From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 20:44:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF40EB878B; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50872689; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083683AEF2; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 12:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:38:19 -0800 Message-ID: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:44:02 -0000 I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, even if the performance is only so-so. Recommendations would be appreciated. P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give me pause... https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 20:54:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBEBEB8F9E for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0250272FC0 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9E420BEC for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:54:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=3mzMma 71uz+mcBC1BAubQDt/slYSpQHLOWNqxE8bIL0=; b=CN0cS15YjJfSj6ZFZ3uB+A +j7VTekfa4tHTGH5yRVvMJgEiIP2/QgClWly3pcSx/m3vgSuTWNiCunjK/BniScz L4qycL63KRngjrB7Z4X21u0zCBB9sp1m3+m4wPNhnP6HnBHtip7pu89oNT0x0uw1 uvx4as2ntkMyGsvK4nXcKux+6AfltUg0mhKBgU9zEANKpdPMSIbRa/t9brum4GwS 9y5ISTtjMB3vt9IBLMzJnu5brTWgSflsJXV1gKwe/6CyOfvEnWed7R7Xreq31yXs o718k2ya3hJiJHshmOv8778Uyh5/OI96Kaq3ukomlr/92GFZs8wpmJQOr3ocldCA == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id E51C69E47D; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1514926448.2768889.1222156224.7C053A4B@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-cc9a457c Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 14:54:08 -0600 References: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? In-Reply-To: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:54:11 -0000 On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it > is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a > minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and > Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. > > I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. > I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, > even if the performance is only so-so. > > Recommendations would be appreciated. > > > P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek > based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill > RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about > Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill > RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give > me pause... > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > > I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, > but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-33-106-033 -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 21:01:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88404EB950E; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E95573532; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o130so12201562itg.0; Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:01:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QGEEwWUENb/jcTsusFIS0Bil8uPU4lYc0otMLf7MHlI=; b=AxhUY8cBAAxcHfMMFFdaLzooGLrOmkWKmcPZ4S5Mth5loB6PyxkA8xRcsisTapjtWo nXeQzyiUYn1Z0/hm474ng1U9afsJ1brP3wUJZegrR86V6cbBuotTKXkbCPtvwsQZ9+ni 7pTLYf0Xft7wn8+fkgvqSnaypsQvKIKrVTJ4IMuYif2ihxDB8m4K7TvlZmE79WGeKcT9 i9dN8zOCQkbk0chWfsQusiE2ga0dKaUpCRO8q3UWg7BOTd6Ps7Fo7OViPGlIhR5K+tEw 1btQ58vy4YbEqyj5ylNnrotZ1eeL2VVZckNVvInWJp9le9p8ap+5DeyoeV+tAxV/gmDs 33pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QGEEwWUENb/jcTsusFIS0Bil8uPU4lYc0otMLf7MHlI=; b=X09tqnKR/5JNxFrOc7M/WXh9bLgqVL9Rxv3nb6RZl/Rhg885B4bVFYa0OYsFjj+3gl ghNt/8ZRTUPKVFysxwTBczjsl2tDpJs8gDVYKgwpm68LENCWIxHB2BtSHGbWMq/vFp1V jhiNKcx+JYf95go/6wchnZA+aa54Pqwy/53Lu+8Q7PYRxUqnzAbmaK9xM5Ip6pKOP9+T qdskcgRMEqDAv5rAzr0k6U6LdR3jM6HUvAW1ZMjbyj/8xZ5rmN9ITQPWOP0HmbbE+dRg QfEvb9iH7ywPos0lHBVZBkS598E6q9XGShNlM/vvg+5MlPG4mXJ81LWazQhuredxP33o fs0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ/i3Rk8mC0TycXzJraFinljlTTcrOAXnpsBaffD8QV8TfIAkag YLuDhtrMAqgYASt1OVe1kqgelniTZKGJ3goH93c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotbpIAibF/7Noaq8o6rxr9S5ghqK6LOL97VeQnQ2hGpNW/hl73HQFTVMzPNq1S7csCLmbahSOol79PIexJJK7Y= X-Received: by 10.36.225.136 with SMTP id n130mr7662210ith.146.1514926894596; Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.180.34 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:01:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:01:35 -0000 On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it > is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a > minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and > Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. > > I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. > I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, > even if the performance is only so-so. > > Recommendations would be appreciated. > > > P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek > based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill > RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about > Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill > RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give > me pause... > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > > I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, > but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( > > You can get an new but older Intel PCI-E from the big retailer in the sky for ~$20USD. