From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 18 09:38:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0D11132267 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from No-reply@itc.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5E473D23 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from No-reply@itc.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DF7031132266; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD03C1132264 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from No-reply@itc.com) Received: from sky.extra.co.jp (sky.extra.co.jp [49.212.206.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF49373D21 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from No-reply@itc.com) Received: (qmail 23068 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2018 01:27:17 -0000 Received: from ip113.ip-192-99-85.net (HELO itc.com) (ishikawa@192.99.85.113) by sky.extra.co.jp with SMTP; 17 Nov 2018 01:27:17 -0000 From: FreeBSD.org To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Urgent Server Warning! 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I'd suggest you address the ports team. With the flavors for binary packages in place, it should be no big problem to create a port that will only contain the _neccessary_ stuff to run SWI Prolog, and therefore will not have many dependencies. As it seems to be possible to create such a package manually from ports (with a "non-standard" build configuration), it could be incorporated into the regular ports tree. There's also the freebsd-ports@ mailing list where you could ask for further suggestions on the matter. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 02:36:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C91E1130C3A for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 02:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa29.google.com (mail-vk1-xa29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B14847CB63 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 02:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa29.google.com with SMTP id t127so6450272vke.8 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:36:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Q6UlMwd+shQT/WzWfj08qqjho0NH559DeVbTxj9ZaB4=; b=QdJdpqMULiz1s4kjlEZG3h42xWcWm5P7fIWA0yYU17GwLyTGEldFuqLSi6PtK7FxCv xEoEOs49Up4YkyuSDRUnrlbKb4BDnkOoYfYdNIuNYSfuIDNwNsihCE6PqgnaUv3XNS4p wx1IxD9oR/TcuiNnNE82/bSfg3FD0V9Y+3OBegCg4lH38IwtBFMjQgKOpBDU/dSZPEc2 O2mmttjfbVJ+1fIkUFossuKTPWvVEDk8mCnAj8n35bqDKaj6qEKQk+voP9PVrcFqphlG 1Lxv9qDE3IbVcpmndN9HLHi/jyNLg4kw212KrvxaKSo0mfieqHQ3U/S16bHHdEtyHAlY mh6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Q6UlMwd+shQT/WzWfj08qqjho0NH559DeVbTxj9ZaB4=; b=QtrskVfyXHD7Yv7At0lJ5BpKS2cFVm4UJ+iecDcwT6GK6MOi/AiFH/THL1QK8urgOU xGXw2Ju473BrDm9kRIou6ANg8S9+e47YpFOspfPmZWeMrG1lPt80svpXXAfhSBeJ4ktN UnqdDpqIpBvshXF031O/N8OCgHFmSxBbDRIJH+yOxXQlK1DXv3nItkklT4BZo54ZFo1Q gKbri65VFlt4ldB6fv+EsLwh1q/1CkdqdZYkZH+56GfVaEdxB18GmotBWuUqF+aErOIt MGPRo9EgDZyirwAtMStmuBYNhlBkJb5WLsVmxuaXxQy3jVyDdmoabjWO8hEa69f0ruA2 hwcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLCcZcrW0NHvWK9Opk3TCRo4z7oq+RN2JYlECAhpXR07Bk1s4j4 OAbFsBVyOt1LN4SVFli8U5HE/qe2jnATZT0QJDfsw1hn X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5d33Gb5RfzUd72sAeoGWSH9JVxWWBNXRvVNtvz7hLIj5hM9YREbS8U07HaFSxDEi2LNIrqcpvj+6AEDd1aLJ8I= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:3f50:: with SMTP id m77mr8047514vka.77.1542594993904; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 03:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: gpart: pre-check failed: Operation canceled To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B14847CB63 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.87)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.54), asn: 15169(-1.71), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.808,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[tomek@cedro.info,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tomek@cedro.info,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 02:36:35 -0000 Hello world, I cannot use gpart on MBR for anything on 11.2-RELEASE AMD64 - resize, delete, add - the only information I get is: gpart: pre-check failed: Operation canceled Why is that? fdisk works fine. gpart seems to be fdisk's replacement and is supposed to work with MBR.. any hints welcome :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 14:24:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041B1104FD2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [IPv6:2a02:1658:1::199:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net", Issuer "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0FE0774DC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [178.250.76.108]) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wAJEODUY060741 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:13 GMT (envelope-from as@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net) Received: (from as@localhost) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id wAJEODpk060740 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:13 GMT (envelope-from as) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:13 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: /lib/libz.so.6: version ZLIB_1.2.9 required by /usr/local/lib/libpng16.so.16 not found Message-ID: <20181119142413.GA60591@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F0FE0774DC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.40)[-0.400,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.056,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cmplx.uk]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtp.cmplx.uk]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12290, ipnet:2a02:1658::/32, country:GB]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ipnet: 2a02:1658::/32(-0.61), asn: 12290(0.00), country: GB(-0.10)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:24:16 -0000 I'm in a 11.2-RELEASE-p2 jail. I get this error: /lib/libz.so.6: version ZLIB_1.2.9 required by /usr/local/lib/libpng16.so.16 not found Everyting is installed via pkg. What shall I do? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 14:39:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7E110543B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net (forward101o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DED5779E6 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback16j.mail.yandex.net (mxback16j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::92]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AC8C11346A75 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:39:23 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1j.mail.yandex.net (smtp1j.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:801::ab]) by mxback16j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id joy8JGScAQ-dNsOuqpQ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:39:23 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542638363; bh=+GKvSzUG+kOo782VZxvn1N+ErOip8X6CiyyJ34C0K9E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID; b=u/aAQkaP5cIZO088sc0lR0S+ZVAk6JgCN3US8hh1rtmrGj34Joz3PueJvL90CNQIT A+yrYUd0tRSH/mZse24/Fu3n7WwjRhffzQXFsG0OTxJzdHqFRl/kTC6yFH89inweYC WY9vHos8I+BzIaaUDLdxcaaFpJ/7lr/jq/OuLBkI= Received: by smtp1j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id sopEKwDgnh-dMPGtl5M; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:39:22 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542638362; bh=+GKvSzUG+kOo782VZxvn1N+ErOip8X6CiyyJ34C0K9E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID; b=ZaEtshQewu3/VxFWdi+ElmFJpshT9jWY29DvBQ+OuTlinzJfoQ4J+Zk5fha4WiF7H SoNWFdQFD+nghEpEZs66FkU4mRK+3vHu0W3ZpwVCi9AXI85W4P9VP7iCCrt6otqAfj uQGHy+NS4g9GUuWVja4QbdSP3k48XQbT6JgJ594Y= Authentication-Results: smtp1j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:39:19 -0500 From: To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: libgdm.so.4 Message-ID: <20181119093919.50dad9df@yandex.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3DED5779E6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::/64]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-1.75)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.88), asn: 13238(-3.89), country: RU(0.01)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[1.0.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.2.a.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:39:37 -0000 Hi! On my FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE (amd64) when I run portmaster --check-dependencies or pkg check -d -a I got: serf is missing a required shared library: libgdbm.so.4 I have installed and reinstalled databases/gdbm and I am using just ports. Thank you. SK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 17:07:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457201109EE8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward103j.mail.yandex.net (forward103j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801:2::106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AD317FB27 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback16j.mail.yandex.net (mxback16j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::92]) by forward103j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 76EED6740643 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:07:17 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27]) by mxback16j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id aUFG0oahGT-7HsmQhSM; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:07:17 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542647237; bh=Og71ImYIlg9OQ3IS44BkZZVkdX9MSJ5h1L6iQiuGL38=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=ex5mu/TvFBn9jAElz2HNt9u2fGJMmecF4hMMA9e9DYInTxxjH9LtJ3i5gWBGfYoTC qM0tVjvCoGdTpweFCUobCvZ7QxMhC37L0mkkt2/ZitKWHHTe9fNw/f6Qnfk3XENC2L hVWwKzYq2i26AfRdGVZwktJ5hs4HZiYvPBTBe9NU= Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id HAgskpb4FZ-7FwqmdIn; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:07:16 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542647236; bh=Og71ImYIlg9OQ3IS44BkZZVkdX9MSJ5h1L6iQiuGL38=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=KojN+uLO/QHvxzJc6qXAxzWAHq5SGabaepZxyfRwendo1iqr5NmZp0cqqhxwCgEir CDo/km3ii1si4fMoXnX6sTPW/Fr5ZqPjk6mmEknl8vFtC5xB/7l2ua46vJ/HtSH1vp 1pQ1LpWfLpjors/nW2/wLFxf8obGfj/gvicV7PVY= Authentication-Results: smtp3o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:07:13 -0500 From: To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: libgdm.so.4 Message-ID: <20181119120713.71be833a@yandex.com> In-Reply-To: <20181119093919.50dad9df@yandex.com> References: <20181119093919.50dad9df@yandex.