" part from my address. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:13:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77233BD853A for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B8E1FC8 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id 1so219054583wmz.1 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NbPPz9hqm+o3w+1G2bKKOHDrH6LTsXbJ6xO1/wecqC4=; b=Bu+JsVv7GChS06YYJfm+pvyNsXZb0VQM0vl+IsAzeAKmACpRwDUEHxAl3Xje4ygzmq hsRUulTsav758vLV1wUqPULkZ6sI6BpSl8DxQW44m3Tv5Ve4KWGmrIXQnS4t1pZSxNQD DMqa9DL7QbRzOatmpRvwOcmjVxaCMwQkrJG+mxAWaJITbe0Odxxi+nMUsZzL12nYvbgB PtTCbHxwZErMHzQaOEtTvUmHlZ13ltKsfk7K7babJkPc9epJ7V61EhpT6qvDCMcky1nk d+vU46srqHpjdmRAgk6a83MkcVWCbvbvZ/+PAXoN79CsWcsxTdwlfjIOHcocDJvgs7Zz odGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NbPPz9hqm+o3w+1G2bKKOHDrH6LTsXbJ6xO1/wecqC4=; b=Hwk77dQlfW6iJjdRuyz/hRbigBPgdwQYihwcc6Ju0A4oAASS5BiQP6v45QPvQZ6Tnn X+B7YcHqpG80Nb1K7yFkjEL6qfP4EXp4lbzd+7rSgJXfehmEH1q2wnw/4RFB+DlRDBc9 nvBl3EvRcXOenPHZpmIO0I2H3SCJIaVoBm0M4ZJBpiEYxqQzvto/hd15gjDxc+CekKV5 1hYalkSeAYTo7b2qwCTtMGMgD7zaLJ0dnz6UTlX9Bu9d62TJHAzIeC1yDNf3JEk31DXf p8t6x2ZMNZy1VraumzUoZokXggMTvYD7SUJPyKYZ8dPOWLnSCapfUY0tfxAYJLUImpA/ gmSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNouZ+d+OxGoctcbz7HEEkU5BAS8IAcXNlxiR3ZPI4/YT5+rsSlgYROQROHnj2hbw== X-Received: by 10.194.102.225 with SMTP id fr1mr20762586wjb.39.1473793993288; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osk.homenet ([2001:470:196e:13:f2de:f1ff:fed1:783c]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id pm1sm191394wjb.40.2016.09.13.12.13.12 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> From: Shamim Shahriar Message-ID: <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:13:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:13:15 -0000 On 13/09/2016 19:48, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know whether it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or hardware. > > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and base-system downloadable images. > > Using a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD including Rod Smith's gdisk, I could possibly restore the partition table, assuming hard drive is not going bad. It's a Western Digital Green 3 TB dating to May 2013. Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard drives. > > I seem to be able to access the partitions, from the USB-stick installation of FreeBSD but not from NetBSD or Linux System Rescue CD, or at least the partition mounted as /home, read-only, would want to rsync that user data to an external USB stick or other drive, before doing anything that could mess the hard disk further and destroy my user data. I have rsync on that USB-stick installation of FreeBSD. I need to fear that any kind of write to that hard drive, even to restore the partition table, could push my data further to destruction if it's a hardware fault. > > After updating my backup with rsync, I could try to restore the GPT from backup at end of disk; I also found a backup copy of GPT data on the USB stick. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My personal preference is WD Red (and NOT the Pro, just RED). It looks excellent on paper, and so far I have not had any failure on them (fingers crossed). The oldest I have is around 3 years old, used in a server, and zfs shows no data error. Drives I will definitely stay away from (at least for the next 5 years) is Seagate -- specially barracuda and the like. Lost several of them as they approached their 13th month life time -- similar use case (and sometimes even less). But I'm sure there are others in this list who has run extensive tests on HDDs and can recommend something better with practical data to back their findings. Hope this helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:22:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193B3BD8A28 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AADFBAD3 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id i130so12248835wmf.0 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:22:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianwhalen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3xGS3YaA8Uc/ulfpRVVNHlEH3qxZ+NkzhbJbUei5648=; b=PeEMGyzFHOAvcD1eea5Y/d3xf8DzhcM0RxcQ0DPGxeeTt8BVX/diKNW5iyciQ9FXno FiNByvFnkZweptTGOicjneKLa1e9YVi5znrdbqDrLxo+oM9E6VzEU/szVZtG4iI65tv1 gDa1dADVrez6HTFCzYwg8llksQRRT+6PEYzCELjpUJZzGgbHkyKsNa471xZrzh5j/iQF V6y2Im4fTuDyGtB2ANZndakx4aHlQFbI9r5kcvLqvhXLvopTWK8d0FoTnvHcBxEVMo7v UZ+bh3oc1LVDU6/4v0ig4BRSDxw7U1f9cF2HuhgPjUifGjQ5zKK4Sb5OsyatGiNZfoWc /A5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3xGS3YaA8Uc/ulfpRVVNHlEH3qxZ+NkzhbJbUei5648=; b=M6JxMzcftTH4aUPcTFfbar1FSIlzDMC+ue92CKHnXBjBUpJdgfSmwe7CawFQXTk3Ni wa7L3MdaS76Fsag1M00/8TQN/ogK4tZUx1ArvWI1OfSWu1hWviS++ewJ38V67s8ovv8Y y7GR3WvEdEIiD0pZeZPbIxZbu4TQmbQeMZH3ML8zA2i11dNatjGGRfxFaWZbKeegwlJt muYAtS5gtbtI1pf65Sz3FlPyM1g99cofvHs7l05o6q5kmx6VswXmRikMjXX7F8nVnFPZ 0MhVRgusNHNvBfJKHyR6qaI8XF37dn98p825GaVPB1JoyZm8dT+gYEKfuuEAzD9FozJb 3THQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOj1RgV4WhSzDYp7CxEW5XE+YMyiK3/Uh8bLM261CbVCNRDPwcBVMGU+jY7dLCc6YNxxNOlixAZ02nU2g== X-Received: by 10.194.158.40 with SMTP id wr8mr19843271wjb.109.1473794538487; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.56.69 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2600:1012:b159:9a9a:d9d7:39c4:cca5:9a12] Received: by 10.28.56.69 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:22:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> From: "Brian W." Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: Shamim Shahriar Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:22:21 -0000 I have an older 74g western dig raptor. I have done perhaps 200 system builds on it. I have been debating a newer bigger version of that. Brian On Sep 13, 2016 12:13 PM, "Shamim Shahriar" wrote: > On 13/09/2016 19:48, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know whether > it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or hardware. > > > > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in > FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and > base-system downloadable images. > > > > Using a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD including Rod Smith's gdisk, I > could possibly restore the partition table, assuming hard drive is not > going bad. It's a Western Digital Green 3 TB dating to May 2013. > Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard drives. > > > > I seem to be able to access the partitions, from the USB-stick > installation of FreeBSD but not from NetBSD or Linux System Rescue CD, or > at least the partition mounted as /home, read-only, would want to rsync > that user data to an external USB stick or other drive, before doing > anything that could mess the hard disk further and destroy my user data. I > have rsync on that USB-stick installation of FreeBSD. I need to fear that > any kind of write to that hard drive, even to restore the partition table, > could push my data further to destruction if it's a hardware fault. > > > > After updating my backup with rsync, I could try to restore the GPT from > backup at end of disk; I also found a backup copy of GPT data on the USB > stick. > > > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > My personal preference is WD Red (and NOT the Pro, just RED). It looks > excellent on paper, and so far I have not had any failure on them > (fingers crossed). The oldest I have is around 3 years old, used in a > server, and zfs shows no data error. > > Drives I will definitely stay away from (at least for the next 5 years) > is Seagate -- specially barracuda and the like. Lost several of them as > they approached their 13th month life time -- similar use case (and > sometimes even less). > > But I'm sure there are others in this list who has run extensive tests > on HDDs and can recommend something better with practical data to back > their findings. > > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:37:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB706BD8F40 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B68E25D for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id F1477CB8CCA; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <64887.128.135.52.6.1473793846.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Thomas Mueller" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:37:42 -0000 On Tue, September 13, 2016 1:48 pm, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know whether > it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or hardware. > > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in > FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and > base-system downloadable images. > > Using a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD including Rod Smith's gdisk, I > could possibly restore the partition table, assuming hard drive is not > going bad. It's a Western Digital Green 3 TB dating to May 2013. > Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard > drives. I for one would avoid any "green" drives (or similarly called: the ones with lower spindle RPMs and spinning down when unused). In addition to their behavior, they are designed for "light use" consumer market, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have noticeably lower longevity. I usually use HGST (formerly Hitachi, before that IBM); - He filled and sealed ones sound really good (we will know statistics on them some 5-7 years down the road, so now we can only guess). Someone may list good ones made the their competitor Seagate. I hope, this helps. Valeri > > I seem to be able to access the partitions, from the USB-stick > installation of FreeBSD but not from NetBSD or Linux System Rescue CD, or > at least the partition mounted as /home, read-only, would want to rsync > that user data to an external USB stick or other drive, before doing > anything that could mess the hard disk further and destroy my user data. > I have rsync on that USB-stick installation of FreeBSD. I need to fear > that any kind of write to that hard drive, even to restore the partition > table, could push my data further to destruction if it's a hardware fault. > > After updating my backup with rsync, I could try to restore the GPT from > backup at end of disk; I also found a backup copy of GPT data on the USB > stick. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:38:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA9CBD7096 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3321359 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473795409; bh=Ua4IdKY2Y17lnYjk2xn/4Sj2miQp3HdMsekxm3NsJqg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=dNqzlV3ffsgKpwo6xGPRpA0kFGfnTBXl5ZDRJwi3ZDWlr8gvydypqlkZBPJWauujnuklTC7pWRc26sdCl/9KW/sqw7Ocez/zMRBFAkc2a82p5PLSO7T//Jg6xZSl3C+sLD8ftT8gIOZqBNhp4gI/a+bsLPsRJHYFiCsnlPQOJ8WP4rOhe7GWYCkwmAwKN0NwrSxkG1vTmaS1tXnLCTYZpd7i4Fp79uaT1QOvhXdA3sw4cfFBcHAbWBoXO0tOoMxwmGIBKFQz6bY7iVXH5NMd5v9Xr++T2tAmz79pOTVD7qTnEJjv7F+XdBfPXdXKNFHhn//L34nsK5HlqBVmNr5pHg== Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm23.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 609091.27876.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .Qv8ShoVM1lB7ULN4yy4MlHibbridoCdc.21j.rlgrsugaN 3eOo0QktqmYvQOG7HV1Bx7..O8ZkumI24pB_1kKcOQyVoYxAg9XHmSoFHuB0 FRo.1sYrMtRHu86X8xN5CtnA9msmBEWVVVlywaDf6UoNWzZ_7wOJeS8a_AGI tl99WExGL0ckvhxW4AAJAP9kcpmLc4O5HG0DPZtaSjUjYY4PDaz9U4tiMqv4 icRWlWN6q0wBgcjujjqArCtRFxEKKWaKwGZHUB1PW3n41O80owUUCqbTdhFQ LKag7lUU23NyfD_Vv.1nsJnHA_3nxC00kcrOzQQo8RZBY4zKc8O2_g6jlkGQ hfMoGLsMcEWhjIMdRxz1l9QzooDlfIKjq8Hf5fIbWJYeArzxuBr6.LlXjkp8 eXbd5HO5y9gWsJFdhkW_QvqF.4dloc3_WjA9khNRxaNR1f3B7RsaK8eXTUQ9 HygxQL3gzyWO3sNcddxqzddqIr0aFOqAQ1KHFCgYEob2DlFhyuKUoFVxwC3a LXU5NwVGybqizGlJRZBmAvR8P27gHQiUEIMbGLobzCzo86vU81BPGqqdO8Mh oxYelvSYIXA_zC97GC7GfenwaEE3Z X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:36:49 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:35 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:48:22 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard >drives. The WD green drives are ok, as long as you don't use KDE, GNOME or a desktop environment that does use gvfs or a similar virtual file system that wakes up the green drive as soon as it spin down. You either need to remove gvfs or similar mechanism or touch the drive before it gets to sleep. Smartd is another culprit that make green drives spin down and up again and again. Be also careful with udisks. Until now I only found one coder that was willing to fix this issue: https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02ed5998b The coders of the big desktop environments claim that WD drives are bad and spin down and up again and again, but this is not true. My goes to sleep after around 30 minutes and stays asleep until it gets touched. I also was in contact with WD. Even if you don't use e.g. KDE, but just one time run K3b the issue appears. IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU Regulation, just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:48:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65618BD73D5 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm15-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9ACBA40 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473796020; bh=vigN0xQIl40BumGxuXkYDWnIW0WE+1dc+k/2ltkOxns=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=fzgQTMCMoVBSPPnAhj4LWYUjSbeTmRqUVeK36BHfzi557PXH9fJCoVdmhkv7t8qRRV7XYNyH/EyoJ7oVbpKecVA4i/4/QObvk/tG/bVC4tGV3gCz1GDKffo8lcUO24C06FL6QjB0VjryEl8N2a88JEOJ5HSZf0S3wAWJlbQyvjy/FIBJeqrueBIozir8Ghcd8x6k3GNbZkU4sjHH4h66pok8SeQuLJcO5wyvWFcTPteh4ER5UN+i5NE5DnhNO1/5xKNNGKWoLVRU+s1aCoXEHmoSeuGC8YNZRD6uKzGGTN/vJ75ROIniT/STo24laWCHgpt9Gg1lSsMNsVLx0gGVyQ== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm15.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:47:00 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:47:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:47:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 891800.38978.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rph2afgVM1ncTfPwSNi2_CpLNNyRH2ig1yN8V.oXMEdn0yy zyQrGxuhERMfXhjUWH0AqC3T0dzvvLYexd1v3A73fvPdBJNnWI2tzMJnHSjG uKWxvWITLF.kieRWe7lamDLJHsNgFTfJthJWzJ5nfjAd8ag7MSuOx9Uy2Ir. KSnqL0kzuWHiKpmhk2wulyAlw292lwcNrr67b0g3kGOPdEesgUMEnx.SWupF l0DuXLktzajn9LSoeb8cClx5DDxo25YAp4KjO8J1p6Vi7Px5fHy_fbTnTiDo yOGTHKjT26opsCYlOeCIJClUrmm08N06GqvwDrtyKhwngPuyqEgOHGFlkiR3 fdbL6arU93TjUebURY.vEed6M5EDxul5GQj23hQkn8K01LlwxjrnhZJfswUu Y.6o60zotYzN3jcbMKi45Mcpx1mjecphTKgcsJLXSV5ddcWaR263U1KJPQbY DbUDv5VndBnMLDPhPlM8.BTjGSJITdVLDIEImd88oB6QAabVYdTkQSDSDf7y X0rGx0OrYtx9kzV5B858RBd_prgvlbNgrhXck17L6aJjIT_7QlTrjCiVdpOb Zb15uK75qExsDdzKO5AMAKMpF7ZlI X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:47:00 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160913214700.10fdcf2f@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:48:56 -0000 Btw. why not compiling using tmpfs? However, not accessing a HDD kills it, the spins do so. Anyway, I do most compiling using tmpfs. I have good luck with my SAMSUNG drives. [root@archlinux rocketmouse]# smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep Family Model Family: SAMSUNG SpinPoint T166 [root@archlinux rocketmouse]# smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep Hours 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 42120 [root@archlinux rocketmouse]# smartctl -a /dev/sdb|grep Family Model Family: SAMSUNG SpinPoint F3 [root@archlinux rocketmouse]# smartctl -a /dev/sdb|grep Hours 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 34051 240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 34051 Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:52:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB56BD75B7 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ADB5D4F for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bjtkg-0003Z4-A9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:52:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bjtl2-000AH0-Ag for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:52:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:52:15 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-Id: <20160913205215.f9631c82186533cdc04c2d60@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:52:27 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:13:11 +0100 Shamim Shahriar wrote: > My personal preference is WD Red (and NOT the Pro, just RED). It looks > excellent on paper, and so far I have not had any failure on them > (fingers crossed). The oldest I have is around 3 years old, used in a > server, and zfs shows no data error. I'll second the WD Red there are two 2TB ones in my array and not a reallocated sector between them! I'm none too impressed with the Toshiba I'm trying the array though, it works and it's fast but it's building up a lot of reallocated sectors (460 so far) good sectors seem to be staying good though the weekly scrub never has to do anything. The other drives are Samsung Spinpoints still going strong - pity they sold out to Seagate. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:58:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7326BD77F3 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm38.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm38.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57077AC for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473796547; bh=lczWQLVAG0YpW4zFlyFD06l5EfweEEE3hoEYKSKaBh8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=FMecMDX+jdN6r79iUB7dJEoJtk1j1H9Eobswj+tcmIfzaMx6zHgHA45WqqesDXj3DXeQCyl4onCBqWFZg+FqwiM/kjUyBZVghHpTKQJV/P/kB0WElYMo0scNZ+7QUYkdQTcLl4IGTlTWWp37RdssVqlFYWFoRhix1ub4PUKBdkLLsof0bCP3vxjLI19AElFsK8exl1axH7dI32jNDHcXZjWNtjAwtfANSAql6oWDlJc6zr928n1OdGVWRN749mavGDVs0w3dhtSXE3cUCD3oOfuGxbooetQgvMhp/7nBjnmRtetdQaLMvlSyleJTygxg0HGBkHMbFTiGNcSsUDD6dw== Received: from [212.82.98.52] by nm38.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:55:47 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.76] by tm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:55:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:55:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 25376.52154.bm@smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Gp5o1E8VM1k8UeEX_bsO0EjPtBQ1.PC.rLqU0s8GUghIqsC XXDqxPWsmNGrDFR6cOGDflDcWP4OSMLBYQw1MNn0Y8PDoScdX_7ClDWluPRf yJJUDu4y70pS0Tex6gpnbvfFgC374bogN6c6qiK1uDi.8KgTHOXoDtHiYkDp oe00JaKKnG4HfOX7AMP73q8ALZsc_ZJnqUcKLxmOi_M0AcXb2mL__5iwPCgX KbvSurVPN8NgU_DuTHP029Ux8qdXlHKYyq6xcV7nP1TLpsR.SwENd8DQZGnZ gWxSdnvGGPUjPSJiAW9jXcLxCJzdMFW_Vb.HFpxXfj7s9K2qLMPLD4RCXSxC 9wdEwNcHYwKu5dpmCbqcK62q9.Kh1h1d3S4L9s1SqBF3Q9lVIRBM3J03YPfI DykQknW.IZFdKcLApeBI4ivaPSmBJNvogX0bj2x7CG0dAor0oKQSOS_3dSh0 mHhzHfEwXT49QSwUStg2YYb8SZ24KcVV7v7YoIIDJDhFGrfCETseGVeHuKTh fjSFlpeI.AFR7x4Tihs_a.jQozOfAAdl8MY8mMR9nQxKo7kmYK__8rd0E8yW P3OGBUtBWH4f0hP2ryEuy8OjZQTg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:55:46 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160913215546.2325ce2d@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160913205215.f9631c82186533cdc04c2d60@sohara.org> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> <20160913205215.f9631c82186533cdc04c2d60@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:58:18 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:52:15 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >The other drives are Samsung Spinpoints still going strong +1 As already pointed out by https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-September/273523.html Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 20:38:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14FCBD9E16 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp205.alice.it (smtp205.alice.it [82.57.200.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC4D1070 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (62.211.162.64) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 57D7C4E800214ACD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:56 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u8DKctTZ054109 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:38:58 -0000 On 09/13/16 21:36, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > The WD green drives are ok, as long as you don't use KDE, GNOME or a Stay away from these in any case. > The coders of the big desktop environments claim that WD drives are bad > and spin down and up again and again, but this is not true. (Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. > IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU > Regulation ??? > just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this > software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they all died within one year. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 20:47:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB19BD9124 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D84F7158D for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 202B8E63A021 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> From: David Benfell Message-ID: <8920b07f-a7ee-581e-7d1a-22b301c5e0c9@parts-unknown.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:47:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Wwb5HOvdnL2jded1BOXdlEgTDxbOCsiIt" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:47:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Wwb5HOvdnL2jded1BOXdlEgTDxbOCsiIt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sFxdeMEHHr79qCFlM7R8Kk5AfPLRiH7rB" From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <8920b07f-a7ee-581e-7d1a-22b301c5e0c9@parts-unknown.org> Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> In-Reply-To: <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> --sFxdeMEHHr79qCFlM7R8Kk5AfPLRiH7rB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/13/2016 11:51 AM, Patrick Hess wrote: > On 13.09.2016 09:46, David Benfell wrote: >> I'm encountering a problem which turns out to arise consistently with,= >> of all things, phpinfo(). It appears to hang and is at least taking >> much, much too long to respond. > > So, how long is it taking to respond? If it's taking close to 30 second= s, > I'd suggest investigating whether your DNS is working properly. The problem didn't go away when I increased maximum execution time beyond 30 seconds. *see my reply to the other reply because this is where I get really profane because I am completely sick of DNS problems*.= Specifically, does phpinfo() want reverse DNS? If so, it's probably hosed at least two out of three times with my set up (and no, I haven't even the first clue why reverse zones don't propagate properly to my slaves). --sFxdeMEHHr79qCFlM7R8Kk5AfPLRiH7rB-- --Wwb5HOvdnL2jded1BOXdlEgTDxbOCsiIt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX2GXhAAoJEOoml8Ul4D7W3pYP/0W3UyDSG0OOfz++RSXKNkVz My8bsHfuuKjvsNsXN8Iuw6XnOzLSHz7hZcGbscu1333YkZl/lx7907eIvpDNVf2P eIh0Na22rwG9iqzB2psKBjCwyykUp2RVIVZM6oZHxQmj6M+z3/aw+c6d6E/ijZxo wA0eWqcoBwsV+FSe+JLNjemzoIs7ghXtC7aVboyTIjxqNHo2TQqVUzb+/1Rm6KlV RXeyB8JunjmbhULRlmhAD8oR+8fQDDjhqALzprxbLP1pc0wmeKmLZ3/88gO6iqtn HeCi8rVOZ6TsNlgcPxxa2QYSd6p7YqgOR24MtoIcH1nZCmJvkaKcOfG0TH7mF54W kQAOH73Y3ED1dFyrw2gZ4/1yV+2cH90O7pklVOcRDpt+89Q6S336DDJ8dVv3WgGW HGaoDGtqFj9dsujOAW7gA17bLdteSvYUdvv0lt3GonObWo4ZlUxbFteWOMPrujCt 1U4xZ5vdxoME73tug7w0TAFQbcUjHgaplRnib0PSmPrHG1BKEgmkYoS8NMgIVDky oPFSoEjBUQZ1Tn5y/hUcIrRP5OC6Zu1y2Mks6aNYtxMWzhOZfewpl8Ms3Fbwfb5p YU8V4B3gfDrOBBEhaMjoxuw9yg1oN8JeQ9jgY4Iq2SCoB5T7L4C1Zr7e7tzWW6Pa o/CNllF518c9HYa0oExA =hox9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Wwb5HOvdnL2jded1BOXdlEgTDxbOCsiIt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 20:56:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33477BD963E for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027D61C98 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F513AE87 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NEVERMIND! Re: Need help: FAIL: Booting 10.3-RELEASE (64) on a VM In-Reply-To: <38923.1473536960@server1.tristatelogic.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:55:32 -0700 Message-ID: <68546.1473800132@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:56:09 -0000 In message <38923.1473536960@server1.tristatelogic.com>, I wrote: > ACPI BIOS Error (bug): A valid RSDP was not found (20150515/tbxroot-258) > panic: running without device atpic requires a local APIC So, it turns out that there was an obscure little toggle switch in the VM management console that allows users to disable ACPI in the VM, and it somehow got inappropriately set to OFF. (I'm not the least bit sure why such a switch even exits in the VM management interface. Why anyone would ever want to intentionally disable ACPI is, I confess, beyond me.) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 21:00:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027DBBD97C9 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9985A1EED for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id b187so15581668wme.1 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianwhalen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PD7/DC3ZBI4lQVIdTfM7sRSzgbcmk+puhIIUrhWzKOA=; b=H0PFzZiXYgvOdjGXkCFMshB54ycbRUBnwAga1kcS/xmaGuSKzu7taBdBYvBtYL4luN ivA+8N2fxpPWRP3VnCRyBY3+a66FWy3QxIfKC/njXqOF43+915YUrfHnVKsIMnG8xIA1 cDaE8v9w3EGLgoat4opiCUeunvPlx+paz1QaC4M+wGZm9AlJoXHgaLKyUhwstfxjAQBK z2gBenuPMilM6nMrVyHwXzpYjVkRuLSWTw0hb/alddx7vmZzRadmXYPF3UUhEyjju7QP Onj37eVXcocaH+TyDphJwsQizlA9hrtsc218g0ynnV0PUr7UdOjj0mA+8h8KXQV6hMPC D+og== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PD7/DC3ZBI4lQVIdTfM7sRSzgbcmk+puhIIUrhWzKOA=; b=AQ4SQrAsy4PFsH03YYKhF8LmCAk/HcAr0uu+MOw4E/2SW30Dk0iKH0w8qvW5esR35D 6XPwuTKFAfcsBZsL+94d9h0sUfMFWSLu4rcAwXha+xITvSfowArfbztceLy2yvCsgABZ hu6msAqEF9rz5ZPvKW7bnzpPqgQ7SLXFCQbNeFpkZqJEskj+4vCnml0DF5EDNF8jbtAm ogDO2d5jvSaXI7JWCfdBEcFitm+c/DFPvUWpgHq19E4ZuSmue26BaQEXaF+NBjYXRK1q 0yIET6FQGzI03Bx7YVuaajaPOKac+r3hFh3UZvgfqzgXGld4PUEXOth8QjlrlWep/7Ue pWug== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPp5CYDW/7vfLsoAs5q1/lRHmXPAyRK5Vs6qnazYHGSkE/irNg+vGQnMWkT6SJQ12FglZF7Ix9tcjofjA== X-Received: by 10.28.25.71 with SMTP id 68mr2694640wmz.91.1473800418780; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:00:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.56.69 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2600:1012:b159:9a9a:d9d7:39c4:cca5:9a12] Received: by 10.28.56.69 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:00:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <68546.1473800132@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <38923.1473536960@server1.tristatelogic.com> <68546.1473800132@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: "Brian W." Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NEVERMIND! Re: Need help: FAIL: Booting 10.3-RELEASE (64) on a VM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:00:21 -0000 To mimic an unusefully old computer? Brisn On Sep 13, 2016 1:56 PM, "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > > In message <38923.1473536960@server1.tristatelogic.com>, I wrote: > > > ACPI BIOS Error (bug): A valid RSDP was not found > (20150515/tbxroot-258) > > panic: running without device atpic requires a local APIC > > So, it turns out that there was an obscure little toggle switch in the > VM management console that allows users to disable ACPI in the VM, > and it somehow got inappropriately set to OFF. > > (I'm not the least bit sure why such a switch even exits in the VM > management > interface. Why anyone would ever want to intentionally disable ACPI is, > I confess, beyond me.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 21:48:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7527CBD97D8 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DCA8DE3 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from [192.168.0.144] (c-24-60-168-172.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [24.60.168.172]) (Authenticated sender: citrin@citrin.ru) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E30B3286D01 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: <08d60f66-34be-078c-925b-6194bf06cefa@citrin.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 17:47:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1473803278; bh=7aX0ySt8yvHtY1JJbPGUBJQGZurGk4OuQWXZFLXWz8Q=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uZWG8bqxhgftckFql/gbL1mIPHOxwVsRuKlvkDgKn4EkwesHZaONFyAAkx3E4MO/bELpVLY0cE87nE2203BoCQ7FgioHNvO5my9dA3H0C2jg+y1MSxXi1iDZbihpDokn7qsQXNKb5ndNEXm+uB4GKcE7mtfCT6zCAfBuXAVLXJc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:48:01 -0000 On 2016-09-13 14:48, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling > in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create > packages and base-system downloadable images. Backblaze has statistics about HDD failure rates: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 21:59:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48376BD9AEE for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1203D273 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-184.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01B4E277DC for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8DLxhcD003098 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:59:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:59:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Relapse to 80x25 text mode from X Message-Id: <20160913235943.81d10d01.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:59:53 -0000 When I initially installed X on my "new" Lenovo Thinkpad R61i, after leaving X (or after switching to text mode with the key combination Ctrl+Alt+PF1) the screen would still show the X image, leaving me "blind" at the console. Changing the sc driver to vt solved that problem, but opened a new one: The text mode font is tiny and unreadable. What is the preferred way of keeping the console in 80x25 mode _and_ being able to switch from/to X? My /boot/loader.conf currently contains: kern.vty=vt kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x800" hw.vga.textmode=1 i915kms_load="YES" In /etc/rc.conf I have tried allscreens_flags="-f gallant" as suggested somewhere, but that just slightly increases the font size (still more than 80x25) and looks ugly. The laptop contains an Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 GPU. The screen has a physical size of 1280 x 800 pixels. In other words: Is it possible to relapse to the default behaviour of 80x25 sc and X that has worked for decades? If yes, how? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 22:31:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF09BD92D1 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from barracuda.ssimicro.com (barracuda.ssimicro.com [96.46.39.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ssimicro.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76E0F61B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by barracuda.ssimicro.com with ESMTP id DGPzIOQb4slWiAdZ (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markham.ssimicro.com (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u8DMUo3Y013259 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from markham@ssimicro.com) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <229375c5-6760-5ff5-101c-e43105af5fdf@gmail.com> <20160913205215.f9631c82186533cdc04c2d60@sohara.org> <20160913215546.2325ce2d@archlinux.localdomain> From: markham breitbach Message-ID: <4c3b757e-3f94-49fa-856b-53c1a7a91263@ssimicro.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:31:39 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160913215546.2325ce2d@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at ssimicro.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:31:49 -0000 I've always had pretty good results from the WD-RE drives, and I've had many of them operating under much less than ideal conditions. I have had a few of them fail out on me through the years, but not <40K hours. Model Family: Western Digital RE3 Serial ATA Device Model: WDC WD5002ABYS-01B1B0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 015 015 000 Old_age =20 Always - 62319 Model Family: Western Digital RE3 Serial ATA Device Model: WDC WD7502ABYS-02A6B0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 020 020 000 Old_age =20 Always - 58855 Model Family: Western Digital RE3 Serial ATA Device Model: WDC WD1002FBYS-02A6B0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 029 029 000 Old_age =20 Always - 52014 I am currently using some RED drives as an rsync daily backup target for a couple dozen servers, so needless to say these guys are under pretty heavy load. The RED are a tad on the slow side, though, and generally seem to have a higher failure rate. Model Family: Western Digital Red (AF) Device Model: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 060 060 000 Old_age =20 Always - 29803 -Markham From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 23:02:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F85BD9DD3; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2A5EB27; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id n143so258529ita.1; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=drg+DO720dshdBsd1gUYnCyBOFmDxDLhb5INH6ZGC0Y=; b=DfLZSAm901Bday/2tUoT2EKgp+XjzwTnU50vHYUIIQ8XxeBfUVAQ3TAwhNMW3oHfRW Xrq4xTownXN9YBtLXtykvmJE8k+WJtsoUN0pOmgw2DIo8njn1+LW1yV2+xhx0UdVxqml Vesnd0m3p1BnBe4F1dtJqgZrT8fOtNHfAukKo8vGRH75gxfcsRyp//rwt9q0qJMWY/vQ /VB9pEHqp9qHUlhUrB+yLwfe9ieTGutCQjifcajMlKwK5z8okWbD1cD/90c337OV7MUi uwhrWZXbDpIPRqU4GN00bQ2WiHmsnQgroSCCNO1Wbe473JZc96MzuK9mCLjpEvizfC7a y3+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=drg+DO720dshdBsd1gUYnCyBOFmDxDLhb5INH6ZGC0Y=; b=FnbHqQ4EJCHZWZDZjelR6mTNBhBpJ94yqspqwYaGZv42AGojvv3VKPkZbU8Pncfctj W69gWkJu5ZS38V/7IZXWcnL7e8C5DuDcEw0FxXbB0JA4cjsHwzWmUpbOT0kT9Lt0GZx8 +PdZWTSdbOrMovwmtE2FaRyaLyifpIECsHtSs4veCLcs8pppwwJI0mDr5NxuEg9F7Oz9 cg/CRSAnzVOsMQRWXqlut4AfZ+Pc7hCcwzIMCSihWVUC33kHILzG/iaex7gJ/IJmx5lv SOTbd/XLvuJzX0Brjm5PnlVgk8Ja9cxkEvnsCvk3qMQ69X+Rds8z2T9ctsFMURrBTZ3V MO0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPDU3d7YilB86qltydJmX5G8rgAs94q+Qv+k8eFYa1EacXDs7r40HEeiDfwaRVE1jBnk+9O7XIbrGydCw== X-Received: by 10.107.171.133 with SMTP id u127mr5963801ioe.102.1473807760131; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.26.3 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:02:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <314bafcd-2e19-9eeb-8f09-ddc3b6cd91bb@bananmonarki.se> References: <314bafcd-2e19-9eeb-8f09-ddc3b6cd91bb@bananmonarki.se> From: Ben Woods Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:02:39 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: Bernt Hansson Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:02:41 -0000 On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following >> apple website doesn't display correctly? >> http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 >> >> What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? > Let's just say that on my FreeBSD system with Firefox it is missing a large chunk of the website content at the top of the page which is visible if I visit it on a Windows computer with Firefox. It is particularly noticeable, since the missing part is the section that allows you to buy a new iPhone. Regards, Ben -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 23:23:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF51BD94FB for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chiller@putsch.kolbu.ws) Received: from mail-ext01.uio.no (mail-ext01.