From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 01:28:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E0B10B5040 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 01:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic301-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic301-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D86879AAA for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 01:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: ToSkLJsVM1k1UlKUOOKKzcyNwmVDFCk2FVycQpKDyWmPNp9HyYfeCNq.qGFi3LA dL_Lgz80o41xawvWqOitGT7BKT3AWZt4CUAQsoWuXgBQWrSO6Sg8ecYVjzt9Fua3AccQcL6SQLaa iQTkd2398LdIBe0VKFGS94wH3kcIUBd4HBMYMqj3oFl6lwuI9PLijZf1AgMsWGe8QV3XuBycYGlv IKzpbVutj.qGKvGATzBv2Tc.4JY_2pVrPJ01OLOadUzQhKTHXEgORbc02So8zGkRycVgsh4cvjCn 8iwBiWAO_k5r5NZLa_AHxvfSgMt0XOfW2nEs_ZiDRfPUublebe6_JUVBRWHDqXapv87XvBLX953O cRp_hF9TMQ577a4bq8ATIziea6IjQcfhuc6oSjIMKIj2fnaXgS8_7JxPe0NWSj12sqhzglKDel1K 6rS1RteGIEO8pWoj9WMWHNbkr2STdqEHZG5MjjO2ugdLpyza5VSIVYk701XiEV1Thb0NpzaR5arG OQUkuo.R1kYsie6Np_t8spyYI6ROJedM50.khVJF59VBE2xQIKUkc_4A3UBOn5s.bId4JdsVVxJ9 do5oXpSHh9Cv47YXNh.8N26LavJihnxEiv_V3ivHAY4fnjyitGCYh9J9980JMRmVxTL5bRINwvLr 19RbSPs0sRDEAB7VeiXjbOeB5iGMMX3tDoveFPOTFYmPZf8qxjvihLgVqQ2Uf3E1uCTS.jIEZE24 Q71XvD1LzGZe9ZK6pebl6kNo_iLW1N.cc.W_uKMz1ioBmPVUujmYjl49MxLg3eOQZLbic.ptwEfq 5A1SuB1pUFxE10ABRgN2yBV6ABwvtEuauzqa4plxpDBsri89YigGCi8gCL7XTP6eEK7dCYN34G_c pFc0o7uJwxohfW2csKxRym9xjuNkCPmZ_pQ97QB0DYSU3HOYc1_Ox5VNkrVhKqe23nO.IW5d2bm. 4WflxvgMdxX0Z4w.SqLQni15QV4te0URK6GwU48NTznzlUjayZQCU3tn2aDyScIOzlPMZ4g.oJLN cys.TJhO825je8YNH_aedo1HnCZC6wfgoQMdTWuYCO91oNQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 01:27:57 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp414.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8cea2e34adbb732f1cdd7de21269ac4e for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 01:27:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-Id: <93B37DB3-331A-4C94-BF1E-BFDC5D066A53@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:27:53 -0700 To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 01:28:03 -0000 https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2018-October/019167.html talks about removing 10Mbit/100Mbit ethernet drivers. This is not an objection to the proposal, just an FYI. As I remember all the PowerMac/PowerBook/iMac/iBook G3's did not have 1GBit Ethernet built-in: just 10Mbit and 100Mbit. Also the earliest G4's did not (e.g., AGP's and 350 MHz PCI), including the PowerPC Mac-mini's. (All the G5's had 1Gbit Ethernet as I remember.) I'm not sure which FreeBSD drivers covered the various examples of lacking 1Gbit Ethernet. The proposal may be eliminating built-in-ethernet support for (some of) the oldest of the Apple PowerPC machines for all I know. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 02:12:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A1C10B8813 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazuok@projectkitsune.com) Received: from sender-op-o12.zoho.com (sender-op-o12.zoho.com [135.84.80.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E904E7C6E5 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kazuok@projectkitsune.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1538619126; cv=none; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; b=Sf0vtFyGWgfRIavv79znQbx1SiAsIoRh2Hs808JJ/zd+sMYSk/m/5pShy2nceNbkRzGa0y2/CH/26ZkK2o7CNUa8+fGcVR2RrGKODpIxaI6TC/KexetcS+5e4H6bENpKyhp5M7ozXOTtUdNORz8llBeey4DqgvsZvCYBT0kav7I= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; t=1538619126; h=Content-Type:Date:From:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:To:ARC-Authentication-Results; bh=8KgghbS2Whp7tBeNHkdX03R179v/RB+c0AhJ4/hFRjE=; b=Hiv5lGe7kznmCliUXGHbkEl3Q7OqyEa8OjCpsBW9sf/D+KI7FJ6wKVfTGUix/8Bl25f/0bUh0adUi4tnqxkA97QP8jji1kJCD3oBYceX+zdJxSruYp78Rk2fBRjvQ2Ra2K1Z57XCoKpt9VjdTrRgK6yfkVL0xVdlDUg9Fgni6Wo= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zoho.com; dkim=pass header.i=projectkitsune.