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2AD317FB27 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.76)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.88), asn: 13238(-3.90), country: RU(0.01)]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[6.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.0.1.0.8.0.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:07:29 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:39:19 -0500 wrote: > Hi! > > On my FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE (amd64) when I run portmaster > --check-dependencies or pkg check -d -a I got: > > serf is missing a required shared library: libgdbm.so.4 > > I have installed and reinstalled databases/gdbm and I am using just > ports. > > Thank you. > > SK Thank you very much. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 17:46:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43759110F4D0 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MikaelJ1@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-40133.protonmail.ch (mail-40133.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CDDB81C1B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MikaelJ1@protonmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:46:02 +0000 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" From: MikaelNikolaev Reply-To: MikaelNikolaev Subject: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? 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I believe the biggest issue with FreeBSD, is = that it seems very difficult to install new software onto it or = otherwise learn the ins and outs of the OS. pkg install name_of_package =20 as root works for a lot of people. How about you? Cheers, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 19:51:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE03F11255EB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFC189C6A for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:51:01 -0700 References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> Message-Id: <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1FFC189C6A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.20)[-0.200,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 209(-0.28), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.191,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:51:10 -0000 On 13 Nov 2018, at 06:57, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Yes but what we don't have any real idea about is when to expect > 12. apart from less than five years from next month. So we already know that 11-FINAL will end its life before 12-FINAL, = leaving us once again without a final version that we can use. Meanwhile, Ubuntu just announce that the newest LTS version will be = supported for 10 years. --=20 "You never really understand a person until you see things from his point of view, until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 20:28:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E29D1126150 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CD438AD4B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.242.165]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N4yuK-1fQZzV3lPo-010skh; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:28:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:28:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: MikaelNikolaev Cc: MikaelNikolaev via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? 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Yes. It is called "The Ports Collection" and consists of several 1000s of software products ported to FreeBSD. You can build them from source or use pre-compiled (binary) packages which is very convenient. The interface to do this is the command line tool "pkg". To install something, for example, you run # pkg install foo as root to install the "foo" software. If you have installed the ports tree locally, you can also use "make " to search for specific software, for example: # cd /usr/ports # make search name="foo" # make search key="foo" To obtain the ports tree, the "portsnap" program is the easiest way. It _can_ be used to install software from source, but it can also serve as a source of information for further use with "pkg". > I believe the biggest issue with FreeBSD, is that it seems very > difficult to install new software onto it or otherwise learn the > ins and outs of the OS. I don't think so. Instead of searching the web, manually downloading arbitrary stuff, or using the "curl | sudo bash" approach, and still ending up with something that doesn't really work on your system (because it was constructed to work on a similar, but slightly different system), FreeBSD's "pkg" is one of the easiest ways to install software. It keeps track of required dependencies, and you can even use it to keep your software up to date - no need to enter each program manually and rely on its own updating mechanism. > I believe everything should be easily accessible within the OS > itself, instead of having to browse for links and commands on > an Ubuntu or even Windows 10 machine. Definitely true. This is what "pkg" is for. You'll also find locally installed documentation ("man pkg"), as well as sub-manuals for the pkg subcommands (for example, "man pkg-install"). > I believe a lot of good can come from an easy-to-use, text-only > and productivity focused OS and I hope FreeBSD will be that in > the future!. On servers, this is what many sysadmins are doing for decades. And FreeBSD can also make an excellent desktop, for work, or at home, for programming, for gaming, for audio/video editing... At least for me, FreeBSD has been that system for many years. ;-) > Many people nowadays are distracted by social media and the > sheer amount of 'things to do' that they forget about the > meaningful things in life and getting actual work done. This is a problem in work environments where physical presence is valued more than getting actual work done. "Work smart, not hard" often doesn't pay. A quick solution for social media distraction is to block the few big relevant providers, because without Internet access, social media doesn't work - and this approach is totally OS-agnostic. :-) The "things to do" problem, in my opinion, is based on the wrong use of means of communication: Asynchonous communication such as email is misunderstood as synchronous and immediate communication; inboxes are flooded with nonsense (like "mail to all" settings), and people often cannot understand how to use email in an efficient way where their work could benefit from. On the other hand, you have social media, messenger services, paper memos, and workers are bombarded with "things to do". Those who cannot assign priorities, "scan & sort", or those who have a PHB infront of them who urges them to read everything because it _might_ be possible something important is buried in the endless chain of top-postings of course cannot be very productive... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 21:38:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E28C1128048 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-f43.google.com (mail-vs1-f43.google.com [209.85.217.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76F738D416 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-f43.google.com with SMTP id h78so18687836vsi.6 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OMdSUXNzXX/4QlpoAl8dCrxwMMY8kpq40bfnOODWnns=; b=E9SKoyEy84/qgMHmSQ4G1dkEIodTOKqH3lGFkVB6+vT0/WPWufnKvl2Gvl72ZM3k+o eJUr3zLnMVS3ozeJNcootlPxachQeFK9unFEZt4SVR8YKoj/4kxtmqARFUFsf47Ydbas GPq3Pd8vW8u8MhzG3zyyCMgGyAc44fYx4bruXypmq5KedZHnrbEjc/P56RyvJ/6lDZh+ RbOt2evT7CKySR7KflQuzQKgj6c1ULpfFzmy70oM6vvn9qut6zfY1scp2vbqmA+SefPu TwZ92MI/Oyeke5PB4mHiGsl+QJgrfKqLxrnxnmTkCNwHnEEHO94UG16VimvzwafTv2R9 wlUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJl6JCpqwYro8S1xIxjIJugnLXDsoXoXdRnTfhRxokeLhLNUfz0 vXER2tv1RSfEbRX6r/IFnl/8K45H4/osL9F8Z0m2ag== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5d0XUcivEG0KZ/FFzaU6SEOdDjQ3JjVP6VTWJ+HZhsNvfB1RUduJh4mkmI9UV2b+a/LMl+NiKN8Naa7Rsx3GhU= X-Received: by 2002:a67:3ad6:: with SMTP id g83mr9885921vsi.120.1542661941021; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:12:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> From: CeDeROM Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:12:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: Polytropon Cc: MikaelNikolaev , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 76F738D416 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.43), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tlen.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.957,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[43.217.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[43.217.