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E56F838 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chiller@putsch.kolbu.ws) Received: from mail-mx1.uio.no ([129.240.10.29]) by mail-out01.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bjx3S-0003UD-0k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:23:54 +0200 Received: from putsch.kolbu.ws ([158.36.191.193]) by mail-mx1.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1bjx3P-0003AW-Tk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:23:53 +0200 Received: from chiller by putsch.kolbu.ws with local (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bjx3P-0009cT-4D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:23:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:23:51 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Server gets a high load, but no CPU use, and then later stops respond on the network Message-ID: <20160913232351.GA36091@putsch.kolbu.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) From: "St\xe5le Bordal Kristoffersen" X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.2, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.154, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 1C2A126BDBB0139AA6C523875750415ACEBA3302 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 158.36.191.193 spam_score: -61 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 2 total 34400 max/h 377 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:23:58 -0000 Hello, I'm struggeling with finding out what is wrong with my current setup. It is a supermicro server, running 10.3-RELEASE-p7, and its main job is to act as a file server (smb, ftp, plex). about once a day, but not in any pattern, it starts getting a load of 5-10 and usually stops responding over the network before I notice it. On the IPMI console, it is still alive, but each key I press usualy ends up typing 4-20 identical letters, making it difficult to debug. A quick reboot fixes it. >From googling a bit, I have tried to disable msix on the igb network interface, and increased the nmbclusters with no apparent change in behaviour. (kern.ipc.nmbclusters="1000000" and hw.igb.enable_msix=0 in loader.conf) Today I noticed it before it became unresponsive, but I could not figure out what the cause is. It had a load of 10, and was very laggy over SSH. I eventually shut down everything else running, and then the load went down to around 5. Does anyone have any good input on what could be the cause, or what to do to debug this problem further? All I see is that the igb0 taskq pid is almost always in the RUN state when the machine is having trouble. Some output from when it was misbehaving: pusen% uptime 11:24PM up 2 days, 2:36, 2 users, load averages: 9.07, 9.20, 7.84 pusen# netstat -m 1033/17447/18480 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 1023/10173/11196/1000000 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 1023/9856 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) 0/3344/3344/1530833 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/453580 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/255138 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 2304K/38083K/40388K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total) 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) 0/0/0 requests for mbufs delayed (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters delayed (4k/9k/16k) 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k) 0 requests for sfbufs denied 0 requests for sfbufs delayed 0 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile pusen# ps auxH | grep R root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2994:03.50 [idle/idle: cpu0] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2990:04.11 [idle/idle: cpu1] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2990:57.17 [idle/idle: cpu2] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2989:48.37 [idle/idle: cpu3] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2989:53.70 [idle/idle: cpu4] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2989:19.11 [idle/idle: cpu5] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2990:05.88 [idle/idle: cpu6] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2991:36.87 [idle/idle: cpu7] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2991:55.68 [idle/idle: cpu8] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2990:33.11 [idle/idle: cpu9] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2993:17.43 [idle/idle: cpu10] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 2973:36.23 [idle/idle: cpu11] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3035:35.84 [idle/idle: cpu12] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3039:04.19 [idle/idle: cpu13] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3034:43.90 [idle/idle: cpu15] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3034:47.94 [idle/idle: cpu16] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3034:31.73 [idle/idle: cpu19] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3032:37.23 [idle/idle: cpu20] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3033:10.67 [idle/idle: cpu21] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3034:16.99 [idle/idle: cpu22] root 11 100.0 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3033:55.10 [idle/idle: cpu23] root 11 99.6 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3033:49.85 [idle/idle: cpu14] root 11 99.3 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3034:06.59 [idle/idle: cpu17] root 11 99.3 0.0 0 384 - RL Sun08PM 3033:11.53 [idle/idle: cpu18] root 0 0.0 0.0 0 6512 - RLs Sun08PM 28:38.29 [kernel/igb0 taskq] root 0 0.0 0.0 0 6512 - RLs Sun08PM 0:00.00 [kernel/mca taskq] root 12 0.0 0.0 0 608 - RL Sun08PM 0:37.35 [intr/swi4: clock] root 54877 0.0 0.0 18768 2960 1 R+ 11:48PM 0:00.00 ps auxH root 54879 0.0 0.0 24392 4060 1 R 11:48PM 0:00.00 -su (zsh) pusen# netstat -w1 input (Total) output packets errs idrops bytes packets errs bytes colls 3 0 0 194 4 0 284 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 182 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 182 0 6 0 0 386 7 0 728 0 2 0 0 126 2 0 236 0 pusen# top -aSP last pid: 55242; load averages: 5.12, 4.41, 5.33 up 2+03:08:35 23:56:22 49 processes: 2 running, 45 sleeping, 1 stopped, 1 waiting CPU 0: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 2: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 4: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 5: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 6: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 7: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 8: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 9: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 10: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 11: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 12: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 13: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 14: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 15: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 16: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 17: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 18: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 19: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 20: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 21: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 22: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle CPU 23: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle Mem: 1028K Active, 135M Inact, 45G Wired, 1449M Free ARC: 42G Total, 10G MFU, 30G MRU, 158K Anon, 193M Header, 1177M Other Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 24 155 ki31 0K 384K CPU23 23 1206.3 2396.63% [idle] 5 root 1 -16 - 0K 16K ipmire 14 100:17 0.00% [ipmi0: kcs] 0 root 407 -8 - 0K 6512K - 22 56:20 0.00% [kernel] 7 root 2 -16 - 0K 32K umarcl 3 6:21 0.00% [pagedaemon] 18 root 1 16 - 0K 16K syncer 14 3:37 0.00% [syncer] 12 root 38 -76 - 0K 608K WAIT 255 3:04 0.00% [intr] 2 root 6 -16 - 0K 96K - 0 2:41 0.00% [cam] 14 root 1 -16 - 0K 16K - 16 1:40 0.00% [rand_harvestq] 3 root 9 -8 - 0K 176K tx->tx 20 1:13 0.00% [zfskern] 17 root 1 -16 - 0K 16K vlruwt 13 1:10 0.00% [vnlru] 762 root 1 20 0 50040K 15212K select 18 0:10 0.00% /usr/local/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/sbin/munin-node 620 root 1 20 0 14520K 2044K select 20 0:06 0.00% /usr/sbin/syslogd -s 15 root 40 -68 - 0K 640K - 0 0:05 0.00% [usb] 686 root 1 20 0 26128K 18044K select 15 0:05 0.00% /usr/sbin/ntpd -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -f /var/db/ntpd.drift 823 root 1 20 0 24156K 5420K select 13 0:02 0.00% sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) 6 root 1 -16 - 0K 16K idle 16 0:02 0.00% [enc_daemon0] 16 root 1 -16 - 0K 16K psleep 19 0:00 0.00% [bufdaemon] 830 root 1 20 0 16624K 712K nanslp 16 0:00 0.00% /usr/sbin/cron -s 826 smmsp 1 20 0 24156K 1056K pause 23 0:00 0.00% sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue (sendmail) 52778 chiller 1 20 0 31060K 5356K pause 23 0:00 0.00% -zsh (zsh) 800 root 1 20 0 61316K 5164K select 17 0:00 0.00% /usr/sbin/sshd 1 root 1 20 0 9492K 460K wait 22 0:00 0.00% [init] 54395 chiller 1 23 0 31060K 5388K pause 23 0:00 0.00% -zsh (zsh) 52777 chiller 1 20 0 86584K 7576K select 23 0:00 0.00% sshd: chiller@pts/0 (sshd) 54394 chiller 1 20 0 86584K 7616K select 19 0:00 0.00% sshd: chiller@pts/1 (sshd) 473 root 1 20 0 13628K 4504K select 22 0:00 0.00% /sbin/devd 54441 root 1 20 0 24392K 4064K pause 15 0:00 0.00% -su (zsh) 52774 root 1 20 0 86584K 7532K select 19 0:00 0.00% sshd: chiller [priv] (sshd) 54050 root 1 20 0 24392K 4064K ttyin 20 0:00 0.00% -su (zsh) 13 root 3 -8 - 0K 48K - 4 0:00 0.00% [geom] 54389 root 1 20 0 86584K 7568K select 13 0:00 0.00% sshd: chiller [priv] (sshd) pusen# vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 6 0 irq18: ehci0 uhci5 2 0 irq19: uhci2 uhci4* 3871680 21 irq21: uhci1 1460 0 cpu0:timer 9994628 54 irq256: igb0 337772029 1834 irq258: mps0 11422070 62 cpu1:timer 5964401 32 cpu22:timer 2525037 13 cpu11:timer 29142129 158 cpu16:timer 2476696 13 cpu5:timer 6016046 32 cpu19:timer 2485297 13 cpu4:timer 5983685 32 cpu21:timer 2584555 14 cpu10:timer 5682385 30 cpu14:timer 2538560 13 cpu8:timer 6397210 34 cpu13:timer 2533735 13 cpu9:timer 5888253 31 cpu18:timer 2578986 14 cpu2:timer 5911061 32 cpu20:timer 2620293 14 cpu3:timer 5977356 32 cpu12:timer 2347271 12 cpu7:timer 5867877 31 cpu17:timer 2507985 13 cpu6:timer 5970321 32 cpu23:timer 2543222 13 cpu15:timer 2475942 13 Total 482080178 2618 pusen# vmstat 1 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 858M 1449M 335 0 0 1 355 4954 0 0 1917 4403 5302 0 0 99 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 1 120 80 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 0 124 81 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 1 120 68 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 1 127 92 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 0 120 91 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 1 121 82 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 0 120 75 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 2 121 96 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 265 0 0 1 126 83 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 217 0 0 1 121 68 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 215 0 0 1 120 88 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 215 0 0 0 121 92 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 215 0 0 0 120 83 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 215 0 0 1 127 90 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 5 120 94 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 1 121 80 0 0 100 0 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 0 123 79 0 0 100 1 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 2 121 76 0 0 100 1 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 4 118 106 0 0 100 1 0 0 858M 1449M 0 0 0 0 0 196 0 0 0 112 87 0 0 100 ^C pusen# zfs-stats -a ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZFS Subsystem Report Wed Sep 14 00:08:39 2016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ System Information: Kernel Version: 1003000 (osreldate) Hardware Platform: amd64 Processor Architecture: amd64 ZFS Storage pool Version: 5000 ZFS Filesystem Version: 5 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 #0: Thu Aug 11 18:38:15 UTC 2016 root 12:08AM up 2 days, 3:21, 3 users, load averages: 5.53, 4.96, 4.94 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ System Memory: 0.00% 2.29 MiB Active, 0.37% 177.05 MiB Inact 96.69% 45.17 GiB Wired, 0.00% 0 Cache 2.94% 1.37 GiB Free, 0.00% 0 Gap Real Installed: 48.00 GiB Real Available: 99.93% 47.96 GiB Real Managed: 97.40% 46.72 GiB Logical Total: 48.00 GiB Logical Used: 96.78% 46.46 GiB Logical Free: 3.22% 1.54 GiB Kernel Memory: 448.42 MiB Data: 94.02% 421.59 MiB Text: 5.98% 26.83 MiB Kernel Memory Map: 46.72 GiB Size: 90.78% 42.41 GiB Free: 9.22% 4.31 GiB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARC Summary: (HEALTHY) Memory Throttle Count: 0 ARC Misc: Deleted: 2.80m Recycle Misses: 0 Mutex Misses: 215 Evict Skips: 394 ARC Size: 92.53% 42.30 GiB Target Size: (Adaptive) 93.09% 42.56 GiB Min Size (Hard Limit): 12.50% 5.71 GiB Max Size (High Water): 8:1 45.72 GiB ARC Size Breakdown: Recently Used Cache Size: 78.25% 33.30 GiB Frequently Used Cache Size: 21.75% 9.26 GiB ARC Hash Breakdown: Elements Max: 798.17k Elements Current: 99.24% 792.10k Collisions: 545.65k Chain Max: 4 Chains: 35.26k ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARC Efficiency: 99.40m Cache Hit Ratio: 94.91% 94.34m Cache Miss Ratio: 5.09% 5.06m Actual Hit Ratio: 90.03% 89.49m Data Demand Efficiency: 98.70% 21.95m Data Prefetch Efficiency: 66.68% 7.20m CACHE HITS BY CACHE LIST: Anonymously Used: 4.61% 4.35m Most Recently Used: 6.92% 6.53m Most Frequently Used: 87.94% 82.97m Most Recently Used Ghost: 0.12% 112.83k Most Frequently Used Ghost: 0.41% 386.44k CACHE HITS BY DATA TYPE: Demand Data: 22.96% 21.66m Prefetch Data: 5.09% 4.80m Demand Metadata: 71.90% 67.83m Prefetch Metadata: 0.05% 44.80k CACHE MISSES BY DATA TYPE: Demand Data: 5.63% 284.71k Prefetch Data: 47.43% 2.40m Demand Metadata: 46.29% 2.34m Prefetch Metadata: 0.65% 33.12k ------------------------------------------------------------------------ L2ARC is disabled ------------------------------------------------------------------------ File-Level Prefetch: (HEALTHY) DMU Efficiency: 200.99m Hit Ratio: 4.81% 9.66m Miss Ratio: 95.19% 191.34m Colinear: 0 Hit Ratio: 100.00% 0 Miss Ratio: 100.00% 0 Stride: 0 Hit Ratio: 100.00% 0 Miss Ratio: 100.00% 0 DMU Misc: Reclaim: 0 Successes: 100.00% 0 Failures: 100.00% 0 Streams: 0 +Resets: 100.00% 0 -Resets: 100.00% 0 Bogus: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VDEV cache is disabled ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZFS Tunables (sysctl): kern.maxusers 3405 vm.kmem_size 50162339840 vm.kmem_size_scale 1 vm.kmem_size_min 0 vm.kmem_size_max 1319413950874 vfs.zfs.trim.max_interval 1 vfs.zfs.trim.timeout 30 vfs.zfs.trim.txg_delay 32 vfs.zfs.trim.enabled 1 vfs.zfs.vol.unmap_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.vol.mode 1 vfs.zfs.version.zpl 5 vfs.zfs.version.spa 5000 vfs.zfs.version.acl 1 vfs.zfs.version.ioctl 5 vfs.zfs.debug 0 vfs.zfs.super_owner 0 vfs.zfs.sync_pass_rewrite 2 vfs.zfs.sync_pass_dont_compress 5 vfs.zfs.sync_pass_deferred_free 2 vfs.zfs.zio.exclude_metadata 0 vfs.zfs.zio.use_uma 1 vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable 0 vfs.zfs.zil_replay_disable 0 vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift 9 vfs.zfs.max_auto_ashift 13 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_max_pending 10000 vfs.zfs.vdev.bio_delete_disable 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.bio_flush_disable 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.write_gap_limit 4096 vfs.zfs.vdev.read_gap_limit 32768 vfs.zfs.vdev.aggregation_limit 131072 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_max_active 64 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_min_active 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.scrub_max_active 2 vfs.zfs.vdev.scrub_min_active 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_max_active 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_min_active 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_read_max_active 3 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_read_min_active 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_write_max_active 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_write_min_active 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_read_max_active 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_read_min_active 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.max_active 1000 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_active_max_dirty_percent60 vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_active_min_dirty_percent30 vfs.zfs.vdev.mirror.non_rotating_seek_inc1 vfs.zfs.vdev.mirror.non_rotating_inc 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.mirror.rotating_seek_offset1048576 vfs.zfs.vdev.mirror.rotating_seek_inc 5 vfs.zfs.vdev.mirror.rotating_inc 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_on_init 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.bshift 16 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.max 16384 vfs.zfs.vdev.metaslabs_per_vdev 200 vfs.zfs.txg.timeout 5 vfs.zfs.space_map_blksz 4096 vfs.zfs.spa_slop_shift 5 vfs.zfs.spa_asize_inflation 24 vfs.zfs.deadman_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.deadman_checktime_ms 5000 vfs.zfs.deadman_synctime_ms 1000000 vfs.zfs.recover 0 vfs.zfs.spa_load_verify_data 1 vfs.zfs.spa_load_verify_metadata 1 vfs.zfs.spa_load_verify_maxinflight 10000 vfs.zfs.check_hostid 1 vfs.zfs.mg_fragmentation_threshold 85 vfs.zfs.mg_noalloc_threshold 0 vfs.zfs.condense_pct 200 vfs.zfs.metaslab.bias_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.metaslab.lba_weighting_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.metaslab.fragmentation_factor_enabled1 vfs.zfs.metaslab.preload_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.metaslab.preload_limit 3 vfs.zfs.metaslab.unload_delay 8 vfs.zfs.metaslab.load_pct 50 vfs.zfs.metaslab.min_alloc_size 33554432 vfs.zfs.metaslab.df_free_pct 4 vfs.zfs.metaslab.df_alloc_threshold 131072 vfs.zfs.metaslab.debug_unload 0 vfs.zfs.metaslab.debug_load 0 vfs.zfs.metaslab.fragmentation_threshold70 vfs.zfs.metaslab.gang_bang 16777217 vfs.zfs.free_bpobj_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.free_max_blocks -1 vfs.zfs.no_scrub_prefetch 0 vfs.zfs.no_scrub_io 0 vfs.zfs.resilver_min_time_ms 3000 vfs.zfs.free_min_time_ms 1000 vfs.zfs.scan_min_time_ms 1000 vfs.zfs.scan_idle 50 vfs.zfs.scrub_delay 4 vfs.zfs.resilver_delay 2 vfs.zfs.top_maxinflight 32 vfs.zfs.zfetch.array_rd_sz 1048576 vfs.zfs.zfetch.max_distance 8388608 vfs.zfs.zfetch.min_sec_reap 2 vfs.zfs.zfetch.max_streams 8 vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable 0 vfs.zfs.delay_scale 500000 vfs.zfs.delay_min_dirty_percent 60 vfs.zfs.dirty_data_sync 67108864 vfs.zfs.dirty_data_max_percent 10 vfs.zfs.dirty_data_max_max 4294967296 vfs.zfs.dirty_data_max 4294967296 vfs.zfs.max_recordsize 1048576 vfs.zfs.mdcomp_disable 0 vfs.zfs.nopwrite_enabled 1 vfs.zfs.dedup.prefetch 1 vfs.zfs.l2c_only_size 0 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_data_lsize 32644399616 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_metadata_lsize 0 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_size 32644399616 vfs.zfs.mfu_data_lsize 10069889536 vfs.zfs.mfu_metadata_lsize 1010720768 vfs.zfs.mfu_size 11215540736 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_data_lsize 12834271232 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_metadata_lsize 90285568 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_size 12924556800 vfs.zfs.mru_data_lsize 32342277632 vfs.zfs.mru_metadata_lsize 48542208 vfs.zfs.mru_size 32770899968 vfs.zfs.anon_data_lsize 0 vfs.zfs.anon_metadata_lsize 0 vfs.zfs.anon_size 67584 vfs.zfs.l2arc_norw 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_again 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_noprefetch 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_min_ms 200 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_secs 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_headroom 2 vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_boost 8388608 vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_max 8388608 vfs.zfs.arc_meta_limit 12272149504 vfs.zfs.arc_free_target 84942 vfs.zfs.arc_shrink_shift 7 vfs.zfs.arc_average_blocksize 8192 vfs.zfs.arc_min 6136074752 vfs.zfs.arc_max 49088598016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ pusen# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2016 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 #0: Thu Aug 11 18:38:15 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032) 20140512 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5675 @ 3.07GHz (3066.84-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="GenuineIntel" Id=0x206c2 Family=0x6 Model=0x2c Stepping=2 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x9ee3fd AMD Features=0x2c100800 AMD Features2=0x1 VT-x: PAT,HLT,MTF,PAUSE,EPT,UG,VPID TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 68723671040 (65540 MB) avail memory = 49990733824 (47674 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 24 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 2 package(s) x 6 core(s) x 2 SMT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 5 cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 16 cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 17 cpu8 (AP): APIC ID: 18 cpu9 (AP): APIC ID: 19 cpu10 (AP): APIC ID: 20 cpu11 (AP): APIC ID: 21 cpu12 (AP): APIC ID: 32 cpu13 (AP): APIC ID: 33 cpu14 (AP): APIC ID: 34 cpu15 (AP): APIC ID: 35 cpu16 (AP): APIC ID: 36 cpu17 (AP): APIC ID: 37 cpu18 (AP): APIC ID: 48 cpu19 (AP): APIC ID: 49 cpu20 (AP): APIC ID: 50 cpu21 (AP): APIC ID: 51 cpu22 (AP): APIC ID: 52 cpu23 (AP): APIC ID: 53 random: initialized ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): 32/64X length mismatch in FADT/Gpe0Block: 128/64 (20150515/tbfadt-644) ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 7 ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 8 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 48-71 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 cpu4: on acpi0 cpu5: on acpi0 cpu6: on acpi0 cpu7: on acpi0 cpu8: on acpi0 cpu9: on acpi0 cpu10: on acpi0 cpu11: on acpi0 cpu12: on acpi0 cpu13: on acpi0 cpu14: on acpi0 cpu15: on acpi0 cpu16: on acpi0 cpu17: on acpi0 cpu18: on acpi0 cpu19: on acpi0 cpu20: on acpi0 cpu21: on acpi0 cpu22: on acpi0 cpu23: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 340 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 340 Event timer "HPET3" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 340 Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 igb0: port 0xec00-0xec1f mem 0xfbde0000-0xfbdfffff,0xfbdc0000-0xfbddffff,0xfbd9c000-0xfbd9ffff irq 28 at device 0.0 on pci1 igb0: Using an MSI interrupt igb0: Ethernet address: 0c:c4:7a:50:05:c8 igb1: port 0xe800-0xe81f mem 0xfbd60000-0xfbd7ffff,0xfbd40000-0xfbd5ffff,0xfbd1c000-0xfbd1ffff irq 40 at device 0.1 on pci1 igb1: Using an MSI interrupt igb1: Ethernet address: 0c:c4:7a:50:05:c9 pcib2: at device 3.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 7.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 9.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 pci0: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 20.1 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 20.2 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 20.3 (no driver attached) uhci0: port 0xcf80-0xcf9f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus0 on uhci0 uhci1: port 0xcf40-0xcf5f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus1 on uhci1 uhci2: port 0xcf20-0xcf3f irq 19 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus2 on uhci2 ehci0: mem 0xfbeda000-0xfbeda3ff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3 on ehci0 uhci3: port 0xcf00-0xcf1f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus4 on uhci3 uhci4: port 0xcec0-0xcedf irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus5 on uhci4 uhci5: port 0xcea0-0xcebf irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: LegSup = 0x2f00 usbus6 on uhci5 ehci1: mem 0xfbed8000-0xfbed83ff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 usbus7: EHCI version 1.0 usbus7 on ehci1 pcib6: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci6: on pcib6 vgapci0: mem 0xf9000000-0xf9ffffff,0xfaffc000-0xfaffffff,0xfb000000-0xfb7fffff irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci6 vgapci0: Boot video device isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xcff0-0xcff7,0xcf7c-0xcf7f,0xcfe0-0xcfe7,0xcef4-0xcef7,0xcfa0-0xcfaf,0xcf60-0xcf6f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata2: at channel 0 on atapci0 ata3: at channel 1 on atapci0 atapci1: port 0xcee0-0xcee7,0xcef0-0xcef3,0xce70-0xce77,0xce7c-0xce7f,0xce60-0xce6f,0xce40-0xce4f irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0 ata4: at channel 0 on atapci1 ata5: at channel 1 on atapci1 pcib7: on acpi0 pci128: on pcib7 pcib8: at device 0.0 on pci128 pci129: on pcib8 pcib9: at device 1.0 on pci128 pci130: on pcib9 pcib10: at device 3.0 on pci128 pci131: on pcib10 pcib11: at device 5.0 on pci128 pci132: on pcib11 pcib12: at device 7.0 on pci128 pci133: on pcib12 mps0: port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xf8eb0000-0xf8ebffff,0xf8ec0000-0xf8efffff irq 54 at device 0.0 on pci133 mps0: Firmware: 20.00.04.00, Driver: 20.00.00.00-fbsd mps0: IOCCapabilities: 1285c pcib13: at device 9.0 on pci128 pci134: on pcib13 pci128: at device 20.0 (no driver attached) pci128: at device 20.1 (no driver attached) pci128: at device 20.2 (no driver attached) pci128: at device 20.3 (no driver attached) acpi_button0: on acpi0 ipmi0: port 0xca2-0xca3 on acpi0 ipmi0: KCS mode found at io 0xca2 on acpi atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 qpi0: on motherboard pcib14: pcibus 255 on qpi0 pci255: on pcib14 pcib15: pcibus 254 on qpi0 pci254: on pcib15 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xcefff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range est0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 est2: on cpu2 est3: on cpu3 est4: on cpu4 est5: on cpu5 est6: on cpu6 est7: on cpu7 est8: on cpu8 est9: on cpu9 est10: on cpu10 est11: on cpu11 est12: on cpu12 est13: on cpu13 est14: on cpu14 est15: on cpu15 est16: on cpu16 est17: on cpu17 est18: on cpu18 est19: on cpu19 est20: on cpu20 est21: on cpu21 est22: on cpu22 est23: on cpu23 ZFS filesystem version: 5 ZFS storage pool version: features support (5000) Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus6: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus7: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub0: on usbus1 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub1: on usbus0 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub2: on usbus3 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub3: on usbus2 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub4: on usbus5 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub5: on usbus4 ugen7.1: at usbus7 uhub6: on usbus7 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub7: on usbus6 random: unblocking device. ipmi0: IPMI device rev. 1, firmware rev. 3.03, version 2.0 ipmi0: Number of channels 2 ipmi0: Attached watchdog uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub7: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243e808aa27ba99c mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 382a272f69955241 mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243e807fae76849d mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 382a272f83843a51 mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243c809cac9d7f9c mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 242d7e7aa9888190 mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243e808aa27ba99c mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 382a272f69955241 mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243e807fae76849d mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 382a272f83843a51 mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243c809cac9d7f9c mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 242d7e7aa9888190 mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243e808aa279869c mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243c809eac76819c mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 382a272f7e895842 mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243c809e978d879c mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 382a272f83843540 mps0: SAS Address for SATA device = 243e8088ae919d9d mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243e808aa279869c mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243c809eac76819c mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 382a272f7e895842 mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243c809e978d879c mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 382a272f83843540 mps0: SAS Address from SATA device = 243e8088ae919d9d ses0 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 21 lun 0 ses0: Fixed Enclosure Services SPC-3 SCSI device ses0: Serial Number ses0: 600.000MB/s transfers ses0: Command Queueing enabled ses0: SCSI-3 ENC Device da1 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 9 lun 0 da4 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 12 lun 0 da7 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 15 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da1: Serial Number W300JG5S da1: 600.000MB/s transfers da1: Command Queueing enabled da1: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da1: quirks=0x8<4K> da10 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 18 lun 0 da10: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da10: Serial Number W300ELSD da10: 600.000MB/s transfers da4: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da4: Serial Number W3000XMC da4: 600.000MB/s transfers da4: Command Queueing enabled da4: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered da7: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da7: Serial Number W300JG0B da7: 600.000MB/s transfers da7: Command Queueing enabled da7: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da7: quirks=0x8<4K> da2 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 10 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da2: Serial Number PK1334PEJDM8ZS da2: 600.000MB/s transfers da2: Command Queueing enabled da2: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da6 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 14 lun 0 da6: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da6: Serial Number PK1334PCJXW32S da6: 600.000MB/s transfers da6: Command Queueing enabled da6: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da10: Command Queueing enabled da10: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da10: quirks=0x8<4K> da0 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 8 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da0: Serial Number PK1334PEJDM67S da0: 600.000MB/s transfers da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da5 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 13 lun 0 da5: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da5: Serial Number PK1334PCJVWZ0S da5: 600.000MB/s transfers da5: Command Queueing enabled da5: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da4: quirks=0x8<4K> da9 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 17 lun 0 da9: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da3 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 11 lun 0 da9: Serial Number PK2338P4H4SE2C da9: 600.000MB/s transfers da9: Command Queueing enabled da9: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da3: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da3: Serial Number PK1334PCJXBJ8S da3: 600.000MB/s transfers da3: Command Queueing enabled da3: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) da8 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 16 lun 0 da8: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da8: Serial Number PK2334PEJ9X35T da8: 600.000MB/s transfers da8: Command Queueing enabled da8: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ada0 at ata2 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 da11 at mps0 bus 0 scbus4 target 19 lun 0 da11: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da11: Serial Number PK2334PEJBXNNT da11: 600.000MB/s transfers da11: Command Queueing enabled da11: 3815447MB (7814037168 512 byte sectors) ada0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 1244091BCC3C ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: 122104MB (250069680 512 byte sectors) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 ada1 at ata3 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number 1244091BCC3F ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: 122104MB (250069680 512 byte sectors) ada1: Previously was known as ad6 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! 