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 21:33:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3052EBAC0A; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnllyon@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70516749DD; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnllyon@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a79so184783wma.0; Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7SjbRbldEyOfQAkoAn4pIjZruJl3/+Di5B/hHX8P02w=; b=EwHv4TRA/UTEIpPpDD4wTXoC/2DZSwolYdj2HHtG0GrrA6GoPL4rfjoAgDeoaAnkX6 M4pMfvH3Dp+Ir/7xHt6TcE9VO8rrCjK7NqBZbauBRRNfKBsaRiP1jN1lUWzDlLrhRQcb KYpF8B9ELB2wA1RAutyU/cOr5kGpPJ3pjTZblKd+yxqFfB50Oj6QEVp5BFvYLSDCqydH SUjGRkCLBgsjSwIfTPje/by8LotB1ifQlvoiVeLpohm+xVd8azY0doW+54/lWnbMqp4W VTbcxW3NAFHb/AbCKDX/n+1d+gyaXC3lWpL4mmzTTYaMT6Y5ah20PngeLLzk3b1EZUrI EOEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7SjbRbldEyOfQAkoAn4pIjZruJl3/+Di5B/hHX8P02w=; b=G4gEfoR9C+H5sdKXDRzqz9ex40XaYwr//g/Gl70LrqsTd1mbaq7gWRTrIRsSEugjQj bkfrIvx+NMn/o0+kYEdhPqewRxyw3FmExzuiJd22FPoUmo4TGZ+4eWq03dpPRCslTQ1N 5kczePynRvgvFJLqr9PjqYxaDxRnNDj6FvVxaCq/69NWQFeTAoZBNB5HWkZWCa0u2fQL y6qenjjYtkKV3XZ11vN07jJtzegHtjEugva+lWbnQFW4hiQAtM0U3iEwkFYbSyM4JWo3 WikHIOYQKtqNRPPK92SrZpBx9gHMT5//3rbo5hg5/kwa0WzXRI8Lbr5/+J/ImtP87Rr3 04Kw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI+Mk3gUyYcc3ALBUv4MonsEaY9POyRhf+3T/pvoAI8icKwovru KTLZ0iZrcrpnZr5I/JpwV9Xxe1/K5XLTQzkoTRqEMTjL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoum/qo7kVFJf2SXORU+pf3/Iz97bp7+aDUTJZEveRFBbBB+c9dIB1/lKaiAgxTSp7qiqw4aeKnG73utFbg4OJs= X-Received: by 10.80.137.154 with SMTP id g26mr63069551edg.146.1514928807819; Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:33:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.211.20 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:33:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: John Lyon Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:33:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:33:30 -0000 Work and work well are two very different things. :-) What's your use case? If this is for a home box, developer box, or something that is not "enterprise production," then I wouldn't worry about RealTek cards bought in the last 5 years. Their 10/100 cards from 15 years ago were crap, which is how they earned their bad reputation. However, the continuing dismissiveness towards RealTek is mostly undeserved in my opinion. The issue currently is the state of the drivers themselves and not the cards. For example, the drivers themselves that FreeBSD includes have problems. However, you can always download the source code to the latest FreeBSD drivers from the RealTek website and all of the "bugs" disappear. For example, using the included FreeBSD drivers on my firewall/router (which uses RealTek NICS), I would get mysterious watchdog timeouts in my system logs and eventual disconnects from the WAN. The only way to reconnect was to reboot. The disconnect would occure every few days to a week when processing more than ~200 Mb of sustained traffic. After downloading, compiling, and installing the latest drivers available on the RealTek website, my problems disappeared. I can now route at sustained gigabit speeds. But this is true of any piece of hardware - you use old or bad drivers and you get bad results. You use newer drivers with the bugs worked out, you get better performance. A large part of the reason why Intel NICS are so beloved and perform so admirably is that the quality of their drivers is much higher. That said, if you're cost sensitive, buy your NICS used. There are lots of suppliers that take decommissioned servers and sell them for parts. The NICS might not be new, they might not even be manufactured anymore, but they are perfectly serviceable. Last time I checked, the going rate for used Intel NICS was something like $10 per port + shipping. I think used Broadcom NICS were similar in pricing. Both have good driver support for both FreeBSD and Linux out of the box, so you don't have to worry about the hassle of downloading, compiling, and installing newer drivers from source. -------------------------------- John L. Lyon PGP Key Available At: https://www.dropbox.com/s/skmedtscs0tgex7/02150BFE.asc On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it > is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a > minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and > Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. > > I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. > I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, > even if the performance is only so-so. > > Recommendations would be appreciated. > > > P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek > based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill > RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about > Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill > RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give > me pause... > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > > I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, > but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 21:53:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CE6EBB7ED; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:53:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3D97553E; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 21:53:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7DA71804B; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:34:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org