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=kazuok@projectkitsune.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1538619126; s=zmail; d=projectkitsune.com; i=kazuok@projectkitsune.com; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; l=2723; bh=8KgghbS2Whp7tBeNHkdX03R179v/RB+c0AhJ4/hFRjE=; b=Zck+QmvChWRDPqRtvXA3uDlmJnoiRurxtktYOMEnPcirFyRopi3MjAoZF4EBAW7F x/E2PV5BGKz0XjFIJ+TdhZ5WVy1fMuEvo2opmXeKWNGS1Os3xTz3F6eKP62HDorgn1A ACVf0683cmot3S0bzMzV+pD0HUR0Zig1pX3ZaKOg= Received: from yagyu.local.mail (d-24-153-60-36.cpe.metrocast.net [24.153.60.36]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 153861912619011.501977892609716; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:12:21 -0400 From: Kazuo Kuroi To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: IBM POWER 720 (POWER 7) X-Mailer: Airmail (506) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ZohoMailClient: External Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 02:12:19 -0000 Greetings, I=E2=80=99ve a working POWER 7 box over here I=E2=80=99d like to either t= ry running =46reeBSD on bare metal or in an LPAR. Does anyone have any ex= perience doing this and can suggest some tips=3F I=E2=80=99m aware this p= latform is neglected with these kinds of machines, and I=E2=80=99d like t= o change that. If I can get it warning, by all means unless I sell it I=E2= =80=99d like to have developers who want access to it be allowed in - It = isn=E2=80=99t a Talos, but it=E2=80=99s what I could get for free=21 P.S. I=E2=80=99ve signed up for the list but have not gotten confirmation= yet, so to ensure I get this please CC me if you are responding to this=21 From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 02:02:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E5A10B7C35 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic309-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic309-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.184.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F4FD7BDA2 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: xoJLTVkVM1nDRwxFd7ZTp3HJ7iUx9U_SC4Gccr2Qhu8cN.wI.FQaJ0RenN6no9E uFIHhBsXPVScPFoUxqiJmNr5HlnYon8yL1zqAM5FLpJ5rrWdZWdMdVs5FsYFNIVBTrS.NrBGpP1d TSUDGxUX0QiUWzjSqmQCO2HOYYdhGiSU7_zWvuLMFiNth_YXZkQoE18MUMYYRnAOm1jZNos8Fwuo TL.Ly_TPgQlap3dy6COvPHYPI9rQDSVTKKWgbA8rbrRq22tQ3faUIiU.UyPRdohU9.mW4NCy.M1n lR4yq_a.hPmBI2NaW4wZU5tD5.Kx7r7lY6UNhcyT0FVt9HE.01cVM7h00W3Dzyh_paPokayAIvRX JUut2ar1xojQXDa2_i35EW8uWodD59dpL5gUOR5FhA3Se0pojxibxyin_UnzobUNmlOrW7x36Q03 1HhsCjYmmKMJnqHwK24KMbgdgmZUBv1SsExHqhEfodIGa27Ce4dc0wCqj34t.T8_X91D8xTGbnNt tFsesg2zxR_ZN2KCZH6BJv.fvdDJxh.8Gf3WgkE71bIhhXqVQIomgLvRmorqJI1zNKOoU71wOpsx 5WEnd8qWCckxGNrXcG9oqSE_6EQUe5VrOVZZ9MuDbp2cKAkA9tkFLOyf.JikCuzodgaNLK0dml5Y RJo3tjVJsw3PFbglunasF9Q.zTPISLqR6ko0TRsaa42PlFjN8rdNKEa.Y3d0S7vH4RSJzMARxbjS D3wfMT4YbgxXf9RX1QBHZjh1QCvqU6TDFJUzgQPg.FGjGxwjOBSez205xLqmfSAEJ7YnAxcsnja3 SXd4sKIUo74AJ.XD1HV94M3IgoLi9mRoQoPEgYu1hkHctRuWEj6M8Co1ZECqGAQudogw.dbTqSv1 B9tHECHuLpdVgKwux8YdOwW7WSNV8pjOIgrHqY6QHAXWjFQbqvTSuYT7aPOCpQxDM6MYH3BLXnOT ODNdl59c.HfzNmUKLJ6jxqXdkqwo6K7DSbKx_Sj4wJWK3ipBrGYp8NEcISE.B0qPmNo8P0OmErin 0rycmCZzgpSzLgzFZ22V1.uPY9qrpzB.x Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 02:02:46 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp417.