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Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1533420188 Hz quality 1000 ugen1.2: at usbus1 ukbd0: on usbus1 kbd2 at ukbd0 Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default []... igb1: link state changed to UP ums0: on usbus1 igb0: link state changed to UP -- Ståle Kristoffersen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 03:07:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59481BD92F7 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.he.net", Issuer "GeoTrust SSL CA - G4" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B41DE9A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> From: David Christensen X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:07:21 -0000 On 09/13/2016 11:48 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know whether it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or hardware. > > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and base-system downloadable images. > > Using a USB-stick installation of FreeBSD including Rod Smith's gdisk, I could possibly restore the partition table, assuming hard drive is not going bad. It's a Western Digital Green 3 TB dating to May 2013. Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard drives. > > I seem to be able to access the partitions, from the USB-stick installation of FreeBSD but not from NetBSD or Linux System Rescue CD, or at least the partition mounted as /home, read-only, would want to rsync that user data to an external USB stick or other drive, before doing anything that could mess the hard disk further and destroy my user data. I have rsync on that USB-stick installation of FreeBSD. I need to fear that any kind of write to that hard drive, even to restore the partition table, could push my data further to destruction if it's a hardware fault. > > After updating my backup with rsync, I could try to restore the GPT from backup at end of disk; I also found a backup copy of GPT data on the USB stick. Disconnect the HDD SATA and power cables. Test the power supply. If bad, replace with known good power supply and retest. Stop if you can't get a power supply that passes. Test the memory. If bad, remove all modules, reseat and retest one at a time. Then two, three, four, etc.. For bad modules, replace with known good modules and retest one at a time; two, three, four, etc.. Stop if you can't get a memory configuration that passes. Reconnect HDD SATA and power cables. Install an additional known-good HDD of equal or larger size. Use a live CD/USB distribution and use ddrescue to transfer available blocks to other drive. Remove other drive. Repeat as necessary, depending upon the value of the data. Download and run the HDD manufacturer diagnostic: http://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?DL If test fails, it could be the HDD, cable connections, SATA cable, power cable, HBA, HBA connection, motherboard, etc.. You will need known good spares to isolate. If you're unlucky, you could have more than one issue. As for "what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create packages and base-system downloadable images", it's really a matter of "speed is expensive -- how much money do you have?" A single, large, power-conserving desktop HDD does not sound like a good choice for this use-case. My data resides on a Samba server, which also hosts CVS. For my desktop workstation, I prefer a small device/partitions (16 GB) for boot, swap, and root and a medium "scratch" device/partition (40+ GB) for doing work (database, audio/video editing, etc.). The key is having a scratch device that is large enough to hold everything needed for the task at hand. If you have more money, use more devices, SSD's and/or RAID. If you have less money, use one device and/or HDD's. It sounds like you have a backup device or server -- good. Make two additional copies of your backups: keep one on-site, keep one off-site. Do not run a backup job on the failed drive. More information is needed for recovery, starting with: 1. Results of hardware tests? 2. Results of ddrescue? 3. Partitions on failed HDD? 4. File systems on failed HDD? 5. What other hardware is in the computer? 6. What additional computers and/or hardware do you have for troubleshooting, repair, recovery, etc.? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 03:20:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5EBBD96BB for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2836BF for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473823087; bh=TSr6cbAb9UBBwVeu9kzdzzzoEPeevmyhbLedgEuQhtE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=CQMh70E6lLXPsptSfP0FZO6ljDygEiW/a7MPW0aSIm6wfuWEo/zz+KMtB2nmJLHUxOyYSNtHO6jnTJamXWIN16BgoUNzq/4IxPUUUyeT5M5Gon5b57DdSt1rejPGGAbHEhsrypefD8YdiBSLggNsttPbeoZc2gChsfAjae36PicOzDHHfN5j04rp5hwgviTwUhniPPpjJfAmow8hPC/hX1sPp+zqKZpYbNGiiER61qS/2+6rVJ9OqVIit0cWonRh8OuLJPpQdli7W0Y+kKRaWohCVWUzzI/3FMmy76dQi2t2zZaBe2mGtwtgRRRbD7LFlPh+78+tNrcbvfpXfjrazA== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.76] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 03:18:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 621735.52140.bm@smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6Ryc7XYVM1nTzWXH2pjzIfThlqZnjd_VY1dUUxtytQhlXT8 agQo7kyLGa.mYfHlEtxncpHHs32XrD7fu3bTEWJ.MUeC.L2Y6jHbkVbsPLAC Oe5DgP.l7rS_gpjB6UdkWYOc3ITThXD5RkLnIl.wRjKVeD_F35.p1_Yj1mrW 3RIK5sNH2by5H4zaIwKY8cmO.hyT5l7_Qr59sEZPKKh0ukoH1I_4B7DO853P dCrYYEWh25_0PB.F6iMSbgogv6iIsWES6Jl9XPG8a7PuLEgWd.ESns4RN9zP BxtJjGnEKnlxqEPtXasYNjD0Qk3hRQzgg8E7lsY.MDli7lt9tySX0va5p7Pt 5BFf50wRu.gOok7TINwwtibT.t2UT2L8MDn2GVJ6bqH2cbmOtAzEVzk0lPRz fvWlosrfxqbn8st5v9Bt6NQij3NLvC1yHe2jEbBWPDJondB7z9N_cy6b1tid jp43ijCBpTJoDmHdqH6VWNaFTFOC3sVC1wjr0xYRyQgomOqFw7Eayql0ZgY6 eTsmnlbo6Ekvne2IbM7FIhjJpcBsBc8E7rNipauzuyC5zlA4QoZJ5 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:20:48 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a few seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives again. Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few years old. My spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no evil software touches it. I never had to use a tool, which anyway wouldn't have worked, because it's an USB device. >> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >> Regulation > >??? By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. >> just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this >> software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. > >Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I >said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they >all died within one year. I already explained why this happened. The spins for your drive might not have happened within seconds after using this utility, but as for my drive, when using bad software, what I usually don't do, every 30 minutes or something around this. I bought my WD green drive 2013-02-27 and never had an issue, IOW it's nearly 4 years old. As already pointed out, I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software that touches the drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the drives goes asleep. You spread FUD about WD drives. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 03:29:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F224BD98C0 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9602A67 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from un_x@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qwBqIBsb1hY0mznFoo7ClkGwmQ/vGDLWsO1MUNT0C43N4DlDBLKp9yxgC/pFB1mh; h=Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Reply-To:X-Mailer:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.251.118.164] (helo=smtpauth.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bk0t4-0005A4-Au for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:29:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:28:19 -0800 From: "CK" To: Cc: Subject: Building X11 Reply-To: "CK" X-Mailer: UMail v1.0 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: b339fc8a95da5b464d2b10475b571120ae79c9fa2913ba9d158af3d9a84a6c4e7fc6d1fa73b37209350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.251.118.164 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:29:47 -0000 deciding to install X11 from scratch to avoid the massive amounts of "junk" that is required to be downloaded and installed with a "ports" installation, work was done to compile X11 from sources ... and a view is offered with a suggestion that people get a little more critical on what is being "pushed" on everyone by inserting "self-serving octopus tentacles" and agendas by means of integrating "glue" into much of standard Unix software; and for no other reason than self-serving agendas; ie, without merit insofar as "satisfying users". /server irc.freenode.net /join #xcb > i would like to know if it is possible to allow "xcb" to build in Xorg without Python. in my view, whoever made the decision to force X11 users to download/install/maintain Python really has no business developing X11. > nothing against Python in particular ... it really doesn't matter what "massive non-Unix" language ... the point is that a massive non-Unix installation of someone's "favorite programming language" is being pushed on people that for whatever reasons (storage or other resources or just "lack of clutter" or dislike for the language, etc) may not want it, but it is being shoved into everyone's system if they need to use X11. > and along with that, a requirement to learn enough of the language to maintain it and repair problems that occur with it in it's installation in relation to X11. > can anyone say what purpose this serves, and how it is or is not absolutely necessary, and if this dependency can be removed? otherwise, i am working on a distribution without xcb. > is Python an integral part of xcb that cannot be removed for building X11? it seems like it is, but it would be nice to get an answer from the developers without wasting a lot of time digging into the xcb code. > it appears that c_client.py is the only Python file in libxcb. for that single script, installing and maintaining dozens of MB's of a high-level programming language is required? is this an accurate assessment? > is it impossible to perform the work of c_client.py using standard Unix tools? > can anyone answer please? > or direct to a location that has an answer to these questions already? > The core and extension protocol descriptions are in XML, with a program written in Python creating the C bindings. (Previous versions used m4). [from Wikipedia] > that's really insane. somebody needs to fix this. it is insane to require X11 users to install and maintain a massive high-level language like Python for such a stupid minor function in compiling a "standard" X11 library. whoever is behind that kind of decision shouldn't be developing for X11 - they're too narrow-minded, they have too little concern for various types of users that need to make use of X11, and the motives appear to be founded in personal gain and interest and not those of providing a standard X11 system to the millions of users that have been depending upon it for decades, and have been depending on somewhat intelligent development, ie, development that does not create stupid senseless burdens on the users of X11. > does anyone have an intelligent argument *for* the necessity of this nonsense, ie, demanding X11 users download/install/maintain a massive high-level language like Python to generate some C-bindings in an X11 library? if not, i will leave, but i want to provide an opportunity for someone to justify such a decision, before the issue continues elsewhere. > and the same kind of nonsense can be found in configure scripts that detect Gawk or some other GNU program, and then refuse to continue compilation without Glib, and then if you install that, then they want Iconv, and then if you install that, ./configure wants Libintl, and so on, like endless fucking GNU octopus tentacles that try to take over a users entire system. > if a user wants to compile and install X11, they should be able to do it with standard base Unix system tools, and nothing more, and if you can't handle it, don't develop for X11, go write Python scripts somewhere else. not a single reply in over an hour. after spending a couple of dozen hours playing with the X11 sources, some things became apparent: 1st, it seems that a lot of work is done by corporate interests (Redhat/Oracle/etc). non-corporate interests just don't seem to have the time or resources to participate in creating quality distributions; and this is not good. life is getting "tight" in many ways for many people. GNU stuff (detected by ./configure, eg, gawk) will demand a lot of useless GNU crap also be installed. GNU is like an octopus with a million arms to drag you down to GNU-Hell. why is GNU a Hell? Besides the fact that Gnu is Not Un*x - and is actually a perverter and destroyer of UN*X, GNU is greedy - it says "you can use this only if I can own+control whatever you do with it ..." it's communist, stingy, ...ish. it's not "freedom" or "independence" or "good-will toward others". it's dictating to others, enforcing comformity, ie, monoculturism - with a "I want to control it ALL" foundational ethic. therefore, it's destructive to humanity, vibrant color, and true diversity (which is an important foundation in technological development). it's certainly not the BSD way or FreeBSD historically. unfortunately, freedom means the freedom to be evil, but worse than that is an imperialist totalitarian agenda that states "I AM GOOD!", ie, I KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERYBODY! I AM THE LAW! DO AS I SAY! (NOT AS I DO!) That is the reign of pure evil and wickedness. GNU/Linux is the "bad boy" in the govt/corp brainwashing of having "free will/choice". it's the "non-conformist's" choice in the paradigm of pure unadulterated all-pervasive conformity, despite the fact that it destroys sensible standards which are essential to real freedom and independence. finding X11 demanded pkg-config (it really doesn't, but the configure scripts fake this dependence: echo>/bin/pkg-config works fine), installing it from the publically available sources found it then demanded glib -> which demanded ->iconv which demanded -> libintl -> etc. and building glib one finds that it depends on glib to build - a stupid recursive GNUism, and there's something not right about all this - it's not software freedom - it's a software prison, and BSD's shouldn't be going along with it. not being expert at organizing or using Git/Sourceforge, etc, there ought to be some effort made to stop this, and reduce essential Unix software like X11 to "classic" make/make-install functionality, without requiring BSD users to turn into GNU/Linux users that require 64MB for a kernel they can't compile. i'm working on this personally, but it seems like at least for X11, libxcb will have to be removed - the "--disable-xcb" switch was taken out of the configure scripts a few years ago - and not that xcb is bad - but for those that enjoy minimalist type systems or prefer tight controls and management of all the permissions on a system, this type of software-globbing is just outrageous - an entire high-level language like Python is required FOR ONE STUPID X11 SCRIPT! and it's totally unnecessary. and not a single developer on the xcb IRC channel would justify it in any way at all. it's just a question on the future of BSDs. are they going to conform to Apple/Linux/Microsoft - or will any effort be made to remain true to Unix standards/sanity/roots? is the pleasure of having tons of software and popularity more important than sensibility and standards? because they are opposite directions in all areas of life. the Herd is never sensible, and always places perceived pleasure before quality standards. lead, follow, or get out of the way! :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 04:25:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CB8BD8548 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm1-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6F79277 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473826915; bh=6m9APaUZNzSlpvv+0S+xdge276XtM51UFev5x3AF59w=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=Jk7yd4clq3SeHHll+FiBB3xPqYpQGjiFA62fZ7SYz/cz9DRiFuymJ9q45rRmKUjDLw7hcDMWwmsYsKpi/Yfj3ZLc8TAgHVI4QsJQZCRUylsCMhf4lpTXERloTTCE0f+mJGR8VcRNiODpe8Ppgz6OUJEdQBzy+VfkjHHzb4lRyniS0traw9k1VK1JszN1ucXx8K/iOfSWTpIOIuWQYrz63CRD7edHIMoYNA8UcyPQXCA0Hllhu1rzd6FARPpwR26D7+aUwJfHEFNv/eqMY8FwzQeBOFqq6TR+XsEpsA54F9uYB6FyxxJNZzz6yoZoywpOVRuNhPgM1cwZ+MD7xktgUQ== Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.100] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 04:21:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 303413.48359.bm@smtp137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xWqpRccVM1k_H2xBpQbKUjDe6m3kT4EgGzniIYYRVoKzIei 13kAKPFdjfzc2n_yP0xN.Ed84QPnARZLt5.Y9u38SMV4hnN5yzFQJK4gUl6i 2bPjNDIp_NULBk3VKXn9XFTaQB1mfM2LAPjG_TiEN9A8um6FBrLFU49na7t. lNADiIAynA7VTCKbWyuYFFG3AwcdJC1NnAY3Do14G6dHxciHpLpl9P9PUTeK KGulznV58ueItrLYAPV8CNnxFCLnGHWO.IQQU6NIFj9ltlSYsl.YgMb_7mtI XoftUiDiCiBEk0ZWTVxVdVB.hYHz9G8Ra6LQlKNuAopTiiRsSZxZYVIGPDLR VLHxKEo4rIFmArGNgGZG1ZWjdQVoCory1NE4mzGROmzdykK2tMUKJuVg_g53 ZmrD_MYKf10xfSi3haFLbWM2Zhp.QvgoXc5YzFOHYqoqqUkfJ0PAEKK9iOOo gAX1_YFqLsi4EBn.ZqZhjmUvRUJum7UVi2jbhA_sPQusUGD.gqQWb69NVfmc Rr3ELn8PRgbuACvGcT9XxSK5r.hc.BDM05N_RmYydjd34C_QZH1LsIKBADZY nvaBTxOp4sAvcj6851v4h6o29QvWNtOg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:21:54 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:25:04 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >>their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >>However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. > >That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a few >seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives again. >Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few years old. My >spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no evil software >touches it. I never had to use a tool, which anyway wouldn't have >worked, because it's an USB device. > >>> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >>> Regulation >> >>??? > >By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. > >>> just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this >>> software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. >> >>Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I >>said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they >>all died within one year. > >I already explained why this happened. The spins for your drive might >not have happened within seconds after using this utility, but as for >my drive, when using bad software, what I usually don't do, every 30 >minutes or something around this. I bought my WD green drive 2013-02-27 >and never had an issue, IOW it's nearly 4 years old. As already pointed >out, I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software that touches the >drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the drives goes asleep. > >You spread FUD about WD drives. Sure, if a green drive is unwanted, nobody should buy a green drive. However, assuming somebody should have bought one by accident, then simply let a script access it, before it spins down. If the drives goes to sleep at around 30 minutes, "touch" the drive every 28 minutes. Assuming it should be ok, that the drive goes to sleep, remove gvfs, don't use KDE, smard etc., then the drive stays asleep. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 04:55:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042B8BD8C57 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:55:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0033F60 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE5C4E63A037 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> From: David Benfell Message-ID: <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:55:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rlXTWAW91eQ4qG1KOUsNPP8Csspf3PkG5" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:55:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --rlXTWAW91eQ4qG1KOUsNPP8Csspf3PkG5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="a40XIlswpUVT3dNfcEBtlK7F0V2d0Th7E" From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> In-Reply-To: <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> --a40XIlswpUVT3dNfcEBtlK7F0V2d0Th7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 09/13/2016 11:51 AM, Patrick Hess wrote: > So, how long is it taking to respond? If it's taking close to 30 second= s, > I'd suggest investigating whether your DNS is working properly. As near as I can tell, with radical action (ditching bind and nsd in favor of djbdns), I have fixed DNS, including reverse DNS. phpinfo() still apparently never returns. --a40XIlswpUVT3dNfcEBtlK7F0V2d0Th7E-- --rlXTWAW91eQ4qG1KOUsNPP8Csspf3PkG5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX2Ng9AAoJEOoml8Ul4D7WGukP/0UM55XxZs3jANlbRkLY4iT1 e9GG34P3uzklaRTg5Dn26YAeL6XtgJ/0W+lOY7QLL16O00zau5Y2BtkKE4a/WH0v KPwPIb9HteEigeyndUZ3NWfDmati6nxnluLGYMXnW8TekuphOXPDbPpwI+gEsIlO Q0WhmV1Y6ch8wlBU7yBEWAz0PitLnkj/J0uJSbCErufaZAHiLhtrz+YcC5q8jheU kNu/kQWhxZbvCStr8TKAk3RnzyahqOmxTNcQYgeCSsPEdtLMY/heWxV5HWmQQ/QG HDEEsLQOk2lkhtnNYk6DAztIxH00ZlQ3M0XuT+Ps0nIgIM78UO3LhygBnvXjGapF a+LfXNKSHAd3QifuzvSPkW0vwtI4fZDEwl5+Dkd/EnaqT2kXaV/6DArvO7sjypUH Ipl5lh5zToILbay8yYYUlktnvdL3I97YVbnBEXKSuvWwfx+/0lOa+WjoPLAxKPI3 RExi4H2OfscsMXNQ2DK3nU4ljPh4PkHJWiQXRHTsp5Jba/VFwNVZjiN6DgEdzZeq nsaiYgFuS95Pc5bkCSk2teIHMB8C4KVODDa3iu2BTN2voJqen9vZ7lyakwI+CIgx ft3Hpqbz1wiLU2Q3R0VE+/ocT36H/a2B6sg6mQVa/jbFbpnWmavxm4HMw+3u5+UC wI4g0lHcWi0ruBHusIVa =cPD/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rlXTWAW91eQ4qG1KOUsNPP8Csspf3PkG5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 05:55:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500C8BD9AC9; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp1.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10722214; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bk2sz-0005tt-VR; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:37:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bk2tM-000JzT-6n; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:37:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:37:27 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Ben Woods Cc: Bernt Hansson , "freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website Message-Id: <20160914063727.4d01f82d8f1dd5ce2db9df25@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <314bafcd-2e19-9eeb-8f09-ddc3b6cd91bb@bananmonarki.se> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:55:55 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:02:39 +0800 Ben Woods wrote: > On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, Bernt Hansson > wrote: > > > On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > >> apple website doesn't display correctly? > >> http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 > >> > >> What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? > > > > Let's just say that on my FreeBSD system with Firefox it is missing a > large chunk of the website content at the top of the page which is > visible if I visit it on a Windows computer with Firefox. It is > particularly noticeable, since the missing part is the section that > allows you to buy a new iPhone. 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B.rgds Amy=20Zhu T=20+86-21-51718528*813 M=20+86-18221653942 =20Shanghai=20KS=20Printing Shanghai=20E-Tang=20Import=20&=20Export=20Co.,Ltd www.ksprinting.net=20 www.printingbookservices.com=20 K.7=20No.1800=20Longwu=20Rd.Xuhui=20District 200231,=20Shanghai China From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 08:36:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4F7BDA2D2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp208.alice.it (smtp208.alice.it [82.57.200.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C665CD4B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (62.211.162.64) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 57C93ED50201578C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:50 +0200 Received: from guardian.ventu (bane.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u8E8Zhmk075612 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host bane.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.15] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.1.2.13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:36:00 -0000 On 09/14/16 06:21, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >>> Regulation >> >> ??? > > By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. Can you provide a pointer? Thanks. >> You spread FUD about WD drives. FUD? 4 out of 4 drives gone bad in less than a year? (BTW several other drives in the same conditions are still going on). > Sure, if a green drive is unwanted, nobody should buy a green drive. > However, assuming somebody should have bought one by accident, then > simply let a script access it, before it spins down. If the drives goes > to sleep at around 30 minutes, "touch" the drive every 28 minutes. As I said, I had disabled spin down. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 09:40:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C563BD8840 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AE0D267 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473845880; bh=K8FlX2qMPeZOGEX2H7MgY/9SHSLFaoOBYctnmYzXjzQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=AWGowJXzSqAzl6hfFqTvID9OBf1oWgEW6ZttRPMt77d1pd+9DRBnJ8HDE8nlML1QVkz0LMW7NmYiyG1YmB8uKX5zah2TsQJq2D21IgPv/0VpyraVjvrnGR3+hKqj4SauChPRk7IrguI3joVUB6guVi4LXKXJRlVdWD3MVb+h/kc0NeKylPIuowCI+vzIt7uv5CwmRMJ/gQNV2PXfun2u/q458ELAT9Xquqh7E+KoL2QkySMmof4lRKV+8ZFlyBl/4lqNUx6K60YnvuNMSH1mF+8axwrmq6IDDxAPfmnzGRKe+ytogtPlrGCjQo7xpi44IQTd2u8qt34d2mbU/XXayw== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.106] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 09:38:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 828604.90129.bm@smtp143.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Yy0Jf.sVM1mUevHCBs8ms09bUcmGhgc.dtM9GdZ50MNi24w Tl5ZfD3OoiGxJttfaq69FIyxPP6Hq4esbDncvANaSmj9LPCZ2xdShQH9n7yB x6Wgfgxr.ONTAWhO4d5Ka89MKgdj_l3mcF0UYLll1r9.CKzFSAjARsHj3RGB h4MM.Uh4Ovs7QdRGUyK05OZzvllpXD.zZ1BP7o7IwhUBsEWFDtNHXwW6ECcy BZpAQsfMrbH6CsJ_x06DwfeADt3iW2_NK3y13Qa30TGEL.n2eck_trcf7aXV yoabK1mWt_cPEVcjTDpoPrjOvLnmNS4AQ9rjERdt8WDG_9LndLPW.cDz3W3E 0Ki3E058jESa.7F.wGO9LG1p34DWGa3prP2jjvyyoCsAb_wY2IzEHBakoGs9 T7M.gvxqJKvxvh81vdKkONnmvRImXC6sHwGP9zF711Tpf2pKYqXKiheopaWu Ktf9jdaCcH9paXWfk7UsI_Kzl626sKLAvInwl5rh2ry6KvUzc54f7Z9vrVTd xfNwdgcXrf7TUQNxizaCho50hBhWXEZCvGo3Hm_Z15UZcwAG9IkC6jnc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:37:59 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914113759.7af2759b@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:40:46 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:42 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >Can you provide a pointer? >Thanks. Yes, get in contact with WD support, they could explain you the whole situation. >As I said, I had disabled spin down. Can you provide a pointer? Thanks, since it's very unlikely, most likely is that you just increased the time, before the drive goes to sleep, but you still run gvfs and/or KDE apps such as K3b and or smartd and/or you are using udisks or similar to mounted instead of mounting by CLI or e.g. using rodent and/or you used libfm, before the bug was fixed, https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02ed5998b etc.. I don't want to discuss this anymore. The above coder was the only one who was willing to fix the bug for his software, all other developers spread FUD as yours. Again, get in contact with WD support. If you still should own a WD green drive, use smartctl to check the spin down and up cycles and banish all the above mentioned and similar apps. If something still was wrong with old WD green drives, then at least they are not broken anymore since around 4 years, since my WD green drive works around 4 years without issues, but as already pointed out, if it goes to sleep, no software wakes up the drive without a reason, this means I don't have gvfs installed, I don't launch K3b, I mount by CLI, I don't run smartd, I check the cycles from time to time and if the drive should start spinning again, I check what software does cause this issue and file a back against this software, so for libfm, used by lxpanel it was fixed. Apart from this, if a green drive is unwanted, then don't use one. The internal drives of my tower PC aren't WD green drives, they are SAMSUNG SpinPoints. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 11:03:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29937AC4147 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B44DA1961 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:03:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c131so23043337wmh.0 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:03:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pOpriO1WT/w7LXqFBPo/NyWMPgcbxF33ATqGNgqvUas=; b=V44xOgZMI9pfHwwckPrWizPEFF3yxtFZKRwOkXtzBWV3KZJB3/+8R76BvzVhXPqwE+ /NZ27hr5Gy9ZJluSu75mUQuN5/F0YwNQoru2LCCUFhwGdbG4fdRozOEk0F616X3XzX6k uXhAuz6m1navRlw8tcz+Mt4rp2S1bBapVX0ygCQq1l70lnvmaNi8bd5Vt9RlGmhti5ZD Yz1EDrXtPgnCtszUqNyL0zp0Es8eWrFqQqvLt1s7Gr/UoVP/ZyH78i7pqMZdIg3X3S95 NJJjVR+VHDQ2No6jamUJu+htvbT3Iye8YKyJpN0kuAZDkSp39xSWNLnnW4W0HyRuYv0q aEpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pOpriO1WT/w7LXqFBPo/NyWMPgcbxF33ATqGNgqvUas=; b=f9Cqm7YHAk3O7wU9ZMnh1ScNZCHduvyc4/76FklStbicDqMKdGJCh36tZKVRsB/7yv Dm40xMTpCq9f4ob4/6s2Ov4UzYcZ0gX+5HX38mDcaOM/oocZOPtzk0aPwkkrb2B/zLe6 K1h7bUShFv7T7JZS7PUfRRr4jiEw4hVxfaYOqzVAG9vM/bg5DoGZZx9pGLFSrs+matxn r1CPFuRx1khXIoc7OSt3p39/FaryJwNWwQSqAUPXZX7mFLLwRLqqs2NN2NStEA7Ie2iv NMZ0JtVN1y1ygfEb3nsEUFV3A915Oy3DdMp/LzrK6FsVQFwXaINNzRXIjDL+x9I9x7PK AuTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNTuX79LkW6gjYsHfX1lgMlslVydtD3ZPmHsGvNX8E/fHXZlIit1h1fXYETkJOwoQ== X-Received: by 10.194.145.229 with SMTP id sx5mr1961627wjb.13.1473851032307; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i127sm3638743wmf.4.2016.09.14.04.03.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:03:49 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:03:55 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:48:22 +0000 Thomas Mueller wrote: > I had a hard-drive crash last night, GPT corrupted, don't know > whether it's a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386) or > hardware. > > Main question is what kind of hard drive is used for heavy compiling > in FreeBSD, base system and ports, what might be used to create > packages and base-system downloadable images. Do you really need to use a disk? I do almost everything like that on tmpfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 12:32:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E76BD967C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D7F71D6A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from tesla.advico (p508E8B15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.139.21]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DCBD1E022F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:23:47 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: advice on buying a laptop #2 Message-ID: <0173b4d1-d8fb-6d16-e85c-549d6ebf971a@uni-dortmund.de> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:23:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:32:04 -0000 Hello everybody! As you might remember, three months ago I already asked you guys about this subject about three months ago. Because of a family crisis (my mother got very sick), I didn't get around to actually buying one of the little buggers we wrote about. A little has changed since that past thread. Among other things, I have a little more dough. :-) I don't want to roll out the whole thing again - actually, I just reread the complete old thread. But I am currently thinking of a Lenovo T530 and not a T520. I plan to run FreeBSD on the bare metal of this thing - if I can only FreeBSD. A few things have changed since the T520, which you guys said would be a good choice. There are a few things I am wondering about and I'd like your input if this machine would be a good choice... - Intel Core i7-3630QM - should be fine. :-) - graphics - Intel HD Graphics 4000 - NVIDIA NVS 5400M (1 GB) Then the specs get a little fuzzy: The shop says: 108Mbit Wireless LAN, no exact chip. Lenovo say this: - 802.11bgn wireless PCIe Half Mini Card on selected models. - 802.11abgn wireless PCIe Half Mini Card on selected models. - Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 2200 - Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6205 - Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300 Which one might it be? I called the shop but they couldn't tell me either because the dude on the phone said he didn't have one in front of him right now. And then there this little guy (from support.lenovo.com): - Wireless WWAN Minicard Qualcomm® Gobi™ 3000 on selected models Too bad it only support 3G, but it's a nice bonus. :-) Will any of this stuff cause problems under FreeBSD? I know the 6205 WiFi chips work, but what about the 6300? I was also thinking about getting a new (back-lit) keyboard. Do you have any thoughts on this (I know this is a little OT). Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 13:33:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33C4BD9454 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7753D1605 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 1so31510449wmz.1 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K61Mv76uNl1WrSVz/GOad/g1ToTj7WdY/+RAmY1pOHk=; b=H/bFwnTBDNPYHDaBe+6jYA9ogACjD2SkBkirRT91rBX+20bL/nDVDHLOcRA0KekDBD z5Jq4YTP8RgQs+tQVFwrUJv9SlmBe6QRNXtTBvPxxcvecAqycTyc8sDYuCfQIKVkpB8O Vg37ogqlTWgZEfEZMNsTnB9aErIrdAc7e5YzJMXzU/jEsPAZyMURwkm7uCZBk0uYr6T1 z4sEDZWHbk2vIFrskL8HbU5zprlxFEP3afEyfg8kfq9DCx2U5yRDkz/svRbctQWYTDvu rrvSGcnEH0YAYDm/YpWelATnV9DvmNyqX2Aqa9INOreFWyCENs9dGawJBG9HZHHqRZDo tNSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K61Mv76uNl1WrSVz/GOad/g1ToTj7WdY/+RAmY1pOHk=; b=boWmtxc6CRnNizmcoYjaDIxcJSL4wJOR0XlL+iMlg9nHnOsaD+G6lwf5Grode0cdBL DKySe0jKi5P9odETAJVuQW1OFdShBhwf1pLj8KcEyPPOGN12XzLZ/+WXucCqyHzF6qcN kuv6jSEiHCpU5XjhPZLrhJKr0bjH4/niwWD2gPsgAQSccvMVbmfQ797fT3bavRCVSqhh 54wo3F0beISaoXdhI4KhUOZM8hhs9Mm+K2BAhsB16WiOdsnAdDCSf4M4+N7+jgHnMD43 YMKW9v/fwXRAlkGVWgxzn+B69DcYVmBMQFLeY465ZdYlPshSsqI6sJj1BFpyEr5yvznA PcHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOqkHAJiGAes2QcIrwgmXTJPQE9vFlAl8r2K4JW8AWBofdvSV980CahE6qv+il6wA== X-Received: by 10.28.150.1 with SMTP id y1mr9424275wmd.114.1473860012833; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 190sm4243388wmk.13.2016.09.14.06.33.