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From owner-freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Thu Aug 2 20:21:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DD6104ED86 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x244.google.com (mail-io0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27B227A639 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x244.google.com with SMTP id q19-v6so3128952ioh.11 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7G+P0nqh5TTYT8lhYuusf32FxmpKyw96FJdwW72k3QY=; b=fddmjfThuFcrfjo5zotrx9c8imXc05uZv0ladvAlB5Xi1wbcpyzqlrPXX2fJjF0nIk Z+s0886AeUME9Xlxx4Jn9tV/HAxDG1AWFZejljHNCBIkAG6IsfNjVSzySHO+j7stbuJQ fIG1ckFZK9cmtgLDtDFlSCVlInBeLKNQDCxPTkZB93u25GFnVNcTsWnfkLrRx1Gh/Xz/ E0i+Lt3Pv8uCW4TrrTi71CohwmFDiKLXibdyG0vtUQmy8Cc94V3GREZg7I2A0+eyYjoM aCSdXcGu4ACxNidVX4vlKRmnzSJQLDl8i4hZ9I1SG+s8KP8KiZRpEhRPf2JF1/rQaCk6 oPUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7G+P0nqh5TTYT8lhYuusf32FxmpKyw96FJdwW72k3QY=; b=BF+VYHVbmmT4lkydvZhe07N8mghr1BG1X5dQNyCafjpDHqHj57934QWr1fe8Tq0XLY Wd8VGlvFC7aHsxh7XjjH9H0VFbxw/HEZph71N97unDHCfpV3xnbPidYLd1xpP50JvZ37 1Sbj3gsjjr15jwbYu7zJpb3qHdZeITTx1VchGpx9PbHLchz4OUZ0+IChUWMWNXLuoSYb 1yjz4Jbm9oU5uaykoeNNmu9ONFsS0KQeApZcNxBt0GozZGhriLEZowaJouOrYw1+G9R1 MgNfgqd8dkqKe1nnx4FHKLlVosmXI4alNumyx2LUCWorL0CiIhLYTTBiYCKZWhDE7H+3 AASQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFrgvHHj5ZK+29ylvZvOMGrY1JPg7LAAmuE+vATl7ugl91NjO0K EsR7hCkRgqEY0s5XI1fURvbMM2lbKr6wDrHGNnICyZPVBzY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfV5Rzi23Q/LzF3ZtIxkchA74rLqlDwKtGyvL5/ck23UvHVxK+C0LqmWfXZx80to5PcS7dipHClLJ7cn+22SVY= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:c8c8:: with SMTP id y191-v6mr3766056iof.295.1533241305098; Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7781:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2018 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> From: grarpamp Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 21:40:10 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:21:47 -0000 > I've asked for this but the answer is > "no we don't do that.. and have no plans to". What is the rationale? Or is another model of pkg build, distribution, and archiving coming? It seems no more would be needed than - an update to release / handbook / mirror info noting their status as "final, to be removed [to archives] on date + timeframe", say 1 year. - simple sysadmin on pkg / web side as part of each quarter activity. - some storage space. - obviously they are the final builds of the branch, thus frozen. Anything else / prereqs missing to doing that? In addition to the earlier reasons... 'packages /latest' trails 'repo HEAD' so it's a fairly linear turnover. Yet /quarterly gets a massive bump when the branches swap out from underneath it. So one could also see where enterprise and other pkg users might be expecting a similar progression in /quarterly, and to manually cutforward, not automatic large whack at once. Those production bumps can hurt. So they might choose to track repo_conf /yyyyQn and trial the new quarter before moving to it. It just seems that the final builds on those quarterly branches should be left online for a while, instead of just ...poof...GONE. ie: with pkg, this should work for a year or so... /.../repo_conf: url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/2018Q2" Some labels could also be added for use in pkg's repo_conf... /last_quarter - simpler than dealing with the date, alternately: /prev_quarter /this_quarter - same as today's /quarterly /head - unlikely due to build / mirror times and other factors /yyyyQn - expose these for manual tracking and cutforward, and the validation purposes below [bcc for thread ref] On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 22/7/18 5:59 am, grarpamp wrote: >> >> Packages are delivered via a single quarterly label here >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/ >> >> which corresponds to the latest quarterly branch label here >> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/?sortby=date#dirlist >> >> >> However, similar to how the tags here >> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/?sortby=date#dirlist >> >> are archived here >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/ >> as these >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/release_[n] >> >> >> The last "ie: final" builds of each quarterly branch before they >> roll over should also be moved off into their own archived >> quarterly directories as > > > I've asked for this but the answer is "no