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID dd21f0b530123fca2c83e155cb3d9a39 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 02:02:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:02:41 -0700 References: <93B37DB3-331A-4C94-BF1E-BFDC5D066A53@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML In-Reply-To: <93B37DB3-331A-4C94-BF1E-BFDC5D066A53@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 02:02:54 -0000 On 2018-Oct-3, at 6:27 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2018-October/019167.html > > talks about removing 10Mbit/100Mbit ethernet drivers. This is not an > objection to the proposal, just an FYI. > > As I remember all the PowerMac/PowerBook/iMac/iBook G3's did not have 1GBit > Ethernet built-in: just 10Mbit and 100Mbit. Also the earliest G4's did not > (e.g., AGP's and 350 MHz PCI), including the PowerPC Mac-mini's. (All the > G5's had 1Gbit Ethernet as I remember.) > > I'm not sure which FreeBSD drivers covered the various examples of > lacking 1Gbit Ethernet. The proposal may be eliminating built-in-ethernet > support for (some of) the oldest of the Apple PowerPC machines for all I > know. I was wrong about the G5's: 3 early iMac G5 models do not have 1Gbit Ethernet. https://everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-with-ethernet.html lists by "Ethernet Capabilities" (actually sub-sorted by the capability). The list shows about 112 models with built-in Ethernet but without 1Gbit Ethernet. All are PowerPC based. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 04:22:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34EB10BF6D7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 04:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.bowling@kev009.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12b.google.com (mail-it1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 419A3826A0 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 04:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.bowling@kev009.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id j81-v6so11407430ite.0 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3avU7fWSKBGmGTapLiC0ccNn4df85kAzHhYF/WugKqI=; b=L5M0tmiX9Yj+TcY0lQ/j9RY2cGCEgHEqXTwKfsKODDRbnhv4Eu4CQkMqCm7/1CxPc9 hHQKTGeqFftLoj7f9rpKJ6LLdmO8ac1gn4Xj4sSFj4NyUTHVv8nV/YLHzP3ei4lWaS1G oiOuS4bn1sxqTpD7UBbcV7GYSwwmwiGw9L7ko= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3avU7fWSKBGmGTapLiC0ccNn4df85kAzHhYF/WugKqI=; b=msO3Atqli0RUmfs2BrXXee/Kf3SYmKWSJLfh7RmMFGye0EZobfe+IW/MihkQzzeHZ1 0ozSbzsSrIshRp/GItLaeHDjcwYmBmTYAxDrA9tEy++G/3ZG2npmk7dS6F/bjMk27bdq 7mnhpZiugpv6G0asMdDe7B7hEHVVX+iv+9ebaDlgRcGCv8VKDBAHInzOMr0GJ4E/TJUL kK4hFpB9YRAdg117fs7/m+3f07XEfC/ih73q0M11gZWR64n3EEAZo8KIhCzV/BBUlmzY Bxme7dFWQrIs7KgzizcdQzsfj5VsENncom6+OO5JDFd27o3mJaHhUbEpBk5Fzx+LQ5qn dhaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojbCGuY//LCKXLwbR638hbeWQADKRIVPjch1W6fSYd21M2B2SlF fveLEkw+0rm3mZbjxIWTYNbm0MuQEtNbd3VELYpqlSsd2XY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61p8Ywdogczoroo/Cj83YL4E/m5iUVsh8apt48FsIjrxedAFqxXfA9DCMTmofqHgy7dpb//Z3Z17jGr3Zh7+qE= X-Received: by 2002:a02:b804:: with SMTP id o4-v6mr3502035jam.12.1538626937344; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Bowling Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IBM POWER 720 (POWER 7) To: kazuok@projectkitsune.com Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 04:22:18 -0000 In terms of hardware this is a port called 'pseries'. Give the CD image a try, it may just work depending on what storage controller you are using. Regards, Kevin On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:18 PM Kazuo Kuroi wrot= e: > > Greetings, > > I=E2=80=99ve a working POWER 7 box over here I=E2=80=99d like to either t= ry running FreeBSD