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:33:27 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:33:35 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > >(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run > >their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". > >However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. > > That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a > few seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives > again. Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few > years old. My spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no > evil software touches it. Drives are typically rated for 300k load-cycles, so at 30 minutes it's a non-issue - running the drive cooler and avoiding wear on the moving parts probably extends its life. > I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software > that touches the drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the > drives goes asleep. Are you saying that smartd does that when it's only monitoring? And do you mean all drives, or just the one the OS is on? 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[128.180.122.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c44sm2380069qta.49.2016.09.14.07.47.07 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Oscar Hodgson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:47:06 -0400 Subject: 10.3 zpool/var canmount = off? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:47:09 -0000 New 10.3 install and I just noted that canmount is set off (local). So = it serves only to provide a root for other var pools (okay) and a number = of /var sub-directories wind up on the root file system (e.g. /var/db, = /var/cache). Is there any specific reason why that choice was made? I working on updating / replacing a 9.0 mfsroot image we use to pxe boot = machines (and decided to pass on 9.3). That image set up /var within = rc.conf (varmfs=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D, populate_var=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80= =9D), but everything there disappears when the machine powers off at the = end of the day =E2=80=A6 and part of my objective is to minimize the = size of root. Mostly curiosity (and my next step it to =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D = canmount), just thought I=E2=80=99d ask. Oscar= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 14:55:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E0ABDA2E2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752EE10BC for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 58F27CB8C74; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "RW" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:55:24 -0000 On Wed, September 14, 2016 8:33 am, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> >(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >> >their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >> >However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. >> >> That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a >> few seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives >> again. Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few >> years old. My spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no >> evil software touches it. > > > Drives are typically rated for 300k load-cycles, so at 30 minutes > it's a non-issue - running the drive cooler and avoiding wear on > the moving parts probably extends its life. > Disagree. It is actually an opposite. Spinning down is the same as turning the drive off: heads are spring loaded and are pushed away from platters by the air which acts as viscous liquid when head flies fast close to platter surface. Stop this motion, head will land on surface, for this reason heads are moved to parking position before drive is spun down. To park heads they release arm with heads, it is pulled by the spring into "parking" position, and stops there by banging into the stopper pin. This is a big stress, and mechanism can withstand only this number of such bangs. To the contrary, keeping platters spinning does not apply any stress onto any mechanical parts, except bearings, which can live very long, especially if platter assembly is very well balanced and bearings are well designed and manufactured. I believe, there was long thread somewhere and this in particular was discussed there too. In any case, "consumer" grade drives never come to composite time of use like 8-10 years (drives on many servers are up and always hot for about this long), so no one would care of the fact "consumer grade" drives experience stress banging arm with heads on stopper, no one would care much for these drives to have well balanced rotor (platters) and bearing of extra high longevity. No one expects them to be used that intensely, and they are often getting thrown away 3 -4 years down their easy life. Just my $0.02 Valeri > >> I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software >> that touches the drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the >> drives goes asleep. > > Are you saying that smartd does that when it's only monitoring? And do > you mean all drives, or just the one the OS is on? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 15:09:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5E8BDA78A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF2E17CC for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 745C2CB8CC7; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33814.128.135.52.6.1473865794.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Ralf Mardorf" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:09:55 -0000 On Tue, September 13, 2016 11:21 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:18:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions > wrote: >>On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:38:55 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>>(Speaking of WD Green, not WD in general) it is true, unless you run >>>their utility (DOS only!) which disables this "feature". >>>However the drives will tend to fail in a short time all the same. >> >>That perhaps was true for some older drives, that spin down after a few >>seconds, but it anyway required something to wake up the drives again. >>Howvere, it's untrue for those drives that are just a few years old. My >>spins down after 30 minutes, and stays a sleep , if no evil software >>touches it. I never had to use a tool, which anyway wouldn't have >>worked, because it's an USB device. >> >>>> IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU >>>> Regulation >>> >>>??? >> >>By an EU Regulation all external drives must go to sleep after a while. >> >>>> just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this >>>> software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. >>> >>>Don't use the drives: no point in spinning up and down; besides, as I >>>said, I had 4 of them and even if I disabled this brain damage, they >>>all died within one year. >> >>I already explained why this happened. The spins for your drive might >>not have happened within seconds after using this utility, but as for >>my drive, when using bad software, what I usually don't do, every 30 >>minutes or something around this. I bought my WD green drive 2013-02-27 >>and never had an issue, IOW it's nearly 4 years old. As already pointed >>out, I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software that touches the >>drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the drives goes asleep. >> >>You spread FUD about WD drives. > > Sure, if a green drive is unwanted, nobody should buy a green drive. Yes, nobody should. Still, they do, and I've seen people attempting to use these in servers and hardware RAIDs (with big failures). Alas, consumer market is driven by ignorant customers (which are vast majority), hooked by advertisements, and the attempt of competing vendors to save on production cost. This is two-fold thing: competition is good, forces to develop and manufacture better things, and competition is bad, forces manufacture poorer products as result of attempt to safe on production. The ugly results of that are: fake RAID chips (LSI, 3ware, Areca _never_ made such), "shared" memory video cards,... you can continue the list. Valeri > However, assuming somebody should have bought one by accident, then > simply let a script access it, before it spins down. If the drives goes > to sleep at around 30 minutes, "touch" the drive every 28 minutes. > > Assuming it should be ok, that the drive goes to sleep, remove gvfs, > don't use KDE, smard etc., then the drive stays asleep. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 15:19:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22B6BDACEC for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B89B1CED for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:19:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A1B51D71 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/6A1B51D71; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: 10.3 zpool/var canmount = off? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <4bd29396-220a-e198-73b9-0de91b74d096@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:19:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8uKEEBhhf1xf4GJfL9M4D5aRN1SP5qIjI" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:19:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --8uKEEBhhf1xf4GJfL9M4D5aRN1SP5qIjI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="j0TEXLnRCFlGrfb6n0FXE6LItWT3phmj3"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4bd29396-220a-e198-73b9-0de91b74d096@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: 10.3 zpool/var canmount = off? References: In-Reply-To: --j0TEXLnRCFlGrfb6n0FXE6LItWT3phmj3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/09/14 15:47, Oscar Hodgson wrote: > New 10.3 install and I just noted that canmount is set off (local). > So it serves only to provide a root for other var pools (okay) and a > number of /var sub-directories wind up on the root file system (e.g. > /var/db, /var/cache). >=20 > Is there any specific reason why that choice was made? >=20 > I working on updating / replacing a 9.0 mfsroot image we use to pxe > boot machines (and decided to pass on 9.3). That image set up /var > within rc.conf (varmfs=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D, populate_var=3D=E2=80=9C= YES=E2=80=9D), but everything > there disappears when the machine powers off at the end of the day =E2=80= =A6 > and part of my objective is to minimize the size of root. >=20 > Mostly curiosity (and my next step it to =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D canmount= ), just > thought I=E2=80=99d ask. The layout generated by the installer puts as much as possible into a single 'root' ZFS set up as a boot environment 'zroot/ROOT/default' that you can immediately drop into beadm(1) to manage updates etc. This single ZFS is then easier to manage for operations like using 'zfs send' to clone the system somewhere else. While beadm(1) will cope perfectly well with a more complicated tree of ZFSes in each boot environment, having a tree of ZFSes does make the tricks you can do with zfs send/recv quite a lot more bothersome. The root ZFS contains large chunks of the content under /var by default, but not all of it. The point of having zroot/var (with canmount=3Doff) that just acts as a placeholder is so that eg. zroot/var/log or zroot/var/tmp (which you'll see have 'canmount=3Don') get mounted in the right location in the file system without becoming part of any boot environment. That means there's only one copy of those filesystems and it always gets mounted every time you reboot -- which is really what you want for eg. /var/log but not correct for boot environments in general. Usually you'll have several available, but only one of them should be mounted and active. Your current setup using pxeboot and varmfs is behaving as expected. varmfs creates /var as a memory file system -- ie. one without a long lived backing store. It's expected to be destroyed when the system shuts down and recreated from scratch on bootup. If you want content under /var to survive reboots (for example, the package database in /var/db/pkg is a PITA to have to regenerate...), then you'll need to store it on something other than a mfs -- and you can use the 'canmount=3Doff' concept to create a ZFS overlay on top of an= mfs to do that. (Although getting everything mounted in the right sequence there is going to be a bit tricky.) 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Message-ID: <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:57:47 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:03:49 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >I do almost everything like that on tmpfs. That was my suggestion, too. However, it has got one pitfall, the size of tmpfs. At least on Linux a swap doesn't help, if tmpfs should run out of space. Anyway, I nearly compile everything in tmpfs with just 1.9 GiB, just sometimes I enlarge it to 3 GiB or directly use the hard disk. A kernel not necessarily fails, but could fail to build with just 1.9 GiB, something like Firefox fails with 1.9 GiB, but at the moment I can't remember that 3 GiB ever was too small. I've got 4 GiB or RAM, but a little bit less is available, so a modern machine with much more than 4 GiB RAM should allow to chose a huge enough tmpfs. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 15:59:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A81ABDA87B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm40-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm40-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4D8410E5 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473868643; bh=mqkz7niYZG0/BTIFTbCY4MYPl6e1K8KzXxa9ONtZ5ws=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=RtbvtSuIonIFEEYhzS4DaDRQ+xPUutPMDrJTiGuT/3xcF9US0S+stzCuwutCC/a26lSzp5oPhOxuYw5xveXoD7Zlu58ZS2Yh/tD2snR24fIUqgLwqoiy6oSIl9jMMa2Y/NmIXg14WPUTSWlqvRCnjVRX7uvmn/HSsWR0mGnIMrWveA9lWHumxPgtAQSMLPI46k4c3O5pNlgqvvRjGP45XlePTLjyY4PUM+7fYX9gVhg0s0brg+5pZmhni4cH4uyAWBr3fXp4IztyZjNNYE40f088txSIj11El8xj8lSJxYUjwVMXR2glOuViI/Fgt3l6oK1wuYsEI1A6IwZyOHN/uA== Received: from [212.82.98.54] by nm40.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:57:23 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:57:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:57:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 740796.87349.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vybpExsVM1k9_s3MO01rGjOcK9v9ixeIt9IG5Piu9ed2O31 bdGawElTe5F8HyacUm8RetdmSQLs.9KXCL3hW4N3.6Zx_EJ7JNwY5L5NOatf 9Rf676jGCaV9ijQnzDf16.4P6xCvlVDbRt5dclOMEhSr5fJCR_w8A0QXaYsT GNKr5VwvU0.7X3CqzTQGLudHqkvYds6r5jB1dQ6wcDGrjF80dftxM8ogT.1M IqJqlcgLK2O8g7RTj7Heo.gDcbjtFcQaccpqUCcmzWN8ixz1yeg2VqPPOOEu _gBfItGCU85ZthjdWlaKZtQPrvCpIpsrEDEA5uL22CQ9qU2UG8ERvu52uozz IBKSQ7K3jMpzIaIs2UXi.givc0P3atfqCrsqVJ_1grDXn.3bKTKVTRpmPrlV Gk5RA8JV7sG9gPmtmlVQRVsKZpjs799WXGybDSREGbWmssiPYcDV6oFZESjo uYJ36NAsf5Xuq2ODkyoxW7iqz2092FIq5v672oGvHPY0dFrA9jVLeNydF7_N F2kkmZn9bIy7sZEg4JAjrbXLPGgV2aX4SbJb2OqSSmm6P1YbpNvFkj40- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:57:23 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914175723.570fbba3@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:59:54 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:33:27 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I don't use gvfs, smartd and similar software >> that touches the drives and enforce a spin up, directly after the >> drives goes asleep. > >Are you saying that smartd does that when it's only monitoring? And do >you mean all drives, or just the one the OS is on? Not tested on FreeBSD, but on Linux just launching smartd wakes up my WD green drive, as soon as it is connected by USB, even if it isn't mounted. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 16:02:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DFABDAB16 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 838AA155F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:02:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473868789; bh=EQoF/zGqS6AIdOeI5LHvNKYHBtV4jYYbvtsUWHH2WYU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=GjGqu+55mcwtY4W6lLOaAcV91rqxsYG1Gg9VGbZTXnaU/VFBFYoG5Q4BBieUtKCGKvYoClfalsqHLnaYWcg9romDWhI4D/GZ5SSwtZEDiHGuH3pSoGbT0K6sBBsMSUP6fpfzrrP5tWd1esF7Qqie0OAihD3/2sCpiD2Up/WF/i8CpcSdasfymaFKskvWHJCTI9737SBw3jpqSQjwoZPF3EQOpCF7zd0EWZzH2caXEooIUsYH1/rWaAjjwCCQviNNnFc0JZFvXQldAc0G/nQDZlZgn53Xbd+PzGoxj8/DNCOuR0HAAvOWKJx67ZK/rdbzpWdoSplzGWDQnYB4XiSRxA== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.73] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 15:59:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 395822.27813.bm@smtp110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: nWS9LkoVM1nzCkzXDW_3KK.cPuI9DchfqZwSfzrYDU62Gv7 HiE1ziHde43JnQuo1CZr1GxN3CGGtHIfp.FERnVq6J0.ExwEPyrUeY1fc2Cy Gm_kHjHdDx42u0aBt7PfsfIQAfJnq8xpUHJxOnOURd1JE8E11FAkUlklYvGj .l1u9lug8BfDK5nAL6tBrOenm2Xmh9_5V8Pl8KGjfPYWfJLjb31PHGT.Mp57 wsZh3XcNeEmkFt4sbhN4ehVxNF4dd6u_8BrhG7wahYmS5vf7iB.a0HxFsIF4 0Nd5gWLQbxaoe4cal8vSwsOQM3sj5CymkI4w6c_YdyCXnrVeUym90tlebZwL p73PxBzIvbmiibP0VBuvEMmRyhsBtEQeN46_8OKDdmxXo49okjlqBBmICK8w 3LDNo5lu6HPGsKjVzoNJtdPyOIVFxq8JJsWFaCP878EbAMeEij9hgUVxajtA yylG.rwlJ81kvSXtnu7BvCTFWtC5RiavlvX6iAvRsJ7YjuizQBdiP01tCKvn 4V3muZoCNeHTU8v0fSCJBQXDZ3R8eO9n9nraTZJNBEuxnNhjC2XMir9A- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:59:49 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914175949.4c580486@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:02:30 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:55:23 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >To park heads they release arm with heads, it is pulled by the spring >into "parking" position, and stops there by banging into the stopper >pin. This is a big stress, and mechanism can withstand only this >number of such bangs. To the contrary, keeping platters spinning does >not apply any stress onto any mechanical parts, except bearings, which >can live very long, especially if platter assembly is very well >balanced and bearings are well designed and manufactured. I agree with this ;). Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 16:09:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055DABDAFE2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 777AC1E52 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473869173; bh=hbqNUNxLz+2oMoe1jivMGYiOLCuLsvGjUwAnGdox6Cw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=SYjrRhuvqpthaLi+B2fqm79mxX7dIxPvaXDWdnFEfsXUCeAtqik95CL23sGCyZm9eTFJfxZToeqHTvgzg5sgb6/PiOg9aomjnCa73mwkz1ibuNjtxiFAe3gKMbRwefkiOh5Bg6Ksq0DUhIP8nsvqVCqMqttK2h3JnTRIXLyMeeyf3opxcl8umFwCNLadXzUppPllVKSvfhTP03Mo7U5EykzFQtL3EXXXJohIS8YrFwxaJgA5b09XaC8UvoMpBRbmBGu/dexVcalDerl4ZER5QxNPEQdoe3FpbPkd7kZvkk2UirSx0HVJ/G7BJ/MtzuePec/rGER8UMjqvKJha+Lekg== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm22.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 16:06:13 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.87] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 16:06:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 16:06:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 264226.91000.bm@smtp124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: IlsFWuAVM1kEpqLaaSyt6G1ChbFCr3GNlZeGVjI1KcaP5bm IOFaIuspWGlW5uAi_qKaQG2Ol43dMuKPoTSWMhV.CvPAdmN7KnFoSwq6pBcX gr_Eo4u47O6_Xmduzw9YQh_3__JI2UeimQV0TL_EviDa34grZkE.BEC42KNa FG2CTWtG_c9kU3oaFo_Yew_qWi859ycF.e4oY2wnz7p1vawJY.qeVvmYsTCi w_7ma5Rkgv2QnlmciZMRS1Udi9mJ4Av7rI4xzmWS3yn.t7MKyr5kaU11phqo PVt722uF7YYfs6H49oq8YGdyMwxrORMO84JfEy_n2tc2Tix5dOQ0B2EMhB2u 27.oeKcngRJ4nLbotFRZa8npaiDdZ4dtjQPWYOfNqk4xfayRefx2mPEciR7z 4x_ODUgws9abxg3z6Gzg0pcQeqGAj1Zp26VvgoqFur7K.mcNN2QWQ3SusqhC QEZNNcy7kL0EBv19POY9AR57LKMqoD0rKFSIukcmnCxgbMRN2.W3rCJnRHY_ OTq6knCNbLFZ4rkUrTBaPU0DS53x6pgD6l6QkShAYkqcf1Xoyom.Pu2y5gyV tmTlduEewHF1.hgndg6NZhvylTsfdstk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:06:13 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914180613.1c0f4fc2@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <33814.128.135.52.6.1473865794.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> <33814.128.135.52.6.1473865794.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:09:26 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:09:54 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Sure, if a green drive is unwanted, nobody should buy a green >> drive. > >Yes, nobody should. Still, they do I bought my by accident, fortunately it doesn't matter, even while it's a backup drive, for my home computer. But since I care that it doesn't spin down and up too often, by allowing it to stay asleep and as a backup drive I often disconnect it, the drive is already nearly 4 years old, without every running into an issue. Anyway, next time I likely would buy a case with an USB controller and a separated non-green drive to mount into this case. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 17:52:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC211BD51BE for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22c.google.com (mail-oi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71EB51997 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w11so33535162oia.2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AQgGsrHUIjQ7Fxc5YKW/LMHTaVGJ5JonrvP56rl4DgY=; b=D4cQ37ep8kXlWy30/mCQYEiBh8P7EWHaPyr6Y0N6zYwvAKBYFK5bFO/5lcKn9JU+6+ WIEWnLItPLhoQarms5H8xpPPQaHTkFNnARLpOZSe9cbEACz/LVH3zliV95+sFe1ECDQ1 d/Gd76nJLTFOIFkhGkEiVPV+GDCnz3vQ1oKv8dMBvqTCgLbYS/e2YyAAJzU7C7lEg9Ef elSAOWuhA4fBRY0iUBnYyZpzFI/08vcuQ05SrR4GMgpXFYplHWMxO1c4d9Thxg1D8uNm iipV1VdcizVDMYTvuQVIoMxjy+C47WbOiOSPC7YMOwDcziA2YJSX5Hx3HT6InktapZ6q jlPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AQgGsrHUIjQ7Fxc5YKW/LMHTaVGJ5JonrvP56rl4DgY=; b=hWDha/ZMC9zP4umaFwOsSuBzPtzfWouCNDOEVmvNF5iyFK5Y9nhOP84ceDZQTrHIAo DfbHW4MVyhLGuLCd4h8N/hALuAe3knpn5R21avfdUFqTqKkLassDxriRz06MZNqYdLDv BcwU9/9eTceiMe+0ymYt+ZkHZHFTebV2aiyI9abgrGuncrUfhz8MnbFnHcbt2fNAW+Cb ZtVsp/gvV4IjgKtAXdmokrBIkoPRH54dehQAujWMXYUd7YwWni7JGrSxQnuWahblQMqH LFlLx9Gy8s6cQ641Ci+lhJATWORggL8mBKuxe/H3vA5TjLDiHIrv0rh4A6Y33ki3F8Lw 7gOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwO3ZVF4xmu+KRGWJHWTrQ7FROYXE+N0gzb0kJyvYr6A8EotNxD5QbNzgmTYD0ReNDvYLgll96dCTwdhrg== X-Received: by 10.202.172.82 with SMTP id v79mr3463852oie.178.1473875535267; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:52:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.216.8 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:51:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> From: Amitabh Kant Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:21:54 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: David Benfell Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:16 -0000 Not very sure on this, but have you tried disabling extensions that might be configured to load along with PHP. One of the extensions might be be the problem which is preventing phpinfo to hang. Amitabh On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:25 AM, David Benfell wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/13/2016 11:51 AM, Patrick Hess wrote: > > So, how long is it taking to respond? If it's taking close to 30 seconds, > > I'd suggest investigating whether your DNS is working properly. > As near as I can tell, with radical action (ditching bind and nsd in > favor of djbdns), I have fixed DNS, including reverse DNS. phpinfo() > still apparently never returns. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 20:25:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E47BDAC9F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EAB11A0A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 1so53487037wmz.1 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:25:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BO1WLnK5bbb+3xd9yx/BDYjR1xv/LouaDUYZ1xT6akw=; b=zKQh7ij+fi1Qcl+sg6J+3oCkBIq/XtmuqFrkE/DM+XJinSOeLdCthPao7+VQiL3Hly qP+xgn7g/CVwG6JCeYkSDiLHCpVOA00oRey9gY9kWcgWh0nY6jgr9pLxv80m9qMkZjH6 RrDf4ZqbOPvw8eJrMxKg4Vwm5JHbwfD3xbiVobqdJbgVqa9hUpA8lblfexCu+WU8Cemr 57oO2omdVeOjYehBK9R+Evbs2oku/lcv3m+1J9sFWnaaUKRGFIZgnTYVFzqW7PMRccHg I8t9wyK63LM6uG+mW4yFk4FC4hIRfpIXneB3Wych6Tpq8r0hyq6nlqPREj3nOOyc29nz RhuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BO1WLnK5bbb+3xd9yx/BDYjR1xv/LouaDUYZ1xT6akw=; b=YAdHuvr9ok/grgdvIKSeSvtV8bx6XhJnefaV65KW5Fb0oXDB6+nrJ+/GjPCoPeuHoV QAab7+UqxkX2YJ6ag+T0GUkO5//xgcublfjvPPxLQwUZRBHFHQrNNG2CAlBaTnOPQaQ/ J1EhnOKgi1NX/WVHnzmA3yNg/TzkFvk8PuYii0M9Ot673k0BjSpBekF/qICyQgCr7/De nnaexCfrSM4hJ1G2Y2AgZmZJFzMkRzXpXDyIw2HCDpssS2LKfpu8T5rYuQmIeOtIjCyT twBpDoPgq+BtryvtuShT7RO7OCtxaLFUBHHh2i8xJ4L7lz49xZuM+rzsV9KX+O6ZV6tL 4ChA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMTvToI/Jom/R7JPzMOEbW2ro6XeRgzusaZqwMkGIAIj402sAhWyidBjIB04we85w== X-Received: by 10.194.89.129 with SMTP id bo1mr4321813wjb.105.1473884752351; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c134sm6296302wme.5.2016.09.14.13.25.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:25:45 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914212545.144b0719@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:25:54 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Wed, September 14, 2016 8:33 am, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Drives are typically rated for 300k load-cycles, so at 30 minutes > > it's a non-issue - running the drive cooler and avoiding wear on > > the moving parts probably extends its life. > > > > Disagree. It is actually an opposite. Spinning down is the same as > turning the drive off: ... This is a big stress, and mechanism can > withstand only this number of such bangs. And the manufacturer quotes a value for that number of 300,000. The problematic WD drives went into standby after a fraction of a minute, so it was possible for them to fail prematurely. With a 30 minute timeout it would take 17 years of pathologically bad misuse to reach the rated value. > To the contrary, keeping > platters spinning does not apply any stress onto any mechanical > parts, except bearings, which can live very long, especially if > platter assembly is very well balanced and bearings are well designed > and manufactured. But you go on to say that consumer grade drives aren't designed to spin for a long-time which contradicts that. > In any case, "consumer" grade drives never come > to composite time of use like 8-10 years (drives on many servers are > up and always hot for about this long), As it happens I have a dock next to my TV that contains two drive that were manufactured in 2005 and 2009 and they are both still in good condition. If they'd being spinning 24/7 they'd both be long since dead. It seems to me that if you want to maximize the life of a consumer drive you have to let it spin-down. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 21:10:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE090BDBF23 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail92c50.megamailservers.eu (mail1410c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.14.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13E9D1AD7 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from archlinux.localdomain (x5ce0d382.dyn.telefonica.de [92.224.211.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail92c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u8EKsM67001848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1473886462.3232.25.camel@alice-dsl.net> Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:54:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20160914212545.144b0719@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914143327.3b7d3c36@gumby.homeunix.com> <12225.128.135.52.6.1473864923.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20160914212545.144b0719@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.20.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0205.57D9B900.007A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.1 cv=KYTr72oD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AMOkcjiMFFgm5N5X39GpzQ==:117 a=AMOkcjiMFFgm5N5X39GpzQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=u7yCsFX0oVeB7OwqaIYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:10:08 -0000 On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 21:25 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > It seems to me that if you want to maximize the life of a consumer > drive you have to let it spin-down. I used several drives with computers that were turned off and on several times a day. Those drives only last for around 2 years. My current internal non-green drives are often running for 8 days, before I turn of the home computer, their running times are already around 4 years, their lifetimes are older. Most, if not all my drives that get borked, couldn't release the heads anymore. Btw. if you need to get data from such a drive, that wasn't backuped, you could use a hammer or something similar and hit the drive, to release the heads. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 21:20:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2DCB9639A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C27D1241 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id k186so31909733wmd.0 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tZ3WFchy0fnwIuXoDEZ5V74Jg23Co8Q0Vnb7VzZvRoc=; b=iQ1b3E0hjCM7aEg6oPEdjMGWytPIZn9D1hcpsD04CM7loQPorNVTaVRngYDmZUQa+8 qQcYXSAWcYJuCTqPpTTtWITT2HwQsrVcxr1wo+ur/ZQs3obfwJOkpF9/a9npE1YvfTN+ AvmVRnsBuB1sot2MKZQD4B39ROC08cLePAbpYmtsdPAStWB63lwAoG9VOnJSZHMBdPRm LO72j9Oy/n//yZSphDyi4BfrcvSAuhKjkWzAaWJ4j4vzIR5Gdjsi++VaSNA9UrAZzsz9 57TSSXGaPybKn3e0iHK/lIhEl+Oo7u2uWUT3FvI+BiP611/lenIebtO3n0r783ZUOgCJ 6Q2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tZ3WFchy0fnwIuXoDEZ5V74Jg23Co8Q0Vnb7VzZvRoc=; b=gtc59TrOJkbgLeTYiAFSdkqDHxn3xMnYP51jIe9LBwnLXoYr5UnDcoOUu+knTiZouD /kjf2SsJAqLU7hnMZjn8Q6b/X27OUIZ92Q7G/3xbg7tSu8Vska3k/djSkMjEAfr51QHq hSuS+utTflgICHS9jIF/BJnlyVYuPc+3OoGfYf3jswprSzsKAEtYK4MUru9qPYd9ivpj cw/BVBBMjJvIC0cb1Nl0Vg9hEJINpCpPPSLBbvjGV6zgUxZv16j6uNHw5fMCkkVwpvFV DOfeEuXRNdFYDnJe4swkgZNobzLT5mhSjYDt00um6CvUzmqoUgF/C8SSu9i4LlI3FEJs 9kww== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwP6RRpJPD0vbM0pDRIpQkFIpHuSLJRa+H/qLhkDdZM9hJlj6+y7Qx5hy6/P41BBMg== X-Received: by 10.194.29.7 with SMTP id f7mr4392692wjh.99.1473887998349; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ml1sm100487wjb.46.2016.09.14.14.19.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:20:01 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:54:49 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:03:49 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > >I do almost everything like that on tmpfs. > > That was my suggestion, too. However, it has got one pitfall, the size > of tmpfs. At least on Linux a swap doesn't help, if tmpfs should run > out of space. Swap helps in avoiding occasional problems. When I first started using tmpfs I had 1.5 GB of RAM and 4GB of swap and set a limit 4GB (the maximum for i386). I currently have 16GB of RAM and a tmpfs limit of 25GB I don't need that much, I never even come close to running out of memory for port building. I just means that I don't have worry about it. > Anyway, I nearly compile everything in tmpfs with just > 1.9 GiB, just sometimes I enlarge it to 3 GiB or directly use the hard > disk. A kernel not necessarily fails, but could fail to build with > just 1.9 GiB, something like Firefox fails with 1.9 GiB, but at the > moment I can't remember that 3 GiB ever was too small. I've got 4 GiB > or RAM, but a little bit less is available, so a modern machine with > much more than 4 GiB RAM should allow to chose a huge enough tmpfs. IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 22:37:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FEEBDB2C4 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1058ea0cd4=vogelke@pobox.com) Received: from LACKLAND-MAIL2.afnoc.af.mil (lackland-mail2.afnoc.af.mil [132.3.45.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "LACKLAND-MAIL2.afnoc.af.mil", Issuer "DOD CA-28" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC7A9195F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1058ea0cd4=vogelke@pobox.com) Received-PRA: neutral (us.af.mil: 131.9.254.134 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pobox.com) client-ip=131.9.254.134; envelope-from=vogelke@pobox.com; helo=us.af.mil; Received-SPF: neutral (us.af.mil: 131.9.254.134 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pobox.com) client-ip=131.9.254.134; envelope-from=vogelke@pobox.com; helo=us.af.mil; Received: from us.af.mil (unknown [131.9.254.134]) by LACKLAND-MAIL2.afnoc.af.mil with smtp (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) id 2a3e_7e45_a06014f7_5bb9_454a_932b_db60ca7063d5; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:36:59 +0000 Received: from ([131.9.40.227]) by 52vejx-mr-003.us.af.mil with SMTP id 40Z0FN1.240781580; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:06:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 24693 invoked by uid 100); 14 Sep 2016 22:06:45 -0000 From: "Karl Vogel" Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:06:45 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building X11 Message-ID: <20160914220645.GA22847@bsd118.wpafb.af.mil> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:37:14 -0000 On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 07:28:19PM -0800, CK wrote: CK> deciding to install X11 from scratch to avoid the massive CK> amounts of "junk" that is required to be downloaded and CK> installed with a "ports" installation [...] FWIW, I tried installing a new desktop many years ago, and got lots of nagging messages about certain X libraries being out of date. I updated a few of those at a time (massive mistake, I admit) and shortly wound up with a system that was unbootable. CK> is it impossible to perform the work of c_client.py using CK> standard Unix tools? It's certainly possible, but... CK> The core and extension protocol descriptions are in XML, with a CK> program written in Python creating the C bindings. (Previous CK> versions used m4). [from Wikipedia] ...I think XML is the big turd in the pipe here. If someone has an M4 program that can *correctly* parse and handle XML, I'm pretty sure I'd go blind and/or sterile trying to read it. For something as complex as C-bindings for a huge software base like X11, maybe you need a language like XML -- I'm not competent to say. If XML is the best way to handle this, you *DO* need a language with a decent XML library; Perl, Python, or Javascript are most common if you're talking about something you don't need to compile. Cool kids don't use Perl any more, and nobody with any sense would use JS as part of a Unix build process, so that narrows things down a bit. If the C-bindings don't change that often, and if they're OS-dependent, I wouldn't mind seeing a directory tree like under the Perl sources (cygwin, djgpp, bsd, solaris, win32, etc) with basic prebuilt C-binding files, along with a configure option that says "use this directory instead of running c_client.py". However, I don't even know if that's possible. CK> and the same kind of nonsense can be found in configure scripts CK> that detect Gawk or some other GNU program, and then refuse to CK> continue compilation without Glib, and then if you install that, CK> then they want Iconv, and then if you install that, ./configure CK> wants Libintl, and so on, like endless fucking GNU octopus CK> tentacles that try to take over a users entire system. I've run into that, and the easiest way to kill the octopus is to run "./configure --help" and use "--disable-nls", "--without-libintl", etc. to kill as much crap as I can and still get a working program. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Woman gets revenge on babe-watching beau by glueing his eyes shut --"National Examiner" article, 15 Aug 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 22:40:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05911BDB431 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95DC61A7E for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 1so58720414wmz.1 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:40:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2EOuTASNiBYufbwTYSQUioWkkA/9ZpXeutjvvysHGvA=; b=nQqz7ADDKv/o4AFxnEP74Tjd9fCQAcP8hLaCxuU9EBJ08kE8zYNu6oSSH9tL6i/7fd 1oFI2WM5URWyOJjVb9vxrnatoDObWL9FgAa7Le5Grb6h21+ATJ6n0z/BZoken60YdKoY LdO80T0AVQRMnlQzZS3DCrWKleMacCeubGKRDOIvajIgnR8Vgw16EIAFNSfpsnn1ZKkn AZsgxxViZ0Ta5OsdBKr5mrRTDHmZiRwZ7AaxKVr1MqZX5lp4QGoklXPO84YiJP86C5nD 99IbgRfFr+B2fACyMkUu9XrF2p738fAM+VnorigQpjHd7OIeUBteVFhkLjPUhEzNZn9u 6pDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2EOuTASNiBYufbwTYSQUioWkkA/9ZpXeutjvvysHGvA=; b=cdXGs3qWD6+WgvK52AxdHZVjEJ2OBgjIVPblwkZ5TinkESFaIHpCxPeyzflclTPZzy C16tfLKspn9waUb9DxVFEOXsJJTHIK1U84032jOwV1g+xvaCXMZWDticASenPkvp9DL6 HBh1ghz+Sfsw5skXgm/VPMasItSLiZD1bQJ3xvZfOb0huCrhKZD7Zzm/bOdcvW4e1I66 A/NMiw/IhyX6WMM9z1uoAQWt8HIOFEGDoDvs6bI7DFWl8sfHYsTafPXnGtehPRNY+cn6 rNucOcue49U0i6+lWKyeLDOQsGDEbuKGhW6Zob929PWKX0N619b5XH490UovbDqqkFYV kclQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMakIxgjUkXWiaw3JD0nXDAvaYWl4Wuh9VGbAX1Md4ba323GHD5l8SMJlSqxi8VLQ== X-Received: by 10.28.145.20 with SMTP id t20mr5513390wmd.74.1473892801904; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u64sm12850503wmd.20.2016.09.14.15.39.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:39:58 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160914233958.3ae5d3ae@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <64887.128.135.52.6.1473793846.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <64887.128.135.52.6.1473793846.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:40:05 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Valeri Galtsev wrote: > I usually use HGST (formerly Hitachi, before that IBM); - He filled > and sealed ones sound really good (we will know statistics on them > some 5-7 years down the road, so now we can only guess). Personally I wouldn't want to risk it until then. These drives rely on the helium atmosphere to work correctly, and helium is notoriously difficult to contain in the long-term because it's a monatomic gas. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 22:52:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1455FBDB84C for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B90132E for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id F0E61CB8CB0; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33086.128.135.52.6.1473893539.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20160914233958.3ae5d3ae@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <64887.128.135.52.6.1473793846.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20160914233958.3ae5d3ae@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "RW" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:52:27 -0000 On Wed, September 14, 2016 5:39 pm, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) > Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> I usually use HGST (formerly Hitachi, before that IBM); - He filled >> and sealed ones sound really good (we will know statistics on them >> some 5-7 years down the road, so now we can only guess). > > Personally I wouldn't want to risk it until then. These drives rely on > the helium atmosphere to work correctly, and helium is notoriously > difficult to contain in the long-term because it's a monatomic gas. My rusted knowledge of physics suggests me that this is absolutely correct if you keep helium in container at higher pressure than exterior environment pressure. If exterior pressure is the same as pressure inside sealed container, even if the seal is not perfect, sealed gas doesn't leak away as fast as when there is pressure difference - much slower. Also, seal made of metal, e.g. Indium, which is monoatomic substance itself (very soft, BTW, you can press out of syringe indium and make thin wire this way), may be extremely good to seal monoatomic gas. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 14 23:38:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201DABDA618 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm31-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm31-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937891F93 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473896328; bh=VgbGDDowDS+yo292+PprFEiCMStdbisObIiTmuPEDP8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=IwRPtGdoBEVStewq9CwO9OzFJrRX5SthyvXjzuL6fI0EbqXC29FAQmxZtBOzWYZlgRT8sn5OyGznRMiDUc4UfHBKznaYN2U97yqKVMKlr4SJTRycV3GmB9RsgUouh8EEDbLtYxfBYGn85t9B3cS07wrFY3Y8sU32rvnjKKmBCM9E3wObkDDeixJGkp0nkTjzw2mavioygse65X2FcuFzwLtByk5cccVsbB/RgLb8tQzuulpuAt4QJ/yYB8G7r7nq0uVToy7VH/aebWmGS9y7O6nVUsBLnhIZn3TaI5vY5zeWwL5iYB6KVhdu9GcbaTS0AbOKGMwQ3AZJL7hyXvC89w== Received: from [212.82.98.50] by nm31.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 23:38:48 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.81] by tm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 23:38:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2016 23:38:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 341271.25075.bm@smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: kMTAhZIVM1lSd2vomxL41GOb.VB8iXde4cPnmoFn7H7Ri8n I6PsforO0JVjwcaQk_YPxOyx3EmCKDaETOt6m2C27A.7c5Z4HhoqdqPuNKzJ swF8yPb0u0FWMMPP5dub.wMpr3wjYXLrzne0einF0WKDLnciqO6QK5Q5WPcg nuvmRd9XxCbGc88zcnuN9iF.usBkPdizpCMNHtMjVonb5nEu39xMcuzQOLvQ vF.RwXw06VAL.RyW2id_GjqJVSyEoWlk6nrZAiBa3kH9y9JH.OosHWfV0R4Y NerSHECva5VT.Pq5PcwNjtuRzUsb8EI2zAU0b_4CTgfDidU78VOOiedC_YoS gNMy6RsI3rP9tYPeNcV_ZHblD_LkntqdT5H.XDp0iQpDMyeRU5n3T0QTFl5O y70tQq48rbdqXdgZ82t6.aDmkjoiVMznIhjbgivHxn75nNhAsOGNF8Bk1BTR _G06iIDSFw83kMU4fCL0t6RM0iGggbTGahB4ynEesRWsixyAK6A.wm7YClkU Nq.NCU4pYwVQaQZPF.8R.EmoVht1IwrgSsCHq8PAa6vqQphqot_ZC.EZ_ZU_ OFdf.BSy1Vv31kuYvdrg8vb8oDYaJm8c- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 01:38:48 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:38:57 -0000 On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause issues with other software running at the same time. It would be nice, if here would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to tmpfs and if the 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it does exist, I might be just to lazy to find out. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 02:00:43 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D889BDB6A1 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 02:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E584516A5 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 02:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA4D3E64D990; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: Amitabh Kant References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: David Benfell Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:59:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GRxaxcx6lQ854EDiNmt053JXa8DVwq8xn" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 02:00:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --GRxaxcx6lQ854EDiNmt053JXa8DVwq8xn Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dxrcfIgVH0kr1KNHoUpjOX9tEfqrR0NEU" From: David Benfell To: Amitabh Kant Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: --dxrcfIgVH0kr1KNHoUpjOX9tEfqrR0NEU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Amitabh, On 09/14/2016 10:51 AM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > Not very sure on this, but have you tried disabling extensions that > might be configured to load along with PHP. One of the extensions > might be be the problem which is preventing phpinfo to hang. I certainly can't rule this out. It'd help if I had some way to narrow down the list of possible offenders. This is a production system and most extensions are critical to my web services. 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[97.116.17.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r200sm69180itc.13.2016.09.14.19.23.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:23:08 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: CK Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building X11 In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: <86wpidkik4.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 02:23:11 -0000 CK writes: > it's just a question on the future of BSDs. are they going > to conform to Apple/Linux/Microsoft - or will any effort be made > to remain true to Unix standards/sanity/roots? While I sympathize with a lot of your message, this last bit falls face-first into the fallacy of thinking that a graphical interface is in any way a part of FreeBSD or Unix in general. It is not. Xorg is an independent project led by people that do whatever they want. The FreeBSD base system has no Xorg components in it; neither did the classic Unix systems, and X was not the only windowing system conceived for Unix or Unix-like systems over the decades. Moreover, that you might need the occasional GNU utility to build some part of Xorg or another, doesn't mean you need to keep them installed for X11 to run Xorg on a *BSD system.[1] Whatever you think of Xorg or the X Consortium, they in no way reflect on the *BSDs. You can't discern what the intentions of the *BSD developers are by looking at the direction Xorg is headed in. All it tells you is ...well, the direction Xorg is headed in. And the fact is that it's been headed straight down the road to suckville for along time. It's stable and all, but it hasn't aged well and should be replaced. But for now it's what we've got. You can also complain about the tedium of ports, but if you find it so tedious to deal with things actually required to, y'know, *port* the software to FreeBSD, then you should just use the packages the ports team already went through the trouble of making for everyone. [1]: I'm can't tell if you thought downloading the source and building it manually would somehow make the build dependencies disappear, so I'll just assume you had something else in mind that I'm not seeing/overlooked. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 03:53:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AA4BD9310 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B61150E for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m11so52773531oif.1 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:53:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fJ1BMSDL5/HgDdwWBCgdldgX8Tch3NjBmkYIvfG0Ej0=; b=tVFqIaPlmKJrgEdUyyVR6cOZ7nhhbAVQvw0RMSx5s6xE65kQ7J6fB6lQNQNfZJiKFk bRsi1BTKsAXRx/enMd2KhqovjrrAJoZ35N+lCrs27D6oxgKF0XYwFpehX7oG3NntMaxd +koXBtNZKjM8hR02hLWv3vIy7Sg4zAulF8tSg26IBglvWUDW/C0Nd69bkXBs+1avdaL8 MKKnl0mPY6XV/cJyiTEhbk2JaiuInS1lFexJXDHrEG62NyjDu6+SeZL+FJfz6VJJlM3g cNOu0Np467QH/KaS8jUbGBH8u8liflxpSzy8Ie8hR/jg11NJjLkEoDFgpC6QI601BoIt U7yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fJ1BMSDL5/HgDdwWBCgdldgX8Tch3NjBmkYIvfG0Ej0=; b=BUeNP/wqpzNJ2jLK3a7s/z/CrLaOdJdBqLwveeijqyNHDTFkVf0LlY9Lp56Wzda0h8 C0bPf627coPFgiRr9UnnQAIEehvHQ9PE3bcivAE+uFn6dPqcWQL1oxVg9Of9Yy62xpUY EbymNJNp+3XnXeFVcfY2ps3ySsjPyc4O96fQw1Id8WZvgPBQPvJTtpkwtlzi2dIa+vEv qf/c868GKLBTK3b3PT+PJVIcnumf7c8XFsDoqKup5gU32xpT5E1ftGfIY3zf6bkMmjMs nomduzIvHHLDx5scQCTTVjxQWmMpHvIN4PCO3Tiuqi95l+bBS+Im4GJIfcFFDQlgNZfd 0KZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNN2D9WH1fci6O/U1LJb5SPo2RkdG+1zjjJihCUEN2D8FmJln03IAbUdYJNSVWXNmy8K2ac6tudYuo4gA== X-Received: by 10.202.227.21 with SMTP id a21mr5780601oih.92.1473911583866; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:53:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.216.8 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> From: Amitabh Kant Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:22:43 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: David Benfell Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:53:05 -0000 Hi David Does "php -i" command also hang on terminal? If yes, then try using the command with -c switch to specify a custom php.ini file with extensions removed or pruned to bare minimum, and keep on adding till you get to the problem extension. Amitabh On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:29 AM, David Benfell wrote: > Hi Amitabh, > > On 09/14/2016 10:51 AM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > > Not very sure on this, but have you tried disabling extensions that > > might be configured to load along with PHP. One of the extensions > > might be be the problem which is preventing phpinfo to hang. > I certainly can't rule this out. It'd help if I had some way to narrow > down the list of possible offenders. This is a production system and > most extensions are critical to my web services. > > Thanks! > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 04:09:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F40BD97E4 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 580DB1AC1 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7122E64DA09; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: Amitabh Kant References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: David Benfell Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:09:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HuM4b9gARwDFDIaKNHqkx4QocH2J8k7fD" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:09:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --HuM4b9gARwDFDIaKNHqkx4QocH2J8k7fD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="p9eC0i2TWpdOlvArcxd3NsnUu32H7dKU7" From: David Benfell To: Amitabh Kant Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: --p9eC0i2TWpdOlvArcxd3NsnUu32H7dKU7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Amitabh, On 09/14/2016 08:52 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > Hi David > > Does "php -i" command also hang on terminal? No, and is this supposed to be the same or similar output as phpinfo()? (Based on rather hazy memory and a loose interpretation both of the output and the man page, it sorta kinda looks like it.) It produced quite a lot of output within a very few seconds. --p9eC0i2TWpdOlvArcxd3NsnUu32H7dKU7-- --HuM4b9gARwDFDIaKNHqkx4QocH2J8k7fD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX2h79AAoJEOoml8Ul4D7WGf4P/jL9KSyKmztRKqVFHP2b0Z8n kDZO+IG1TFl2jTh6+4kI2WLFBsO0enJ+EhSf+jPbNeRoLva7BNKJj/pxH4+9inrV XaZlTyF15QZ1K00g1XxfjrhkT5m11TpQddBEgLypZ+RSXlbW0O1+pBh9kBEmIg3N BYVS+cl6p4AANMn+lT2vHnF1oJ3DoVtJ7xEx7XNXCEaxBjJ7uBFu+GGRstsrnOtY UeoZdJxJWSIzUXuZXMviIkHVomTXJDjBJAOOmdUpIsL/5DMZn0JkddmIKBwoRBjn biWKn/P0grbY6bLY7hGmGDt6dYTbxDSBw7giXZ4yKIxUc7XqjmfppBbMB0AE+DFP sLw/c8fUSH1fGM8bKCLVtM+x8GV03/4pagpLFw62KZVi1Rblt/kv5xyvTobHkyMK 00iQmFbKwza1aUFeQJqJoaGy3aNMQRKQVQ2z2BWTrEcCSbzo2QK+TEPto306HkK2 Mov6vkMkHO2OetMv0WLCcbKlConaM7KZs/cmzCwe1wqNgpGlqrZjCYQNl4CRxdRK HXSHIg8o3ciLe5h1CKCDh7J5rfJ/X2H/HP6SWE7OzAloGOajsr8Y6h6/PtKzmWDd B9NKlkRvRqqCEKKjLLPuuF/2enJtvrRGOb6mq9WqY87dbXL6hEmKPdDwBAwSrf64 h8SL8688QUjVc7peF9XA =pWpW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HuM4b9gARwDFDIaKNHqkx4QocH2J8k7fD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 04:23:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D747BD9E0D for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22d.google.com (mail-oi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33D81223 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id w11so53401322oia.2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:23:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TWTic2vrTnOZZHq8z30xUVniK7Jm0Nl1QbHcLvLtJ98=; b=t+i+paWYK33qq+u3dGEWCP+kGEaZY68z/5e6smx4rD4Xx90heuIV8Hd1gwlt+Be96D OKMmITNZACa3QfXq4oyj3mdRA+fFYSn7AGtgVa54zwk5ivb17O3D1JYgs5BRts7IjhpP FoTd/N0SVP1tz9qUd2eQ+icy1VrS542t3D61iwZ/prqaDMKvQipqyP8VcT3RZUsYBu3j MYKVZkdiZBBtGWBHUtcaCkj8RwMEiBZQKwrr+82aJ+GaNkNz6dtI3L/2Uay7qYIaBiWr YWY+TBouYr+A87vwXKAMNWxwmkGn2JQAYGMKXlpLNc6Q8emUGW4yi21r17uTp1ZtgH7M YIvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TWTic2vrTnOZZHq8z30xUVniK7Jm0Nl1QbHcLvLtJ98=; b=b30hL6PXpc/WjSIdCNMaqcFgibcpoO3AZvnp2RL0gj5wLvooI+juEb2HlbdUN/ho6b OWofIjMwehmnToI2mMu4eYclcXnxnkh7gOOGsbdrMif/AyQtzNQcZ4YSBWyTtegrj1V2 yZ4awlEE86PscyoIS+3ARUltTp0s7Wba7K+kEyxd/d8UmZA2CaxN6Lw/Tfb25AacEVWc T6r/PBxW7aQAbHPLYzE9Ra0cFMYqZTFhEQfWgO7gHYIN4oqJLdbgMmn7ZqLa4AIK26Pv PdrRpFD0m01hGAQZ9P8BIx5jTIW7y1yBN95QTTn5f87QBAYfeF2TzlboPHeYpFWaQPg5 FQqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPS5iQGeMGKrVK3bofYXl9A1rLEh18PeICKttygNoWxv5Ar6hhgna9bVTUyXRXJ9SRBW7+lLHbXK7hjPA== X-Received: by 10.157.44.246 with SMTP id e51mr5513334otd.198.1473913426959; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:23:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.216.8 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:23:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> From: Amitabh Kant Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:53:26 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: David Benfell Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:23:48 -0000 Yes, it produces the same output. How is PHP being called by the web server? What are the extensions loaded by default? Amitabh On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Benfell wrote: > Hi Amitabh, > > On 09/14/2016 08:52 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > > Hi David > > > > Does "php -i" command also hang on terminal? > No, and is this supposed to be the same or similar output as phpinfo()? > (Based on rather hazy memory and a loose interpretation both of the > output and the man page, it sorta kinda looks like it.) It produced > quite a lot of output within a very few seconds. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 06:06:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9154BDB828 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from mail.parts-unknown.org (mail.parts-unknown.org [50.250.218.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA8731A1F for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benfell@parts-unknown.org) Received: from [192.168.86.101] (unknown [50.250.218.173]) by mail.parts-unknown.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71D25E64D990 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> From: David Benfell Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:06:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xqMHw40tlJlrV1s6ECVVWk3rwtRlatcSk" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:06:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xqMHw40tlJlrV1s6ECVVWk3rwtRlatcSk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PfaDW62Q50HQSGupjFpU8AF1MsaqmeeaS" From: David Benfell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> In-Reply-To: --PfaDW62Q50HQSGupjFpU8AF1MsaqmeeaS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/14/2016 09:23 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > Yes, it produces the same output. > > How is PHP being called by the web server? What are the extensions load= ed > by default? This would be apache 2.4 from the port, currently apache24-2.4.23_1 working with mod_php (I've tried but never succeeded in getting php-fpm to work with apache). As to the modules, I'm loading most of them because it's hard to tell which ones I don't need. I think I'm loading all of the following: apcu.so bcmath.so bz2.so calendar.so ctype.so curl.so dom.so exif.so fileinfo.so filter.so ftp.so gd.so geoip.so gettext.so gmp.so hash.so iconv.so igbinary.so imagick.so imap.so intl.so json.so ldap.so mbstring.so mcrypt.so memcache.so memcached.so mssql.so mysql.so mysqli.so odbc.so openssl.so pam.so pcntl.so pdf.so pdo.so pdo_dblib.so pdo_mysql.so pdo_odbc.so pdo_pgsql.so pdo_sqlite.so pgsql.so phar.so posix.so pspell.so readline.so session.so shmop.so simplexml.so soap.so sockets.so sqlite3.so sybase_ct.so sysvmsg.so sysvsem.so sysvshm.so tokenizer.so twig.so uploadprogress.so wddx.so xml.so xmlreader.so xmlrpc.so xmlwriter.so xsl.so zip.so zlib.so Thanks! > > Amitabh > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Benfell > wrote: > >> Hi Amitabh, >> >> On 09/14/2016 08:52 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: >>> Hi David >>> >>> Does "php -i" command also hang on terminal? >> No, and is this supposed to be the same or similar output as phpinfo()= ? >> (Based on rather hazy memory and a loose interpretation both of the >> output and the man page, it sorta kinda looks like it.) 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Wandersee" References: <86wpidkik4.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3225) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:29:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0610FA67-2F49-4703-9A4E-B827A8414BCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 15 Sep. 2016, at 12:23, Brandon J. Wandersee = wrote: >=20 > I'm can't tell if you thought downloading the source and building > it manually would somehow make the build dependencies disappear, = so > I'll just assume you had something else in mind that I'm not > seeing/overlooked. I have done this before, and you can lose some build-time dependencies: = you can nerf the entire clang/llvm dependancy (one of the largest) by = disabling Gallium, and disabling documentation allows you to lose a = whole swathe of unneeded garbage. 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To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:36:07 -0000 On 15 Sep 2016 00:39, "Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions" < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could > >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. > > Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause issues > with other software running at the same time. It would be nice, if here > would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to tmpfs and if the > 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it does exist, I might > be just to lazy to find out. > Yes it does, and yes you are :P man fstab All the best > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 07:36:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75AEBDAD2C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E6618F4 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:44190] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5E/67-07130-F4F4AD75; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:35:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:34:27 +0000 Message-ID: <5E.67.07130.F4F4AD75@dnvrco-oedge02> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.130:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=RaQeCjdv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:117 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=-jSNpfp9M0g33ByVwlIA:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:36:56 -0000 Regarding that hard-drive crash three nights ago, GPT corrupted, it could have been a software fault (NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386), but I still am not ready to fully trust that hard drive, have to consider possible replacement. I would be doing heavy compiling in FreeBSD, base system and ports; also possibly NetBSD-current and pkgsrc, want to try to cross-compile Haiku and Linux toolchains, so would need something heavy-duty. NetBSD installation on USB stick couldn't help; System Rescue CD might have been able to restore GPT from the backup at end of disk. FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE installation on USB stick, including Rod Smith's gdisk and rsync, did better. I was able to mount the /home user-data partition read-only, and rsync the newer user data. Subsequently I restored the GPT from the end-of-disk backup; even ran fsck_ffs on partitions that were mounted at time of crash. Now the restoration looks successful; I even managed to run e2fsck on an ext2fs partition that was not properly unmounted. I made extra copies of partition table data using gdisk, onto USB stick. When the crash occurred, I was away from the computer, not actively running anything but I had X active with Firefox and some uxterm windows. OS was NetBSD-current 7.99.15 i386. So now I wonder if that was an infrequent, low-probability occurrence, or if the hard drive is going bad. This hard drive was Western Digital Green 3 TB purchased May 2013. Previously with Western Digital, I had a Green 3 TB from May 2011, went gradually bad in 34 months. Then a Western Digital My Book Essential 3 TB USB 3.0 drive, from the same purchase, went gradually bad with data errors. Green 3 TB hard drive (but not the USB 3.0 My Book Essential) was still just inside warranty; I managed to get a warranty replacement with much hassle. Replacement went suddenly bad after seven months; inside a Sabrent enclosure (USB 2.0 and eSATA, I preferred eSATA), it made sounds like a dialup modem connecting. Computer no longer recognized that hard drive. So I am reluctant to buy anything further from Western Digital, maybe HGST is better, or Seagate? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 09:30:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE11BDA340 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF15D1938 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473931676; bh=RlDlGNrnDLbXdfePu1fb5lvchhmm94hVOcXVBu3vhII=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=N3B7bgR9BT78meYQy8D3qqvqYwtg0s58wtt41bU/NtHvVHRwKTTyycLhWLsmkyPMDQ7erpeWE2rm2g+3hbIcEBn8ASJQBoybcc7WU6Vu7hFvIwQrztZzvCl+hALJ3MlI3kqEcV4K3SwgLESi8EBHe5/ebbYUduYuMqhzA38aClJftVtvfPTm6RZNhH5HYJ33gArv1G9zHfnVGJnX/evKS5QrbqqpAgExMMbs+bbKeNH9hKpaUVRe60+bjeOirNUprTj5OXRP/npBZvThMUOkRqwqfoGrYkEd9jH7SPGhPZS93D9MpHb8czhgRe4vB9uRoPPXUKPUGCoUboy38r6Yqw== Received: from [212.82.98.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:27:56 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.75] by tm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:27:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:27:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 942291.36651.bm@smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: YNZpw2MVM1ls6Iwlvbjs3hjaCJvGIvYOIZqqkCbG.14JSpJ pMY1jsGBuAW8GO1g8FZZQhkFqFj5vpQtOPAv.NSSlR7Ah32yssoWcKjuZj0W TGAdJ5lJ48WpEY0Ni5WFSBqVGHJZ70AzHzD5QJYdaY3mTG5fk_Twv2y3Wii2 fYXn4dv9utNE2DRUi_Q0RKSKgcTOw_e8V1LzPDSMmRkbRIhJpHg._ho0rUcI rZ1xIVRSZaN8rFZEtpu.wVxceKZczoj7DcwkF1ewfFTuKq1KdhISj.xJ18Ur o0Uk4XtAWVM_AWb2IM3H7sZYNfxmIgDZbi8FZ0o0AhiaO8SIwF1p2QICz6BC nY7hWHXrNUGVKY5_MJLTU7slUGzijf89Gs_EhPwywJiOATdU1D7B0Ojy2Dpv I9ZI6Tql4xLYMXCMTl1UCvvCSBgLx5ZMzSoTSKPV91ydKlKdOA8Tb4D2miyV Qm.TYgNo491pdLAGsJg1SvRGCViczuDwB2ipQR6l7yawIKWZU8iqeIJ8T2_f P9.zU1x.GXlE61dv3WvHHAEfqmOFJdBmlUc_Eb4Q1.eXCqTHYQFihdsUArhf A7iePQsZaW_GTxLDff9lm9NNp5yqn X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:27:57 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915112757.50a48498@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:30:14 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:36:04 +0100, Shamim Shahriar wrote: >On 15 Sep 2016 00:39, "Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions" < >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could >> >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. >> >> Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause >> issues with other software running at the same time. It would be >> nice, if here would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to >> tmpfs and if the 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it >> does exist, I might be just to lazy to find out. >> > >Yes it does, and yes you are :P >man fstab I will take a look at freebsd man fstab soon. However, on Linux it doesn't work if I have much swap and comment out the fstab line ... [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/fstab # # /etc/fstab: static file system information # # # UUID=f386221b-fc9c-434b-b4e7-b3b1b97be8aa LABEL=archlinux /dev/sda9 / ext3 rw,relatime,data=ordered 0 1 # UUID=3e19b702-30ed-4574-91d7-1594fad71842 /dev/sdb7 none swap defaults 0 0 # UUID=4b65ccbf-2219-4734-98fa-16c58d4f60fa #/dev/sda10 none swap defaults,pri=-2 0 0 /dev/sda10 none swap defaults 0 0 #/dev/sda11 /mnt/music ext3 noatime,defaults 0 2 #/dev/sdb12 /home/music ext4 noatime,defaults 0 2 /dev/sda11 /mnt/music ext3 defaults,noatime 0 2 /dev/sdb12 /home/music ext4 defaults,noatime 0 2 #tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G 0 0 ... and on Linux man fstab isn't very helpful. Btw. the default on Linux is half of the RAM, in my case 1.9 GiB, even without the fstab line. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 09:34:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77912BDA524 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm12-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9E4E1C3F for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473931949; bh=0eUGtOLqVGPQQy6ar0BsQH7b9H58R4FB71MzGQGqHzM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=hXoVLRcVOvRpnfgTL+IfbK7IlzvucYKi7UmVNut48J18XKb3H33dCgCVlWBrhHZqAFvAYSjnWyM+E+Cr5h5jzq2yIpvJRK0RzX6SoyblPuMMl+4RXx2Rx01So92ZsNjZAt/g4rLPq3kss3w+yrcvAiEmWwg8TJi9ukbpLjxOy1QvPeuADl9sUiaI68LA2e3hD92Mz4II/ulNWkNP0xV3QxNhhGkvrM5dXXhRhTfSU6FHMzsmfT+2odnl7bIR72+HWVX/eT+lBKzTzmCr8xsC27JoVAu5iKByegTPgYrR3LSp2G9WXfsB+q9bB29K7QXbfJflQWBeHSaNKnMKAAJzbQ== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:32:29 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.86] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:32:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp123.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 09:32:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 183008.14703.bm@smtp123.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: NA_YvMYVM1n8cUr5TSm.MW4V87J33wT8YAlzlnC_wqpe_qU OIvGBS6nEQMCqY1ntnfwyqdHka9cnIcK5d6kHuVGMx8OJ8ptHpmYNOdypLSF mtdkmZDkM0uOwEu95jECBwaEHgx7wGM9Wh.RtulkfG4dEKPPhohkbjc71WpP Zuhy3lEwuUVPymipowOZlez33MjHqTr1YGdrnWVV0sH38TuPg4zFGMqHoYic 3TJHYa5mlRVYGd5gQtLYXmxLRkz8T4jKHGvZvkTnQo96yhNn8y8iw5OdTT.q EDWd5a06IeH2ANXV9bfEvAtDK023t_7MoDOJ8VtMiqIJ7QJdo3Ac7HFGjoZI T3anBd1lNuu8xQyW6orQKALYVc8dNJLKmSEWzInE0CI4bFkhTAb8QNZyrJc8 gHG5d.EDY7xI3IHQ4OZiUFMYW1tRygteLvMYZsMqyzWZHMPcL1CI2NV3lbNc 5U0z1By4NovVZNe4KkcU9RutsszO7Xbh9jcjYand37TxLf4k_NBp2vvYR71i GTe5f9vws.OqUxM0pOeIUy3b4XniObut9zPLH3BEiFjvkg1X_v.h0 X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:32:29 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915113229.7e4e43f3@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160915112757.50a48498@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915112757.50a48498@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:34:37 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:27:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:36:04 +0100, Shamim Shahriar wrote: >>On 15 Sep 2016 00:39, "Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions" < >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions >>> wrote: >>> >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could >>> >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. >>> >>> Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause >>> issues with other software running at the same time. It would be >>> nice, if here would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to >>> tmpfs and if the 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it >>> does exist, I might be just to lazy to find out. >>> >> >>Yes it does, and yes you are :P >>man fstab > >I will take a look at freebsd man fstab soon. However, on Linux it >doesn't work if I have much swap and comment out the fstab line ... ^^^^^^^^^^^ This should red "uncomment" :D. > >[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/fstab ># ># /etc/fstab: static file system information ># ># > # UUID=f386221b-fc9c-434b-b4e7-b3b1b97be8aa >LABEL=archlinux /dev/sda9 / ext3 >rw,relatime,data=ordered 0 1 > ># UUID=3e19b702-30ed-4574-91d7-1594fad71842 >/dev/sdb7 none swap defaults 0 0 > ># UUID=4b65ccbf-2219-4734-98fa-16c58d4f60fa >#/dev/sda10 none swap defaults,pri=-2 0 0 >/dev/sda10 none swap defaults 0 0 > >#/dev/sda11 /mnt/music ext3 >noatime,defaults 0 2 >#/dev/sdb12 /home/music ext4 >noatime,defaults 0 >2 /dev/sda11 /mnt/music ext3 >defaults,noatime 0 >2 /dev/sdb12 /home/music ext4 >defaults,noatime 0 2 > >#tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G 0 0 > >... and on Linux man fstab isn't very helpful. Btw. the default on >Linux is half of the RAM, in my case 1.9 GiB, even without the fstab >line. > >Regards, >Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 10:04:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967B9BDAC54 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from mail.micite.net (lawrencium.micite.net [149.210.214.