Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:11:00 +0200 From: freebsd.arch@clogic.com.ua To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <98201b70579455dfa4fa58aebd3181b3@clogic.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <0f11ca9a-c28f-6667-9509-11a1ba05ff98@freebsd.org> References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> <tkrat.f954a4373601db49@FreeBSD.org> <0f11ca9a-c28f-6667-9509-11a1ba05ff98@freebsd.org>
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On 2017-12-09 19:08, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 7/12/17 12:16 pm, Don Lewis wrote: >> On 6 Dec, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of sendmail in >>> base. >>> >>> Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built >>> WITHOUT_SENDMAIL >>> by default >>> >>> removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0 >>> >>> sendmail in base it not really usable as a full featured mta due to >>> the fact it >>> does not support anything an entreprised grade mta setup would >>> require: ldap >>> support for example, check the number of options available in the >>> sendmail port. >>> >>> Users for that use case would be better served by the port version of >>> sendmail. >>> >>> The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of >>> sendmail: >>> relaying emails externally and deliver locally. >> I've found that sendmail in base meets my needs. I haven't had the >> need >> for any of the features that are only available in the port. > "me too". > How about you just leave it there until we have pkgbase by default and > then just swap it. > I have enough scripts and configs around that I don't want to revisit > to fix all this. > I hardly remember how they work.. They've been untouched except for > upgrades > for about a decade. > Most users don't need a sandmail in base. As example, I always disable sendmail and install dma for local use or postfix for mail servers. So I can't understand, why I need do this every time as I install new instance of FreeBSD in 2017? > >> It doesn't looks like dma(8) would be useful for me on my primary >> machines since I basically need its inverse. It would only be useful >> on my headless machines to forward cron-generated mail to my mail >> server. I don't do any local delivery of mail to mbox files. My mail >> server delivers all mail to cyrus-imapd via lmtp, which is a fairly >> simple tweak to the sendmail.mc file. I also have a couple of mail >> relays that do some smart routing and spam filtering. >> >> One thing that is comes with sendmail in base but is missing from the >> sendmail port is all the handy stuff in /etc/mail, such as the >> freebsd.mc template, the aliases file, and the Makefile which makes >> maintaining the config files and the .db files much easier. Without >> this stuff, setting up the sendmail port would be much more >> intimidating. > amen > a sendmail-freebsd port maybe? > Best regards.
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