From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 19:53:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A8A106B20E; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-f173.google.com (mail-it1-f173.google.com [209.85.166.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F1D08FADA; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-f173.google.com with SMTP id m15so14136986itl.4; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bQtoNQXXJbKvVmkPES/dF69kfQql03uL5TMcfS4Tga8=; b=ibKkQlSq0w4AMC2pf21EX4dW1MIdwA0dyNWWRQO9h1xWLXuwAnxCxzumQ0y5A1Y2+q DKdZ24Ak65MXEP6WW4ePC5dGp6JKcA1M8n2EK0ccmtofdbTJYVOPbIIJb4FPQScQY4Hz DGgFDwvqT7b3pRy6PTI3D3vWeH1OwiH2z64WKagvMH2lXjb06LCm1uZYmaHd51eqNLjK T8mSAbV9ps/KUlNpVu2+kvCkBcEYJS8ORaeOaRqlEmhxCNf70AVU22TNChArgjBrHsqV kg0VHaFwJ0JfjaOtJiuKlW2nto0rCqI+4gZ1Zt21WqIr+YKooYttxl63Y/RZK3P95Sjq DKCA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiHycFK0tLdu4U8BET9NcDaDbS/cqRYBSWk9aVV0MgW/v0yMV0h WdDMSkRKbnGorGihVgOeY5X7YrURlxRgcvtKS08/36FZtEc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV6362Z/9/M86CUOw1kCpVBZcSLUZ9aDAamXDu88FAY2rymm8ftCqr+AdeWLjlug7nsWdasanlEQwY5x7VupC/4Q= X-Received: by 2002:a24:430d:: with SMTP id s13-v6mr10344631itb.33.1540237577832; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ed Maste Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:53:50 -0000 The ctm(1) client remains in the FreeBSD base system, although FreeBSD-hosted ctm infrastructure was shut down some time ago. I suspect it is time to remove it from the base system (perhaps making a port). How much use does ctm have these days? From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 19:57:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8346F106B577; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5748FE73; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9MJvdxo012869; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9MJvdXx012868; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: To: Ed Maste Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) CC: FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:57:44 -0000 > The ctm(1) client remains in the FreeBSD base system, although > FreeBSD-hosted ctm infrastructure was shut down some time ago. I > suspect it is time to remove it from the base system (perhaps making a > port). > > How much use does ctm have these days? I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address with that memory. A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail may yield a hit. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 20:10:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BCB106BD5A; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D3D707AB; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFFA1483E; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9MKA8RS007290 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:08 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w9MKA7Hd007289; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:07 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-reply-to: <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7287.1540239007.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:07 +0000 Message-ID: <7288.1540239007@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:10:17 -0000 -------- In message <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W= . Gri mes" writes: >I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen >one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact >using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address >with that memory. > >A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail >may yield a hit. I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= . From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 20:38:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CD1106D7A2; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4314F728B7; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9MKcPSV013244; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9MKcP4L013243; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: <7288.1540239007@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) CC: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:38:27 -0000 > -------- > In message <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. Gri > mes" writes: > > >I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen > >one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact > >using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address > >with that memory. > > > >A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail > >may yield a hit. > > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 20:52:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18077FD60CD for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5ED27328F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id w1so30532612vsj.8 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:52:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=U++9Dttxuih7I5jqVunXWSWpoCVEp097mlCVDCo9z4U=; b=onjRkGXq6C6Vwq0qykim6PD8DlAU9Op1AJM5z7jwkJh1+kqTCUwotlnOZkVHJHkB4y rL3b1p/cBgfBwA9t43J2zEhXd7VZg/6sl+BOVQfd8h5mmWniwK7csDqY8GFoq3LKrAD3 t9geGK6ZTmMqFKzhx5OfTgMsO3iUpj/LUR7x0zQojp8dzTjPF0Z9lPF/GdjMhJdaSIQc ESTaAgTcz71KR32AhfJMKS0EwOEZhasO+555uMv2hMiImpQDzj3skxwukVgPC9kaYP8O OnZepCp9CDrqjgLfrCPyfOOl3Uhcm8XwzUj+Djw+5ekjXFTrpr4wq5JwlrUD3XE8Huji 2LKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=U++9Dttxuih7I5jqVunXWSWpoCVEp097mlCVDCo9z4U=; b=mYOgRBCTltkOpAF3BujXNOGiAfwiIRawTNd1/0HdUlxUw0VEQO/KamnXyu02eeKZ07 rUKlXEOKxweZOSF6zHQzir+RV2MnyhXlCKWbEQFULTRR55UifHm7HKlr1E7/XXfZPqEb b7kvGzeLiUiikw46oX+lyctjI0bki+42YlqmOihmzW1kCaU5GcgCxvKTkQHYYh/ZVA59 VF+xBWBvwVjP32bXkA0pkm3JcqWiiKDc+TlxzxyzJVYqdza+007ZFWc8nDb9Bxs2FCob ozwc3xlaAIP+YZuEK2HCZ+52NuU7f5TDocZswfEjbz0CDSLY7E0Ky64+ub2ieboxN5yo rqsA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogFoZTTX/dn0LLkWmzPbMWHQzesx+uuvOurEY6GRpylU7B8HFqW qzo6JONthXM8fwWSYQ4RmAEOhy260xaf5I7CsTTzTw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62kRlpgOeFdXPOkGCjHPaB+d01Bcumms3XYpaD5mCfdM5lVi3T85dzuqV/qusCODJ8L4kL4d+WqUAO10Uf3y9g= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f757:: with SMTP id w23mr19705491vso.76.1540241550965; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:52:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7288.1540239007@critter.freebsd.dk> <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:52:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:52:32 -0000 On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > -------- > > In message <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>, > "Rodney W. Gri > > mes" writes: > > > > >I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen > > >one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact > > >using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address > > >with that memory. > > > > > >A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail > > >may yield a hit. > > > > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? > > Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, > confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. > Do we need it in base? Or can we make it a port? Warner From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 20:58:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42164FD646F; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2501736B0; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CCDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.204.