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[protonmail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:38:55 -0000 I am using FreeBSD on Servers and Desktops for more than 15 years, what I reeeeeaaallly like is that I have the same shell/commandline utils and the same configuration mechanisms all the time becuase they work just fine, and there is no reason to channge that :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 21:43:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACCE1128700 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2E068D9C6 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id w204so51282271qka.2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JtxoEkW/s0p9s3s4PHwZmMYqFxuWwMRgvdq/NmNscOk=; b=P/nMnpozDlY0+Sf2SIbHQtZnMAmgPwsmtbXhwvR/j7/OPFleWPHEb+9jQkpbrThQwb c0aEDDx1wQOMjWXmC8rPSi5rYua4bZUGVBRVdvHBYdev3zN944QaRrnBJKwCjXZ8E/5e V7y/80+Q1Yt/ZPM8Cmr9dqMOrYCf6+hf4SioaqyWQIg2wFfyvC2CmfIrsYKXtnj+sCuY VlcnzUgy9egfmw8Pjg8y3izKmq0BFHvobgRMUK2VBs/qquXfloOZho/0mbIOUzButL+T ywDJvndm9r+TvcDAMV/fR7HwHGGyKN8NYvAX/aH0GleGceaJZqCWRB9l/UdP4vET7LKU n2XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JtxoEkW/s0p9s3s4PHwZmMYqFxuWwMRgvdq/NmNscOk=; b=V/SGp5qAcDueTorYxudIfZgVwoP0jK8UsTvVjiGPrb0WgxVTle1kM52BZFQBwfcUIp ipBjrtWAWZb7iXuujJqAX5Q0QBBaDmYg5VR6/L6t4Tuf4Bs1BdOyQki8KVezIR3K2ncV b+t4fmm5sdU9DLqOQiZKnevTtLG+JAh6ZZrkTCE69x26pd7Q9YgJBMDrQiwD9C4+IlpN y8+9eDsyagWn2t/D+EwqdbQJkhlAScYoWwrU9q7PeAJjCtaSSAzYLdrSVpymzoirbycu fkC5oDr23cSBsxdO20B99OHOEvmRN/gtRJfPssfsNfgsnYoQA8bo3+IO6Ta0zeepxr8E kOyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKsMJlNuSJfWNSyTROyTksbl00q5RPIWi4fq2RBRZWqOV+4/NRc J5h4/eL4YoNFB/I7Q1Dq/JeCMmvSkn7HfboTYWk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fn0bMAv4qGSVtH2VGhoFE+mlUm7558OAiRav1RynaNbS2gGdyebBoNXydtPDv8+/4T+PVk5yTPON/P+HPozJ8= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:e789:: with SMTP id x9mr23544552qvn.245.1542663800029; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: "Jack L." Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 13:41:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: cederom@tlen.pl Cc: Polytropon , MikaelJ1@protonmail.com, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2E068D9C6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.74)[ip: (-9.48), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.45), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:43:21 -0000 me too! On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:41 PM CeDeROM wrote: > > I am using FreeBSD on Servers and Desktops for more than 15 years, what I > reeeeeaaallly like is that I have the same shell/commandline utils and the > same configuration mechanisms all the time becuase they work just fine, and > there is no reason to channge that :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 19 22:57:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B20112D6C7 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E65169AB4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9EA718053 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:56:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:56:53 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1E65169AB4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.02)[-0.016,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.209,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:57:01 -0000 On 11/19/18 3:41 PM, Jack L. wrote: > me too! > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:41 PM CeDeROM wrote: >> >> I am using FreeBSD on Servers and Desktops for more than 15 years, what I >> reeeeeaaallly like is that I have the same shell/commandline utils and the >> same configuration mechanisms all the time becuase they work just fine, and >> there is no reason to channge that :-) Same here. Ain't thing broken, don't fix. When they were teaching me programming, one of the fundamental principles was: do not make any changes unless they are absolutely necessary. This principle is not followed these days wherever I look (No: Mate desktop team does, that's why i like it). Valeri >> >> -- >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 00:32:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230981130A6C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF9B56C859 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 00:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.242.165]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MiIlc-1flyE03HtO-00fStN; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:27:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:27:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? 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For me, FreeBSD is the primary OS not just on servers, but also on the desktop and on laptops - the platforms where "everyone" claims it's impossible to use it, and for the purposes claimed to be unsuitable. :-) > When they were teaching me programming, one of the fundamental > principles was: do not make any changes unless they are absolutely > necessary. It's also a very helpful core concept everywhere user data is involved: If you don't need it, don't ask for it. And don't store it. Data should become a liability, not an asset. That's why you don't need to register with "Facebook" when you want to use FreeBSD. ;-) > This principle is not followed these days wherever I look > (No: Mate desktop team does, that's why i like it). In environments where programmers are paid by the lines of code they emit, or where PHBs get promotions depending on how many changes they propose, this principle doesn't fit. Sadly, its opposite seems to become a general attitude in many places where software is either created or used... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 01:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081661134AD8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC9B6FFC1 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4971A71804F for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:42:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <88ba662f-d0fc-b0b5-55ea-372ac13ff79b@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:42:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6EC9B6FFC1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.16)[-0.156,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.469,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:17 -0000 On 11/19/18 6:27 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:56:53 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On 11/19/18 3:41 PM, Jack L. wrote: >>> me too! >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:41 PM CeDeROM wrote: >>>> >>>> I am using FreeBSD on Servers and Desktops for more than 15 years, what I >>>> reeeeeaaallly like is that I have the same shell/commandline utils and the >>>> same configuration mechanisms all the time becuase they work just fine, and >>>> there is no reason to channge that :-) >> >> Same here. > > For me, FreeBSD is the primary OS not just on servers, > but also on the desktop and on laptops - the platforms > where "everyone" claims it's impossible to use it, and > for the purposes claimed to be unsuitable. :-) > Apart from servers my workstation runs FreeBSD, and laptop by default boots into FreeBSD. I do have two more systems on it: Windows (10) and Debian Linux. And the same is laptop of one developer (I mostly support that laptop when sysadmin's hand in necessary). Valeri > > >> When they were teaching me programming, one of the fundamental >> principles was: do not make any changes unless they are absolutely >> necessary. > > It's also a very helpful core concept everywhere user data > is involved: If you don't need it, don't ask for it. And > don't store it. Data should become a liability, not an asset. > That's why you don't need to register with "Facebook" when > you want to use FreeBSD. ;-) > > > >> This principle is not followed these days wherever I look >> (No: Mate desktop team does, that's why i like it). > > In environments where programmers are paid by the lines of > code they emit, or where PHBs get promotions depending on > how many changes they propose, this principle doesn't fit. > Sadly, its opposite seems to become a general attitude in > many places where software is either created or used... > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 02:58:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DE3113B116 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 299DE75B59 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:58:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jude.obscure@yandex.com) Received: from mxback8o.mail.yandex.net (mxback8o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::22]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DE81C8C1E1A; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:58:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3p.mail.yandex.net (smtp3p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b6:8]) by mxback8o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id y8cGRGicQs-wF00Bgdx; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:58:15 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542682695; bh=9oc5jm/zyd3h4nrr/E4bJi2QHRxMwlNTPN7H5FngsmA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dlYodb7PkBdbe+WAusMfWoGLACcZ41x218TdJR9f0zG0g6WJBISAEVjdDuGlb6j1Q hOmqRvgWxVP3gFQ4kD41BV7TiBw2k0M9CbnAsMBhMen/liF940ciPeIJMspN1uZ/oV zKAgT/FCPNDTOIr9zJROKwA4UNAQGpUAS1Ts5Cjg= Received: by smtp3p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id S5s0sBmwII-wE54HwIL; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:58:15 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1542682695; bh=9oc5jm/zyd3h4nrr/E4bJi2QHRxMwlNTPN7H5FngsmA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dlYodb7PkBdbe+WAusMfWoGLACcZ41x218TdJR9f0zG0g6WJBISAEVjdDuGlb6j1Q hOmqRvgWxVP3gFQ4kD41BV7TiBw2k0M9CbnAsMBhMen/liF940ciPeIJMspN1uZ/oV zKAgT/FCPNDTOIr9zJROKwA4UNAQGpUAS1Ts5Cjg= Authentication-Results: smtp3p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: MikaelNikolaev , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: <537644cf-177d-1af1-388e-b4010a59c372@yandex.