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20D18E2 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roland@micite.net) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (62-251-11-72.ip.xs4all.nl [62.251.11.72]) by mail.micite.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D262201A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:58:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=micite.net; s=20150418; t=1473933538; bh=4LK6NgPSAa4/xSRbyvOoS9feeeZ7ZmidOGJSIt8RX9Y=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=JZxZpmLuDieNl7nWuX4Q3liRI/2ZcKPjsr+chSVSeVWU0B7cBgU6A8p2OrMW0etom 3eqUfH2nWXWuQQNM6o9nVF1k8Q0cKNLNfDX6P0tzomVXvdFFuX+3bOWG1W/KzV8P6B qM9UXJ2DoIp/9zz/jVd2hqD+oRPAXJjMqKdYABYM= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Roland van Laar Subject: pkg audit and port upgrades Message-ID: <7c6f67b1-422d-bdd7-18aa-7aac6da13e90@micite.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:58:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:04:53 -0000 Hello Community, My question: How do I know if a vulnerable port has had an update? I get daily emails from pkg audit telling me about vulnerabilities in my ports. Today it was curl, but the latest curl hasn't yet had an update. I update the ports tree and rebuild my ports. Only to notice during the build that it stops the build because the port is still vulnerable. => Please update your ports tree and try again. => Note: Vulnerable ports are marked as such even if there is no update available. => If you wish to ignore this vulnerability rebuild with 'make DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes' *** Error code 1 Is there a way to know before I build my ports to know if there is a vulnerability? Regards, Roland van Laar From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 10:48:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CDFBD855A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAF21B80 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EE8B1542 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/3EE8B1542; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: pkg audit and port upgrades To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7c6f67b1-422d-bdd7-18aa-7aac6da13e90@micite.net> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:48:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7c6f67b1-422d-bdd7-18aa-7aac6da13e90@micite.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DfeBimuwMQ6A6EFsLRAh2BF7Tw7Ww3VVp" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:48:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DfeBimuwMQ6A6EFsLRAh2BF7Tw7Ww3VVp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mQojCNCukBJgnec5SjBeJUUjoEXneUOBN"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg audit and port upgrades References: <7c6f67b1-422d-bdd7-18aa-7aac6da13e90@micite.net> In-Reply-To: <7c6f67b1-422d-bdd7-18aa-7aac6da13e90@micite.net> --mQojCNCukBJgnec5SjBeJUUjoEXneUOBN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/09/2016 10:58, Roland van Laar via freebsd-questions wrote: > My question: How do I know if a vulnerable port has had an update? >=20 > I get daily emails from pkg audit telling me about vulnerabilities in m= y > ports. > Today it was curl, but the latest curl hasn't yet had an update. >=20 > I update the ports tree and rebuild my ports. > Only to notice during the build that it stops the build because the por= t > is still vulnerable. >=20 > =3D> Please update your ports tree and try again. > =3D> Note: Vulnerable ports are marked as such even if there is no upda= te > available. > =3D> If you wish to ignore this vulnerability rebuild with 'make > DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=3Dyes' > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Is there a way to know before I build my ports to know if there is a > vulnerability? Yeah -- it's relatively easy to see where there are updates available for existing and vulnerable packages. You just need to calculate the intesection between two lists: 1) All of the packages installed on your system with known vulnerabilities, generated by eg. pkg audit -q 2) All of the packages on your system with available updates generated by eg. pkg version -vRL=3D The 'R' option means 'use the repository catalogue' -- if you're going to be building locally from ports you might want to substitute 'I' (use the ports INDEX -- but be sure this is up to date) or 'P' (use the ports tree directly -- this is accurate, but slow.) Working out if the latest available version of a package is still vulnerable -- that's another story. pkg-audit(8) doesn't accept a package name + version to test if that particular version is vulnerable. That would make a good addition to its functionality. What's left? You can check the database pkg-audit(8) uses, which can be found in /var/db/pkg/vuln.xml. Not that XML is particularly friendly for traditional shell scripting. Given there's usually only a few vulnerable packages on a system at any one time, manually comparing against the versions given there might be feasible. Or use the rendered output from https://vuxml.freebsd.org/freebsd/index.html Cheers, Matthew --mQojCNCukBJgnec5SjBeJUUjoEXneUOBN-- --DfeBimuwMQ6A6EFsLRAh2BF7Tw7Ww3VVp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJX2nyQXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATd3MP/AuV+mg0djofQ3fxdZlJfYNj OXrxeR9nlpA2Norx64elKB7GDidXC1pBAAwtG674qmwHAOem02pS9AhqFyqGRNni t7msR5caLFHu0HpJYpX/Pv15ImpkZr7cEHjywJtgparCssdTpejnpCuwOnc+ZGIa 8X4/TpVRwK6D3RvLUynxrMhh6Ua0Bqs0+GSVsfye+OY7ofsKCY/Bej4pUw1fXLAc FnsqWwMuuwFutoa8iP0U6Fq9zHuhx336tm4/e5v1mp/Ht45uRBnixrD1NDaW5cfj P9Fc2a+tBHA4RBMBTdICAgM0ivxWBLjmm9ps5tjsONdvubq7fvMRkHbKovSYohK1 6KY7swXuFbeFN542tMIevDTGTdkgiO0ex1ISpuhTIduSRiglLJKDI5AW0/oFMeE9 KyqvPqThRAybRiF9e2zfppBT8rcnbK4WyWLwK/+fKYre4pJig0l3f2Y+GgCcVHHN ylrJmpBfGUSycrOuUvCbLRblSIcLPbY/020arc9FusR2JtdKdzamGIMQpI8nn5tq f9/5J2zHBuv3Ka69eRXkOkyevnE+LEzXwYSTM3gB9bljqOKBBDOolos8V/jPF+mO ld+RzAZ3jlbH8xE6KmrZ9wsT+Plponpkh4g3xjtxHwM3b6ci1iLBedlpSkx7DWTS +RJz1O1vGzupYHrohUYT =NHQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DfeBimuwMQ6A6EFsLRAh2BF7Tw7Ww3VVp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:09:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D29FBDB09B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 157FD364 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id u14so35537540lfd.1 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:09:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8BmQj0Lte9nKbsXpZ9a1orVTCwcUd/kkxeM44f4L5kA=; b=kzNtAzDERC+zN99KoQKEPAH2lwsnRyp4a6xBa/32up2tUqDfuTnzHzpoZ+6SxU7z32 9ntkvwyJHwkWPnKlVav+NemUz/OzH/cOwKrsxz9fGg2eJegbwbzwhaiimdTwmmQqbGo1 HXiJdW8J8s+nBfcrYSZ5h1draHQz0Qg5ekZGCOP7Mriz2CcH2mKO4NMkFfb2utaBH+Ty ovV7jw3AtLRki/dD8jaMXEwmcZucKaz7LQ9qBksu+HS/IM713eZjGDu+jgADe8avPYX/ +qKMBLhjYZfwxv2FGVZVj28FdLA9fS1Sd2RL8hmIec6QZ5vdhfmcYiHVS4NZIQ/0AnoV VP0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8BmQj0Lte9nKbsXpZ9a1orVTCwcUd/kkxeM44f4L5kA=; b=eNUaOqKZR6v74x91vp/hHfGZ2TNTm9WPLqBmyPoQTb0cySyQXmalas7+yPMoYmXR3p bvdQZztu4xf45tSEgxcT4IhGvLRo3eutFrDBc4lAXpW6Z3rayR6rIzF9iShWo9K24X4k q8SaVkdIfPCfigTCut0DtmMP7HNgIYop4uTlJaycqP6Su8yaovVlYRVOuWTrMXu5A3Gk ocUjg4W9fUM1JgMMdg21EbAmdkXtvcffmEoG1OQMBMTK7ke9D25evfoNL/V4Cp6t9IPt 5Ik9UFALTIu8VUGDQJOx24GJ1lZkHle0gaM6qLUI3ku1mo1iCo10TcxFmPto1fpVO7Cj Ht8g== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMWmCHyvFs0ufRIsG1Vv5BQPmBkJ5RIQblAU+kEk/T57I+Fkrg97lVVjCjFaWBtcg== X-Received: by 10.28.60.2 with SMTP id j2mr3056190wma.46.1473944947257; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f15sm2397816wmf.8.2016.09.15.06.09.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:08:56 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:09:10 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:36:04 +0100 Shamim Shahriar wrote: > On 15 Sep 2016 00:39, "Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions" < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions > > wrote: > > >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could > > >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. > > > > Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause > > issues with other software running at the same time. It would be > > nice, if here would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to > > tmpfs and if the 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it > > does exist, I might be just to lazy to find out. > > > > Yes it does, and yes you are :P > man fstab There's no such thing, you can specify the maximum size of a tmpfs, but not how much is kept in RAM. It doesn't matter though, because the VM system will handle it better than a simple limit. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:29:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A9CBDB6E7 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24ED0859 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id w204so49600231qka.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dGlUFLWtop2gjqou8K/g4IAGRx8bg1i1PpH31pG2AKI=; b=TsSmbToJ/lsyb29Pf6k/XabDiH7cCl7l4MR1KH28n2xcnVHBvsMRyhRxYt+zFpE2WL +kkeM0QucWu8jWuPrpMNxwNf7U7X/L5iTfbvh01owQbHrcs8YpCFzkDtiaIlLhLhCEXt T+wJk2aBUYCeX8nVeZ4xAMBUhEmdSM61nFTCd14TsuNLJas1BtF+8iqhSz4X1g/HM4kT qB4wUzjJHv/FEpXRmIx6BLBbueSrUp/AlXTo4ZzX2x94UPSIkrFAMufH6u/VPVK5idjK JycjoG6RPEooA7krR4z65rrBN99FXFv7g+SzDiZuerSWossDtdqYKY+SpPnRkF/jRI7w sovA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dGlUFLWtop2gjqou8K/g4IAGRx8bg1i1PpH31pG2AKI=; b=OniXOk9Dc3yocgHYkwJME+ROlR69yWIrNDs/MizACnrjio5dqoMCPnOK7Rgf/Ldop9 Tcf+8MzUEMzAfGHlt73Hs+lUjDlWMVhbb+kkWQsqMBBW60sYYxr80ZXMunM1gUXo9z1p pXEuSV+Or9Z2ok9FvrFwiJTPQuQL2QsOrtVXf3KgOJYclYjKWVU8uMonUl//94K9HLFQ CDII/P2hUwycBISXYNH3qwbpMLWFkh+fFSPBobnD0lMoNfXeqLcrSoK/yZngmm2E9GZC gbp/i+Sr88o5CsK+4FUFuR8en/I1CWNKIG0Ot1f4XTwQRtNL1BxZ6Y4aTCeezd+Mp40a UlNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMYx3EZFBimgqbkIq6j3PDW1C8xEWg9nWnVadvB+heqlyt1A1xQhHbJNMnpwGDSiF7zUcwSK9VDmWEyuw== X-Received: by 10.194.18.202 with SMTP id y10mr8045451wjd.174.1473946178056; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.178.33 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.80.178.33 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:29:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: RW Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:29:39 -0000 On 15 Sep 2016 14:09, "RW via freebsd-questions" < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:36:04 +0100 > Shamim Shahriar wrote: > > > On 15 Sep 2016 00:39, "Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions" < > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:54 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions > > > wrote: > > > >IIRC with 4 GiB RAM you can have up to 16 GiB of swap, so you could > > > >support up to about 19 GiB of tmpfs if you want. > > > > > > Ok, but I guess than tmpfs could use the whole memory and cause > > > issues with other software running at the same time. It would be > > > nice, if here would be a possibility to assign 3 GiB of 4 GiB to > > > tmpfs and if the 3 GiB are reached swap should be used. Perhaps it > > > does exist, I might be just to lazy to find out. > > > > > > > Yes it does, and yes you are :P > > man fstab > > There's no such thing, you can specify the maximum size of a tmpfs, > but not how much is kept in RAM. It doesn't matter though, because the > VM system will handle it better than a simple limit. > I might be mistaken here, but from man tmpfs *size* Specifies the total file system size in bytes. If zero (the default) or a value larger than SIZE_MAX - PAGE_SIZE is given, the available amount of memory (including main memory and swap space) will be used. My understanding, which might be wrong, is that as long as your size of tmpfs is smaller than ram, it is kept on the ram. Swap is only used when your tmpfs exceeds the available physical ram. Corrections appreciated. Thanks and regards. _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:45:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4125CBDBCBA for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FA036B2 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u8E4imdL035976; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:44:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) From: Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: 11.0-RC2 defaultrouter not working with wifi+wpa+static ip To: Antonio Vieiro , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: Message-ID: <6e325665-5eb2-9c6a-a9fa-cd89798fb265@bananmonarki.se> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:44:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:25 -0000 On 2016-09-02 11:46, Antonio Vieiro wrote: >> El 2 sept 2016, a las 0:39, Ben Woods escribió: >> >> Not sure about your defaultrouter issue, but as for this after note regarding wireless adapters not displaying in ifconfig before their wlan cloned device is created, this is the expected behaviour in FreeBSD 11. >> >> It was changed with commit r287197: >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=287197 > Maybe this is the problem. If I run > > service routing restart > > after boot I do get the defaultrouter set correctly on the wlan interface. > > Maybe there should be a way to rerun /etc/rc.d/routing after wpa_supplicant stablishes a connection, but I don’t know how to do that. > > I also tried setting defaultroute_delay to 30 without success. > > Thanks anyway, > Antonio > Have a look at /etc/rc.d/netwait. Don't know if that is worth a try. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:45:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05FFBDBCBD; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1F566B3; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u8DHZ51j034009; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:35:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: Ben Woods , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org References: From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <314bafcd-2e19-9eeb-8f09-ddc3b6cd91bb@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:35:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:26 -0000 On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > apple website doesn't display correctly? > http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 > What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:45:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA87ABDBD0B for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+12001@bounce.crsend.com) Received: from mx009.de-mx.crsend.com (mx009.de-mx.crsend.com [178.77.121.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8216875A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+12001@bounce.crsend.com) Received: from localhost (cron-eu.crsend.com [178.77.121.134]) by mx009.de-mx.crsend.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E2C2D6D26 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.6.8 mx009.de-mx.crsend.com C3E2C2D6D26 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=crsend.com; s=mail; t=1473946261; r=y; bh=5v8vI7neNoc5b/xM08tBhnrXHZOjWm2e2mHhGcIcBUY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:List-Unsubscribe:Content-Type: From; b=f/lVGS7XJ6K6AAP3PAtBpaeYzOyj81c9mXP0wwvYvfMEuWXxdsgXYsbAa0MSWMtQp oabOAixtQVSs3ngmMu8Gq9EcBz+HJxPzMHugmc6X74PAhynJlkfkURKxMpzI0gKTow 2I04W0u3ml9DJ99LStp2HW70hMyqMkE2Oi4ihUG4= Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:31:03 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Fotopica Hamburg Subject: Ihre Preisliste mit gesenkten Preisen Message-ID: <2a55b4d652dea76df1bc90aa8f06c8bb@localhost> X-client: 12001 X-mailing: 10598348 X-customer: 37386 X-email: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-CSA-Complaints: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:45:40 -0000 SWhyIEUtTWFpbCBQcm9ncmFtbSB1bnRlcnN0dWV0enQgbGVpZGVyIGtlaW5lIEhUTUwgRS1NYWls cy4gCgpIaWVyIGZpbmRlbiBTaWUgZGllc2VuIE5ld3NsZXR0ZXIgb25saW5lOgpodHRwOi8vMTIw MDEuc2V1LmNsZXZlcnJlYWNoLmNvbS9tLzEwNTk4MzQ4LzAtZDJkZDM3N2M1YjJiMWViOTk2MDU2 N2NiOWY0ZmY3YzgKCg== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:52:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50107BDB0C6 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19357F7A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bkX5W-0003fy-Cv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:52:26 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bkX5s-0000NZ-Th for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:52:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:52:23 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-Id: <20160915145223.1539a56e0f8ae601a914340d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:52:35 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:29:37 +0100 Shamim Shahriar wrote: > I might be mistaken here, but from man tmpfs > > *size* Specifies the total file system size in bytes. If zero (the > default) or a value larger than SIZE_MAX - PAGE_SIZE is given, the > available amount of memory (including main memory and swap space) will be > used. > > My understanding, which might be wrong, is that as long as your size of > tmpfs is smaller than ram, it is kept on the ram. Swap is only used when > your tmpfs exceeds the available physical ram. Nope tmpfs is just another user of RAM and will be swapped according to memory pressure just like any other user of RAM - IOW if you have a tmpfs half the size of your memory that isn't too busy and processes keeping most of your memory busy then likely you'll find tmpfs data swapped out. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 13:55:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EE7BDB180 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:55:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm13-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EBD6109 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473947575; bh=4BdBmt0/ysmBHvKPK4ImuUJuIJ+aQ/B8rYDOasXOCdw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=rQxYnZ1PWVfBQet//k7wLB9hpDh5jTU/ooltQPtZA/KeAgTjAELEU8UGyy6TFUJg5Nn1l5iOoHsivwe3+kBnXEhpkB6yrFmMgONNf7KC5qukbZcWJkisXOzmkgNl0W2zupUbdMcVjGIP8SOWaFU0VHxj5dvcFb/129cwtO6zpc5eoAQ2UfW5BOuLtHhrM7SFh9dub249I+4Qi1+2kcBbqI9xiTcmZLMTD696LDvW+zZLs/KEWVfzJ9qlp9y92TJV/U4/oqNhGJ7OosZ8rZH1BN6ejH7o9eVF04XDsHNIEvuZNnTqOMs6pDPtTVhY5YB1XrPzuqtImVsuUWb8NaZ9Vg== Received: from [212.82.98.57] by nm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 13:52:55 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.70] by tm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 13:52:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 13:52:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 376000.92274.bm@smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: T13TxVgVM1nLrWd985I1I9Eoj8IY2SYUxSVWlMyyGxaLoM2 AYh2Dp540ArgpZ0yH_sAORth5fy2BAFIwQy2d81bSts0ESVJlAaKoO8_lRGa T3suoD3pd4dYsQpyGzcFqQurWTqlsNmDEADG4M0ELZ7kRDRONAblLOG6kLL7 o9XCuG3kP.qsifkdDeBEGwTszCySB6b41YDHYzEVtPlXwHbaox.gK2RcA3Yw 1AaIvkqp45WCEffTBSR1Kx5ALHKJ0AXReL6mx3gdxrk1Yq_Ll44YiNsMo.ck Z_4VEzpGxw8BLieKtFTPWnkpwtnby5t9fb2OmAqH.EKZ77WH0AUh0gy7FBQA 3z7vjxjwy.0Qx3iLOObc4vGfpct88Upugow4hEVzLUjMOoa9MaaFC2iGqRTv W5qchJ9g.meB1lyGScEe_CNgK49otafkiPGA.hEkgYFOUMOCfMMIeqhyGwHA SHLDO1bV7lVbT60W1vKaVxFjNjNtmoPnH2zypAluexwIjt79Rvb0_JyoCXhq YTwCDLejccAiR.0IQ115Hl8qU2zZtGjc3uwsVpeCSrMINW46LGSmLVXWX8.n 0sdlYhNz1Z4qHIHcp3LfW89.gkI.c X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:52:54 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:55:04 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:08:56 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >There's no such thing, you can specify the maximum size of a tmpfs, >but not how much is kept in RAM. It doesn't matter though, because the >VM system will handle it better than a simple limit. That might be true, but not necessarily is true. If the handling would be that good, then I wonder why on Linux the default without an fstab entry usually is half of the RAM and not the complete RAM. The handling might or might not be better on FreeBSD. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 14:17:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B999BDB855 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm29-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm29-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08466221 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473948850; bh=b4Z0hXTftkuDUZqNihyyWKKoLZ3FNIHrOQBI13iQ0FQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=La+WmZ5l94tA3c9xpfOX4eah72WS3WxVgwIAS3zC2gzHB9SfJnWPsdAHnLCYrzz8ZsNiKKiblRsmYnOmvHuArviChEl6E4FoFt/DQP0v+JCtuC0uHMyOYhW9b8tA/stT+vty22VWDYNWGicWr/WvGZ38OIKX+gTV4f+tAgtraVLrGz7XTse6AizYoXIhDW5f4bggVz5RnM0WCUHsyYBgpHOU0Q3qFo0NgPkBC4WYiZmyvY8Rxruw8alq3k3HDGu4/+cydDwTJZv0gLF4uGdFJ5CUSgkcIVF3Kd4dnPvdJC0Y+mpVlZmAu08ZHY9g0SVV6dKyWath4DWvbwBdeskMzA== Received: from [212.82.98.127] by nm29.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 14:14:10 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.91] by tm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 14:14:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 14:14:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887393.45447.bm@smtp128.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wB4uqtEVM1lSEmZY3LLrWfpdPsrDIblL61Y3VwAwOvVSCAb 3qV2_xVqWxpg8bO8JrJ7Db87eNnW0iX_HTiYj6TrnMj7unVNFNJ1P6X_0Tny qj7b422zXCl9FqAvUxQrZeWZFYdgQ_ORPmoZcssIhJwB0l8Zt3DtHPYMF2tS uFmA7vHxSd_eZSkCwDqmQ_4Ht3etP4JFkq.DHF3tue8srxpANTxeiLTFI_mt ECTbMr7KxBfzBF62kHp_a4s5DZlUGA7NDIxsxmI92elSds7z_ogIde0lGxx0 uqVkVXbS7OJ5yK3etvu213X.F8rDzlFYCBuqF2a_8iCPQmCdHncQXwRDA.Kb QE.G38myD5PqTZ.0Ar6QsTvLcx1Fo7SdHXkt4zoIht_wS5rzg0aiGDMkLcZy FgPpomvBO.rFhMlSZhIlBbFLOa7KXzrXlNZsDJh2iQwJzNfk3dXm4wcSZHlr w3I89gSdhYyB0Fnp0zHJ0mZegmTQY.0XWzwn5MpN2R22XS0oHpp_94AzqGle m3ehecvdpf.7Al6z0EeyYD.FZ_DqGXp10DiKqfHT5Ke4.IMLJupoduJ2cTRK 7R_fCTDj1o93SHTN7oTn2MVu7_ZrO X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:14:10 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915161410.37d74842@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160915145223.1539a56e0f8ae601a914340d@sohara.org> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915145223.1539a56e0f8ae601a914340d@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:17:38 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:52:23 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >IOW if you have a tmpfs half the size of your memory that isn't too >busy and processes keeping most of your memory busy then likely you'll >find tmpfs data swapped out. Ok, so this works on FreeBSD. However, on Linux the swap is not used if the size is half of the RAM and I wonder how it is handled by other operating systems that are or at least are similar as UNIX/POSIX alike systems. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 14:20:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743C9BDB927 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp205.alice.it (smtp205.alice.it [82.57.200.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8C2369 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (62.211.162.64) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.28) (authenticated as acanedi@alice.it) id 57D7C4E80083A0CD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:20:11 +0200 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u8FEK8pj090073 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:20:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> <20160914113759.7af2759b@archlinux.localdomain> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:20:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160914113759.7af2759b@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:20:22 -0000 On 09/14/16 11:37, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:35:42 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> Can you provide a pointer? >> Thanks. > > Yes, get in contact with WD support, they could explain you the whole > situation. I think we have a misunderstaning here: I'd be happy to see a pointer to the EU regulation you mention. TIA >> As I said, I had disabled spin down. > > Can you provide a pointer? > http://serverfault.com/questions/242891/disable-caviar-green-drives-spinning-down#338875 > Thanks, since it's very unlikely, most likely is that you just increased > the time, before the drive goes to sleep, but you still run gvfs and/or > KDE apps such as K3b and or smartd and/or you are using udisks or > similar to mounted instead of mounting by CLI or e.g. using rodent > and/or you used libfm, before the bug was fixed, > https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02ed5998b > etc.. This was on a server: not even X11. > I don't want to discuss this anymore. Fine. > Apart from this, if a green drive is unwanted, then don't use one. That's the whole point: I was just suggesting Thomas to avoid them; he can decide. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 15:10:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DD6BDB8EF for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 885C6A84 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h127so41841157lfh.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MYnhrMF8g+JFZRtkWayLqYf7CGZoOw3O4xk08LTLDnI=; b=NUpsowhqDNdEgP3iYXI7d2Q9l7xDsYAiaFFnuA2f3DLx9dLIOlGEyNWoZca/yq1zQQ PsQolzjw6F8+/h10lVfzYfLslAHqltCdJ/zhBdctD7k+EkYwysUMkCpV3p2hZNHxsp1I ZQWAX/GcWVgfFp5D5SmMq5KLF/XdkWhaqc7Ccff6M7ml/2gBil9yPMYzGAc3+ozmb0fJ OpMi2Fc97DmxtnzsHgK+u0MUf96rbX/IdBRrWmC3W9LFTDXjXkUMjxuPTLITYoL+Dc6Q UiaRvu1VCwfupqSZe+oew8ePYh5HMZutz4Fe1ukjqE6sqreOk9OfaCwKvUU5MzT1ngEe So0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MYnhrMF8g+JFZRtkWayLqYf7CGZoOw3O4xk08LTLDnI=; b=S1zYskAAE2K44000okWsEACcy+UPYfBqqLMCrZGAUgJz0NVO7dBSdDsyK/XCEXN/BY LJpV13xX9WZuLyF/Mt7+RyZobiAfovjybSteKtKXBI+VtJMzZIYa45YHHfIGoaHCbbod 8Oax12oYaaotHOopHF2DNqMvOqk6QqmypxHCWKc1/NFdk5SVszk4U56pYqb9S76uPciK mHwKkSdBjfsrwUNqwM2ieWnBoN1NerYQPLUI7LHa2D5Bzud6tYAsRu10pUYo7BCVhtQV uw86c1IBX8pHYJdfI0IS60ooPmXzK5Sb0sBw5uBsk8ljiZxu1NtIu9qgbMIQLMaLlJmv IG7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwP3BK/S6BYoZN7gPVIuJKICWBUbsopbCL0Wa9qfPErZg83TRUWvusD4ys6g5kANyg== X-Received: by 10.28.91.11 with SMTP id p11mr3545670wmb.98.1473952239193; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm2876253wmg.16.2016.09.15.08.10.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:10:26 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:10:42 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:52:54 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:08:56 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > >There's no such thing, you can specify the maximum size of a tmpfs, > >but not how much is kept in RAM. It doesn't matter though, because > >the VM system will handle it better than a simple limit. > > That might be true, but not necessarily is true. It is if you're using UFS and set a sensible tmpfs limit. ZFS does complicate this because it's not well integrated into VM, and I think it still has some problems with swap. > If the handling would > be that good, then I wonder why on Linux the default without an fstab > entry usually is half of the RAM and not the complete RAM. That default doesn't take account of swap, and in the absence of swap you cannot use 100% of the RAM for tmpfs. The important thing is that everything that can't (or shouldn't) be discarded has to fit into swap+ram. Most desktops/workstations have much more memory than they need, in which case you can safely allocate swap plus most of the ram to tmpfs, if you want to. 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Message-ID: <20160915171547.22066814@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> <0d1b8dba-3292-9991-ea7d-f160c25090c8@netfence.it> <20160914051806.297c0c3f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914062154.7cbea049@archlinux.localdomain> <44d5e0cd-e675-c789-9ee8-1802ed16017a@netfence.it> <20160914113759.7af2759b@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:18:03 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:20:08 +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >I think we have a misunderstaning here: I'd be happy to see a pointer >to the EU regulation you mention. Yes and I'm not willing to search it. I'm not a lawyer and reading all those EU texts takes a lot of time. The WD support should have the Regulation text at hand, since I've got the info from WD myself. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 15:27:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ABDBDBF59 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DA0E949 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473953087; bh=5O26wLXs1j8TrcqCVf0nsv3lJ4NTuGd04x8Bglme6bc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=fSuPkEAvXtMi63iO1gStN95TRkHvHYIRRqOMG1d0y6twf7QpT8CmUK+hTcu0uabkX649UEzkIjGU62kXj6zaf6fWQ8nOAyZHepjYZzKT40+9mwjwPhUqwFVheje9XcYsfw4ANpkTYPoZWs4jjejm5D4amPPI0r1b22ej+Ijm1f0+MDpSHzkcAj82exIGi6eVWtbCNlFPwJ6vbKZfFC9BpkAWcaXzbMK4oNs95xY07kG4I/IJfy+4U8zfVKlcsv1HcZM0gqp0i6LySH+D7q0UFed9V26lWJnQcxn9NAxQMlhiqgRV3Ca8aK9EPpjsYB0a6u5t33U0U+tZJ6YBXv8N/g== Received: from [212.82.98.60] by nm20.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 15:24:47 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.74] by tm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 15:24:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2016 15:24:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 43495.18494.bm@smtp111.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cXSc3d4VM1kNgk5rWl.d0kUoQBOxO7uTAGBEoX9gtyJ3_Nw JNb5zmaAoHAVL5x9ok1Gz9b5jeXkMhKfhMHIMn6KfoydCAgAILiQDZlVCmbt z.I7LkMvHF2I1FwV5uZujNhVAtZaBysysKKspFEwUSqR8yaAQG3iwAzvJ4hL icW3UdXp6V0xOKJSGpkjFOmK7FNqB5XSdYGCekj52KvSf48pOkteVAQDZ9bB ZrdE4ImGMNffYuTSUD4syShIGUc104185Bl.LjDqIdeL5btHuFqilc9a0Crn S2IKawoZ8z5USHOvnDzjN1FutXDymN45o8j.0IO1XsH9J09uNDq9NBaHtajw of9j.r.67uN57uDvjoqIB95wDzm8bbvfQizDhbgMlBOQv7gzr25eWPTjzjxd ciG0onBImrlXv9VvpowgsvjbCF1BbpyiFxRI5LycYXwLR6CiRzs09L4HDDm6 a3in7N2N78dgXB.FLyrz8LJo8fxHomQsANjQqMbu.5NVAD.wYa74t_OF_JcM uXRLdgKf.ILb6pXnJKnRMP0YuHCEY4dbxIGJNceBNvdW_DpR.7gnp X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:24:46 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915172446.7b018b87@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:27:47 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:10:26 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >The important thing is that everything that can't (or shouldn't) be >discarded has to fit into swap+ram. Most desktops/workstations have >much more memory than they need, in which case you can safely allocate >swap plus most of the ram to tmpfs, if you want to. Ok, I didn't use FreeBSD since a while ago. On my Arch Linux, if the tmpfs is full, swap isn't used, so compiling, resp. building a package fails. However, since the OP worries about hard disk drives and building a lot of software, even if the OP shouldn't have too much RAM, buying new RAM usually isn't that expensive. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 18:08:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8176DBDBEC0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 18:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26232897 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 18:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b187so4066092wme.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:08:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIy+7B1kuOXP3pViR4MdyuYP4M01EiQbydCI6z8uQxs=; b=QoDE5aDzd9+XwpY7l2NEKNDaTOj+ceFNitB27Joo3XCxkH/jwhUQsAQaENrnvgw8c5 7GhFtURa1TV6g+ah8CfLoJ3tEG3RvUKSZZE3CrMc6R+dFXlBogP72qr+U6we0/XgFXob k63eW6amNAjq9ehoFNGWIk4tSfFupk5XR9le1IFsUI0SQjVBnxnAHxJaXiNENtJi5t3Z YLXI5KT7rzxHKvc0zzD7hlC9SZ7rXD+Jaxmtpy67goGHcASsnAvW+nf2+7pMLxlt/D0m ue/QihbRxw3t7v24rNbISZKpWPrA+qPo/DilGGbQtBscVBhbyvVv/ggoDJrALMLPIA5W 3vbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIy+7B1kuOXP3pViR4MdyuYP4M01EiQbydCI6z8uQxs=; b=IT0Qwko3jAyCrgtcGqEvv3mAxNArCdoVCY9So61jcTkPV4wqEKp4eJ3vLxC0tMyjwU CXSKd9AspNACUJCYQiKICK73ZOUCba77YJ/v1DDXKqscY/Dk8GfwhMysTKLxxFpEYtIA /CCj4vKFAO+kEznwQqaZybyxrvZsgC45MJ1oQqnVuN1HLm0k+KyJ7h9c1H8f850KTheK fkPyAyy3BAU76JEHaMLMfXmL6WdGGuZnyEYKhuxLoah1wfwIVzhWgWSESI8h1ehFmQZq cw3OC8D6exzBx0XlG6TA/4/tpmD15xcdA7ebCGWh36THtfG0tjQ97+oqtNPlslxLDZEv fJpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOCxubIXr5cLrxsqAvov81YCGypQb6CwsCu45CJkFjKBxvvcU92e+3VhyUYpan3RA== X-Received: by 10.28.174.11 with SMTP id x11mr4270539wme.41.1473962898064; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b128sm3526159wmb.21.2016.09.15.11.08.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:08:14 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160915190814.346f753d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20160915172446.7b018b87@archlinux.localdomain> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915172446.7b018b87@archlinux.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 18:08:20 -0000 On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:24:46 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:10:26 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > >The important thing is that everything that can't (or shouldn't) be > >discarded has to fit into swap+ram. Most desktops/workstations have > >much more memory than they need, in which case you can safely > >allocate swap plus most of the ram to tmpfs, if you want to. > > Ok, I didn't use FreeBSD since a while ago. On my Arch Linux, if the > tmpfs is full, swap isn't used ... I don't know why your particular system didn't swap, but that's not true in general, e.g.: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt "tmpfs puts everything into the kernel internal caches and grows and shrinks to accommodate the files it contains and is able to swap unneeded pages out to swap space." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 19:11:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B933BDB084 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg.marsh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 101E53B2 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg.marsh@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 15so6959107ita.1 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=LEFag5bT1NarEjiC0L4sXlP2z2WnRuEYDY+PF8IyERw=; b=rzY46zPc6NWPQeo/9qxwAZSRG0LV+WWvOZcElaLB8Wvb65h8dZIc08VtarUygcMk+r 8yh1R8ojRwewA6NEt6SqS/8IDfqMtRI7d9wKKcFMKDlLS05iy046at9Rt4jhgg01OsE0 YtdKZxjxcbeAplbRMZOw7YnvGUToRi/tIBJ6XnaOwuRmEloMoS1/XJau9D1uxm4DFEdp WydoNJYKRfas7Ac0GlfoynEBkXNJezKFKXXDmXXbPc/x26j+LE2Sdpvf0RpqsvA+hgoa qjRMe2qXJJCHpL0+9AwhR4qoKmU3tY9nxrbC75l83YplC2BvbIuC2lEfNc2+W+ppDlVf zJ5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=LEFag5bT1NarEjiC0L4sXlP2z2WnRuEYDY+PF8IyERw=; b=l+AhDuIQ9dz5tGb1uXJ0ZVbIws1TEtNjfFiuqd5r1UTa5Pf8Ir5nZj/HIsyMRiGwBL yx5IokAj6Mj08vBP9O23/+6R1EldJB11A9Ji08wxqHnW2XbLABJmJ0MIRvGiLmcAtObc Z16HZzPq9/R7uJMjF3jgKnhFf/G5Kc4DP+PGROstv7nnRWu+2QoOuzG0zct/V+EXyOBm Ykz/PANcaweTcdd/ssEjDHVl8m9nm4NvmKt3JSWnaTC5wISn90X85HuKhei8e5yYsl2m 5AK3zg/WwxhNSkyBRDDk8EAO3TBnW1hu0enJgheIQyrP/GXmGG3qVs/kodbDpEJ9UnVr k2iA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNau4X+rdA7RSUWkrCxAZZfN0BYklDRd8nJrBjFSuMeEXB3Z3A0+S3j6BWF3XBtbA== X-Received: by 10.36.212.6 with SMTP id x6mr1251479itg.71.1473966688375; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [25.21.118.214] ([24.114.48.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l15sm2225392ioe.14.2016.09.15.12.11.26 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Marsh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:11:25 -0400 References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915172446.7b018b87@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915190814.346f753d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20160915190814.346f753d@gumby.homeunix.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:11:30 -0000 Hi all,=20 I've been reading this thread with joy and interest. I've been enamored with= hard drives ever since a high school teacher gave me a huge textbook to rea= d on how they worked. That was 30 years ago, when interleaving and MFM/RLL w= ere still things.=20 I eventually parlayed that into several storage management/architect jobs.=20= Enough with my background. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this discussion is that if heavy w= orkloads are the concern, why are spindle drives being considered? If SSD is= too much $/GiB, why is it only 1 spindle drive, when one could run a reason= ably quick, hard workload RAID-Z?=20 I don't know what the OP's budget is, but if speed is a priority, I wouldn't= consider any single spindle sata drive, regardless of make. I'd go SSD, kno= wing that it's only going to last me a few years at best. If that's all the t= ime he got out of his single spindle drive, why go back to one? If memory se= rves, modern SSD drives are all triple cell now, unlike the first few genera= tions of consumer SSDs, which were only single cell. My .02 on drive makers, at home I have a 4x2tb WD Red ZFS array, which takes= a licking and keeps on ticking. It's been running 24x7 for 2 years so far. = It's my backup and media streaming system, with a few other jailed systems t= hat are staging/testing before I implement live.=20 I hope that made sense.=20 Have a great day everyone! Cheers, Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2016, at 14:08, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:24:46 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 >>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:10:26 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> The important thing is that everything that can't (or shouldn't) be >>> discarded has to fit into swap+ram. Most desktops/workstations have >>> much more memory than they need, in which case you can safely >>> allocate swap plus most of the ram to tmpfs, if you want to. =20 >>=20 >> Ok, I didn't use FreeBSD since a while ago. On my Arch Linux, if the >> tmpfs is full, swap isn't used ... >=20 > I don't know why your particular system didn't swap, but that's not > true in general, e.g.: >=20 > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt >=20 > "tmpfs puts everything into the kernel internal caches and grows and > shrinks to accommodate the files it contains and is able to swap > unneeded pages out to swap space." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 15 20:24:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56660BDC4C6 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.net) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net (nqhost.drenet.net [184.95.47.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43D2B1E0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andre@drenet.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2510F3ADE2 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nqhost.drenet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nqhost.drenet.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05364-03 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nqhost.drenet.net (Postfix, from userid 80) id C1F8E3ADD7; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:14:52 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Borked system, possible to do a worldbuild via =?UTF-8?Q?USB=3F?= X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcube.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:14:52 -0400 From: Andre Goree Message-ID: X-Sender: andre@drenet.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:24:04 -0000 Hello list. Yesterday I got my long lost home server back on which I was running FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE. I thought the smart thing to do would be to upgrade to 10.3-RELEASE because, what could possible go wrong, right? I'll skip the details, but I'm basically left with an unbootable system, as init cannot even finish before failing with this error: "Init can't exec /bin/sh for /etc/rc: Exec format error" I believe that this is due to my having rebuilt world with erroneous make.conf options, and I'd love to be able to rebuild the world via USB. I've already got my USB handy and will be working on this when I get home, but I wondered if there's a why I can rebuild the world on my server's disk after having booted from the USB? Perhaps, mount the server's disk and chroot into it? Should that work? Thanks in advance! -- Andre Goree -=-=-=-=-=- Email - andre at drenet.net Website - http://www.drenet.net PGP key - http://www.drenet.net/pubkey.txt -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 02:37:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1FBBDC82B for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A3BD834 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id g62so52324281lfe.3 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=GTfUaZPiGkQQaup1mjzqrWiWymE2MjeWQoB/qOpW/SQ=; b=BSBhxKjZxGxIJJc+c8HXpwUFPGGXSVC1TN33AH+oQXKCqcO6BV3mgg0N8rHhzX/2RE mimkKrpOUumOjPAS+rkGF7Ezbt3mSTVrZkY1acxSprJKMh9hmwQXAlcsZyfMyJB/wsEc PgP3ZxpZIUjKvfC5QuXVFupGrfRDI+vbTOq1ENbVHczE6hLjon4P8EEKsnGpp7LvGibB f4b+xZ+GevIv/BYeYdx+eXD9NZzV8cij29EUbuoPcRmxvvCSdWY7XenfPoqFSD7ohzba 3j1HjtOWpsGAVo959MltvXGDYTHBLJfhjUM0w4Zmvaask8u9xabSZze9SRasMiHSRw6w R7Kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=GTfUaZPiGkQQaup1mjzqrWiWymE2MjeWQoB/qOpW/SQ=; b=eCTLy5O3OHHDxTFQycjC7L+W8dI3VniC6ceQSkCp69Tx2XhmHBLwg0l6nCcALJ264w kphBvnWdprYUSTu3Tl9WJE+LNBo/MpoJ3LA3QEki4coCjXrYykatUBNF+KlSQaobQycL c+nmjC9FXjG6sV0aUbJsWAvPLVMNnOkCehLzkBkoc3sAOmUYQOqGKprdxpPhLOeuGxcn 71q48qIBpDuhJFW0vLzQJY0MDHDIauwaRkEisfajWazs7FQUW1bMgTzLyOmMZieg9d0V eY8z7czvF6GsplcuJIGke46SrvAFDQLhvmpIoIDUHVn1De3btNIZLqSa9EAM4Mj9L6UW GkAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNKHJl2Cvx3zTFsOh2b5dFAcXZzRrCZ76MJNoZPLEWnxBVC2snU7LTlb+ZNcvVsu4kvNhK/hpFnXvAxZg== X-Received: by 10.46.71.144 with SMTP id u138mr4766611lja.20.1473993424587; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:37:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.34.12 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:37:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> <20160914120349.76a015cd@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160914175449.185d12b0@archlinux.localdomain> <20160914221954.00fb1d56@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915013848.5564c238@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915140856.24af27ca@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915155254.768f6f70@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915161026.62dffff7@gumby.homeunix.com> <20160915172446.7b018b87@archlinux.localdomain> <20160915190814.346f753d@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Olivier Nicole Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:37:03 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 02:37:07 -0000 Hi, I have been reading the thread and have some concerns. My backup machine uses some recent, consumer grade, disks (it's better than tapes anyway). How can I detect if a disk is effectively stopped or not? I have found the command catcontrol cmd ada0 -a "E5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00" -r - but how to know it is reporting the state of the drive and not the state the driver assumes the drive to be? TIA, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 03:39:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63936BDB66D for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F3C630E for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id r126so97280425oib.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e/cPJJOxv6LQtEPy1/mTogkIMsV+2+rbiiA1mOZ8p40=; b=suQR4FVCOarWjaNM8zZVT6eZBGaQCIYwADm4gLcGe2x+vQL+Qcft304UcpBxDnathG MgkAzgsZVrUD2Xro6Tcqq50b8iX6AZVHdru3XE/xxLtXLYr2ci5MFc6AVAQiLRUvKFlJ VN41XalN5XkYmQq5UAPBVNKJQoaoUrTzLHixKfZW1EDIZ58WncSBqK38JMc7blV8sWeM DQ5fBjW6TtCHyr+9LDyHcXJdfS4CypEuCg+tTT0n7uqhyziVF087GZ/UtvJyGLRojlGq M/w919RgMsnaWyY4JGrGzpoNfH/q+bSTBZXbHhdLNznJxlOWZ/6bm4XXGu62svclkO3V wE+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e/cPJJOxv6LQtEPy1/mTogkIMsV+2+rbiiA1mOZ8p40=; b=akQNiJTHFt0OVAQr7Tk01UL4n3Yq6dr2cKrULglx52q/KLNtc1CgHTFHoerRPvVzis fl7ljL+YuG8XTxPKV+2wLHib7/R2c4NFprm/Tkz9mjKLfSmu8zZbe+0xDkWl7VA77Mn0 f7MyBkYTQ0sEDyfmW/khHozgv8vzFxUqRTI+F2i0IBLJh3tUzSYbxpN8DLtdYyAHV/4h 54nxEwYc0twtYH/mFWYi8RqcNUeYkDw58dgojY5S0tWC4PLD7NhWfIcoH/gKi327kxdW tqnh6cvhS65448V1om+o+3/bgr0EjKRUyhPE8IRM56758k9QJyXlPddElAs/Cxi36D56 TSig== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOVoIJHJzDGm1WEsupzjSOKIBuXmA6TfB++Bidozwk9dVOJ+h+rTN7/b1lobd5XMGGFFKnfJdrrh23dmg== X-Received: by 10.202.221.138 with SMTP id u132mr4512542oig.120.1473997176062; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:39:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.216.8 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:39:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <906bdfcd-4007-e7e7-452a-81ffbdcef4b9@parts-unknown.org> <0fe700f7-37ae-46bc-83f6-b80408d6e808@phess.net> <54f5f8a1-b0fe-db91-55d8-d10d9223a9a9@parts-unknown.org> From: Amitabh Kant Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:09:15 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: phpinfo taking way too long, probably hanging To: David Benfell Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:39:37 -0000 That is a whole lot of extensions. Not sure where to start here. Maybe geoip.so would a good candidate to start with. Beyond that, you will have to experiment. Maybe you can start off with slicing the extensions into two parts, loading the first half for one iteration and the second half for second iteration. This would narrow it down. You can continue splitting it, till you find the problematic extension. Amitabh On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, David Benfell wrote: > On 09/14/2016 09:23 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > > Yes, it produces the same output. > > > > How is PHP being called by the web server? What are the extensions loaded > > by default? > This would be apache 2.4 from the port, currently apache24-2.4.23_1 > working with mod_php (I've tried but never succeeded in getting php-fpm > to work with apache). As to the modules, I'm loading most of them > because it's hard to tell which ones I don't need. I think I'm loading > all of the following: > > apcu.so > bcmath.so > bz2.so > calendar.so > ctype.so > curl.so > dom.so > exif.so > fileinfo.so > filter.so > ftp.so > gd.so > geoip.so > gettext.so > gmp.so > hash.so > iconv.so > igbinary.so > imagick.so > imap.so > intl.so > json.so > ldap.so > mbstring.so > mcrypt.so > memcache.so > memcached.so > mssql.so > mysql.so > mysqli.so > odbc.so > openssl.so > pam.so > pcntl.so > pdf.so > pdo.so > pdo_dblib.so > pdo_mysql.so > pdo_odbc.so > pdo_pgsql.so > pdo_sqlite.so > pgsql.so > phar.so > posix.so > pspell.so > readline.so > session.so > shmop.so > simplexml.so > soap.so > sockets.so > sqlite3.so > sybase_ct.so > sysvmsg.so > sysvsem.so > sysvshm.so > tokenizer.so > twig.so > uploadprogress.so > wddx.so > xml.so > xmlreader.so > xmlrpc.so > xmlwriter.so > xsl.so > zip.so > zlib.so > > Thanks! > > > > Amitabh > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Benfell < > benfell@parts-unknown.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Amitabh, > >> > >> On 09/14/2016 08:52 PM, Amitabh Kant wrote: > >>> Hi David > >>> > >>> Does "php -i" command also hang on terminal? > >> No, and is this supposed to be the same or similar output as phpinfo()? > >> (Based on rather hazy memory and a loose interpretation both of the > >> output and the man page, it sorta kinda looks like it.) It produced > >> quite a lot of output within a very few seconds. > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 04:58:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B900BDC029; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@merenbach.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2B49816; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@merenbach.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AACF3FA75; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 00:58:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=mime-version :references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-type; s=sasl; bh=RJJtRwtrwF8QL8BuCv37A0MOm2c=; b=TIdMWi GwgUc7jxJAoYxaKTt9WH7e3fiKrmh9CV699IipQBrnbgLy5NwAeivh/jBLcpTdLu jcqnODkrc28CaE6TkvFnMy0sTShURvMlbJQ53Z7dEAP1h6zdOx/XdzdL78Gpn1R3 GoFNFxsSHEaZyCSXmUs5OucIM8ZYwzNX9BkSY= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AE93FA74; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 00:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-vk0-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.213.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED9223FA70; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 00:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-vk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id g9so10347577vkg.1; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMWEsLXZVLyb5Pzzk6hss6sCC3gYydozAqloBnPfAH3cQR5SxwGLyqhwg1h8Wcw69pxdJUsDq8rbgfhuA== X-Received: by 10.31.92.212 with SMTP id q203mr1444882vkb.164.1474001880621; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:58:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <314bafcd-2e19-9eeb-8f09-ddc3b6cd91bb@bananmonarki.se> <20160914063727.4d01f82d8f1dd5ce2db9df25@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20160914063727.4d01f82d8f1dd5ce2db9df25@sohara.org> From: Andrew Merenbach Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:57:50 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Ben Woods Cc: "freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Bernt Hansson X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 253E6FD6-7BCA-11E6-9A6C-5D827B1B28F4-44869218!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:58:10 -0000 Any chance this is some sort of ad-blocker or privacy-management extension (HTTPS Everywhere, NoScript, AdBlock [Plus], uBlock [Origin], ClickToFlash, etc., etc.), /etc/hosts adblocking, or Privoxy affecting either/both browsers? Data points for your benefit: meanwhile, on my 2015 MacBook, the site is loading fine in both Chrome (52.0.2473.116, 64-bit) and Firefox (47.0 and 48.0.2). Best, Andrew On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:56 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:02:39 +0800 > Ben Woods wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, Bernt Hansson > > wrote: > > > > > On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > > >> > > >> Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > > >> apple website doesn't display correctly? > > >> http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 > > >> > > >> What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? > > > > > > > Let's just say that on my FreeBSD system with Firefox it is missing a > > large chunk of the website content at the top of the page which is > > visible if I visit it on a Windows computer with Firefox. It is > > particularly noticeable, since the missing part is the section that > > allows you to buy a new iPhone. > > Chromium on FreeBSD has a big white space at the top of that page > too. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 06:45:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE13BDBC42 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF52EBC for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from [74.134.208.22] ([74.134.208.22:32318] helo=localhost) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C9/FA-06320-0B49BD75; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:44:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:43:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked system, possible to do a worldbuild via USB? References: X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.142:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=GcWZnGnL c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:117 a=hxOSdOxVbJ2KxeBOUIwjAg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=ytF-oA5QydZplN8dum4A:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:45:09 -0000 > Hello list. Yesterday I got my long lost home server back on which I was > running FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE. I thought the smart thing to do would be to > upgrade to 10.3-RELEASE because, what could possible go wrong, right? I'll > skip the details, but I'm basically left with an unbootable system, as init > cannot even finish before failing with this error: > "Init can't exec /bin/sh for /etc/rc: Exec format error" > I believe that this is due to my having rebuilt world with erroneous make.conf > options, and I'd love to be able to rebuild the world via USB. > I've already got my USB handy and will be working on this when I get home, but > I wondered if there's a why I can rebuild the world on my server's disk after > having booted from the USB? Perhaps, mount the server's disk and chroot into > it? Should that work? Thanks in advance! > Andre Goree If you have the comp set, you can build or rebuild FreeBSD from USB. Better to have the source tree and compiling work directory tree (MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX) on the hard drive than on a USB stick if possible. I have built both NetBSD and FreeBSD from USB-stick installations. I didn't chroot. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 06:59:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CC9BDC043 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristiano.deana@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D35588CB for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristiano.deana@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l132so20604810wmf.0 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 23:59:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fIOLlXxcfX9iA//snJeTBZn2/nmxdM/yBQezQ5H9xsQ=; b=lBgqG7FY7F3AAT6kPJGWIV4+UK19oUnBzLvS2Td0IH04xexPPCzahfhosxAPJncTrt elAoHFSePwI2l6bPcZAx2Pi9fYLuFJSaOGCH6nx3wl0qPW9yn6UfIP/w3BdL/Ifw157w 0/eB7ZgrOe4aaFUhG7xDfSqNmeL8MsDTZg+hwZCxEW7stdFrRrGvTvUZl7tuHtuzM64E MHWOLFYqj/F18IcQLjSJYIxJ9BCaHeCz0+8BwaX8MG86f90z39NnIgdRgo7UMCFsMYoV XWSGthl/d+5QoVav8h/yOQocqy5sOn3OQdmQkSJ97jDfFw1/eqAmuzyv3Bl7dc18rzNG l63A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fIOLlXxcfX9iA//snJeTBZn2/nmxdM/yBQezQ5H9xsQ=; b=gardPlwSKDLnO1gzTKTIrA+3hjryDc73b8R/SNObVLxOJ0c6ZWS+xliFnA0DAgpqSd Hp4vy9ZWBVn8M+K2HhldDMzLgLWEnQyjzJH0UrwbVJ5qi1znhwt2PIrbenkwX6REZqup s9UX9aw2MfpheXb6c3ZbSHRmaFsRsgkuJ9N+eC9hfeDkqS6cqOfxvTqI/AvGDOQercj/ vomWPCFagic+JGrKjxd5l6azh3Xk3hi4gVInN/fTL1eo5sAepWj7oqy65um7HeVfzLXP RGM3SRNaw71LnXvW8WW4ncbUh3avHFfefzHrOagWvMjxiZ1ivFyZXJxf7peaIF+0WTKr z8Dg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMVZMogHcTFslGUXJ03dPoSTiS3eONB3uJ4nEKcqqE+4FV4rIps3lSIwj59Ip2endwa8YxkZVFm+90ORw== X-Received: by 10.28.86.8 with SMTP id k8mr6229596wmb.33.1474009183256; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 23:59:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.200.136 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 23:59:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Cristiano Deana Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Borked system, possible to do a worldbuild via USB? To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:59:45 -0000 On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Andre Goree wrote: > but I'm basically left with an unbootable system, as init cannot even finish Did you try use /rescue/ binaries? -- Cris, member of G.U.F.I Italian FreeBSD User Group http://www.gufi.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 12:12:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B481BDBD08 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-188.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46951298 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.local (localhost [10.9.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u8GC8JTf071899 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Sep 2016 07:08:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.dweimer.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u8GC8Jn8071898; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 07:08:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.dweimer.local: www set sender to dweimer@dweimer.net using -f To: FreeBSD Questions , woodsb02@gmail.com Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 07:08:19 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:12:22 -0000 On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following >> apple website doesn't display correctly? >> http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 >> >> What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? > Let's just say that on my FreeBSD system with Firefox it is missing a large chunk of the website content at the top of the page which is visible if I visit it on a Windows computer with Firefox. It is particularly noticeable, since the missing part is the section that allows you to buy a new iPhone. Regards, Ben Looks fine to me on my FreeBSD 11.0rc2 build I have running in a VM. There is a screenshot here: https://pydio.dweimer.net/data/public/5ed2b9 -- Thanks, Dean E. 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[97.116.17.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v7sm3651244ita.9.2016.09.16.14.18.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <4bd29396-220a-e198-73b9-0de91b74d096@FreeBSD.org> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 10.3 zpool/var canmount = off? In-reply-to: <4bd29396-220a-e198-73b9-0de91b74d096@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <86d1k3tufs.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:18:40 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > The point of having zroot/var (with canmount=off) that just acts as a > placeholder is so that eg. zroot/var/log or zroot/var/tmp (which you'll > see have 'canmount=on') get mounted in the right location in the file > system without becoming part of any boot environment. That means > there's only one copy of those filesystems and it always gets mounted > every time you reboot -- which is really what you want for eg. /var/log > but not correct for boot environments in general. Usually you'll have > several available, but only one of them should be mounted and active. Matthew covered all the big stuff, but the ability to create dataset trees with non-hierarchical mountpoints, or an unmounted dataset as the root of a dataset tree, is actually a very useful administration trick. Boot environments are one example, but it also lets you manage and easily roll back all parts of a system that are related to each other, but the files for which are stored in different parts of the filesystem. You could, for example, create a dataset tree for every component of an Apache or Nginx configuration. I have a tree of filesystems for everything related to ports/packages except distfiles, so I can roll everything back in lock-step if an upgrade goes bad while avoiding having to download everything again. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 16 23:06:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E792BDD4F6 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9DF81C3A for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id r192so27389564ita.0 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=I+2TaOPolM2bHDQvysCdc//PiQFFDzJuybdyLv9L6ZU=; b=pfVxrUiDTfTaiFBqp3D70zRs9zfUYfV6WJSw1xDfyGNWB2DkKiWeYY2oFwriAU3WbN q1PMg5ZAKVSXd2zGIYnWnw1E4lqMkpApwYNkqy/3niJZ2kwfnxpkbmPUczUceDLNODvn 1kpXdxLwhVYtzPSAT9dRHvHEHBNhbAJ2fpgzDLUhE5Nrt5wCAfz2zS3EvRW8LfopcIqi MeTvRMEAchyxGYOH2GvaL7L1vf1NL+JuxOi5tCjwWRyIGhyPS7W6EM1sY4BUVAMJfIe3 DN2TrDXi1ZuL6W/HEWggFEklBpSNNkFBOF61uGa9H11/IwLII0KFLXcjbAy5o9iohx8I NxZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=I+2TaOPolM2bHDQvysCdc//PiQFFDzJuybdyLv9L6ZU=; b=BYk9AEEagMubRonf0KZeRfEcIyL9ytROQQ2jzv6W1PdhkwGuJqbkIL0wU+rnwsoX+V jlcyZmy6K1P6fxo93AuBjE/qNvxa158N3m1QIVuS8WT4sxohxiBbN8Esl+KsgifS/oNm wxCyol0/p0dB0ZepNm6qEnbDsuPze1DtocdmkahlIjLu+hd5hJutNq1OCv4wk88Mxwz9 DitUVQxFqu7IocPBVbomnvhF2Iwy5KKLSubhgHRxOc8j8munAgFaZHYeR2WqI9ggdIuv lZAktAiZGGdawHgVJHH0scz0SjFSFhzmBQDVbIB3mrahAqsI/+2LxWqkI60paB8S2wbC RHQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMBHtkc+azk9nzRIf0eHPBR7/LPnRSJtLadSMKD/4xcApkJN1h4Viwp5eV1ho7Wjhn1+7rYBQm5kHFRew== X-Received: by 10.36.188.65 with SMTP id n62mr8415253ite.61.1474067206315; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.26.3 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:06:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ben Woods Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:06:45 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website To: "dweimer@dweimer.net" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:06:47 -0000 On Friday, 16 September 2016, Dean E. Weimer wrote: > On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, Bernt Hansson > wrote: > > On 2016-09-11 12:24, Ben Woods wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following >>> apple website doesn't display correctly? >>> http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 >>> >>> What is correctly? Have you made that homepage? >>> >> >> > Let's just say that on my FreeBSD system with Firefox it is missing a large > chunk of the website content at the top of the page which is visible if I > visit it on a Windows computer with Firefox. It is particularly noticeable, > since the missing part is the section that allows you to buy a new iPhone. > > Regards, > Ben > > Looks fine to me on my FreeBSD 11.0rc2 build I have running in a VM. > > There is a screenshot here: https://pydio.dweimer.net/data/public/5ed2b9 > > -- > Thanks, > Dean E. Weimer > http://www.dweimer.net/ > Hi Dean, Sorry, that is not the page that I was complaining about. Can you try again with the link I sent? I believe the problematic page is the one that appears if you push the blue "buy now" button in the top right of the page shown in your screenshot. I have attached a screenshot from my iPhone showing the top of the page. The "first choose iPhone 7 or iPhone 7 plus" section does not show in Firefox on FreeBSD. 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[142.167.57.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y133sm4770028ioy.8.2016.09.16.19.07.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Mingrone To: Ben Woods Cc: "freebsd-questions\@freebsd.org" , freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox not displaying Apple iPhone website References: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:06:54 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Ben Woods's message of "Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:24:13 +0800") Message-ID: <86r38jl1oh.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 02:07:03 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Ben Woods writes: > Is anyone using Firefox on FreeBSD, and can confirm that the following > apple website doesn't display correctly? > http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 I also saw a big blank white bar across the top using firefox-49.0_2,1 on 11.2-RC2. Then I spoofed the user-agent string [1] and it seemed to work (showed two stacks of phones). Joseph [1] I used this user-agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 6_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/536.26 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0 Mobile/10A5355d Safari/8536.25 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJX3KU+AAoJEDakDIOw1u+eOKUP/jlanWhYtrTXVBedxGdG8KFd Jrix7wngfsqEGL/TloGKCwagTy7a+UawuQCgB4QkTLDVPmNSLKkFT4meNrLyEkhV bnQRTAP9I+sI/6SBsbDTaN+ycH9E+aILMtTFyCy0ag0RyKaWq5yfJS17phmB9+lX Q6jRvkUOsgCnSea6Ke9BI0jehXyWU2QJwXd+f1se20Hg5pR0DR1RKrSckD0Y/8yS 2943azoio9KumnxS3941dllXVpl3OIShfXnbx29QZfYh9tHYDYfHllvve+2aKEgy dOwapoSrua65Lxi6Fi0JjwNSTAEOGWTGRKuFpeLP31MQzMmbGZ9wIN3027w+sC8Z f5ERylj2BICDK8HvMywmy6kMtGNE4YwtPS1akWmb+PsZav2oyyudihobcFm1sRSG 274aUBDuVhEXjswVGUMmgh82yTDQL/rYQPpymqeQaHaNwdXrb+Cl91MSTTcA2aCW zBLVnWzmVnMEmyt77lTP7w6LtBCyNAgxA1gXwt4QerAW829+kQOdYVVPpQ+yBYuS +z1zuoT+HJuJG96tE9tKFkEDFltHjgkeVlZbHOvtSbvKwSozeL25TVXWBfm8wmhx VNzRLHF2h0ogcmc8c/O9LfGZH0LdgOX6m5N0q0fRQRf431CW4Sq3j47p2EwgSxoR h9IzCOlXdvnBMomDarpn =pNMC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 12:22:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B24BDEEF9 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opsyzone@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x229.google.com (mail-vk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EE593D3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opsyzone@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id m62so64332721vkd.3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 05:22:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=roYZAPJeKGDoGp9Ifj4bRqLaB3n0h0CYNWeirK/ZE40=; b=MdXAggZUs63wDmXZBS0tN1LZ80Z9tFtFekHQeqAkJhFHylde2r0XSw3sdV8Ck7kz3C TvTJ/zhkC9L6ikpn5wWFltDnonK6APYY6iogNNlot0l1sJysyb+DYs51mzAOJW6nsBjs goVePRdRAXOQZCeSBHn4MsdRK04o+PdRgnrAe/+cyW5Ok5KHL7D+YMwmsJSyuLxArd3t bkuOA3TEja359MgR6hccKsAX1AGxEn+KKnQYY9rlCphQ+uMPfKV0B0tg0GM/wzSeHjlp UlLJWj0t300wse6XlsV196hsaV2Bs4gKjUbYN8j760SOkFoNoQgVXl3t6PL2BK7QaMya LFYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=roYZAPJeKGDoGp9Ifj4bRqLaB3n0h0CYNWeirK/ZE40=; b=QWBkrw2WRtPCcCWGTFlyBsIKhBAoCh12biwCl1RAIKogvbbphnDCPhXW10QZbhoUjM 6KkXxG9plcbGNy7NNhWKrBvqwCQULp094z5IQUcJ7kLdr0U26oV8BaXuFJCsDnr0e/dn WnROQZTF+2590zIxBO/YEjhoYEpGr1UC4e5qAu9K6GCsFs1EemK8bq/l7Ld4P02tP4qy nfRLRLwrujKZ/a5CGVHjmF1tM0D8ATp+07Q48cN4NOFCmUDlhpY8tcpLVNd8sp7aMT5h UTb8ZHdkyjQwjrbBSfvUH+9Qq1QkMNl8z9rpYJoD7qldCQBACLQORrZ/qob7nNjQvtlC je4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPlxIdFGxCgNjpZDyLOZW2SsBOOlJM566FkFcUg0myvPi6ZbK50lQGsL8LpuH5heIAFSFM9M7KtdHeJ5A== X-Received: by 10.31.53.71 with SMTP id c68mr6206347vka.104.1474114969496; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 05:22:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.0.178 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 05:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:22:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: urwfonts not showing up in fonts menu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:22:50 -0000 Hi, i am trying to set up FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE on some old Fujitsu laptop. Many things already work quite nicely, but ... x11-fonts/urwfonts don't - neither from packages nor from ports. As far as I understand the handbook, all I have to do is to install urwfonts, add their path to xorg.conf and reboot. I did so, but can't find them in OpenOffice (I also tried Abiword). This is my xorg.conf ---------------------------------- Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/OTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/urwfonts/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/freefonts/" FontPath "/usr/local/share/fonts/TrueType/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "freetype" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputClass" Identifier "All Keyboards" MatchIsKeyboard "yes" Option "XkbLayout" "de, us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz", ### : "%" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "HWcursor" # [] #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "ShadowFB" # [] #Option "UseFBDev" # [] #Option "Rotate" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "FlatPanel" # [] #Option "FPDither" # [] #Option "CrtcNumber" # #Option "FPScale" # [] #Option "FPTweak" # #Option "DualHead" # [] Identifier "Card0" Driver "nv" BusID "PCI:2:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection ---------------------------------------------------------------- Any ideas what might have gone wrong? Thanks for your answers Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 13:12:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D1ABDC1D9 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1258F02 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-138-147.knology.net [216.186.138.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u8HD7xXB021785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:08:00 -0500 To: FreeBSD Questions !!!! From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Subject: portsnap question Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:13:29 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:12:31 -0000 I just tried to do a portsnap fetch update to check for updates for flash, the 1 thing I maintain using ports, pkg for everything else. I get the following: [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:10:30am] 353 % portsnap fetch update Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 7 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Sat Aug 27 01:19:19 MCDT 2016 to Sat Sep 17 04:21:58 MCDT 2016. Fetching 5 metadata patches... done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 5 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open 39ffac906fafd69bfbba7c63d15dccb8ccbc8adaa755a212be13200b41f1d215.gz: No such file or directory metadata is corrupt. [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:10:47am] 354 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p43 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p43 #0: Sat May 28 00:19:32 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:12:39am] 355 % Probably something simple, pilot error, etc. I use ports for flash but am not an expert with it. Any clues how to proceed here ? TIA & have a good one. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 13:42:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC80BDCC04 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from mx.box-hlm-01.niklaas.eu (mx.box-hlm-01.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:fe1b:d1ad]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CD2DE3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (unknown [10.77.5.3]) by mx.box-hlm-01.niklaas.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CFE12C3565 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:42:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:41:56 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: When `drill` works but `nc` doesn't Message-ID: <20160917134155.GA77669@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Reply-To: stdin@niklaas.eu Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:42:03 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I encountered a strange behaviour when trying to establish a connection to my jails. When DNS is involved, I get a 2 seconds delay. At the same time, there is no DNS resolving issue when testing with `drill`. As it turn out the problem is related to a specific IP address. However, I don't know why exactly and I don't know to further debug this. Maybe someone has an idea. In the following you can read what I have done. In one of my jails I have unbound running: $ sudo jexec unbound1 sockstat -46l | grep ':53' unbound unbound 2474 3 udp4 *:53 *:* unbound unbound 2474 4 tcp4 *:53 *:* unbound unbound 2474 5 udp6 *:53 *:* unbound unbound 2474 6 tcp6 *:53 *:* This jail has some IP addresses assigned: $ sudo jexec unbound1 sockstat -46l | grep ':53' lo1: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3D600003 inet 10.3.3.1 netmask 0xffff0000=20 inet 10.77.3.1 netmask 0xffff0000=20 inet6 fd16:dcc0:f4cc:3::3:1 prefixlen 64=20 inet6 fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1 prefixlen 64=20 nd6 options=3D21 On my jails' host and in the other jails I have the following /etc/resolv.conf: options timeout:1 attempts:1 nameserver 10.77.3.1 nameserver fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1 I realised that connecting from one jail to another one always has a 2 seconds delay when DNS is involved $ sudo jexec www1 time nc -z mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 Connection to mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 port [tcp/mysql] succeeded! 2.02 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys while the same attempt without DNS is instant: $ sudo jexec www1 time nc -z 10.3.5.3 3306 Connection to 10.3.5.3 3306 port [tcp/mysql] succeeded! 0.00 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys So, I thought that this must be an DNS issue. And I checked whether my unbound jail works fine: $ sudo jexec www1 drill mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas @10.77.3.1 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 21945 ;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 4=20 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;; mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas. 3339 IN A 10.3.5.3 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: klaas. 2583 IN NS nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. klaas. 2583 IN NS nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. 2583 IN A 10.1.3.2 nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. 2583 IN A 10.3.3.2 nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. 2583 IN AAAA fd16:dcc0:f4cc:1::3:2 nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. 2583 IN AAAA fd16:dcc0:f4cc:3::3:2 ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 10.77.3.1 ;; WHEN: Sat Sep 17 15:09:33 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 194 As you can see, there is no issue with unbound and I get an answer using the same IP (10.77.3.1) instantly. When I kept on wondering, I thought about investigating this a bit more. I ran the following two commands $ sudo jexec www1 truss -D -o /tmp/truss-hostname nc -z mysql2.box-hlm-03.= klaas 3306 $ sudo jexec www1 truss -D -o /tmp/truss-IP nc -z 10.3.5.3 3306 and compared their output. The following extract is from /tmp/truss-hostname. This part is not present in /tmp/truss-IP and discloses the issue: 0.000045537 open("/etc/hosts",O_CLOEXEC,0666) =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000031010 fstat(3,{ mode=3D-rw-r--r-- ,inode=3D3455134,size=3D1090,blks= ize=3D32768 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000020953 read(3,"# $FreeBSD: releng/10.2/etc/host"...,32768) =3D 1090 = (0x442) 0.000013688 read(3,0x801433000,32768) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000015085 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000013409 madvise(0x801433000,0x8000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000020952 gettimeofday({ 1474106763.341818 },0x0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000012851 getpid() =3D 33788 (0x83fc) 0.000016483 gettimeofday({ 1474106763.341916 },0x0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000012292 issetugid() =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000026540 open("/etc/resolv.conf",O_CLOEXEC,0666) =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000013689 fstat(3,{ mode=3D-rw-r--r-- ,inode=3D3455168,size=3D84,blksiz= e=3D32768 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000014806 clock_gettime(12,{ 1443270.700167332 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000018438 fstat(3,{ mode=3D-rw-r--r-- ,inode=3D3455168,size=3D84,blksiz= e=3D32768 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000018717 read(3,"options timeout:1 attempts:1\nna"...,32768) =3D 84 (0= x54) 0.000018718 read(3,0x801433000,32768) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000015644 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000014248 __sysctl(0x7fffffff9578,0x2,0x7fffffff9840,0x7fffffff9580,0x0= ,0x0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000058387 issetugid() =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000030731 gettimeofday({ 1474106763.342896 },0x0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000015645 kqueue() =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000016762 socket(PF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 4 (0x4) 0.000023187 connect(4,{ AF_INET 10.77.3.1:53 },16) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000032965 sendto(4,"g\M^F\^A\0\0\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0\^Dww"...,39,0x0,NULL,0x= 0) =3D 39 (0x27) 0.000028775 clock_gettime(0,{ 1474106763.343553951 }) =3D 0 (0x0) X 1.003734264 kevent(3,{ 4,EVFILT_READ,EV_ADD|EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0x0,0x0 },1,{ = },1,{ 1.000000000 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000032685 socket(PF_INET6,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 5 (0x5) 0.000059505 connect(5,{ AF_INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1]:53 },28) =3D 0 = (0x0) 0.000097778 sendto(5,"g\M^F\^A\0\0\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0\^Dww"...,39,0x0,NULL,0x= 0) =3D 39 (0x27) 0.000025143 clock_gettime(0,{ 1474106764.348156482 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000191924 kevent(3,{ 5,EVFILT_READ,EV_ADD|EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0x0,0x0 },1,{ = 5,EVFILT_READ,EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0xc0,0x0 },1,{ 1.000000000 }) =3D 1 (0x1) 0.000029333 recvfrom(5,"g\M^F\M^A\M^@\0\^A\0\^A\0\^B\0"...,65536,0x0,{ AF= _INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1]:53 },0x7fffffff90bc) =3D 192 (0xc0) 0.000033245 close(4) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000028495 close(5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000026819 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000031010 gettimeofday({ 1474106764.349346 },0x0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000023746 kqueue() =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000027098 socket(PF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 4 (0x4) 0.000039949 connect(4,{ AF_INET 10.77.3.1:53 },16) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000042463 sendto(4,"\M^G\M^?\^A\0\0\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,39,0x0,NULL,0x0)= =3D 39 (0x27) 0.000026540 clock_gettime(0,{ 1474106764.350025156 }) =3D 0 (0x0) X 1.000184371 kevent(3,{ 4,EVFILT_READ,EV_ADD|EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0x0,0x0 },1,{ = },1,{ 1.000000000 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000051683 socket(PF_INET6,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 5 (0x5) 0.000061460 connect(5,{ AF_INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1]:53 },28) =3D 0 = (0x0) 0.000091353 sendto(5,"\M^G\M^?\^A\0\0\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,39,0x0,NULL,0x0)= =3D 39 (0x27) 0.000084089 clock_gettime(0,{ 1474106765.351039520 }) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000051962 kevent(3,{ 5,EVFILT_READ,EV_ADD|EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0x0,0x0 },1,{ = 5,EVFILT_READ,EV_ONESHOT,0x0,0xcc,0x0 },1,{ 1.000000000 }) =3D 1 (0x1) 0.000051962 recvfrom(5,"\M^G\M^?\M^A\M^@\0\^A\0\^A\0\^B"...,65536,0x0,{ A= F_INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1]:53 },0x7fffffff90bc) =3D 204 (0xcc) 0.000053358 close(4) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000046933 close(5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000047213 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000048330 madvise(0x801442000,0x1000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000067047 madvise(0x80147c000,0x10000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000044977 madvise(0x801433000,0x8000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000048330 madvise(0x80144c000,0x10000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000039391 madvise(0x80145c000,0x10000,0x5) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000039391 __sysctl(0x7fffffffa6d0,0x4,0x0,0x7fffffffa750,0x0,0x0) =3D 0= (0x0) 0.000040508 __sysctl(0x7fffffffa6d0,0x4,0x80144c300,0x7fffffffa750,0x0,0x= 0) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000046934 socket(PF_INET6,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,17) =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000055035 connect(3,{ AF_INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:1::4:1]:1 },28) =3D 0 (0= x0) 0.000044139 getsockname(3,{ AF_INET6 [fd16:dcc0:f4cc:3::2:1]:50722 },0x7f= ffffffa6cc) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000056432 ioctl(3,0xc1206949 { IORW 0x69('i'), 73, 288 },0xffffa5a8) ER= R#6 'Device not configured' 0.000044419 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000043302 socket(PF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,17) =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000046934 connect(3,{ AF_INET 10.1.4.1:1 },16) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000041346 getsockname(3,{ AF_INET 10.3.2.1:33788 },0x7fffffffa6cc) =3D = 0 (0x0) 0.000042185 close(3) =3D 0 (0x0) 0.000055874 socket(PF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,6) =3D 3 (0x3) 0.000591137 connect(3,{ AF_INET 10.1.4.1:88 },16) =3D 0 (0x0) I marked the most important two lines with "X". As you can see, there are two delays with 1 second each, which explains the 2 seconds delay of the command above. (The rest of the output I mostly don't understand.) =46rom that output I guessed that the delays are related to 10.77.3.1. As you can see, on the contrary to the attempt to connect to the corresponding IPv6 at the end, connection to the IPv4 seem to fail. I commented out the corresponding line in /etc/resolv.conf of my jail(s): options timeout:1 attempts:1 #nameserver 10.77.3.1 nameserver fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1 Since then, I get an instant connection: $ sudo jexec www1 time nc -z mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 Connection to mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 port [tcp/mysql] succeeded! 0.00 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys So, on the one hand it seems that there is an issue with connecting to 10.77.3.1 and resolving the domain name in question. On the other hand, as shown above, there is no issue when `drill`ing the unbound jail directly. Why is that? This is the first thing I don't understand. Funny thing: As you can see at the beginning of my mail, the unbound jail also has another IP: 10.3.3.1. If I use this IP (instead of 10.77.3.1) in /etc/resolv.conf everything works as expected. Why is that? This is the second thing that I don't understand. Luckily, the connection via IPv6 works. That's why a connection could be established after 2 seconds eventually. Do you have any idea why IPv6 works but IPv4 doesn't? I would very much appreciate ideas for further debugging this. To me it doesn't make sense that `drill` works but `nc` doesn't. Niklaas --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX3UgZAAoJEJArKu48GaI6xZAQAJcqwUkCajXzp9lyYEdNDmLq km1M8hkR1Iw1aEIEM2N+771AIPhxVV1UG2UISeOisMJfF3FEHlBg8sXJVW+Qic0v xyCdoG7y8m6ws2hu01+RDHCapLuimxJiLV1SjdpIduIxgaSLZDa73cmFbv46Sc+i Rsk4aLdaK1v1wBPI8iHOyybbtodEt6X+YKLtVv1GkFN8QJatfKiVXZanN4NFtKfC IcDTbeQW0OIAau+GopZPvtR+hPX5YtW8OTz8pB+zD+plOFGwRIbYzMAR/s8FG2su Yj7Lp/pMhiXIEypmnICZOR+O0/6UuwUfHp7RJvSrZlkOcMIKtsnW2/9OxBZP3kx3 tkN+jugYuZSRFlAu6Gin5cMeUCWFMxMOs1/YK76jjx4IkAMuNRRiYPbS2VFXNeW3 ReSdcmATBGOj5u5iHDHIHs4tTBUIoofSVkvF/dcwh0hJ+xpTrsslzIdsZqZWLT6D x4ULtkuO6no/EbW0/igpfOjDd9iNl1JSeTh6UAWqs7dCgkMfIZ3AWjbamdRZBQN9 F6iruLGFAJSQ/hQt8by50yMHr0c7p6GpDTrRrC5kytC9JxmoeiBaC9k1W5kgCunG FGXv5u8eH7Z33IEhzeGaWw2NhyOCz6eoZhCGZdoJIA9MGOjRtSYfG5UTi3b645oS dUJgIAHYG4hwK885n4dG =uHer -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 14:12:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13071BDE392 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmatalka@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com (mail-wm0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F2641B9 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmatalka@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id 133so7831582wmq.2 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=6i+kqwUYEiDX55vvqikZFiNZWldsAJHQrdzmpxE4GtE=; b=Uuluai1uJU75mAlz0bBef0NhfsjC7JI1KhrsNw+dUaD0ORtum0AM2k33TMtFVOwZHz ZVxh8gf/TOAA6kntZF6Y/wL00FqPIJINwFy3yvA5nkZE/Zqdptca9q0O83+UFNfPP2sq MhvFNnHufHwYHXA+WVv06PKhy5POhlDmCNqLY/eBP/I1pL20x96H+SWPQ+qnB+FpCf+C aQGzhaA/PAa5SP9F6DOIBb5/BvbWEHH7l6sdOWz7NqgCOGd0FKuJCxK0638NCKGK1sSg a6znuG1Bn2yEjSRhBCoIG+nSQsYOcnZGRYOd0jm6upte2suq9ARTdLGRZhwsYMvw3mlw m5uQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version; bh=6i+kqwUYEiDX55vvqikZFiNZWldsAJHQrdzmpxE4GtE=; b=h2HVRKVB8yT/2WvQF6NdyPvphoDZyLNOaisw2BIqLIlrgNs5n+NvsGVS3kS8YVrlvF 8nLtnSPiFJRaZQOQnL891i9tSWDNZzl0uxmSlDdAexZAEL6jIAkNqFk3PAKFFb7GJYxe YKPs63yx645p/2t0Xg4ngarDR03LHaLOfrWkqDB5rgaLEtYDoqs8/kzqCjgqPCvuvbdk jmnz9v9Dc92NVFIgKeauP3zLz20eiUIT99lb5Ih9OXmk/z3YOgFYPH+LnfjjIihFjhRc 9lFsib0ov3sHigTT2FPnwmWNJ6h2BTigg48fkI0QVgRUJhTXMTPu4isxwL7COiYedSLT /hzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPrA5jjmRoa3JxcwuaIwLUhsfPv/OXNmwUKeaPQ9+jNqRjsRyvEDc0svFMegjVHQQ== X-Received: by 10.194.83.69 with SMTP id o5mr19152837wjy.192.1474121535544; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([37.153.108.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bw9sm13352144wjc.33.2016.09.17.07.12.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Malcolm Matalka To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Replacing all disks in zroot Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:12:13 +0000 Message-ID: <861t0ik43m.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:12:18 -0000 Hello, Right now I have a ZFS on root on FreeBSD 10.3. Currently I only have 1 disk in zroot and it's too small. So I would like to do the following thing, but I'm not sure if I need to do some special work to make the new setup bootable. 1. Bought 2 new, larger HDs. 2. Going to add one of them to the existing disk as a mirror and let it resilver. 3. Replace the small drive with the second drive I bought, removing the smaller drive. As I understand it, after this I will have the larger capacity, mirrored. But will this be bootable? Do I have to do something else to copy the boot setup over? Thanks, /Malcolm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 14:13:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E00BDE556 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A8E397 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:52079] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9C/15-21240-E6F4DD75; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:13:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.41] (helo=dell.example.org) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1blGMY-0004aO-Io for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:13:02 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <017ec965-5542-76fa-d217-9879741a8b3f@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:13:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:13:10 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 14:19:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757F9BDE6B4 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:19:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afiskon@devzen.ru) Received: from relay08.nicmail.ru (relay08.nicmail.ru [195.208.6.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7746B9 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afiskon@devzen.ru) Received: from [109.70.25.225] (port=60860 helo=localhost) by f17.mail.nic.ru with esmtp (Exim 5.55) (envelope-from ) id 1blGKV-000FFT-3S; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:10:55 +0300 Received: from [188.123.231.37] (account afiskon@devzen.ru HELO localhost) by proxy03.mail.nic.ru (Exim 5.55) with id 1blGKV-0004YJ-0R; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:10:55 +0300 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:09:20 +0300 From: Aleksander Alekseev To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: FreeBSD Questions !!!! Subject: Re: portsnap question Message-ID: <20160917140920.GA2033@e733> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:19:03 -0000 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:10:30am] 353 % portsnap fetch update > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 7 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > Updating from Sat Aug 27 01:19:19 MCDT 2016 to Sat Sep 17 04:21:58 MCDT > 2016. > Fetching 5 metadata patches... done. > Applying metadata patches... done. > Fetching 5 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open > 39ffac906fafd69bfbba7c63d15dccb8ccbc8adaa755a212be13200b41f1d215.gz: No > such file or directory > metadata is corrupt. Same issue here (11.0-RC2). Must be some sort of race condition or something in portspap since second execution of `portsnap fetch update` always works flawlessly. IIRC started a month ago or so. Doesn't look like there is an open ticket on this so I created one: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212768 -- Best regards, Aleksander Alekseev From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 16:27:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BD3BDE382 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FADA9A3 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([80.229.31.82]) by avasout08 with smtp id kgTP1t0061mJoLY01gTQQ8; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:27:25 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=Y6S6iVWN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:117 a=cd0K7rcWwnZFf6xQxRobyA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GW1xBdLrtEIA:10 a=yPCof4ZbAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=leq2kcVLlus1RVjZ134A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2lfDSYhZ3Z6b8uxcDO-Z:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13] helo=milibyte.co.uk) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1blISY-0001gY-OS; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:27:23 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Malcolm Matalka Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <2431379.KBGJRHb7f7@curlew.lan> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/10.3-RELEASE-p7; KDE/4.14.10; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <861t0ik43m.fsf@gmail.com> References: <861t0ik43m.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Replacing all disks in zroot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:27:28 -0000 On Saturday 17 Sep 2016 14:12:13 Malcolm Matalka wrote: > As I understand it, after this I will have the larger capacity, > mirrored. You'll need to issue a "zpool autoexpand on poolname" command before the extra space can be utilised. There's an example at > But will this be bootable? Do I have to do something else to > copy the boot setup over? You'll need to create a small boot partition on each disk and install bootcode onto it as described in the first few steps of . Since you already have a running system you shouldn't need to boot from the install DVD, -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 17:38:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B87BDE7E5 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from SNT004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.55.90.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04B8CDBC for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR01-DB5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.8]) by SNT004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); 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amd64-portbld-freebsd10.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:41:13 -0000 On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:09:20 +0300 Aleksander Alekseev wrote: > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:10:30am] 353 % portsnap fetch update > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 7 mirrors found. > > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > > Updating from Sat Aug 27 01:19:19 MCDT 2016 to Sat Sep 17 04:21:58 > > MCDT 2016. > > Fetching 5 metadata patches... done. > > Applying metadata patches... done. > > Fetching 5 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open > > 39ffac906fafd69bfbba7c63d15dccb8ccbc8adaa755a212be13200b41f1d215.gz: > > No such file or directory > > metadata is corrupt. > > Same issue here (11.0-RC2). Must be some sort of race condition or > something in portspap since second execution of `portsnap fetch > update` always works flawlessly. It doesn't sound too serious then. Under other circumstances I'd suggest deleting everything under /var/db/portsnap/, but that allows the possibility of the portsnap MITM attack, which I don't think has been fixed yet. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 19:32:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62551BDEAED for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (vps.markoturk.info [95.154.208.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05559DA6 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vps.markoturk.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5D42B86D for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:23:42 +0200 From: Marko Turk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When `drill` works but `nc` doesn't Message-ID: <20160917192342.GA2305@vps.markoturk.info> References: <20160917134155.GA77669@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160917134155.GA77669@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:32:11 -0000 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 03:41:56PM +0200, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrot= e: > I encountered a strange behaviour when trying to establish > a connection to my jails. When DNS is involved, I get a 2 seconds > delay. At the same time, there is no DNS resolving issue when > testing with `drill`. >=20 > As it turn out the problem is related to a specific IP address. > However, I don't know why exactly and I don't know to further > debug this. Maybe someone has an idea. In the following you can > read what I have done. >=20 > In one of my jails I have unbound running: >=20 > $ sudo jexec unbound1 sockstat -46l | grep ':53' >=20 > unbound unbound 2474 3 udp4 *:53 *:* > unbound unbound 2474 4 tcp4 *:53 *:* > unbound unbound 2474 5 udp6 *:53 *:* > unbound unbound 2474 6 tcp6 *:53 *:* >=20 > This jail has some IP addresses assigned: >=20 > $ sudo jexec unbound1 sockstat -46l | grep ':53' >=20 > lo1: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=3D600003 > inet 10.3.3.1 netmask 0xffff0000=20 > inet 10.77.3.1 netmask 0xffff0000=20 > inet6 fd16:dcc0:f4cc:3::3:1 prefixlen 64=20 > inet6 fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1 prefixlen 64=20 > nd6 options=3D21 >=20 > On my jails' host and in the other jails I have the following > /etc/resolv.conf: >=20 > options timeout:1 attempts:1 > nameserver 10.77.3.1 > nameserver fd16:dcc0:f4cc:77::3:1 >=20 > I realised that connecting from one jail to another one always > has a 2 seconds delay when DNS is involved >=20 > $ sudo jexec www1 time nc -z mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 >=20 > Connection to mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas 3306 port [tcp/mysql] succeeded! > 2.02 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys >=20 > while the same attempt without DNS is instant: >=20 > $ sudo jexec www1 time nc -z 10.3.5.3 3306 >=20 > Connection to 10.3.5.3 3306 port [tcp/mysql] succeeded! > 0.00 real 0.00 user 0.00 sys >=20 > So, I thought that this must be an DNS issue. And I checked > whether my unbound jail works fine: >=20 > $ sudo jexec www1 drill mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas @10.77.3.1 >=20 > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 21945 > ;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 4= =20 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;; mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas. IN A >=20 > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > mysql2.box-hlm-03.klaas. 3339 IN A 10.3.5.3 >=20 > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > klaas. 2583 IN NS nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. > klaas. 2583 IN NS nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. >=20 > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. 2583 IN A 10.1.3.2 > nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. 2583 IN A 10.3.3.2 > nsd1.box-hlm-01.klaas. 2583 IN AAAA fd16:dcc0:f4cc:1::3:2 > nsd1.box-hlm-03.klaas. 2583 IN AAAA fd16:dcc0:f4cc:3::3:2 >=20 > ;; Query time: 0 msec > ;; SERVER: 10.77.3.1 > ;; WHEN: Sat Sep 17 15:09:33 2016 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 194 >=20 > As you can see, there is no issue with unbound and I get an > answer using the same IP (10.77.3.1) instantly. When I kept on > wondering, I thought about investigating this a bit more. I ran > the following two commands >=20 > $ sudo jexec www1 truss -D -o /tmp/truss-hostname nc -z mysql2.box-hlm-0= 3.klaas 3306 >=20 > $ sudo jexec www1 truss -D -o /tmp/truss-IP nc -z 10.3.5.3 3306 > [cut] Can you also post truss output when doing drill and tcpdump when doing netcat with hostname? -Marko --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX3Zg9AAoJEHg6bF2mqM2IrYwQALgUAWviryrP4TwlMh2zAYV9 jRE356fn4sx/FbxnVm9E429kg1OJblhJEuDij8dG1lHVZCpNGCpbf2vFAql67BR/ zs1wA+92LwDlefJR8wvcxD1vyeopSxk8P4xLlUKtIsDILASuxIryR2Lb6EK532gC xDZ8LClxt2R3uiK4dbMbtXqeQp93NtaPLi4MovvaCLeq92ojc1JbfEAE4hJaFfXm S0Oh8eadvBx768eoNN0lv5F+4msSsRX8ZAKVQQ5X7UvURV+JbjLh1XuQODUnZtnZ zhGF+YhrQ1eXEHP5qQj+/lCXt0+3MtoalSWg5wqXYcXm/YPeHbRUzp5N/6FHS8Qf W1d9QYwWDH8esRF7nPDJ70CLos9dbnj7hgfkdjE2YWUvljztyy7FjXqLYk0dtljS X0e7HB15AfJ2h+N8tYFk0hGsNcDHFBjnJo3OmPSYHbNDeKgyQPymVpFHFHz2WPRW K7ojHGBwXjxgkjLRTB7zSo/laMt4wxCwWsxyRKgYLH+anq9QwQ80S8oHaP3jYaL5 Aw8XW5sCwQv7uEQzvaPX0oEsuDAmPj91Xxyn3Ja2amsgihT8q99Wokl9MuFxPd1E 2h6lDoYjpzXQhAEeWb0YmKRQIDO/8LlGiggYT/3DVbN0jFTGB/nyhhmASLFM87eR 6tBHATRKWNjcOIJ4Lk3B =S0Ep -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 19:43:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83241BDEF82 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd01@dgmm.net) Received: from outbound-queue-3.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-3.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8178FC for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd01@dgmm.net) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (clyde.gradwell.net [212.11.70.3]) by outbound-queue-3.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0D21D39 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:43:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from cpc89374-jarr11-2-0-cust348.16-2.cable.virginm.net (HELO amd.asgard.uk) (82.13.141.93) (smtp-auth username fbsd%pop3.dgmm.net, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:43:38 +0100 From: Dave To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap question Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 20:43:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4203193.k1RVhkY9lU@amd.asgard.uk> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/9.3-RELEASE-p43; KDE/4.14.10; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20160917140920.GA2033@e733> References: <20160917140920.GA2033@e733> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Gradwell-MongoId: 57dd9cea.15a84-4169-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: fbsd@pop3.dgmm.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 19:43:40 -0000 On Saturday 17 September 2016 17:09:20 Aleksander Alekseev wrote: > > [root@kabini1, /etc, 8:10:30am] 353 % portsnap fetch update > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 7 mirrors found. > > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > > Fetching snapshot metadata... done. > > Updating from Sat Aug 27 01:19:19 MCDT 2016 to Sat Sep 17 04:21:58 MCDT > > 2016. > > Fetching 5 metadata patches... done. > > Applying metadata patches... done. > > Fetching 5 metadata files... /usr/sbin/portsnap: cannot open > > 39ffac906fafd69bfbba7c63d15dccb8ccbc8adaa755a212be13200b41f1d215.gz: No > > such file or directory > > metadata is corrupt. > > Same issue here (11.0-RC2). Must be some sort of race condition or > something in portspap since second execution of `portsnap fetch update` > always works flawlessly. IIRC started a month ago or so. > > Doesn't look like there is an open ticket on this so I created one: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212768 > Same here on 10.3. Using cssh to open multiple ssh xterms to 4 boxes and when it happens, it happens on all of them. Running it again and all is well. I've seen this occur or 4 times over the last month or so. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 22:46:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EBCBDF682 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D769FC35 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [76.181.114.47] ([76.181.114.47:52280] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 1D/77-17089-997CDD75; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:45:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.40] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1blOMi-0004it-TG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:45:44 -0400 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Baho Utot Subject: base source: release vs releng Message-ID: <46503065-0829-9481-0ec2-e41ae71e3756@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:45:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:46:53 -0000 As I understand this: The difference between release and releng is that releng gets security fixes and "back ports/fixes" and release does not? Or have I completely missed the boat and I am all wet? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 17 23:57:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5284FBDE548 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 168EC6B7 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-184.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AFED3CF71; Sun, 18 Sep 2016 01:50:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u8HNoS5D002065; Sun, 18 Sep 2016 01:50:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 01:50:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: base source: release vs releng Message-Id: <20160918015028.5616cf0c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <46503065-0829-9481-0ec2-e41ae71e3756@columbus.rr.com> References: <46503065-0829-9481-0ec2-e41ae71e3756@columbus.rr.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:57:44 -0000 On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 18:45:44 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > As I understand this: > > The difference between release and releng is that releng gets security > fixes and "back ports/fixes" and release does not? > > Or have I completely missed the boat and I am all wet? The term "releng" means "release engineering" and is something like a word for "the whole release process", the task of creating a release of the OS, in which there are basically three levels: RELEASE - this is the release which gets published electronically and on optical media RELEASE-pX - this is a RELEASE where security updates have been added to, indicated by patchlevel X STABLE - this is the stable development branch, i. e. the branch in which ABIs and APIs are stable, and which usually does compile and run; typcally from this branch, security updates are provided for RELEASE CURRENT or HEAD - this is the experimental development branch, the place where testing happens, so it isn't _guaranteed_ to compile and run properly; it's often in a "state of flow", i. e. doesn't compile now, wait 2 hours, update sources, recompile, works; from this branch, features are put into production development (appearing in STABLE) or discarded (which also _may_ happen) You can find more information here: https://www.freebsd.org/releng/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...