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9MKwVS8055417 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:35 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w9MKwQwG027209; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w9MKw2dE050298; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201810222058.w9MKw2dE050298@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , ctm-users@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:38:25 -0700." <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:02 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:40 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > -------- > > In message <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. Gri > > mes" writes: > > > > >I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen > > >one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact > > >using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address > > >with that memory. > > > > > >A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail > > >may yield a hit. > > > > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? > > Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, > confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. Stephen Montgomery generates the CTM deltas, & sends them through the mailman lists on freebsd.org (which arent listed but are there as far as I recall) , & as he doesn't have enough space, he also rsyncs bases & deltas to the ftp repository server I host Not that many use CTM, perhaps mostly because many have unrestricted flat rate free bandwidth 24/7, so they can fetch another easier way, & partly because even where CTM really scores, for those with intermittent access or expensive data transfer (eg some mobile tarrifs perhaps), some of those people arent aware of CTM, as we havent kept up the www.freebsd.org etc docs. http://ctm.berklix.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 20:58:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980C7FD648F; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD89736C0; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DE514831; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9MKwivC007834 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:44 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w9MKwiLS007833; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:44 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Warner Losh cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <7288.1540239007@critter.freebsd.dk> <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7831.1540241924.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7832.1540241924@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:46 -0000 -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >> > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? >> >> Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, >> confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. > >Do we need it in base? Or can we make it a port? Absolutely make it a port! -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= . From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 21:11:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6D6FD6B4B; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9477B74008; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9MLBi5o013665; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9MLBisu013664; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810222111.w9MLBisu013664@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: <7832.1540241924@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) CC: Warner Losh , Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:11:48 -0000 > -------- > In message > , Warner Losh writes: > > >> > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? > >> > >> Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, > >> confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. > > > >Do we need it in base? Or can we make it a port? > > Absolutely make it a port! > I concur, but please hold off on the svn rm until Stephen Montgomery and Julian have acked that they can quickly and easily transition to a port, then I would even be fine with a MFC gone in(13) to stable/12 and an immediate rm from head. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 21:21:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554BAFD72AE; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4F0274893; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CCDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.204.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9MLLg8Z056105 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:21:47 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w9MLLb6i027364; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:21:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w9MLLJh4050701; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:21:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201810222121.w9MLLJh4050701@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:57:39 -0700." <201810221957.w9MJvdXx012868@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:21:19 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:21:49 -0000 "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > The ctm(1) client remains in the FreeBSD base system, although > > FreeBSD-hosted ctm infrastructure was shut down some time ago. I > > suspect it is time to remove it from the base system (perhaps making a > > port). > > > > How much use does ctm have these days? > > I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen > one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact > using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address > with that memory. > > A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail > may yield a hit. A fair guess, but it wouldn't indicate CTM usage well, as we only use the ctm@ list to discuss if something breaks, or to warn if a server will go out for maintenance. more misleading still: the ctm-announce@ list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-announce hasnt been used in years, because Stephen doesnt have write access to it. I did write someone years back asking that Stephen be given write access, but it slipped between the cracks. If anyone fixes that to give Stephen Montgomery Smith write access to ctm-announce, it would be nice if you consider giving me write access too to ctm-announce@ as I occasionaly announce server outages eg https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/2018-September/000526.html Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 21:25:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4BAFD7570; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 366ED74E0E; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9MLPlVs013783; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9MLPlH8013782; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810222125.w9MLPlH8013782@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: <201810222121.w9MLLJh4050701@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:25:47 -0700 (PDT) CC: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:25:53 -0000 > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > > The ctm(1) client remains in the FreeBSD base system, although > > > FreeBSD-hosted ctm