on bare metal or in an LPAR. Does anyone have any experi= ence doing this and can suggest some tips? I=E2=80=99m aware this platform = is neglected with these kinds of machines, and I=E2=80=99d like to change t= hat. If I can get it warning, by all means unless I sell it I=E2=80=99d lik= e to have developers who want access to it be allowed in - It isn=E2=80=99t= a Talos, but it=E2=80=99s what I could get for free! > > P.S. I=E2=80=99ve signed up for the list but have not gotten confirmation= yet, so to ensure I get this please CC me if you are responding to this! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 06:06:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B73E10C13F5 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic311-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic311-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.131.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C0A84FCF for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: .o4bdtIVM1kbCcCdR_JXvaWyR7k18pgsYIi6XPheMpLEmy3OKIZs9udDK8MweKT w.hhYLuqhXA_KZpa_W927adod7.cgG7dfP5XU2ZzRFeLds6Qj9TrJ.XiU3wYsj2uydnPEzWdKKQ6 AnDWYWH1qD7wy0T5lSvYqnLn8QA2q6xPewN5TM9KWLKmuxv4E41k9D8Fl2aFwzDciUvYRFWHoxsK bLk1bexsEUsbigfuMQ.HEUBSG_bqQ.J26HtzkK6kSM_2Xk8gd2s2IQFpOpvoWU9BOzkdXTNQcLeJ reH8utK1ltR6ABIXr6SwJo1GHGJhwXz1j1adXaNcaxlt6n_AbOi292whYYFLdpS9xPxgStOLstk3 0wCGnCpGMliYzROo3YO_.MGwrybHskFW0qrlXvUHBUD7JGcVftld.wbtuevrHFSnJYUsQ.xIIpzB lrMKg5sWCu2VuMFdrdOWwtXTJ0011voQSfSchisVahI62QYg2qupdwhBp4IkgfvjKOLykwCEpaKQ XeLMHAmXDPUhtUNqsFC.3JfUNu1D56Gq342ztZ8XfgylevkZNG_XkzTIHlmRsEVazN8jlfusuiib 1bqLAt3w2OF_BePmQkxY76K1k0Oz9xQKKR1RzVzAFtgo9LYPORQ8jTjH0ZBNalgEB7aLv_FS9Gpu 63qFd0Dx_SSOBIi_JABo6eau8oQNjhTCmd5X.5vUAZiIDZ.zt1Q6t5jGIUvnlnrudCFArOkPeail HNuO7CwEeLLQZdO__omiOTUyxcMTlaEaTQ4AVvbp76KS0Gjk3iga.i2pmyr0UuErrynC03L8A0.L ljNUNoAA6xpNZzbl3WjfJdwrMTi6dtdd2tIElV9HzzWaluoF1U1itCC6snpLur3RMi5_EcDngh1o 7ElV.1gQxGPvrCoH89Ea5btKfy3pzICeSBS94J_i1pUYspselB8GnbTgXDJsJsFJfd2TiuJDuHpQ 1RRjdJnEGxKECm08fSLTqX8LtGQ_RQbJTzf1XeSxQDenfBlTwFrivnpvPxazW7egWdrnJ8KhxkY7 bXHQkz3T8rTSQidcWym1eBR0KGdfTBaNaLOs- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:06:22 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp416.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f5904e211e17cc909cee03fe5d566960 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 06:06:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 23:06:18 -0700 References: <93B37DB3-331A-4C94-BF1E-BFDC5D066A53@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 06:06:30 -0000 On 2018-Oct-3, at 7:02 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > On 2018-Oct-3, at 6:27 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2018-October/019167.html >>=20 >> talks about removing 10Mbit/100Mbit ethernet drivers. This is not an >> objection to the proposal, just an FYI. >>=20 >> As I remember all the PowerMac/PowerBook/iMac/iBook G3's did not have = 1GBit >> Ethernet built-in: just 10Mbit and 100Mbit. Also the earliest G4's = did not >> (e.g., AGP's and 350 MHz PCI), including the PowerPC Mac-mini's. (All = the >> G5's had 1Gbit Ethernet as I remember.) >>=20 >> I'm not sure which FreeBSD drivers covered the various examples of >> lacking 1Gbit Ethernet. The proposal may be eliminating = built-in-ethernet >> support for (some of) the oldest of the Apple PowerPC machines for = all I >> know. >=20 > I was wrong about the G5's: 3 early iMac G5 models do not have > 1Gbit Ethernet. >=20 > https://everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-with-ethernet.html > lists by "Ethernet Capabilities" (actually sub-sorted by the > capability). The list shows about 112 models with built-in > Ethernet but