References: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:34:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:53:21 -0000 On 01/02/18 14:38, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it > is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a > minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and > Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. I have Intel and Broadcom ethernet chips on several servers that run FreeBSD. They are supported under Linux and MS Widows as well. Valeri > > I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. > I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, > even if the performance is only so-so. > > Recommendations would be appreciated. > > > P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek > based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill > RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about > Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill > RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give > me pause... > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > > I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, > but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Tue Jan 2 23:14:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A11EBE799; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 23:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 244007821A; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 23:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w02NEtvs093503; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w02NEtfK093502; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201801022314.w02NEtfK093502@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? In-Reply-To: <14197.1514925499@segfault.tristatelogic.com> To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:14:55 -0800 (PST) CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:14:58 -0000 > > I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it > is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a > minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and > Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. > > I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. > I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, > even if the performance is only so-so. > > Recommendations would be appreciated. > > > P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek > based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill > RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about > Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill > RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give > me pause... > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > > I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet card, > but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( I would seek the used channel, you can easily get good Intel chip based nics that just tend to work everywhere, are 10/100/1000, for well under $20 shipped, and often close to $10.00. ebay is the source. Se the em(4) man page for a good list of chips and cards. These well outwork and outperform any realtek card you might find, I have used realtek when it is a builtin, or for simple testing. The 8111 gigabit chips seem to work well everyplace I have used them. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 16:12:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD8E87B5C for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AEC679A52 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [10.146.132.75] (82-132-247-236.dab.02.net [82.132.247.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w03FnNgX018346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:49:24 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <380D1F36-E01A-4F6F-B327-62AD6AF5C2D9@fjl.co.uk> References: <380D1F36-E01A-4F6F-B327-62AD6AF5C2D9@fjl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Fwd: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:42:47 +0000 To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org." Message-ID: <1C968843-F1A3-4D95-B4FB-81D86BD32F82@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:12:59 -0000 -------- Original Message -------- From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Sent: 2 January 2018 21:21:32 GMT+00:00 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? On 2 January 2018 20:38:19 GMT+00:00, "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > >I need to buy a PCI-E ethernet card. It won't really matter if it >is 10/100/1000 or just 10/100 but it has to work with FreeBSD at a >minimum. It would be Nice if it was also supported by Linux and >Windoze7, but that isn't really critical. > >I'm a serious cheapskate, so I'd like to spend as little as possible. >I don't need anything super-deluxe. Whatever is cheapest will be fine, >even if the performance is only so-so. > >Recommendations would be appreciated. > > >P.S. The small amount of research I just now did suggests that Realtek >based cards should be avoided, but one reviewer said that the Rosewill >RC-411v3 works just fine on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what to think about >Realtek-based cards now. The price is right (for me) on the Rosewill >RC-411v3, but various online threads (relating to Realtek chips) give >me pause... > >https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/60033/ > >https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55861/ > >I really can't see blowing fifty bucks on a simple, low-end ethernet >card, >but everything inexpensive seems to be Realtek-based. :-( Nothing wrong with Realtek at all. They are well supported. Some people are sniffy about them as the driver can't offload protocol stuff to the hardware. This makes a big difference if you have a server with lots of traffic on several interfaces. One card at 100Mbps, however, won't max out your CPU. You probably won't even measure a difference if you tried looking. I actually use them for WOL because the drivers work more reliability, even thought I switch to Broadcomm or Intel for the heavy lifting once it's booted. See my blog for further. Its a pity you're not in London. I have loads of NICs going spare. Can't get cheaper than that! -- Sent from my Cray X/MP with small fiddling keyboard. -- Sent from my Cray X/MP with small fiddling keyboard. From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 19:22:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6FBEAB335; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 19:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DAF289D; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32F83AEF8; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:22:51 -0800 Message-ID: <18791.1515007371@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 19:22:54 -0000 I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the suggestions and insight. I think that I'll end up buying a used Intel PCI-E gigabit card off of Fleabay, and that ought to do it. From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 20:13:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD0EEAD36C; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 20:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D489D63CF2; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 20:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34703AEF8; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:13:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 12:13:31 -0800 Message-ID: <18959.1515010411@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 20:13:34 -0000 In message , John Lyon wrote: >What's your use case? If this is for a home box, developer box, or >something that is not "enterprise production," then I wouldn't worry about >RealTek cards bought in the last 5 years. Their 10/100 cards from 15 years >ago were crap, which is how they earned their bad reputation. However, the >continuing dismissiveness towards RealTek is mostly undeserved in my >opinion. This is just for my home network. Not "mission critical", but I don't want my equipment being eternally flaky, of course. And I am not enthused about the possibility of having to frequently build and/or install a new driver that isn't in the stock FreeBSD releases. >The issue currently is the state of the drivers themselves and not the >cards. For example, the drivers themselves that FreeBSD includes have >problems. However, you can always download the source code to the latest >FreeBSD drivers from the RealTek website and all of the "bugs" disappear. Hummm... Am I being naive to ask why, if there are better drivers available, they do not get rolled into -CURRENT? >That said, if you're cost sensitive, buy your NICS used. Oh yes! This is for a "new" system build for which I am buying everything as used parts. Depending on which specific motherboard I decide to go with, I may or may not have a good old fashioned PCI slot to work with on the motherboard. If I do, then I'm good, because as I discovered last night, I have/had, sitting inside a box of old parts up on my top shelf, no fewer than four (4) Realtek cards, two (2) Intel cards, two (2) Netgear cards, one (1) HP card, and even one ancient 3Com 3C509B card. (I'm pretty sure that all of these are 10/100 cards. They are definitely all PCI.) The problem is that all these cards are verging on being obsolete now, because many newer motherboards... and even ones that are several years old now... have dropped the old fashioned PCI slots altogether (e.g. ASUS B85M-G). >Last time I checked, the going rate for >used Intel NICS was something like $10 per port + shipping. I think used >Broadcom NICS were similar in pricing. Really? Where? I checked on FleaBay and as far as -Intel- PCI-E cards, the best I could find was about $12 USD. I don't know how to search FleaBay for Broadcom-based cards, because I don't know any relevant model numbers (or even manufacturer names). From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 20:28:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EA5EADCF3; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 20:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnllyon@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF7CA64C2B; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 20:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnllyon@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 64so4701815wme.3; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 12:28:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0WkRpcdny6UWxs8fVkTGADpT/JrU3601QqC9F50SQTU=; b=PqAfmyiAQ6gKnYrC8GhgMbiQIh9fGyQiCv6MuS6+Y3/z+vooCxQJvfdBoOpmnE0IFO uPD3o8ErKvAyKheYuxTye7isxbZdrElZILgspAZHWF0Oq0LNTbfaewFg2GWZKuuQ9oKm wdU/B1R3mgXFYcHkLDecXmfj0kp89vo5s99bS+ebZdIRDFnIr5VUEM+tzxh+T77roy/b jF90LpObn0gY3OakqfTPHmmXEm5BR8kAcbAZr2NoRRh+mDBl5JyrADQW5xu+monOknpX JJ7knN1s0V+gwn5FqVD6vsSU7u3TWfkQc/V99+U3CMMnEM0XosqrppR0+PWrqL56LmTe