infrastructure was shut down some time ago. I > > > suspect it is time to remove it from the base system (perhaps making a > > > port). > > > > > > How much use does ctm have these days? > > > > I do not know that other than I do know that I have seen > > one data point in the last 14 days of a user who was infact > > using ctm though I can not associate a username/email address > > with that memory. > > > > A search of the last 30 days of @freebsd.org public mail > > may yield a hit. > > A fair guess, but it wouldn't indicate CTM usage well, > as we only use the ctm@ list to discuss if something breaks, > or to warn if a server will go out for maintenance. The search was only to find YOU, as I knew my above 14 day reference to a user was a message on a mail list that contained the word "ctm". > more misleading still: the ctm-announce@ list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-announce > hasnt been used in years, because Stephen doesnt have > write access to it. I did write someone years back asking that > Stephen be given write access, but it slipped between the cracks. > If anyone fixes that to give Stephen Montgomery Smith write access to > ctm-announce, it would be nice if you consider giving me write access too to > ctm-announce@ as I occasionaly announce server outages eg > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/2018-September/000526.html That should be possible, though I have no idea of where to even ask. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Mon Oct 22 21:32:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34A8FD7B31; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 505C675577; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CCDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.204.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9MLWW9a056496 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:32:37 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w9MLWRpx027449; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:32:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w9MLVvxC050976; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:32:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Warner Losh , Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current , ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:11:43 -0700." <201810222111.w9MLBisu013664@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 23:31:57 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:32:40 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > -------- > > In message > > , Warner Losh writes: > > > > >> > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? > > >> > > >> Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, > > >> confirmed that is who I saw with ctm usage. > > > > > >Do we need it in base? Or can we make it a port? > > > > Absolutely make it a port! > > > > I concur, but please hold off on the svn rm until > Stephen Montgomery and Julian have acked that they > can quickly and easily transition to a port, then > I would even be fine with a MFC gone in(13) to > stable/12 and an immediate rm from head. Thanks Rod. I dont foresee a problem if its moved to ports. ( Unusual, as I often do predict problems moving to ports/ ) Let's wait for Stephen's thoughts, & other ctm users. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 15:28:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9431FE9A9E; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from um-nip3-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (um-nip3-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [198.209.49.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEE3E81D42; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FxBAD0PM9b/xk40cZjGgEBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEHAgEBAQGBZQKCA4FlMoNrlDWFTJNXgXkBCwEsgUuCdQIXhRQhPQUMAQMBAQI?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQICAmkohTwGIxFFEAIBCBoCJgICAjAVEAIEAQwBBwEBFYMIggKmXYEuiE4BB?= =?us-ascii?q?4FLgQuKVxeCAIE4gW1+iAGCVwKKWZN3CQKQbB2QMJZEAgICAgkCFIFtAQ6BVXI?= =?us-ascii?q?TgyiCJReOGoIXimYBgR4BAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FxBAD0PM9b/xk40cZjGgEBAQEBAgEBAQEHAgEBAQGBZQK?= =?us-ascii?q?CA4FlMoNrlDWFTJNXgXkBCwEsgUuCdQIXhRQhPQUMAQMBAQIBAQICAmkohTwGI?= =?us-ascii?q?xFFEAIBCBoCJgICAjAVEAIEAQwBBwEBFYMIggKmXYEuiE4BB4FLgQuKVxeCAIE?= =?us-ascii?q?4gW1+iAGCVwKKWZN3CQKQbB2QMJZEAgICAgkCFIFtAQ6BVXITgyiCJReOGoIXi?= =?us-ascii?q?mYBgR4BAQ?= Received: from ex2-t17.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.25]) by um-nip3-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2018 10:27:07 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-T17.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1531.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:27:06 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1531.003; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:27:06 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" , Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste , Warner Losh Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? Thread-Topic: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? Thread-Index: AQHUak6oFha2k0mYvU+8ASXkS/fskqUtSOmA Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:27:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 x-originating-ip: [128.206.49.160] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <9EC24256A0EA5A4BA569B28D753BA66F@missouri.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:28:18 -0000 SSBoYXZlIG5vIHByb2JsZW0gdHVybmluZyBjdG0gaW50byBhIHBvcnQuICBCdXQgSSB3b3VsZCBh cHByZWNpYXRlDQphZHZpY2Ugb24gd2hldGhlciB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIHN0YW5kYXJkIG9yIGVhc3kg cHJvY2VzcyBmb3IgY29udmVydGluZw0Kc29mdHdhcmUgZnJvbSB0aGUgRnJlZUJTRCBiYXNlIHRv IGEgcG9ydC4gIElmIG5vdCwgSSBjYW4gbXVkZGxlIG15IHdheQ0KdGhyb3VnaCBpdC4gIEJ1dCBn aXZlIG1lIHNvbWUgdGltZSAoYSBmZXcgbW9udGhzKSB0byBnZXQgaXQgZG9uZSwNCmJlY2F1c2Ug dGhlIHJlc3Qgb2YgbXkgbGlmZSBpcyBtYWtpbmcgaGVhdnkgZGVtYW5kcyBvbiBtZSByaWdodCBu b3cuDQoNCkkgZG8gaGF2ZSB3cml0ZSBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gY3RtLWFubm91bmNlQCwgb3IgYXQgbGVh c3QgSSBkaWQgdGhlIGxhc3QgdGltZQ0KSSBjaGVja2VkLiAgSSBkb24ndCB1c2UgaXQgdmVyeSBt dWNoLCBiZWNhdXNlIEkgbGlrZSBmb3IgcGVvcGxlIHRvIGhhdmUNCnRoZSBhYmlsaXR5IHRvIHJl cGx5IHRvIG15IG1lc3NhZ2VzLg0KDQpJIGRvIHJlYWxpemUgdGhhdCB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIG9mIHBl b3BsZSB1c2luZyBjdG0gaXMgdmVyeSBsb3cuICBJIHVzZWQgdG8NCmJlIGEgdXNlciBteXNlbGYs IGJ1dCBub3cgSSBmaW5kIHN2biBhIGxvdCBtb3JlIGNvbnZlbmllbnQuICBCdXQgdGhlDQplZmZv cnQgZm9yIG1lIHRvIG1haW50YWluIGN0bSBpc24ndCB0aGF0IGdyZWF0LCBzbyBJIGFtIHdpbGxp bmcgdG8ga2VlcA0KaXQgbW92aW5nIGZvciB0aGUgZmV3Lg0KDQpCZXN0IHJlZ2FyZHMsDQpTdGVw aGVuIE1vbnRnb21lcnktU21pdGgNCkNUTSBtYWludGFpbmVy From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 16:44:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E06BFEBFA7; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from mailout12.t-online.de (mailout12.t-online.de [194.25.134.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCFA084EFD; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from fwd14.aul.t-online.de (fwd14.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.242]) by mailout12.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 9803841C4D78; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Stefans-MBP-LAN.fritz.box (TcTrn6ZBghe2xKiKhX4nXe1P4-uKLx4MDGUMYRKowcmYHMkniM1ohs0SDiEdXSpQUV@[80.128.111.25]) by fwd14.