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[209.85.223.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z66sm5400426itg.37.2018.03.05.12.36.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-f173.google.com with SMTP id e30so19461088ioc.3; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.107.41.16 with SMTP id p16mr18963005iop.173.1520282162010; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cem@freebsd.org Received: by 10.2.30.149 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:36:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Conrad Meyer Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:36:01 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proposal: deregulate secteam, random team To: FreeBSD Core Team Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 20:36:10 -0000 Well, it's unanimous ;-). What is Core doing about it? Thanks, Conrad From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Mar 5 21:08:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE50F29FF7 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C427F6E306 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7E777F29FF3; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EB1F29FEF for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E42636E304; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (unknown [127.0.1.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3726261C; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (localhost [172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D50163B; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.xzibition.com Received: from mail.xzibition.com ([172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (mail.xzibition.com [172.31.3.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id MFV40-ZvSmsZ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Proposal: deregulate secteam, random team DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.xzibition.com 347DD1636 To: cem@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" References: From: Bryan Drewery Openpgp: id=F9173CB2C3AAEA7A5C8A1F0935D771BB6E4697CF; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan2.asc Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:08:03 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pdQSUFDwUOh4FRakJy9NJ5EHUCNdHS0ea" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:08:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pdQSUFDwUOh4FRakJy9NJ5EHUCNdHS0ea Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="RiSf2BLsV6GI2qbJAUoVv0QWMQzV3w9cQ"; protected-headers="v1" From: Bryan Drewery To: cem@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Proposal: deregulate secteam, random team References: In-Reply-To: --RiSf2BLsV6GI2qbJAUoVv0QWMQzV3w9cQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/2/2018 11:12 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote: > 3. Lift access restrictions on security bugzilla to all src > committers. More security-interested eyeballs can be triaging, > prototyping, reviewing, and evaluating security solutions. I agree with your analysis and that secteam has been a slow broken blackbox for as long as I can remember. However I think the 'opening to all' ideas won't work as we just saw how "trusted" we all really are. We've had developers compromised before as well. Getting on embargoes/NDA will require that we actually have a trusted group of people who can view these issues. I think it's one thing to grant all developers access to Coverity but another to see ones that have been analysed and reported already. Anecdotally, I was mailed about a security bug last year and replied with my suggestions on how to tackle it. Then a few months ago I was given access to the bug and effectively it's on me now to fix it. So I'm seeing how broken it all is. I need to make time to address it, but IMO there is no "security team" that is actively working on bugs. There is only effectively a project manager that is herding people to work on the bugs as needed. We may have some people there that are respected for reviews as well. The slow review problem is very old. We climbed uphill to get Pkg and Poudriere deployed and had all of these overly complex schemes for package signing rather than keeping things simple. I'm happy with where it is but still think TLS for some of the solutions would have been simpler for the first implementation. I don't even remember anymore what tradeoffs we made in Poudriere to get past a security review but it was somewhat informal; let's fix things we know they may complain about (which is good anyway) but in the end I'm not sure a review was actually done for Poudriere and we just moved forward. I forget. I do know tinderbox underwent a grueling review which effectively killed it. I seem to recall for Poudriere that any kind of web server with a server-side application was verboten by secteam at the time but that kind of blanket rule was just unhelpful and lazy. Having a real design discussion about sandboxing/privsepping a web application piece and restricting it from using exec() never happened, only a blanket rule. I'm saying that I agree that we need a more people on the team but we need to be careful about going too far as it may hurt us actually getting into embargoes. Secteam has often seemed to me to be 1 person, maybe 3, who are overly burdened. I think we could split up some of the roles of secteam though. I don't think the security team officer needs to be the one to signoff on every review. I think we could easily just have a mailing list of interested security people who want to review new implementations, like arch@ in a way. As for secret bugs that won't work but the right people could still be brought in as needed. Lastly the lack of status updates on Meltdown/Spectre is an embarrassment. This is not a statement on the implementation or testing time, but only on the project communication about it. --=20 Regards, Bryan Drewery --RiSf2BLsV6GI2qbJAUoVv0QWMQzV3w9cQ-- --pdQSUFDwUOh4FRakJy9NJ5EHUCNdHS0ea Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJanbGzAAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPfUQH/iZgPnHmUG4YK6BiI5hrNFY4 iZHNQ6i1Wu5RtNxuuPxDeWIV5OwkfEWMWVHEeLp+H97/a26ANMHk+DaPyHniKZYE mOq5fkNfQKvba4uTQYxreSeNA07tmJkC21RDoy7ujd6SQ80GQtaL9b9kLfkYPAB2 j/hv8Xy70R6D4srthKMMBA+oogWPKEmpgq8YlzwlYk/TyjTFJcsNhJ0y0IvcypAx UUZyht1lZQVRdvJls7Ah64CVmaaeHUh/lQVuawVtlyrf9Fqdbv+Y6iqnr7phL7vc BXiaHp4pHAQxIgd+Vf7/pAHpBCpfiXrJcPeLNcBR1p6nTFiJYwT8zoBMCGWkxH0= =ot8+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pdQSUFDwUOh4FRakJy9NJ5EHUCNdHS0ea-- From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue Mar 6 18:38:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D2F49AFF for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E44184316 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (unknown [127.0.1.