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:25:14 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 299DE75B59 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.73 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.yandex.ru]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.867,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[protonmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[8.0.1.0.7.b.8.0.0.0.0.0.1.4.7.2.2.7.4.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.75)[ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.87), asn: 13238(-3.90), country: RU(0.01)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:58:28 -0000 On 11/19/18 23:16, MikaelNikolaev via freebsd-questions wrote: > it seems very difficult to install new software onto it or otherwise learn the ins and outs of the OS This is now more true of Windows ! It takes ages to figure out how to work with Windows 7 / 10. Ever since MS moved beyond Win 2000/XP, the OS interface has crapped out. Unix'es on the other hand have become very easy to work with. Linux can be used with very little prior OS knowledge. FreeBSD expects you to have the minimum knowledge. Once you know the minimum, working with FreeBSD is like a charm. Till you do not know the minimum, you have to be willing to learn - the man pages and Google are the standard tools. The FreeBSD ports system for software installation is unbeatable, and probably just what you are looking for. To get the ports system (populated at /usr/ports), use the command: portsnap fetch extract Once you have /usr/ports, cd to any port therein you like and : make install clean I should probably mention a way to make life easier for newcomers to get started with FreeBSD. The biggest hurdle with FreeBSD has been the longish procedure for X/desktop installation - which is done separately and after the base system installation. If you are okay with KDE, I would like to exhort you to try my own preparation : pkg install mkdesktop mkdesktop It does not get much easier. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 03:12:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5531D113BBA0 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4726476C7F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.17] ([174.0.43.39]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id OwSWgy3ZSctraOwSZg15tb; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:12:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1542683540; bh=PvtYt+HHlM3o2QeSrGZZ2YnMEDRujiZiCOsZDqu+ojs=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=fTc5/hJ3NnmngwCCh0BPTBFSQi9WAeDPVm7gtpcdzT3nkxnwyTUtRHdYdYVulXpH5 yi8f7RpOdQOb+EtUli2MnLO95AaHHuxudemAgDzJjn2v6Zc9Groq6/AkWtP8clGWTH KhIsbHEWL0rAj8XRXWJHD1DbwlJ0svqAr8M1f+hRp7iNL+DMEIaVUastxl0Qb3Rlr9 HekMy9863otLaUZRdxxUGU+NH3V3i36voo6jFi2uAaoGUwBJIlf4RQiEcytJ40+W/5 GrWtC98IRyD5sT3q9sQaJVDTpwtwRFS5nB8Qh+tk/xXoc+63WItJeSIS5nEg72sE2v v9+lh1QF3NhEw== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Io3Pj43g c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:117 a=TiBur8m8wieNAdBnNdHE5Q==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rbXGaCtEAAAA:8 a=n999FUABAAAA:8 a=bHOSLnNcPyRyB5_p0o8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=p_4-6O5FIlP82heawbVc:22 a=STucfUEt0Ir3pRv2o46G:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? From: Dale Scott X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15G77) In-Reply-To: <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:12:16 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGlypVvOTDDxIfLga0MglBYSDE9Kh9wT3sWCZy+cFCB35R+xCwAW8lKgqZtvvIKXkbFFOaoLMrfhXrxg9wh/2WPXYdbhDoSg7i7IBnRjFAh4Uun74Iwk IS/PTis1k04WlSyq1K5uvxYvqEXRMaD9/3KV/i3cXGlA8NsXk/YGW9NBo5mAXAgy7hg+mnJy9LU78gAqi3wUf1+IXaJkjGp/dAkZhO+eB18tYWrY6uta4MQw X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4726476C7F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[shaw.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.59.136.128/27]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[shaw.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[shaw.ca,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net,smtp.glb.shawcable.net,idcmail-mx1so.cg.shawcable.net]; IP_SCORE(-1.93)[ip: (-5.26), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.40), asn: 6327(-1.92), country: CA(-0.10)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.810,0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[139.136.59.64.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 03:12:30 -0000 > On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:51 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 >> On 13 Nov 2018, at 06:57, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> Yes but what we don't have any real idea about is when to expect >> 12. apart from less than five years from next month. >=20 > So we already know that 11-FINAL will end its life before 12-FINAL, leavin= g us once again without a final version that we can use. >=20 > Meanwhile, Ubuntu just announce that the newest LTS version will be suppor= ted for 10 years. IIUC, The current release engineering process was seen to be the best compro= mise given the level of resources available. Assuming nothing has changed, i= t might be wishful thinking hoping for a Linux-like LTS (which I also have s= ometimes wished for). On the other hand, it might be more pragmatic to take a CI approach and lear= n how to live with the release process. Is that possible? Cheers.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 05:44:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB64113F0E8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAA4F7AEC2 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:44:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:44:22 -0700 References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <255EA5AD-4C9D-498F-AA06-57C6ECB551BD@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EAA4F7AEC2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.186,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 209(-0.27), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.01)[0.011,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.403,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:44:25 -0000 On 19 Nov 2018, at 20:12, Dale Scott wrote: > On the other hand, it might be more pragmatic to take a CI approach = and learn how to live with the release process. Is that possible? I can both live with it (as I have been doing for years) and still = complain! :) It seems obvious to me that going from FINAL to FINAL versions should be = possible, if not encouraged, and that supporting the FINAL version for = maybe a year -- or if we're really lucky two -- isn't really helping = anyone. The counter to not having the resources to maintain version support = longer is to slow version releases, not to force a faster upgrade = treadmill on everyone. --=20 Minds are like parachutes, they only work when they are open. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 05:59:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A24113F4BA for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 888167B3EE for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:59:47 -0700 References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 888167B3EE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.18)[-0.185,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 209(-0.27), country: US(-0.09)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.406,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.01)[0.012,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 05:59:49 -0000 On 19 Nov 2018, at 17:27, Polytropon wrote: > For me, FreeBSD is the primary OS not just on servers, > but also on the desktop and on laptops - the platforms > where "everyone" claims it's impossible to use it, and > for the purposes claimed to be unsuitable. :-) I've never heard anyone say it was impossible or unsuitable. Impossible for most users and unsuitable for most users, sure. (where = most means nearly all users, honesty). I would never put my wife in front of a UNIX Desktop unless it was = macOS, because she'd kill me and she wouldn't be able to get any of her = work done. --=20 Mister Teatime had a truly brilliant mind, but it was brilliant like a fractured mirror, all marvelous facets and rainbows but, ultimately, also something that was broken. --Hogfather From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 09:30:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4157A1107541 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0+544c7ba2826c6f3b=N7=iom.dk=freebsd@bina.lynpost.dk) Received: from bina.andersenit.dk (bina.andersenit.dk [87.238.248.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FB2282862 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0+544c7ba2826c6f3b=N7=iom.dk=freebsd@bina.lynpost.dk) Received: from ([217.63.111.250]) by bina.andersenit.dk (Postfix) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201811201030452342 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:30:45 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Tom - FreeBSD - IOM Subject: FreeBSD PKS (Public Key Server, security/pks) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:30:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: da X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3FB2282862 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd@iom.dk,SRS0@bina.lynpost.dk]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:87.238.248.176/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.51)[0.514,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[iom.dk]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.445,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: rika.andersenit.dk]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.78)[0.783,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd@iom.dk,SRS0@bina.lynpost.dk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[176.248.238.87.