we don't do that.. and have no > plans to". > Which is a putty as it means you need to make your own snapshots if you want > to have any reproducability. > It no linger matters to me as we now roll all our own packages from source > (we have private OS changes > that make this a requirement), but it was a sore point for many years. > > >> >> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/yyyyQ[n] >> >> For example /quarterly/ should be repointed from 2018Q2 >> to 2018Q3, leaving 2018Q2 as a live "pkg" accessible archive. >> >> >> Eventually all such archives could be moved to historical >> archive server under typical release support expiry periods. >> >> >> This would also serve critical purpose as an independant >> original remote repository for validating local package / file >> signatures against compromise, corruption, loss. >> >> >> For example, does the last 2018Q2 (or older ones) still exist >> anywhere for users to reference and use? > > no. From owner-freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Fri Aug 3 21:27:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6791B105203C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x244.google.com (mail-it0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08CED765B6 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x244.google.com with SMTP id d10-v6so10169184itj.5 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 14:27:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5JpggkLCbwVA5B0GiVzhXa/VM5RalaAaUOVXR3vNsXU=; b=NYM/5H3FcRab9zmy8HACYp6rVPG8bJqTZwiPMnAO2gvfYM//cdCm+Nt+3uCCYqurKx gFUOMhpQYFxWvi+hCy7+rpgkFJk/7EwNLrW7BusSv28/i5c1BXvLgkU8XU37Y3i8GuFG 5DVtiTDBzkWA2iCq2Aatvqy4Bzl5aKqCz9Es5xfzuwe2085KrdDLtjF8ojFx0dycjSwU 69TbCFo804zB52nEMpDwuSB8iEW3vHlT6WJjNeDeD0vtBhbKWLeZrL1whYPU6vAALapU gbopSJZRXAu2ewF2f9TMcGxRAjRNjgKQHSaSnplYlWQvXyv+dfuNcZ8FwBQVu9Sm9rsm j6pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5JpggkLCbwVA5B0GiVzhXa/VM5RalaAaUOVXR3vNsXU=; b=rNcKbMpV3qrjMKFJ/pB4oqukeekMUWqacQGiHNhAjozOp5aEm2esewn6V/lHsnIevg SXodFH8vrG5EFE/O3rFU0Nj8q+OCjLmnVHydi85if7zo3dORTyLcaRaa95Bqu8n6A3ve kL4TYWGXFotn1UdiOSkVAFmP+t7Uj86ftJ7vbtwr9iff0iWBMzZ8spx01IfEaaEk5C2O PqW3LxkGYy7mhSM2Rn26HaBArra03kKW7WPvS1iTPRVNmK8BogGNiFniVRpoi3JWmEG1 +RWonzC/RxetlsGxHTc4pcxkSS9aNp8OJNHT0FUlTVi4N927UgHxLBMunA2xc2XeB2mN /Yow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGl+K/FDxuaMv/hohU8nkxPcB+8DUkzjibHrnJiWaTy8E7NDnks 49kWMMFwLfFwqmOYsSrWUG0vKk88KNLhcpDhj6s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpc9ZJg6od+iYw3ZjC16/8saLUQX/3ntfg+8t67geCKAlcYFBeAFtgYOBRnRh9Qp2eKJ6lRwvBdP95ucG11vvZM= X-Received: by 2002:a24:cc07:: with SMTP id x7-v6mr7776090itf.3.1533331675958; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 14:27:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7781:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2018 14:27:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1409764431.113.1533291426014@localhost> References: <34cb48da-1f15-1610-966d-1e30314f7665@freebsd.org> <1409764431.113.1533291426014@localhost> From: grarpamp Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:27:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Archives of last quarterly package builds? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:41:22 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:27:57 -0000 > And many 10s of GB which we would be forcing all the mirrors to carry > (and remember, *N archs *n OSVERSIONS). > This has been cited as a stopper in the past. There's enough slack to pull down at least one new quarter, how deep that slack goes hasn't been chimed in on but this was copied out to hubs@. However on the plus side, one could easily imagine a program where mirrors could receive HW / donations from the foundation... 4TiB is only $100. They're static reference copies, already transferred, and only maintained for a year or so, so usage, thus bandwidth should be low. For the previous quarters, squelching the web index in dir '/All' exposing them only to pkg from pkg metadata, and to rsync module... is further possible. And the last final pkg build "pkg /latest" for each major version num "... 8 9 10 11 12 13 ..." should probably also be kept on archive rsync server for years like the iso's and distfiles. > Keeping archives also means keeping packages with security vulnerabilities. > Why would somebody put that on the internet? Why would FreeBSD or any other OS put all their old vulnerable release ISO's, and keep old vulnerable commits in their repos, on the internet. Lots of reasons, many noted in this thread.