without 1Gbit Ethernet. All are PowerPC based. An iMac G3 and an early PowerMac G4 that I sometimes have access to that do not have 1Gbit/s but have built-in Ethernet show gem0 for the Ethernet device name. (I do not know if all of the 112 that can run FreeBSD would use gem.) But FreeBSD also uses gem for somewhat more modern PowerMac G4s that have 1Gbit/s as well (that I also sometimes have access to). (Some G5's with 1Gbit/s use bge instead of gem.) I guess that puts gem in the "not limited to under 1Gbit/s" category and so not its being mentioned explicitly: implicit STAY. FYI: See https://everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-with-ethernet.html which is sub-sorted by speed/"none". It spans more than PowerPC models. Until I found that gem was used with and without 1Gbit/s being available, I had been wondering which Apple PowerPC models would lose Ethernet support: I knew up front that at least the oldest models predated Apple's having 1Gbit/s support. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Oct 6 06:10:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A8510CA31C for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 06:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.189.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0536A84B82 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 06:10:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: 0FUEkoIVM1mO4ce7.LY0RVvh6d51ysPo27mmEIChH_LuFn2rgCvvTAznEwrPCwf OEvmT3jn9vs1PLNL0xskTOetFz03DTn8a6EqzN.3aH8G_8xRkZ85HFt_NfmLhuBjBCL9b9nuFGkA BLo1uCEBroKYfM5r2qhZ3LL3QbPNY1l._ld1AwWbPrCQnMvQMPLPH68ybBJfbHr2jMYiNF5FKfPM WQJNmRMeTChLxEBnd7OoTefu3ehRjvVokfz7a1ind.xOsSnwlSaFwRPqPkvR3h78FuNqLE27Ry5h OiGtzhDfVECHZ5wXKaX.Kg89bk7io9VUMoVQ6mbO.PgzPgq09LNXMmBsTGx4XDTyeYNcUyV2azc0 CdV1Z.OdkPktYzqASJQQmfihqB3cSlOhqv_EYMKhOLRrCcl2bKvHntE9oaSfdqdkTRkpsigHsdnd FFP33K4otFVhF73GOzEhSKv85KyBbUYSl0Q8cAmzNA7MgL8lwZnxXJ5QIvCRNPqalUExGAiR8NNh YwRX1mYsnGaVxeNSf6cXrRVAhRI7zW6Zb6oAOe8I93pN13zC_dVi8pMSgJ48BgyCDYGL.Wauj5YX _I32sLhTABpsfxULsDQBExpkW5Vvd24xdBdTH2zdvyjNkxY1l_FVAvLmc70s3avprwzKcMDZ2v6s ixfdmKtOsqcYUTNicuE43UkjFG1H5tiJiZDm6roaDgpeUFiUMDJRH4V4O_jLHsL0tZTh6hBzHfD. 1b8myVEFQBhAQJ9LKRcomzlOK_8MLLorJnvSck4gMgWAgsjcAAjL1EQre4XV2NuNbMstemmHa5Cg VdU1Hrj_ryLhfh3Ljl2YalxbQJ2rd4rXBR5B12OKwf1KZDEnbUiZ1SVuGr0FHc8PRrb561n8HBNv kz7FXnhv9OZzDlMvabDZueNXyxYBJztHJrJs8Aw1Axbn4ZU.4d4qRigccJc.1tffGt4sWbJtFnwR V3YRh1JwsTC5RtoZbmtmHx8NF.trEhlI1H4UhuIx__A25YeaS6Yy_lqSVIBGj2QOPSLgLuup7RBZ .vumqsH8XiepJj.EjuIkaDEGSQRTCSfH5WYeXGcikRyvuuuyJPQdpg7dWBG8pC0Xb7w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 06:10:30 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp426.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1ff73baf47add1e17f628df79a51eb2e; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:00:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: base/binutils vs. /usr/local/lib references and also: undefined reference to `pthread_create' (powerpc64 targeting example) Message-Id: <4C338B84-1179-4569-A964-CA18A22AF1D7@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 23:00:18 -0700 To: FreeBSD Toolchain , FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:10:38 -0000 In trying to follow the base/binutils part of = https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC (or /usr/ports/base/README) for targeting powerpc64 I got: ( My /etc/make.conf has: WRKDIRPREFIX?