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: DK(-0.03)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:198614, ipnet:87.238.248.0/22, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[544c7ba2826c6f3b=N7=iom.dk=freebsd]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:30:48 -0000 Hi At my work we have x number of Linux Mint workstations. We are using Thunderbird with Enigmail installed so we can send encrypted emails using OpenPGP. So I have installed a FreeBSD PKS server (security/pks) and I have followed the guide from (https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/setting-up-your-own-openpgp-keyserver-why-how.59920/). I have configured my server as instructed, but I'm little confused about the file and directory permissions with the pksuser I have created. The created user is owner of /var/run/pks, /var/db/pks/db and /var/run/pks with rwx permissions. In Thunderbird on the Linux Mint client I have added the pks server (hkp://192.168.0.227) under Thunderbird -> Enigmail -> Preferences - Keyserver. And now I want to upload some of my public keys there are imported to Enigmail to my pks server. In Thunderbird under "Enigmail Key Management" I right click on one of the imported keys and choose "Upload Public Keys to Keyserver". And a new window show me the message "Enigmail Alert", "Sending of keys failed", "gpg: sending key 79F21FCF to hkp://192.168.0.227". I have search on the internet to get an answer, but there isn't so much documentation for pks on FreeBSD. The "pksuser" I have created on the server, I have also created it on the client with the same username, password and UID. But the problem is still there. There are some commands with PKS, but I can't figure out how to test the server to know if it working. When I boot the server I can see the line "Starting pksd" and no errors are shown after that. I can PING to 192.168.0.227 from the client. Can someone guide me to a solution, please? Or have someone found some more documentation for PKS? Or can someone tell me which log file on the client or on the server I can look at to see some errors regarding to the failed key upload, please? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 13:58:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFD411303CE for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3086E708 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C65A71804C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:58:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Long Term support versions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181113111556.f5870a43fbb1fe38db2a9df2@sohara.org> <20181113130504.ce9045901a6c838aee60bc19@sohara.org> <7B97FE27-E2AD-431F-A0A3-01FFF26BC121@kreme.com> <20181113135750.ea704ac41e688fd98cc8fa0c@sohara.org> <49621BE5-435A-4078-85CA-478DC81854A1@kreme.com> <255EA5AD-4C9D-498F-AA06-57C6ECB551BD@kreme.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8576be5a-8ea4-5258-01f6-2c09ef81cc6d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:58:53 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <255EA5AD-4C9D-498F-AA06-57C6ECB551BD@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3B3086E708 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.30)[-0.295,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.407,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.35)[0.352,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:58:56 -0000 On 11/19/18 11:44 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 19 Nov 2018, at 20:12, Dale Scott wrote: >> On the other hand, it might be more pragmatic to take a CI approach and learn how to live with the release process. Is that possible? > > I can both live with it (as I have been doing for years) and still complain! :) > > It seems obvious to me that going from FINAL to FINAL versions should be possible, if not encouraged, and that supporting the FINAL version for maybe a year -- or if we're really lucky two -- isn't really helping anyone. > > The counter to not having the resources to maintain version support longer is to slow version releases, not to force a faster upgrade treadmill on everyone. > Then we will ot look as "advanced" version wise as others. Firefox is over version 60 already. Of course evr their release does not live up to the word release. Security patches all the time... I remember, when RedHat started racing with version number (not Enterprise, just regular one: version 8, then 9) in the discussion about "having larger version number" than others someone mentioned: you will never catch up with Microsoft: they already have Windows 2000 ;-) Valeri > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 14:39:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4A41131687 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-f181.google.com (mail-vk1-f181.google.com [209.85.221.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A416FE26 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id o130so441589vke.10 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 06:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p+V0wj/cA65JI1tiB5DTIQK0LgRZ8gVMOE1wcQ9Epok=; b=BpmpE7yX4wOFGpd+WbUa+SMIZh8z/USQOJbZMw8quYEa5KruhKj/4dBJ7MA1YukSTj VsAkQUnAMiJhIcJRImBAjcgfDZVfPaS5Tqhi12SGpJNlz8yH+veffYgdOL30HP+GMFzF YCEjMo7uOVzucfBZXh4kF21l7k/ih8S4G228CUSxjczSc6bREYjKIBJGATbJdXnstHsT +y1Et4hBZ6wTIAti3nlLH5LuFP5/Url1cj7ydIfM8tr25u2bqKU2wq0f0u4q9EpjaEup 1cPkhDPJdKRA16wmMQoNk3sVaudFFugGTgMnLZ4zJx5gGazPV0gdGcxAFzV3eOBtHI8D OlzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWY/whLeI5QxQOdSZJFeWLSJHydxCsqm43FU4JeAjYsjRadbXn7o eZBIif6TGsOJS70iUbzm4RoIDJrHw1rI9C9XxL2z+A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UDJBjC9JGDcj2yy1JmaHOH+B2J+aHAdpbuRwQ+zsq5Cn+N4nSlH1OgRGIy2wu7wYFD1lFdEiad3VzWXCKNhZk= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:a8c5:: with SMTP id r188mr740444vke.44.1542718251397; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 04:50:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: CeDeROM Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: kremels@kreme.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 31A416FE26 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.48), asn: 15169(-1.61), country: US(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tlen.pl]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[181.221.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.944,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:39:55 -0000 On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:59 AM @lbutlr wrote: > I would never put my wife in front of a UNIX Desktop unless it was macOS, because she'd kill me and she wouldn't be able to get any of her work done. I also know "wifes" that works on OpenBSD desktop with Window Maker WM making most of the work from Emacs + Python shell (although I prefer ViM myself) :-) :-) What I mean by Desktop is also a Laptop computer environment for everyday use :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 18:51:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E37113992D for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x129.google.com (mail-it1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C50C7BA09 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x129.google.com with SMTP id a205-v6so4950576itd.4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:51:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xbff5hMhJ99iWvHpjjU8aUmasPwTqyhkSRS+6u8J9Uk=; b=uZcfCF2qHluDwKuzGGRQIcJq8HGysODfi33UR+CxvZzTke0QzRKV7DwDpxpoLMf+54 QeWuF5Xc/Yt3FmUJMhO37qenyBDm28rsSAX3R1ONw0pgqsg31tXRmc9llIqEYpAFh8DH sDFcnrZ7H1Cdr7TGcw0OivSpKKv+alayQIs5CJ46IXuzGGJorNoV5ks1ddg0DThbr36X T4aFYJYTQFsyO7334WBr5LeelCnCJqLzgCxWyQ7lgBkYb2LJMszvrQ247JKhBNAZB85V IOq4IZ3uXLUojQdrtweoA8b+JFuG3gzyVgNTJENSdVkZ2h7j9vZxE2y1MtgOcdLijjR2 lBQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xbff5hMhJ99iWvHpjjU8aUmasPwTqyhkSRS+6u8J9Uk=; b=LcmpcpvKj0v8miP6t1IhKX5XM7ySf0icEZWSbsYLqtY4xZERJmx2yfq2rn8HpnwWXz URCHO9oODx3WC1DINz2/ySpv7nMX5c96FRvmsFMtnt3tKiq51Wim126lOFglGea+MDW0 fuZU3YLYTiEJOs+Z7KYQZKtBYAP5mBcnENRrMtK/4T5YIuiCnui4PcfVqLZYO/knNXXD k8O3+PTdOJh9biGtF6fHU9oFxcuMe1qUDheMrdu7+HcHeCM0A1v0WNl/hn8PWsIcNRk1 oPyVk4xWMqpa6CRDzwgSgxBJRRFYCkdCdmaZh/usam9t+xbhxY2Jcmt0ce2qqoUrqgf8 KfEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gI70aSJlaNQWEnTlq4ZH2pqIDXUTmNRd9Vnk9XAv0YRXHVVhG90 DwyxXrmprK3oQHzS9120fgtx40mQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dnrZQDyXI9Eg1/HG+vWOut3ouj0fEYVrLKeQy8Nk/O0gy25oykmFm1pOy3U38MHjg9mFd94w== X-Received: by 2002:a24:c846:: with SMTP id w67-v6mr3053178itf.32.1542739869282; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.10.7] (cpe-65-25-48-31.