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1gEznA-2PbQh60; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:44:28 +0200 Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" , Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste , Warner Losh References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Stefan Esser Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=se@freebsd.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFVxiRIBCADOLNOZBsqlplHUQ3tG782FNtVT33rQli9EjNt2fhFERHIo4NxHlWBpHLnU b0s4L/eItx7au0i7Gegv01A9LUMwOnAc9EFAm4EW3Wmoa6MYrcP7xDClohg/Y69f7SNpEs3x YATBy+L6NzWZbJjZXD4vqPgZSDuMcLU7BEdJf0f+6h1BJPnGuwHpsSdnnMrZeIM8xQ8PPUVQ L0GZkVojHgNUngJH6e21qDrud0BkdiBcij0M3TCP4GQrJ/YMdurfc8mhueLpwGR2U1W8TYB7 4UY+NLw0McThOCLCxXflIeF/Y7jSB0zxzvb/H3LWkodUTkV57yX9IbUAGA5RKRg9zsUtABEB AAHNKVN0ZWZhbiBFw59lciAoWWFob28hKSA8c3QuZXNzZXJAeWFob28uZGU+wsCWBBMBCgBA AhsDBwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQSjceplnAvsyCtxUxNH67XvWv31RAUC WvLvqwUJCyUBEwAKCRBH67XvWv31REySCACc6vqcSFQCRyBRc2CV5ZBjbbnTy7VBoXbUS3/c 4Hn8I0YQ39q7//2z8vYsgLeM1mMXL4PUIU/0f0dBAFBLpxV7bntGzyCJls6SeGS/qcQKhqaI 6I7NcWg8OkIJIhUL6q238cS1ql9pU65fyHe0PP8JS08m81PDpX2/4wTE6h2jgYUy55eXRzoF MEjr1S8SSnidsBem27o7iWu9ltJsUtE86071iZlLzbuHv2nvucrjAV9cK9tHrxYT/YiY8QhT L48iWj2xIjLjg1ebmgIFZ2k881we/KTIoUugqOOR1gDSc4qwM8CA388cN3frjtl98CwhAT5T UV8tIDqri+/Z1AKwzsBNBFVxiRIBCACxI/aglzGVbnI6XHd0MTP05VK/fJub4hHdc+LQpz1M kVnCAhFbY9oecTB/togdKtfiloavjbFrb0nJhJnx57K+3SdSuu+znaQ4SlWiZOtXnkbpRWNU eMm+gtTDMSvloGAfr76RtFHskdDOLgXsHD70bKuMhlBxUCrSwGzHaD00q8iQPhJZ5itb3WPq z3B4IjiDAWTO2obD1wtAvSuHuUj/XJRsiKDKW3x13cfavkad81bZW4cpNwUv8XHLv/vaZPSA ly+hkY7NrDZydMMXVNQ7AJQufWuTJ0q7sImRcEZ5EIa98esJPey4O7C0vY405wjeyxpVZkpq ThDMurqtQFn1ABEBAAHCwHwEGAEKACYCGwwWIQSjceplnAvsyCtxUxNH67XvWv31RAUCWvLv qwUJCyUBGQAKCRBH67XvWv31RLnrB/9gzcRlpx71sDMosoZULWn7wysBJ/8AIEfIByRaHQe3 pn/KwE57pB+zFbbQqB7YzeZb7/UUgR4zU2ZbOcEfwDZcHUbj0B3fGRsS3t0uiLlAd8w0sBZb SxrqzjdpDjIbOZkxssqUmvrsN67UG1AFWH9aD24keBS7YjPBS8hLxPeYV+Xz6vUL8fRZje/Z JgiBMIwyj6g2lH/zkdnxBdC0iG1xxJOLTaghMMeQyCdH6ef8+VMyAlAJsMckbOTvx63tY8z7 DFcrnTJfbe1EziRilVsEaK8tTzJzhcTfos+f3eBYWEilxe5HzIhYKJeC7lmsSUcGwa6+9VRg a0ctmi9Z8OgX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:44:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: TcTrn6ZBghe2xKiKhX4nXe1P4-uKLx4MDGUMYRKowcmYHMkniM1ohs0SDiEdXSpQUV X-TOI-MSGID: 77a89d11-27b2-4a7b-9220-1d5fd8628276 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:44:43 -0000 Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: > I have no problem turning ctm into a port. But I would appreciate > advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for converting > software from the FreeBSD base to a port. If not, I can muddle my way > through it. But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, > because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right now. Hi Stephen, I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand that it still may be useful in special situations. The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? Regards, STefan From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 17:06:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD825FECBD7 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92c.google.com (mail-ua1-x92c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F52A85E24 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92c.google.com with SMTP id c10so782031uao.12 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7Up7cl1Kjqmm4TMghiE4veG9oVPWRT9qnl/NijPLn+c=; b=McoBZ9A1nBBkFajtuHH9HuPwZL815iJKzMfZQw9WBHAF+V+HLfP3WTdSJIZ4xI8PB/ T8CH3FINPIjj75OGUOErE+cV4hanCZQ1vU6SYA9QuypUmBsNLa8ghQAF2gYt4oItFF+d R7xwrF1gcHwFzGitkGizGNvqANWnxRBKt6x+iKBXH4f0y6YHgZrqe5fquE3BiHnBBNNT sgboXHxCaRkL/V6TJVbggnXDez+jdV7byGBuYAynMj5Gm5MQiXZNHizYeFUGIdZ2ZuLL K1AtCMXwQPTDrdK8Ix61eoT8l/776O7AVSmdoFT2q3UIiLGk6QeDWlGqff3GYKbDOqcC 9utQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7Up7cl1Kjqmm4TMghiE4veG9oVPWRT9qnl/NijPLn+c=; b=t5pbeKVFuRDt8qGBfCd/vhEP35qMZjSxI3xqLoqkkDzew1k3xWVuYXb9XKwZLV9+PW z//znj8/OswydFkD7q/f1KTKmxOWzOMpKNlZa2AJW28AbT9XEtPsAXM9c8rJxhsbFE25 O6wmwwpftoGqg8YiynGVmd8UbXtYdFuVm6MNMYZ2Nv1J3s6eSanvSYlmZnBziYH0VYLL 7l/uRW7Y12NH7lmjYS1AP45Gdg7x1stc9vcK3tfIsajegnkIRbsp//aO1s23P+VI8sKj lASdx9DnMWOu3nTOtyh6WxX1OLCaZG4XmithNomxp7PmwirUKlOXTq1Ps1evhljx8sPm iQxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogKXuZz1hlQUwaNchskE/kDaQlvcNEJ0DsGgIKM2DxF0heAvzV/ Vi6T8l7kkvq2t05fHFSxij7yX56Iy0bi5LYUgfHphhg2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60ZQME9qhXbmVI3YZs1tVY7tLc0SykD9QHtjyPQNZryaav+kOHc8yxrnuHlWa2JMwf/Z0RiRUO4qha//i8ANLA= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:53c3:: with SMTP id l3mr21613666uaa.16.1540314410410; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:06:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:06:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: Stefan Esser Cc: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:06:52 -0000 On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: > > I have no problem turning ctm into a port. But I would appreciate > > advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for converting > > software from the FreeBSD base to a port. If not, I can muddle my way > > through it. But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, > > because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right now. > > Hi Stephen, > > I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to > test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand > that it still may be useful in special situations. > > The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a > preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? > It's trivial to setup a new repository on github.com/freebsd/ctm for this purpose. With the right magic, we could even retain the commit history. Warner From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 17:20:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F9CFED1F6; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from um-tip1-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (um-tip1-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [198.209.49.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 535578650A; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FcAABoV89b/x840cZjGgEBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEHAgEBAQGBZYIFgWUymCCBaCWZDwELASyBS4J1AoUrITgWAQMBAQIBAQICAmk?= =?us-ascii?q?cDIQfLDI/AQV5EAIBCA4KLjIlAgQBDAEHAQEVgwiCAqh7iE8BB4FLi2IXggCBO?= =?us-ascii?q?AyBYX6EaIVwAopZiXCKBwkCkGwIFZAwkzCDFAICAgIJAhSBWiKBVXITgnMBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?yixiFPoIXimYBgR4BAQ?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FcAABoV89b/x840cZjGgEBAQEBAgEBAQEHAgEBAQGBZYI?= =?us-ascii?q?FgWUymCCBaCWZDwELASyBS4J1AoUrITgWAQMBAQIBAQICAmkcDIQfLDI/AQV5E?= =?us-ascii?q?AIBCA4KLjIlAgQBDAEHAQEVgwiCAqh7iE8BB4FLi2IXggCBOAyBYX6EaIVwAop?= =?us-ascii?q?ZiXCKBwkCkGwIFZAwkzCDFAICAgIJAhSBWiKBVXITgnMBAQEyixiFPoIXimYBg?= =?us-ascii?q?R4BAQ?= Received: from ex2-t21.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.31]) by um-tip1-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2018 12:19:08 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-T21.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1531.