=3D/wrkdirs .) # cd ../../base/binutils/ # make CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=3Dpowerpc64-gcc = CROSS_SYSROOT=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld package . . . --- recode-sr-latin --- /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=3DCC --mode=3Dlink = /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld -O2 -pipe = -DLIBICONV_PLUG -g -fno-strict-aliasing -o recode-sr-latin = recode_sr_latin-recode-sr-latin.o recode_sr_latin-filter-sr-latin.o = ../gnulib-lib/libgettextlib.la ../intl/libintl.la -L/usr/local/lib --- cldr_plurals-cldr-plural.o --- . . . --- recode-sr-latin --- libtool: link: /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld -O2 -pipe = -DLIBICONV_PLUG -g -fno-strict-aliasing -o .libs/recode-sr-latin = recode_sr_latin-recode-sr-latin.o recode_sr_latin-filter-sr-latin.o = ../gnulib-lib/.libs/libgettextlib.so = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /intl/.libs/libintl.so -L/usr/local/lib ../intl/.libs/libintl.so -lm = -lncurses -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib --- hostname --- . . . --- recode-sr-latin --- = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /intl/.libs/libintl.so: undefined reference to `pthread_create' collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status *** [recode-sr-latin] Error code 1 make[16]: stopped in = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /src The use of -L/usr/local/lib and -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib look suspect for such cross builds: # ls /usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld/usr/local/lib/ ls: /usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld/usr/local/lib/: No = such file or directory Then there is also: undefined reference to `pthread_create'. Is there a missing -pthread or some such? (Or is the /usr/local/lib reference a cause?) [FYI: The earlier pkg build seem to have worked.] Looks like this way of getting to 12 or later for powerpc64 without use of gcc 4.2.1 is currently blocked. (The issue may not be limited to powerpc64.) (It is also unclear how the process involving base/* mixes with doing later FreeBSD updates from source --including any use of a delete-old step if WITHOUT_BINUTILS=3D is used at the time. For the cross = buildworld itself it is not clear what options are intended.) Notes about some typos on: https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC /usr/ports/devel/ports-mgmt/pkg should be: /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg 3 examples of CROSS_TOOCLAHIN should be: CROSS_TOOLCHAIN Notes about the /usr/ports/base/README : No mention is made of the pkg build so that it can be set up on the target. Only https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC has that information. /usr/ports/base/README does not reference https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC either. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Oct 6 19:32:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61BE10C43C8 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic312-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic312-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325E2807CE for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: vLtscRgVM1k29rImfuaGZOLNamqT0.Z44G.DytqjVZ2FR6GjTQIM1bX.bsIc0dk 35u3SUZVqnhuCl6yCQFnwqQyJ8RwibLXc1a_Ui3itOIj0oDahCFZQJOUG1MCrdVB0EgFvpL_AD.Q 7iMJcLxnXvJe9OJAP2nJurlC_1RhCaWnTkvL1I3KYbHiKAdy2caJOSLwoTx.gevQ6hbt2N1dOveG eTI8X9ewTD6q8jSwNY_rlxzCwGqi.Ju716obsGBQDvLwtXHArgM5l77XX96AfJQJt6CbJazhTGun Ad1qFYXdP0w5G_bhN45.fpIN_1epz1RqymzKXQ2bp1Gk_7.BryBr_wG2Prdj0pUoHiuBOwXZYtpn TfhbKM2VKNDMnQ7zoFL99vbjxmcse88tuh_x5pmqbgeKOGcwevwHV9ignlnGjZBmUXpv4NHds6qz YMqFNsk0LyrUIN6p.ldwlz9dPlcphAlehDnTiYoQSqb72.MumqD3iORvuocRmHteXkZtRVELyOu8 Pzo2VJqa0pj_sMTMr6x83rzTfC_jmtGL1ilZ6Wf4qqPY0A8cF2_VoQZONHbxOxQcmhSioXI4BO9j DjYAd_.eYWYzKmmwZTf5lwbVdz2iMG94X_4kmfLNdjSMeAQ_DKKTmh0QnlJPAOA0IZnfyuXqK8t5 