N5Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0WkRpcdny6UWxs8fVkTGADpT/JrU3601QqC9F50SQTU=; b=Y5nGOdqaAHbCcw2NtGrgOX8VenBUX3/moROnGh3C2cKZju6ORU0VNaqZxqnlv6BbQA dFLOXOp7hhupzUgw06+gwWL0f070lsZI8Q9PDdwrjdIivhIrLENI/qD9TJEoiuJgMCf+ cupsRgak09jN6DQS+TTFqSYjhdDZt8lUIODj+3xrdXQc1nZJN7/JLtZqwA6l+0eam+Au +89tm62In1kthROew1XwM3ET65ak4wQDBhF+E951MO+/g8i57YWeswH6MhmzOi4IeZHb UKBjRFyybWJ0mk9idgIwfYEb9m8AYuMUSWJvjgs/GNnGM7Lxfn/rU55NTJPWYjzWuvtG Boag== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKW5hiTYnHaETqUm187/wRfC6fVJqrDip070LIHN802DiZsluRT gFpFwSL9O3PPSes61h5iESzDsI2LNRz8RYccbfI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosECe/b+p38rJlLo4DN7xXo3ZmJr/4j1ONlCKycg9dl95g+UUTCgssuDHCL3ZkvGROVdaUoLNrsl91KxNhA+Z0= X-Received: by 10.80.184.52 with SMTP id j49mr4154388ede.160.1515011282320; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 12:28:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.211.20 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:27:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18959.1515010411@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <18959.1515010411@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: John Lyon Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:27:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 20:28:04 -0000 To answer your first question, the better drivers might be in -CURRENT but I would never know as I run -RELEASE/STABLE. :-) However, I can think of any number of possibilities (one, some, or none of which may be true), including: - Licensing incompatibilities - Regressions for older hardware (I can confirm based on personal experience that the latest vendor drivers perform worse on my ~10 year old RealTek cards than the FreeBSD supplied drivers) - Lack of awareness (the RealTek website lists their drivers as being for FreeBSD 8.x but they are really for 11.x and RealTek just never updated their site) - Other reasons known to those more knowledgeable. For your second question, my pricing information is a few years old. When I searched, I was looking on Ebay and Amazon for used parts. I would not be surprised if there were a slight ($1-$2) price inflation between then and now. -------------------------------- John L. Lyon PGP Key Available At: https://www.dropbox.com/s/skmedtscs0tgex7/02150BFE.asc On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message ail.com>, > John Lyon wrote: > > >What's your use case? If this is for a home box, developer box, or > >something that is not "enterprise production," then I wouldn't worry about > >RealTek cards bought in the last 5 years. Their 10/100 cards from 15 > years > >ago were crap, which is how they earned their bad reputation. However, > the > >continuing dismissiveness towards RealTek is mostly undeserved in my > >opinion. > > This is just for my home network. Not "mission critical", but I don't want > my equipment being eternally flaky, of course. And I am not enthused about > the possibility of having to frequently build and/or install a new driver > that isn't in the stock FreeBSD releases. > > >The issue currently is the state of the drivers themselves and not the > >cards. For example, the drivers themselves that FreeBSD includes have > >problems. However, you can always download the source code to the latest > >FreeBSD drivers from the RealTek website and all of the "bugs" disappear. > > Hummm... Am I being naive to ask why, if there are better drivers > available, > they do not get rolled into -CURRENT? > > >That said, if you're cost sensitive, buy your NICS used. > > Oh yes! This is for a "new" system build for which I am buying everything > as used parts. Depending on which specific motherboard I decide to go > with, > I may or may not have a good old fashioned PCI slot to work with on the > motherboard. > > If I do, then I'm good, because as I discovered last night, I have/had, > sitting > inside a box of old parts up on my top shelf, no fewer than four (4) > Realtek > cards, two (2) Intel cards, two (2) Netgear cards, one (1) HP card, and > even > one ancient 3Com 3C509B card. (I'm pretty sure that all of these are > 10/100 > cards. They are definitely all PCI.) > > The problem is that all these cards are verging on being obsolete now, > because > many newer motherboards... and even ones that are several years old now... > have > dropped the old fashioned PCI slots altogether (e.g. ASUS B85M-G). > > >Last time I checked, the going rate for > >used Intel NICS was something like $10 per port + shipping. I think used > >Broadcom NICS were similar in pricing. > > Really? Where? > > I checked on FleaBay and as far as -Intel- PCI-E cards, the best I could > find > was about $12 USD. > > I don't know how to search FleaBay for Broadcom-based cards, because I > don't > know any relevant model numbers (or even manufacturer names). > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 21:23:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C6AEB0144 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCB3E674B7 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-141-21-123.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.21.