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.48.31]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b8-v6sm4748919itd.35.2018.11.20.10.51.07 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:51:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5BF45792.8020809@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:50:58 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Help with ipfw ipfwlog0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C50C7BA09 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-2.23)[ip: (-7.05), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.38), asn: 15169(-1.61), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:51:11 -0000 In (man ipfw) there is a short blip about the pseudo interface ipfwlog0. Really not enough info to go on. Here is my problem, when running ipfw firewall on the host and inside of a vnet jail the log messages from the jail get intermingled into the hosts ipfw log /var/log/security. To test if I can get around this design flaw I am thinking that if I set up a pseudo interface ipfwlog0 in the vnet jail then the ipfw rule log option would log to this log in the vnet jail. Can this be done? Will the logged packets be written to both logs? Add firewall_lofif="YES" to rc.conf in the vnet jail to create the logging-pseudo interface. Is this going to become a file in /var/log/ipfwlog0 within the vnet jail without any manual help? Thanks for any help on this subject. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 22:05:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DC5113FA2E for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18BCC861EE for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F7D26248 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:04:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C8dbPW7ccdsh for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DFB52623D for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:04:38 -0500 Subject: no host record for pkg.freebsd.org From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 18BCC861EE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.19 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca,mx132.harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[pkg.freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.930,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.452,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:05:01 -0000 Can someone explain this behaviour to me? # fetch http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz fetch: http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz: No address record # drill pkg.freebsd.org ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 23998 ;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;; pkg.freebsd.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: pkg.freebsd.org. 253 IN CNAME pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. 103 IN A 96.47.72.71 . . . I am trying to upgrade this host to 11.2 and it will not fetch the necessary packages. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 22:10:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC77113FDC8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 250ED8663A for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC0926260 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:10:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GZ6wZkS3KI9d for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C09C26251 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: <64c2068387953ed1716e86f13fd64e49.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:10:28 -0500 Subject: [SOLVED] Re: no host record for pkg.freebsd.org From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 250ED8663A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.19 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[pkg.freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.932,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.454,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:10:33 -0000 This was due to a previous freebsd-update fetch and install munging /etc/resolv.conf. On Tue, November 20, 2018 17:04, James B. Byrne wrote: > Can someone explain this behaviour to me? > > # fetch > http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz > fetch: > http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:11:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.txz: No > address record > > # drill pkg.freebsd.org > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, rcode: NOERROR, id: 23998 > ;; flags: qr rd ra ; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 3 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;; pkg.freebsd.org. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > pkg.freebsd.org. 253 IN CNAME > pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. > pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org. 103 IN A 96.47.72.71 > . . . > > I am trying to upgrade this host to 11.2 and it will not fetch the > necessary packages. > > > -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 04:48:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A684110443F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mp@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582FE6E61A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mp@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7496A682D6 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:47:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Nv9nsdPTATA for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:47:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C35EB682CC for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:47:57 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Matthias Petermann Subject: GPT partitions on whole disk gmirror - questions about the metadata issue Message-ID: <00d5a6a8-54ee-d5f8-955b-16ec3a9630e6@petermann-it.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:47:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 582FE6E61A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.858,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.06)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.43), asn: 24940(-2.85), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:07 -0000 Hello, in section 18.3 of the FreeBSD handbook[1] there is a warning regarding using whole disc mirroring with gmirror together with GPT: "gmirror(8) stores one block of metadata at the end of the disk. Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, mirroring entire GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended. MBR partitioning is used here because it only stores a partition table at the start of the disk and does not conflict with the mirror metadata." Why is it that gmirror does not represent the mirrored device for the levels above it in a way that does not allow access to the last block containing the metadata? Would it be enough to simply mimic a smaller device, one block less than the underlying providers? In the case mentioned above, the workaround is to first partition both providers using GPT and then form gmirrors from two GPT partitions each. In this case, the metadata problem should not be critical because gmirror exists within the partition itself. Here is my further question: how does the file system (UFS) ensure that e.g. newfs does not overwrite the last block of a gmirror in this setting? Best regards, Matthias [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de Innovative IT-Lösungen, Systemintegration, FreeBSD/Unix-Support Wildparkring 13, 01458 Ottendorf-Okrilla | Tel.: +49 (0)35205 597 991 GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 04:48:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD87110446F for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0056E624 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475A3682E3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:48:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QuhPNYnHL6Eb for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:48:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88051682D8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Petermann Subject: GPT partitions on whole disk gmirror - questions about the metadata issue To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <0524022a-8776-1152-b136-e5b49897aff6@petermann-it.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:47:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AA0056E624 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.859,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.06)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.45), asn: 24940(-2.85), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:48:19 -0000 Hello, in section 18.3 of the FreeBSD handbook[1] there is a warning regarding using whole disc mirroring with gmirror together with GPT: "gmirror(8) stores one block of metadata at the end of the disk. Because GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, mirroring entire GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended. MBR partitioning is used here because it only stores a partition table at the start of the disk and does not conflict with the mirror metadata." Why is it that gmirror does not represent the mirrored device for the levels above it in a way that does not allow access to the last block containing the metadata? Would it be enough to simply mimic a smaller device, one block less than the underlying providers? In the case mentioned above, the workaround is to first partition both providers using GPT and then form gmirrors from two GPT partitions each. In this case, the metadata problem should not be critical because gmirror exists within the partition itself. Here is my further question: how does the file system (UFS) ensure that e.g. newfs does not overwrite the last block of a gmirror in this setting? Best regards, Matthias [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 05:14:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66AE110517A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362BA6F26B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5ED68454 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:14:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XT8sNK0YOA39 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:14:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 859E66844A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:14:26 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions From: Matthias Petermann Subject: Performance considerations on vnode backed memory disks (throughput) Message-ID: <7394023e-d761-7264-84b7-bcf6f7c8e18f@petermann-it.de> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 06:13:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 362BA6F26B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.965,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.07)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.47), asn: 24940(-2.86), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:14:29 -0000 Hello everybody, Yesterday I made an attempt and wondered a lot about the result. 