COnjgVLBqIqczGyEXEfRyUBTK63ZNJ27Z0WAM5obDaMjLIybQlvWfHUff3XDJti6dPr3DOytct3P EKZ_OoEX0GKoKAR1U1lujkrqHjKy9t38Qrrgm_.aRbNZ9qgl7f2IVWX5HeYE.lVhiEUA95LslgRI gvCZ12s5dlirMdTWeQqhoZkjw1nxsoY2RNqVgbVWpNOQRNQcdZkNWvG37_WKIADosvrPG5MUWklB KYnrPvzSNiWuvAFijz6Hb.Xyl0UeHYHOlLtxE9fABIThhQH94kmfuEkW.Fab895m3al0LuQ7caKE PkrIyD2y1E8mCqIJGtQ9ajS9CkFbid0dyYlroLXpHkwyvRgkTJpSiXm9im49DW4MPmjY6eCuHYoL q0Cc1xNf1f.Gn2yWXXrvjRfjbb.OcIH0vJndIgoZMDDwEJpVhtJulzmOElpAUtBVCs.U- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 19:32:23 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.101]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp426.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3b05b74320b694923ebd026ecb983173; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 19:22:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: base/binutils vs. /usr/local/lib references and also: undefined reference to `pthread_create' (powerpc64 targeting example) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 12:22:12 -0700 References: <4C338B84-1179-4569-A964-CA18A22AF1D7@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Toolchain , FreeBSD PowerPC ML In-Reply-To: <4C338B84-1179-4569-A964-CA18A22AF1D7@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 19:32:30 -0000 [Actually devel/gettext-tools is a build time dependency: it should not = be using libtool: link: /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D. . . It looks like the /usr/local/lib references are correct but the wrong = linker was being used. About 5 other ports have a similar status for making = base/binutils as a cross build.] On 2018-Oct-5, at 11:00 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > In trying to follow the base/binutils part of = https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC > (or /usr/ports/base/README) for targeting powerpc64 I got: >=20 > ( My /etc/make.conf has: WRKDIRPREFIX?=3D/wrkdirs .) >=20 > # cd ../../base/binutils/ > # make CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=3Dpowerpc64-gcc = CROSS_SYSROOT=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld package > . . . Note: This should involve building devel/gettext-tools targetting amd64 (the host environment in this example) because devel/gettext-tools is a build-time dependency, not to be run on the target system. > --- recode-sr-latin --- > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=3DCC --mode=3Dlink = /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld -O2 -pipe = -DLIBICONV_PLUG -g -fno-strict-aliasing -o recode-sr-latin = recode_sr_latin-recode-sr-latin.o recode_sr_latin-filter-sr-latin.o = ../gnulib-lib/libgettextlib.la ../intl/libintl.la -L/usr/local/lib So the following is wrong: --mode=3Dlink /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld here and analogous points are later. > --- cldr_plurals-cldr-plural.o --- > . . . > --- recode-sr-latin --- > libtool: link: /usr/local/bin/powerpc64-unknown-freebsd12.0-gcc = --sysroot=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld -O2 -pipe = -DLIBICONV_PLUG -g -fno-strict-aliasing -o .libs/recode-sr-latin = recode_sr_latin-recode-sr-latin.o recode_sr_latin-filter-sr-latin.o = ../gnulib-lib/.libs/libgettextlib.so = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /intl/.libs/libintl.so -L/usr/local/lib ../intl/.libs/libintl.so -lm = -lncurses -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib > --- hostname --- > . . . > --- recode-sr-latin --- > = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /intl/.libs/libintl.so: undefined reference to `pthread_create' devel/gettext-tools has an option to enable/disable building for thread use, with a default of