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w03LNKaP086726 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:23:22 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <18959.1515010411@segfault.tristatelogic.com> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <2f610e49-f61e-6b09-246a-2c6db1e601d1@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:23:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 21:23:32 -0000 On 03/01/2018 20:27, John Lyon wrote: > - Lack of awareness (the RealTek website lists their drivers as being > for FreeBSD 8.x but they are really for 11.x and RealTek just never updated > their site) IME NIC drivers work pretty well across releases, including moving the latest ones back to earlier kernels. Compile the .ko and away you go. This is, of course, an observation and not a recommendation. From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 21:51:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D3CEB1134; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69681681E2; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w03LpC3d098173; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w03LpCtO098172; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201801032151.w03LpCtO098172@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? In-Reply-To: <18959.1515010411@segfault.tristatelogic.com> To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:51:12 -0800 (PST) CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 21:51:21 -0000 > > In message , > John Lyon wrote: > > >What's your use case? If this is for a home box, developer box, or > >something that is not "enterprise production," then I wouldn't worry about > >RealTek cards bought in the last 5 years. Their 10/100 cards from 15 years > >ago were crap, which is how they earned their bad reputation. However, the > >continuing dismissiveness towards RealTek is mostly undeserved in my > >opinion. > > This is just for my home network. Not "mission critical", but I don't want > my equipment being eternally flaky, of course. And I am not enthused about > the possibility of having to frequently build and/or install a new driver > that isn't in the stock FreeBSD releases. > > >The issue currently is the state of the drivers themselves and not the > >cards. For example, the drivers themselves that FreeBSD includes have > >problems. However, you can always download the source code to the latest > >FreeBSD drivers from the RealTek website and all of the "bugs" disappear. > > Hummm... Am I being naive to ask why, if there are better drivers available, > they do not get rolled into -CURRENT? > > >That said, if you're cost sensitive, buy your NICS used. > > Oh yes! This is for a "new" system build for which I am buying everything > as used parts. Depending on which specific motherboard I decide to go with, > I may or may not have a good old fashioned PCI slot to work with on the > motherboard. > > If I do, then I'm good, because as I discovered last night, I have/had, sitting > inside a box of old parts up on my top shelf, no fewer than four (4) Realtek > cards, two (2) Intel cards, two (2) Netgear cards, one (1) HP card, and even > one ancient 3Com 3C509B card. (I'm pretty sure that all of these are 10/100 > cards. They are definitely all PCI.) > > The problem is that all these cards are verging on being obsolete now, because > many newer motherboards... and even ones that are several years old now... have > dropped the old fashioned PCI slots altogether (e.g. ASUS B85M-G). > > >Last time I checked, the going rate for > >used Intel NICS was something like $10 per port + shipping. I think used > >Broadcom NICS were similar in pricing. > > Really? Where? > > I checked on FleaBay and as far as -Intel- PCI-E cards, the best I could find > was about $12 USD. > > I don't know how to search FleaBay for Broadcom-based cards, because I don't > know any relevant model numbers (or even manufacturer names). ebay search for broadcom gigabit I see some Dell cards, dual port, $9.95 And some single ports at $4.99 These are shipped prices. Some people cuss at Broadcom, some people swear by them. I don't own any of there cards, but I have never had problems with the inbuilt broadcom nics in any of my dell servers. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Wed Jan 3 21:57:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549F6EB1637 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EED4968665 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host86-141-21-123.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.21.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w03LvnKA093823 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:57:50 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Recommendations for cheap PCI-E network adapter ? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <201801032151.w03LpCtO098172@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <160d1204-412c-5a35-04be-76d5252fa77f@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:57:57 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201801032151.w03LpCtO098172@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 21:57:54 -0000 On 03/01/2018 21:51, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Some people cuss at Broadcom, some people swear by them. I don't own > any of there cards, but I have never had problems with the inbuilt > broadcom nics in any of my dell servers. I've been using Broadcom for years, integrated on Dell motherboards, and they're fast and reliable. HOWEVER, there are long-term problems with the driver and WoL. If that's not important to you, it doesn't matter. They're (theoretically) faster than Realtek and better bang per buck than Intel IME. https://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2013/freebsd-wake-on-lan-and-hp-microservers-wol-compatible-ethernet/ Regards, Frank. 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