1) Given is a system with two physical disks: The first disk is the system disk partitioned with GPT and formatted with UFS SU + J. The second disk is the data disk, also partitioned with GPT and formatted with UFS SU + J. Both partitions are about 1 GB in size. If I transfer a large file from the system disk to the data disk in this constellation, I get a throughput of 80 MB / s. 2) Then I extended the setup so that a memory disk is created and mounted on the data partition: root @ nas: / data # truncate -s 128G /data/vol1.img root @ nas: / data # mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /data/vol1.img md1 root @ nas: / data # newfs -U /dev /md1 root @ nas: / data # mount /dev/md1 /mnt If I transfer a large file from the system disk to the memory disk on the data disk in this constellation, I get a throughput of 20 MB / s. I am well aware that there must be an overhead. That this is so massive, however, surprised me. Which optimization options are available here? I would like to stay with sparse files. I would be very happy about some ideas or discussions on this topic. Best regards, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 12:16:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8211136C00 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43747D1BA for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404BE69C41 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:16:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56GrteUEWf4A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:16:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 647BF69C32 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:16:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: GPT partitions on whole disk gmirror - questions about the metadata issue To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0524022a-8776-1152-b136-e5b49897aff6@petermann-it.de> From: Matthias Petermann Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:16:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0524022a-8776-1152-b136-e5b49897aff6@petermann-it.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E43747D1BA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.920,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.08)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.50), asn: 24940(-2.88), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:16:45 -0000 Hello, in the meantime I did some further research and found out that newfs has a parameter to reserve some space at the end of the to be formatted device. The manpage newfs(8) states: "-r reserved The size, in sectors, of reserved space at the end of the partition specified in special. This space will not be occupied by the file system; it can be used by other consumers such as geom(4). Defaults to 0. " Anyway, I did not see anyone using the -r parameter using for formatting a filesystem in a gmirror based device[1], and wondering at the same time as the default of "0" would mean to me that at some point - maybe only after the filesystem has filled up - it would touch the very last block on the disc and overwrite the gmirror meta data. Especially in the case of the illustrated workaround for GPT partitioned devices: +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |+-------------------------------------------------------------------+| ||+-----------------------------------------------------------------+|| |||+---------------------------------------------------+-----------+||| |||| UFS Filesystem | gmirror |||| |||| | meta |||| |||| | data |||| |||+---------------------------------------------------+-----------+||| ||| /dev/mirror/data ||| ||+-----------------------------------------------------------------+|| || /dev/gpt/data1 || |+-------------------------------------------------------------------+| | /dev/ada0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ So what is the general advice to deal with that? Is it safe to use newfs without -r and why? Kind regards, Matthias [1] http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html [2] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-10-2-install-with-gpt-and-gmirror.55400/ [3] https://www.ateamsystems.com/tech-blog/installing-freebsd-9-gmirror-gpt-partitions-raid-1/ Am 21.11.2018 um 05:47 schrieb Matthias Petermann: > Hello, > > in section 18.3 of the FreeBSD handbook[1] there is a warning regarding > using whole disc mirroring with gmirror together with GPT: > > "gmirror(8) stores one block of metadata at the end of the disk. Because > GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, > mirroring entire GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended. MBR > partitioning is used here because it only stores a partition table at > the start of the disk and does not conflict with the mirror metadata." > > Why is it that gmirror does not represent the mirrored device for the > levels above it in a way that does not allow access to the last block > containing the metadata? Would it be enough to simply mimic a smaller > device, one block less than the underlying providers? > > In the case mentioned above, the workaround is to first partition both > providers using GPT and then form gmirrors from two GPT partitions each. > In this case, the metadata problem should not be critical because > gmirror exists within the partition itself. Here is my further question: > how does the file system (UFS) ensure that e.g. newfs does not overwrite > the last block of a gmirror in this setting? > > Best regards, > Matthias > > [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html > -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 14:33:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6572113AC5A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4302883013 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAD026B4D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:33:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0g23n7Av4W30 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40C2626B44 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:33:32 -0500 Message-ID: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:33:32 -0500 Subject: ZFS pool - HEALTH fault From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4302883013 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.737,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:33:35 -0000 Immediately following an upgrade from FreeBSD-11.1 to 11.2p4 we received the following warning. I can see the suggested remedy but I need to know why this has happened first. We have previously upgraded numerous hosts from FreeBSd-11.1 to 11.2, all of which are using zfs, and no other system has reported such a fault, ZFS pool - HEALTH fault NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT zroot 296G 182G 114G - - 55% 61% 1.00x ONLINE - pool: zroot state: ONLINE status: Some supported features are not enabled on the pool. The pool can still be used, but some features are unavailable. action: Enable all features using 'zpool upgrade'. Once this is done, the pool may no longer be accessible by software that does not support the features. See zpool-features(7) for details. scan: scrub repaired 0 in 6h1m with 0 errors on Sun Nov 18 07:01:32 2018 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zroot ONLINE 0 0 0 vtbd0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 17:43:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59305113FE5C for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from che@bein.link) Received: from mail.bein.link (bein.link [37.252.124.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 916B16D402 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from che@bein.link) Received: from mail.bein.link (unknown [172.16.32.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bein.link (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D892F24BEAF; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:43:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.12.1 From: "Maxim Filimonov" Message-ID: <6512f541d65c562c27870f914d4a9a85@bein.link> Subject: Re: ZFS pool - HEALTH fault To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bein.link; s=mail; t=1542822210; bh=lcBc4bmcCJPOMuUgJGOcVEo/E4M=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:References; b=ciKt0bdL+DJ6Nj7VnZhlx71e6ftUTrUq/qd0ahxOqBK497iMPGNKB+58T6uHqKENyOnHw5CeuCAwmmL7Vxku3F4pENlNkp96azs6mTlxM33S02pUyaqJR7R3GH5f2Dhtd6e1VPS1Npe6sVPIapDAsaLYAFlb8IjhhhUJEKi1SDQ= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 916B16D402 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bein.link]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.59)[-0.590,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.68)[0.685,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.58)[-0.580,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bein.link]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bein.link:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.bein.link]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: NL(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:37.252.120.0/21, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:43:41 -0000 >From what I can see, it says here the pool is okay, but it's an older poo= l, so you might want to "upgrade" it in order to enable the newest featur= es.