enabled. > collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status > *** [recode-sr-latin] Error code 1 >=20 > make[16]: stopped in = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/gettext-tools/work/gettext-0.19.8.1/gettext-tools= /src >=20 >=20 > The use of -L/usr/local/lib and -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib look > suspect for such cross builds: >=20 > # ls /usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld/usr/local/lib/ > ls: /usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld/usr/local/lib/: No = such file or directory I went the wrong direction with this: it should not be a powerpc64 targeted operation and so /usr/local/lib appears to be a correct aspect. > Then there is also: undefined reference to `pthread_create'. Is there > a missing -pthread or some such? (Or is the /usr/local/lib reference > a cause?) [FYI: The earlier pkg build seem to have worked.] This sort of aspect might still apply. > Looks like this way of getting to 12 or later for powerpc64 without > use of gcc 4.2.1 is currently blocked. (The issue may not be limited > to powerpc64.) May be if devel/gettext-tools had been pre-built and installed before trying the CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=3Dpowerpc64-gcc CROSS_SYSROOT=3D/usr/obj/DESTDIRs/xtcgcc-powerpc64-installworld based build activity it would have been okay? [I try such later below and report on the results.] There are no words on https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC or in /usr/ports/base/README for such special build-sequence instructions. > (It is also unclear how the process involving base/* mixes with doing > later FreeBSD updates from source --including any use of a delete-old > step if WITHOUT_BINUTILS=3D is used at the time. For the cross = buildworld > itself it is not clear what options are intended.) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Notes about some typos on: https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC >=20 > /usr/ports/devel/ports-mgmt/pkg should be: > /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg >=20 > 3 examples of CROSS_TOOCLAHIN should be: > CROSS_TOOLCHAIN >=20 >=20 > Notes about the /usr/ports/base/README : >=20 > No mention is made of the pkg build so that it can be > set up on the target. Only https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC > has that information. /usr/ports/base/README does not > reference https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC either. There may be more material needed on one or both of https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExternalGCC and/or /usr/ports/base/README for the likes of how/when things like devel/gettext-tools should be built vs. when CROSS_TOOLCHAIN=3D. . . CROSS_SYSROOT=3D . . . builds build steps should be done. There may be more material needed about the build options to use for various steps, such as if devel/gettext-tools should have threading enabled vs. disabled. The following seem to have a similar status to devel/gettext-tools: math/gmp math/mpfr devel/bison devel/m4 (indirectly via devel/bison) devel/gmake devel/gettext-tools (just for list completeness)=20 in that each is a build dependency for devel/binutils variants, such as base/binutils . With those 6 ports pre-installed as host non-cross-build material (amd64 here) the cross build/package of base/binutils worked, given that it was not already installed as host material. [In thinking about it I think I made similar notes and sent them out on the lists long ago. base/* have improved much since then: I reported a lot more then as well that does not apply now.] =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)