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24518179A2 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.xzibition.com (localhost [172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A548F77 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:38:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.xzibition.com Received: from mail.xzibition.com ([172.31.3.2]) by mail.xzibition.com (mail.xzibition.com [172.31.3.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id jSuWLhQ9p-JD for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Proposal: deregulate secteam, random team DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.xzibition.com D088E8F71 To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> From: Bryan Drewery Openpgp: id=F9173CB2C3AAEA7A5C8A1F0935D771BB6E4697CF; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan2.asc Organization: FreeBSD Message-ID: <54c26d20-7f01-7d29-48dd-ef0ce48bd3ac@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:38:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qaSZkApvf5OzEgNL0Y7kjEYMnOrASAbV1" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 18:38:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qaSZkApvf5OzEgNL0Y7kjEYMnOrASAbV1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="kAR9ccirC442QXaIm15Ow5rSKaAYcYRDp"; protected-headers="v1" From: Bryan Drewery To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Message-ID: <54c26d20-7f01-7d29-48dd-ef0ce48bd3ac@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Proposal: deregulate secteam, random team References: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <49f2eeba-ffb2-11d0-3875-b16a53541a3e@FreeBSD.org> --kAR9ccirC442QXaIm15Ow5rSKaAYcYRDp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/5/2018 1:08 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > I seem to recall for Poudriere that any kind of > web server with a server-side application was verboten by secteam at th= e > time but that kind of blanket rule was just unhelpful and lazy. I should not have used the word "lazy" here. I picked a bad word and should have been more clear that 1 person can never keep up with the demand and must force compromises like this to move forward. In the bigger picture secteam isn't responsible for the cluster systems, clusteradm is. So clusteradm should be the one to enforce what is allowed on their systems rather than the security team since they have to maintain and keep them secure. The security team should be a resource for security reviews but not a final say in all regards. --=20 Regards, Bryan Drewery --kAR9ccirC442QXaIm15Ow5rSKaAYcYRDp-- --qaSZkApvf5OzEgNL0Y7kjEYMnOrASAbV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJanuAZAAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPIA8IAJWj/2qw8yx7Zf0CJS1L7JO1 VsqrOWzySOhIAY10Rx2BOPoY1PD02VvfLmKy6+9ijEQjMOCFZ2bRA4+LLR4ceVKS CexzQ3FBSTv2pV7szT7AEd1iB5Czv0iC1lggPRWLijVy01SkTho/mEA5/106MHWH UY9quVl2E72BmzrJgoNTjz++Y1qk9artbDrX0JVR6WQowMAH2TT6qh0rrjqt1Nk9 Omg06TuyTiWe/++1YNyiPXvbgXBpL3AziBh6wQGc8i6yIsvpvrVRfil+U0MdezHe mgNISemySnvlj78eXCW453uR/2oyT/sfm6KaqCDD4KS+DZf3wxOR6a9XYgaKdSI= =Jbm5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qaSZkApvf5OzEgNL0Y7kjEYMnOrASAbV1-- From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Mar 10 22:13:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C53CF3882F for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from udemusa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66B0862BE for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from udemusa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id i3so9656252wmi.4 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:13:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KrBgUe0oMFCAmXrB7MT0+pOmvJNm8zZMESmkik7OOGY=; b=t5P1RLICtlGEJ7blq7Q320iEdzJfv+X8rFqTjZeYiwppULhZ7/LBFCrB6LUTGoeqE4 8CnyCKU2na4mospSoP1uv+/mOTZINgghxXv5pHXogvqmzFuGu5FM7VQEs71+zVLTCPpC nPMeUy/c+TMwQvAQZYwjokW7ptIPK6tgv8aRPnBkUaSRlHkiStQElpg5spy9SL6/Fboe IvxnA6L8NtDt1GisWdQMSulSkce1nVchprMjNMemAtYP+sLGOUEfcNyYJKD4ZHZikHY/ f+8j6f79rSfR30pm8wDUgPRt1X9Qp4pnpAYNgYiUfm2YFfVWqlOCY1Izon3Q6HNUWKz5 4LRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KrBgUe0oMFCAmXrB7MT0+pOmvJNm8zZMESmkik7OOGY=; b=M6CeAXu++lFdH5n0bPLyNj508OiFCgtjCFonoBn7MvTyYrbPrg5mhGC9FRn+rEIzAF AOeFwIjJj+n56WF/ArcqyJBD5jnbyWX9Y0liabM3Jz7l0UaXXVGuNRhuJjV1cIFbpRvP P0xxhWfSCVwgs04/NQmIrHKhY+JtRc+B6KhF6rZn3rSI4t0b2WSlyU7h4jz/06juSsYF K2DcS2Cp33R2a+Y475RL2lAgewt+E7UThU4efq60jmMQc4sn82qdM80IlK7GJ9xizoeN yMqh1SngKT3PDU26dpRAzpWuvRbymXwRRkfC1s4+yCt3JZzyg/p2zPg4mIUn7xwk+qOP gK9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7FgWN3NM275fv4Uy3IZ0g+RDkPJqNCQaJT8dbKk7Eaj/W0Cwl8E m7EnpM04WsWy0a7bPwJjV6OhTWM/GllRTNqaw3jkrA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELu4NCMPlsyGu+fSJ5Tcoes0Vk3DPOw8XqtPGu+JGn0r/V4gkKYGyV9hKcGeqUCGZafs2t8e2M1B3cWBHARhFe0= X-Received: by 10.80.245.200 with SMTP id x8mr4624790edm.253.1520719997584; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:13:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.232.133 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.80.232.133 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: ude musa Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:13:19 -0000 Updet Johor baharu