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:19:08 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1531.003; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:19:08 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: Stefan Esser , "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" , Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste , Warner Losh Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? Thread-Topic: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? Thread-Index: AQHUak6oFha2k0mYvU+8ASXkS/fskqUtSOmAgAAVnYCAAAmwgA== Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:19:08 +0000 Message-ID: <24540054-74b7-8b1e-3ab9-36882f2eb0a1@missouri.edu> References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 x-originating-ip: [128.206.49.160] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:20:34 -0000 On 10/23/18 11:44 AM, Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: >> I have no problem turning ctm into a port. But I would appreciate >> advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for converting >> software from the FreeBSD base to a port. If not, I can muddle my way >> through it. But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, >> because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right now. >=20 > Hi Stephen, >=20 > I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to > test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand > that it still may be useful in special situations. >=20 > The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a > preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? That would be great. I have familiarity with github, using svn to checkout and commit. So=20 that may be the best choice. Don't forget to include the patches here: ftp://ctm.berklix.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/svn-cur/ From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 17:24:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B1DFED442 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from um-tip2-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu (um-tip2-missouri-out.um.umsystem.edu [198.209.49.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "um-tip1.um.umsystem.edu", Issuer "InCommon RSA Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F8F868CC for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2GILgCuV89b/x840cZjHQEBBQEHBQGBZ?= =?us-ascii?q?QKCA4FlMoNrlDWBaINkk1eBeQELASyEWYUUIT0FDAEDAQECAQECAgJpHQuFZRE?= =?us-ascii?q?6HQEiAiYCBDAVEgQNCAEBgx2CAqdNgS6FO4MUAQeBS4ELhjGEJheCAIE4DIpgg?= =?us-ascii?q?lcCnlAJApBsHYFDAY5slkQCAgICCQIUgW0CDYFVchODKJBWgheKZgGBHgEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2GILgCuV89b/x840cZjHQEBBQEHBQGBZQKCA4FlMoNrlDW?= =?us-ascii?q?BaINkk1eBeQELASyEWYUUIT0FDAEDAQECAQECAgJpHQuFZRE6HQEiAiYCBDAVE?= =?us-ascii?q?gQNCAEBgx2CAqdNgS6FO4MUAQeBS4ELhjGEJheCAIE4DIpgglcCnlAJApBsHYF?= =?us-ascii?q?DAY5slkQCAgICCQIUgW0CDYFVchODKJBWgheKZgGBHgEB?= Received: from ex2-t21.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.31]) by um-tip2-exch-relay.um.umsystem.edu with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2018 12:23:31 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.22) by EX2-T21.um.umsystem.edu (198.209.56.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1531.3; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:23:29 -0500 Received: from EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) by EX2-N14.um.umsystem.edu ([198.209.56.22]) with mapi id 15.01.1531.003; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:23:29 -0500 From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: ctm-src-12 Thread-Topic: ctm-src-12 Thread-Index: AQHUavUdJ103ztUGRkqYDaPnN5XznQ== Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:23:29 +0000 Message-ID: <073cd02f-0937-1494-4341-165c15aca1a6@missouri.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 x-originating-ip: [128.206.49.160] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <5E1DE482F678D947B916E10413D4686F@missouri.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:24:42 -0000 VGhlIGNyZWF0aW9uIG9mIGRlbHRhcyBmb3IgY3RtLXNyYy0xMiBoYXMgc3RhcnRlZC4NCg0KV291 bGQgYW55b25lIHVzZSBjdG0tc3JjLTEyIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdHMgaWYgdGhleSB3ZXJlIGNyZWF0 ZWQ/ From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 17:52:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A743FEE0C6 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CABA488804 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CCDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.204.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9NHqaew028829 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:52:41 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w9NHqVKK035268; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:52:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w9NHqFMi076348; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:52:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201810231752.w9NHqFMi076348@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ctm-src-12 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:23:29 -0000." <073cd02f-0937-1494-4341-165c15aca1a6@missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:52:15 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:52:50 -0000 "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" wrote: > The creation of deltas for ctm-src-12 has started. Nice > Would anyone use ctm-src-12 mailing lists if they were created? I think I would, I have 2 current machines, & its a pain at present maitnaining current in face of openssl & crypto breakage etc, so I'm thinking of stepping back from bleading edge current to a stable. BTW no problem of space on ctm.berklix.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 18:13:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DDEFEEE69; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7225889976; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9NID0pp022434; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9NID0ck022433; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810231813.w9NID0ck022433@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: To: Stefan Esser Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:13:00 -0700 (PDT) CC: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "ctm-users@freebsd.org" , Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste , Warner Losh X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:13:09 -0000 > Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: > > I have no problem turning ctm into a port. But I would appreciate > > advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for converting > > software from the FreeBSD base to a port. If not, I can muddle my way > > through it. But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, > > because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right now. > > Hi Stephen, > > I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to > test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand > that it still may be useful in special situations. > > The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a > preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? Doesnt the project have a place for doing this already? Any commiters ~username/ would work, but is probably not optimal. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 18:18:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A804FF018F; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from mailout02.t-online.de (mailout02.t-online.de [194.25.134.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8B3689C7D; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from fwd22.aul.t-online.de (fwd22.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.127]) by mailout02.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 28FF141A8883; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Stefans-MBP-LAN.fritz.box (rfdqqaZbwh-0CglrTVwDr8D9GsE9zaMsNUy6lQ98Jj4HXxQHSE9OxPyNacPcLaRgLu@[80.128.111.25]) by fwd22.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1gF1Fi-3FkfkO0; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:18:02 +0200 Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: Warner Losh Cc: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Stefan Esser Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=se@freebsd.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFVxiRIBCADOLNOZBsqlplHUQ3tG782FNtVT33rQli9EjNt2fhFERHIo4NxHlWBpHLnU b0s4L/eItx7au0i7Gegv01A9LUMwOnAc9EFAm4EW3Wmoa6MYrcP7xDClohg/Y69f7SNpEs3x YATBy+L6NzWZbJjZXD4vqPgZSDuMcLU7BEdJf0f+6h1BJPnGuwHpsSdnnMrZeIM8xQ8PPUVQ L0GZkVojHgNUngJH6e21qDrud0BkdiBcij0M3TCP4GQrJ/YMdurfc8mhueLpwGR2U1W8TYB7 4UY+NLw0McThOCLCxXflIeF/Y7jSB0zxzvb/H3LWkodUTkV57yX9IbUAGA5RKRg9zsUtABEB AAHNKVN0ZWZhbiBFw59lciAoWWFob28hKSA8c3QuZXNzZXJAeWFob28uZGU+wsCWBBMBCgBA AhsDBwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQSjceplnAvsyCtxUxNH67XvWv31RAUC WvLvqwUJCyUBEwAKCRBH67XvWv31REySCACc6vqcSFQCRyBRc2CV5ZBjbbnTy7VBoXbUS3/c 4Hn8I0YQ39q7//2z8vYsgLeM1mMXL4PUIU/0f0dBAFBLpxV7bntGzyCJls6SeGS/qcQKhqaI 6I7NcWg8OkIJIhUL6q238cS1ql9pU65fyHe0PP8JS08m81PDpX2/4wTE6h2jgYUy55eXRzoF MEjr1S8SSnidsBem27o7iWu9ltJsUtE86071iZlLzbuHv2nvucrjAV9cK9tHrxYT/YiY8QhT L48iWj2xIjLjg1ebmgIFZ2k881we/KTIoUugqOOR1gDSc4qwM8CA388cN3frjtl98CwhAT5T UV8tIDqri+/Z1AKwzsBNBFVxiRIBCACxI/aglzGVbnI6XHd0MTP05VK/fJub4hHdc+LQpz1M kVnCAhFbY9oecTB/togdKtfiloavjbFrb0nJhJnx57K+3SdSuu+znaQ4SlWiZOtXnkbpRWNU eMm+gtTDMSvloGAfr76RtFHskdDOLgXsHD70bKuMhlBxUCrSwGzHaD00q8iQPhJZ5itb3WPq z3B4IjiDAWTO2obD1wtAvSuHuUj/XJRsiKDKW3x13cfavkad81bZW4cpNwUv8XHLv/vaZPSA ly+hkY7NrDZydMMXVNQ7AJQufWuTJ0q7sImRcEZ5EIa98esJPey4O7C0vY405wjeyxpVZkpq ThDMurqtQFn1ABEBAAHCwHwEGAEKACYCGwwWIQSjceplnAvsyCtxUxNH67XvWv31RAUCWvLv qwUJCyUBGQAKCRBH67XvWv31RLnrB/9gzcRlpx71sDMosoZULWn7wysBJ/8AIEfIByRaHQe3 pn/KwE57pB+zFbbQqB7YzeZb7/UUgR4zU2ZbOcEfwDZcHUbj0B3fGRsS3t0uiLlAd8w0sBZb SxrqzjdpDjIbOZkxssqUmvrsN67UG1AFWH9aD24keBS7YjPBS8hLxPeYV+Xz6vUL8fRZje/Z JgiBMIwyj6g2lH/zkdnxBdC0iG1xxJOLTaghMMeQyCdH6ef8+VMyAlAJsMckbOTvx63tY8z7 DFcrnTJfbe1EziRilVsEaK8tTzJzhcTfos+f3eBYWEilxe5HzIhYKJeC7lmsSUcGwa6+9VRg a0ctmi9Z8OgX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:18:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ID: rfdqqaZbwh-0CglrTVwDr8D9GsE9zaMsNUy6lQ98Jj4HXxQHSE9OxPyNacPcLaRgLu X-TOI-MSGID: 4d488592-f23e-411b-b1e6-0e92627d3e95 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:18:13 -0000 Am 23.10.18 um 19:06 schrieb Warner Losh: > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM Stefan Esser > wrote: > > Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: > > I have no problem turning ctm into a port.  But I would appreciate > > advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for converting > > software from the FreeBSD base to a port.  If not, I can muddle my way > > through it.  But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, > > because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right now. > > Hi Stephen, > > I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to > test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand > that it still may be useful in special situations. > > The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a > preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? > > > It's trivial to setup a new repository on github.com/freebsd/ctm > for this purpose. With the right magic, we > could even retain the commit history. I have a complete port (in the sense that it builds, installs, packages), but there are a few details, that should be fixed on that occasion: 1) The man-pages install in man1 for binaries in sbin (--> change to man8) 2) The Makefiles use LIBADD (--> change to use LDADD) 3) The README file contains a reference to CVSUP (--> clean up) I do not have write access to freebsd on Github, and I'd appreciate if it was possible to move the files from src/usr.sbin/ctm there (with history would of course be preferable, but I'm not sure that it is of much use). I could then push my local changes (required to make the port build) to the Github repo (or add a few small patch files to the port). The port Makefile that I have prepared is attached below for reference. Regards, STefan --------------------------------------------------------------------- # $FreeBSD$ PORTNAME= ctm PORTVERSION= 2.0 CATEGORIES= ports-mgmt MAINTAINER= se@FreeBSD.org COMMENT= Create, receive, and apply FreeBSD source updates per mail LICENSE= Beerware LICENSE_NAME= Beerware LICENSE_TEXT= "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42): \ wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you \ can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think \ this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return. Poul-Henning Kamp LICENSE_PERMS= dist-mirror dist-sell pkg-mirror pkg-sell auto-accept USES= tar:txz #USE_GITHUB= yes #GH_ACCOUNT= freebsd do-install: .for f in ctm ctm_dequeue ctm_rmail ctm_smail ${INSTALL_PROGRAM} ${WRKSRC}/${f}/${f} \ ${STAGEDIR}${PREFIX}/sbin .endfor .for f in ctm ctm_rmail ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/${f}/${f}.1 \ ${STAGEDIR}${MAN1PREFIX}/man/man1 # should be man8 .endfor .for f in ctm_dequeue ctm_smail ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/ctm_rmail/ctm_rmail.1 \ ${STAGEDIR}${MAN1PREFIX}/man/man1/${f}.1 # should be man8 .endfor .include From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 18:35:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB4FF0D86 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1915B8ACD8 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id c205so1524351vsd.3 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:35:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dn8eMI5FIsNIyQMUrtXC5mROUJVie0ao+0bQGtivqng=; b=zJVw7FwssO1Rkky1ZCk/WVtNmKd+AU85omhq4PAFhANh7/9FsWtX7oS8oX/jdxiERc mfoZCIAWXPDd9Er6k501333+dNyLATKD858QsTZik59ZQ7LZP6CtIzUHmNn0QiwmajO7 I+yCLbky5MXK/ai9mNEduYwCVctnWJ/b50pQFHV0xoPqbft/QLSQ5XeRsyQ5njhW0dwg HR6mawwFptIFUw6nbC35Kc1S20mX51X/r0tDY9Pz6mHJJNqRLYHistUxvVSLgBb7UKJr bbczz/7/Cwptygi1Gkz/LyteKrWHjE9HB7NicZJzwQeFKd+rZWVd3xoHBUt4/K9sfzuq dGNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dn8eMI5FIsNIyQMUrtXC5mROUJVie0ao+0bQGtivqng=; b=tQ9HoXhlbXZyYnZN2k2C14eV/fihF8mN45nJU7PxS1zzAAEz9n9R/rtOCOLkY38fj+ NOyg2RyHY/Dj0C+cqoRkUaaqi0KFh9u0ynjf31ntsnzO9rvkXSIOY9MbFxt60l59qu/z XZsFmiVCkvsAOSD4LhXv7WYns5EEEZeW629NWmcTtJhF58pQ/uQlJUVG358qYZHE7tlF uR2Cq/dbV2P4NqBj9MIc/eFOVzIea86QheIwTkrefIv/47p0h/NzVsMZ1YEc7MAx3BIi b85Ov37b75hry20ZKTYZCx3UT9qE1JmTC5q67s8ypMrHGdJpSQWqXua/YV/ho0HVLZfm orQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfog+mU/36NLimBrw9aZsLMWyCSA/sUSxuRauFOJZxd9pmX+x36E6 MztNg/XZybMebka0hAeBmCmjMWisQ3VtGKXUJ2iR5+m/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63/bV6kACPjJT4/p3IJCqp4EHi6+tOXBiT9og7KGJ+qf4R0iue8QB1jCHPVn6K3W3oatEALt85B50JqJ4yUlLU= X-Received: by 2002:a67:2704:: with SMTP id n4mr22037192vsn.209.1540319706426; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:35:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201810222132.w9MLVvxC050976@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:34:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: Stefan Esser Cc: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:35:07 -0000 On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 12:18 PM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 23.10.18 um 19:06 schrieb Warner Losh: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM Stefan Esser > > wrote: > > > > Am 23.10.18 um 17:27 schrieb Montgomery-Smith, Stephen: > > > I have no problem turning ctm into a port. But I would appreciate > > > advice on whether there is a standard or easy process for > converting > > > software from the FreeBSD base to a port. If not, I can muddle my > way > > > through it. But give me some time (a few months) to get it done, > > > because the rest of my life is making heavy demands on me right > now. > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I could spend a few hours to perform the conversion to a port and to > > test it. I've a happy CTM user, many years ago, and I can understand > > that it still may be useful in special situations. > > > > The source archive will need to be hosted somewhere. Do you have a > > preference (e.g., on a FreeBSD server, or on Github, Gitlab, ...)? > > > > > > It's trivial to setup a new repository on github.com/freebsd/ctm > > for this purpose. With the right magic, > we > > could even retain the commit history. > > > I have a complete port (in the sense that it builds, installs, packages), > but there are a few details, that should be fixed on that occasion: > > 1) The man-pages install in man1 for binaries in sbin (--> change to man8) > 2) The Makefiles use LIBADD (--> change to use LDADD) > 3) The README file contains a reference to CVSUP (--> clean up) > > I do not have write access to freebsd on Github, and I'd appreciate if it > was possible to move the files from src/usr.sbin/ctm there (with history > would of course be preferable, but I'm not sure that it is of much use). > I can do this. We have many ports that are managed via github. What is your github id? Warner I could then push my local changes (required to make the port build) to > the Github repo (or add a few small patch files to the port). > > The port Makefile that I have prepared is attached below for reference. > > Regards, STefan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > # $FreeBSD$ > > > > > PORTNAME= ctm > PORTVERSION= 2.0 > CATEGORIES= ports-mgmt > > MAINTAINER= se@FreeBSD.org > COMMENT= Create, receive, and apply FreeBSD source updates per mail > > LICENSE= Beerware > LICENSE_NAME= Beerware > LICENSE_TEXT= "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42): \ > wrote this file. As long as you retain > this > notice you \ > can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some > day, > and you think \ > this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return. > Poul-Henning Kamp > LICENSE_PERMS= dist-mirror dist-sell pkg-mirror pkg-sell auto-accept > > USES= tar:txz > > #USE_GITHUB= yes > > > > #GH_ACCOUNT= freebsd > > > > > do-install: > .for f in ctm ctm_dequeue ctm_rmail ctm_smail > ${INSTALL_PROGRAM} ${WRKSRC}/${f}/${f} \ > ${STAGEDIR}${PREFIX}/sbin > .endfor > .for f in ctm ctm_rmail > ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/${f}/${f}.1 \ > ${STAGEDIR}${MAN1PREFIX}/man/man1 # should be man8 > > > > .endfor > .for f in ctm_dequeue ctm_smail > ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/ctm_rmail/ctm_rmail.1 \ > ${STAGEDIR}${MAN1PREFIX}/man/man1/${f}.1 # should > be > man8 > > > .endfor > > .include > From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 19:49:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921F8FF9FFF; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C41B8D225; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CCDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.204.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9NJnGP4031827 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:49:21 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w9NJnBD1036074; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 21:49:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w9NJmYlC078288; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 21:48:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201810231948.w9NJmYlC078288@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Warner Losh cc: Stefan Esser , "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:34:53 -0600." Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 21:48:34 +0200 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:49:28 -0000 A cost(=time)/benefit look on moving ctm from src/ to ports/ : - No tangible architecture benefit (its not like purging an old driver to makes kernel support simpler, or avoiding clashing libs etc) - FreeBSD would shrink 0.028 % of the size of src/ cd /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src du -s -k . # 1223922 du -s -k `find . -type d -name \*ctm\*` 196 ./usr.sbin/ctm 74 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm 12 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_dequeue 44 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail 18 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_smail dc 196 74 12 44 18 + + + + p 344 dc 344000000000 1223922 / p 281063 # then move 9 points xcalc 344 / 1223922 # 0.0002810636 Those who would do the work might want to ponder if 0.028 % is best use of their time, or if more fun & benefit to work on some other part of FreeBSD ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 20:13:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE75BFFB08C; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21CA38E6AF; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w9NKDO6q023343; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w9NKDOQC023342; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201810232013.w9NKDOQC023342@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? In-Reply-To: <201810231948.w9NJmYlC078288@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) CC: Warner Losh , Stefan Esser , "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:13:29 -0000 > A cost(=time)/benefit look on moving ctm from src/ to ports/ : > - No tangible architecture benefit (its not like purging an old driver > to makes kernel support simpler, or avoiding clashing libs etc) > - FreeBSD would shrink 0.028 % of the size of src/ > cd /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src > du -s -k . # 1223922 > du -s -k `find . -type d -name \*ctm\*` > 196 ./usr.sbin/ctm > 74 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm > 12 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_dequeue > 44 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail > 18 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_smail > dc 196 74 12 44 18 + + + + p 344 > dc 344000000000 1223922 / p 281063 # then move 9 points > xcalc 344 / 1223922 # 0.0002810636 > > Those who would do the work might want to ponder if 0.028 % is best use of > their time, or if more fun & benefit to work on some other part of FreeBSD ? At the most/least we should not go very far, the only thing that needs done soon is a gonein(13) commited to head and MFC'ed to stable/12 by thursday. All the other details should wait until a depreication policy revision is completed that includes how to deal with this. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Tue Oct 23 20:21:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBFAFFB63D for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BE18ECBC for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id j13so1024393ual.0 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:21:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rgbDgsqLEzDX1FLEujh197ceWBfJWb19PT+pq9SjjaU=; b=jkufZn7NnMnpllCbMGHnaGre/hrBa/L3k40Ae0dBJmqvp5o7gm/CCCIFenrS5vS/og XLFJQMS441xR7kymRmuYKIw2EHs6R1FTC6zMtGWqSipQ/OebWv9vDBR7YLUJ4V3zBnZH xvd0sG0I8EgpYmVMJiD2x+F7bQVzQ5tUtpc9UMU6sKd8633g4b3SpIPkveroqxvBJlIM e5MFk65lW/+BKYky8Q5PJWxR6dJIxOerz31KmiX4wF0T2OKL5SoASWH+yoKH7Em+nfGj NPwR0kYevRXpnJX7TA/k0XjZQVvcof7AYqo9RajKNNPNLXXyIhJ9NBW/t4ZAL/2EdoH4 OeWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rgbDgsqLEzDX1FLEujh197ceWBfJWb19PT+pq9SjjaU=; b=G73fwlKweef3wvlPlufwc8qKT8ycLzH/lzLfHuPGs/8stl+lHZo40MrNcqshOgkmaT fWYMR+6nKkJfm/w90eP48J6vA4GDA22G7MTTje9neoTi1G9aoIjsuKFQ9DZvbJDVMnjN mJ3y4S7Hjc1Ap5gPhx0LrTy5mszafIYRAAw6wxPWPTvYUmyz/cf94PEUp1ErWBdgVB2V RDwjJJcn5XV4P1r+G39V4hvu6wCWoqek3WFDju30nGtN8kyrfD/zjWKXS+OLzrgArE25 mE9IGvr9vuh89h9z+XFSid0A122lyVa8U2kUzmwxb6hD0OKrUvfZtN4fboNOgCgyig5i q+Yg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohiHn+sZBVz7j+cISj4312kUuPY3Ipq+hOJJigzJWv8o16ho2WF rtEjPJU9z+5kOx/BHzVn5Ezk/V6EC22bJHGYh7m/gb2M X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV618+q7dLbQgP/isggCrUIvfjXI0AvZXRr2G/+N6f606N2Znp/T4FTaiHS7XRzRUEQ8O1E0uEqoQXElaMvWPdkI= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:14a4:: with SMTP id d33mr21661517uae.41.1540326118303; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:21:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201810231948.w9NJmYlC078288@fire.js.berklix.net> <201810232013.w9NKDOQC023342@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201810232013.w9NKDOQC023342@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:21:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , Stefan Esser , "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , ctm-users@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , FreeBSD Current , Ed Maste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:21:59 -0000 On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:13 PM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > A cost(=time)/benefit look on moving ctm from src/ to ports/ : > > - No tangible architecture benefit (its not like purging an old driver > > to makes kernel support simpler, or avoiding clashing libs etc) > > - FreeBSD would shrink 0.028 % of the size of src/ > > cd /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/src > > du -s -k . # 1223922 > > du -s -k `find . -type d -name \*ctm\*` > > 196 ./usr.sbin/ctm > > 74 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm > > 12 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_dequeue > > 44 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_rmail > > 18 ./usr.sbin/ctm/ctm_smail > > dc 196 74 12 44 18 + + + + p 344 > > dc 344000000000 1223922 / p 281063 # then move 9 points > > xcalc 344 / 1223922 # 0.0002810636 > > > > Those who would do the work might want to ponder if 0.028 % is best use > of > > their time, or if more fun & benefit to work on some other part of > FreeBSD ? > > At the most/least we should not go very far, > the only thing that needs done soon is a gonein(13) commited > to head and MFC'ed to stable/12 by thursday. > > All the other details should wait until a depreication policy > revision is completed that includes how to deal with this. > There's no reason at all to wait. We can create the port. We can create the github repo. We can move the history there. We won't be removing it before we have a chance to socialize the removal and give people a chance to cut over. None of this requires a new policy. Everybody agrees we should do it. We shouldn't let some perceived policy get in the way of just moving forward. 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Grimes'" , "'Ed Maste'" , "'FreeBSD Current'" , References: <7288.1540239007@critter.freebsd.dk> <201810222038.w9MKcP4L013243@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <7832.1540241924@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <7832.1540241924@critter.freebsd.dk> Subject: RE: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 21:53:52 +0100 Message-ID: <009a01d46b12$81fe7f70$85fb7e50$@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQGhl4lQMphGAj+Sjvex/i2hCwXaPgKSquXoAnN1lhMBTYVtr6VgWGPA Content-Language: en-gb X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:57:55 -0000 And more importantly a great thanks for ctm from all of us who depended on it for ages ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 22 October 2018 21:59 To: Warner Losh Cc: Rodney W. Grimes ; Ed Maste ; FreeBSD Current ; ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm(1) deprecation in the FreeBSD base system? -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >> > I think Julian Stacy is still running CTM generation ? >> >> Ah, yes, that brought back enough brain cells, confirmed that is who >> I saw with ctm usage. > >Do we need it in base? Or can we make it a port? Absolutely make it a port! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org Wed Oct 24 04:02:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CB1072C71 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 04:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from thoth.sbs.de (thoth.sbs.de [192.35.17.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thoth.sbs.de", Issuer "Siemens Issuing CA Internet Server 2017" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89ACC8006A for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 04:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by thoth.sbs.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9O3rPji001584 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:53:25 +0200 Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.40.130]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w9O3rON7006332; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:53:24 +0200 Received: (from user@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) id w9O3rORv003932; Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:53:24 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" , "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ctm-src-12 Message-ID: <20181024035324.GA87863@bali> References: <073cd02f-0937-1494-4341-165c15aca1a6@missouri.edu> <201810231752.w9NHqFMi076348@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201810231752.w9NHqFMi076348@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 04:02:01 -0000 On Tue, 23-Oct-2018 at 19:52:15 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" wrote: > > The creation of deltas for ctm-src-12 has started. > > Nice > > > Would anyone use ctm-src-12 mailing lists if they were created? > > I think I would, Same here. Thanks! -Andre > I have 2 current machines, & its a pain at present maitnaining current > in face of openssl & crypto breakage etc, so I'm thinking of stepping back > from bleading edge current to a stable. > > BTW no problem of space on ctm.berklix.org > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich. > Brexit referendum stole 3,700,000 Brits votes abroad, inc. 700,000 in EU. > Campaign lies, criminal funding, economy & pound down. Time for an honest ref. > http://exitbrexit.uk https://www.peoples-vote.uk/petition > https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"