=0A=0ANovember 21, 2018 5:37 PM, "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions= " =0Awrote:=0A=0A> Immediately following a= n upgrade from FreeBSD-11.1 to 11.2p4 we=0A> received the following warni= ng. I can see the suggested remedy but I=0A> need to know why this has ha= ppened first. We have previously upgraded=0A> numerous hosts from FreeBSd= -11.1 to 11.2, all of which are using zfs,=0A> and no other system has re= ported such a fault,=0A> =0A> ZFS pool - HEALTH fault=0A> =0A> NAME SIZE = ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP=0A> HEALTH ALTROOT=0A> zroot 2= 96G 182G 114G - - 55% 61% 1.00x=0A> ONLINE -=0A> =0A> pool: zroot=0A> sta= te: ONLINE=0A> status: Some supported features are not enabled on the poo= l. The=0A> pool can still be used, but some features are unavailable.=0A>= =0A> action: Enable all features using 'zpool upgrade'. Once this is don= e,=0A> the pool may no longer be accessible by software that does=0A> not= support the features. See zpool-features(7) for details.=0A> =0A> scan: = scrub repaired 0 in 6h1m with 0 errors on Sun Nov 18 07:01:32=0A> 2018=0A= > =0A> config:=0A> =0A> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM=0A> zroot ONLINE 0 0 = 0=0A> vtbd0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0=0A> =0A> errors: No known data errors=0A> =0A>= -- =0A> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel ***=0A> Do NOT transmit sensi= tive data via e-Mail=0A> Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by= e-Mail=0A> =0A> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca=0A> Harte & = Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca=0A> 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 56= 1 1241=0A> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757=0A> Canada L8E 3C3=0A> = =0A> _______________________________________________=0A> freebsd-question= s@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo= /freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-question= s-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----=0Awbr, Maxim V Filimono= v From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 17:46:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406C11140006 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from che@bein.link) Received: from mail.bein.link (bein.link [37.252.124.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5EA6D584 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from che@bein.link) Received: from mail.bein.link (unknown [172.16.32.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bein.link (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7150124BEB5; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.12.1 From: "Maxim Filimonov" Message-ID: <3e02983b61c3c57bc569681235e48d5b@bein.link> Subject: Re: ZFS pool - HEALTH fault To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bein.link; s=mail; t=1542822382; bh=reIaB09bDKf8CXORiXkrM/rkPQo=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:References; b=rP9loycwDm/Iek/sKC0H/gT1IMCzv87maNPiO8zob88809w5nd076inb5y5DHb6IPAvAQu70oNPkWxjamGSZlNhLzLqIGWSHL12ZgEOlGkjfulsb6T22LKMSHa3B1SB4F9ILUfY67DRct4wNgxDkWnMUSkMFyFMto35I+IEtehQ= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BF5EA6D584 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bein.link]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.59)[-0.590,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.68)[0.684,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.58)[-0.581,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bein.link]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bein.link:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.bein.link]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: NL(0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:37.252.120.0/21, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:46:25 -0000 Ergo, this is not even an actual fault. It just tells you you might want = to "upgrade" the pool.=0A=0ANovember 21, 2018 5:37 PM, "James B. Byrne vi= a freebsd-questions" =0Awrote:=0A=0A> Imme= diately following an upgrade from FreeBSD-11.1 to 11.2p4 we=0A> received = the following warning. I can see the suggested remedy but I=0A> need to k= now why this has happened first. We have previously upgraded=0A> numerous= hosts from FreeBSd-11.1 to 11.2, all of which are using zfs,=0A> and no = other system has reported such a fault,=0A> =0A> ZFS pool - HEALTH fault= =0A> =0A> NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP=0A> HEALTH= ALTROOT=0A> zroot 296G 182G 114G - - 55% 61% 1.00x=0A> ONLINE -=0A> =0A>= pool: zroot=0A> state: ONLINE=0A> status: Some supported features are no= t enabled on the pool. The=0A> pool can still be used, but some features = are unavailable.=0A> =0A> action: Enable all features using 'zpool upgrad= e'. Once this is done,=0A> the pool may no longer be accessible by softwa= re that does=0A> not support the features. See zpool-features(7) for deta= ils.=0A> =0A> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 6h1m with 0 errors on Sun Nov 18 = 07:01:32=0A> 2018=0A> =0A> config:=0A> =0A> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM= =0A> zroot ONLINE 0 0 0=0A> vtbd0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0=0A> =0A> errors: No know= n data errors=0A> =0A> -- =0A> *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel ***=0A>= Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail=0A> Do NOT open attachments no= r follow links sent by e-Mail=0A> =0A> James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Hart= e-Lyne.ca=0A> Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca=0A> 9 Brockle= y Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241=0A> Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757= =0A> Canada L8E 3C3=0A> =0A> ____________________________________________= ___=0A> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> https://lists.free= bsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any m= ail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----= =0Awbr, Maxim V Filimonov From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 19:43:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477E31143959 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@johnea.net) Received: from mail.johnea.net (johnea.net [70.167.123.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EAA972971 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@johnea.net) Received: from [192.168.100.192] (w520.johnea.net [192.168.100.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.johnea.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31D5D5F23726; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:42:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: GPT partitions on whole disk gmirror - questions about the metadata issue To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00d5a6a8-54ee-d5f8-955b-16ec3a9630e6@petermann-it.de> From: freebsd@johnea.net Message-ID: <9ef2ae44-22aa-0dd8-d47b-2166ad64e749@johnea.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 11:42:39 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00d5a6a8-54ee-d5f8-955b-16ec3a9630e6@petermann-it.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US-large Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0EAA972971 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.13)[-0.127,0]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[johnea.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.03)[-0.029,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.848,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[7.123.167.70.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.johnea.net]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[asn: 22773(0.78), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.167.112.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:43:00 -0000 Hello Matthias, I'm very interested in this question as well, but I'm afraid I can't offer authoritative answers 8-( There is a similar subject discussed in this blog post: http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2017/zfs-is-not-always-the-answer-bring-back-gmirror/ Mostly in the final comment at the bottom. Warren Block has offered very helpful advice regarding freebsd storage in general. Specifically these two howto's are related: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html But this conflict in the last sector remains a problem. With the broader industry scope of GPT, versus the FreeBSD specific nature of gmirror, it is obviously gmirror that will need to change if these two system are to be made cooperative. To my eye, ZFS seems heavy handed, and loaded with many features that aren't critical for my applications. (personally I liken it to btrfs) I hope the conflict of whole disk gmirror containing GPT partitions can be resolved. This GPT/gmirror conflict has been around for years now, but as the prevalence of drives > 2TB becomes almost universal, the old process of using MBR for whole disk gmirrors is becoming increasingly ineffective. I hope someone knowledgeable in the internals of gmirror can speak to your question... johnea On 11/20/18 8:47 PM, Matthias Petermann wrote: > Hello, > > in section 18.3 of the FreeBSD handbook[1] there is a warning regarding > using whole disc mirroring with gmirror together with GPT: > > "gmirror(8) stores one block of metadata at the end of the disk. Because > GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, > mirroring entire GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended. MBR > partitioning is used here because it only stores a partition table at > the start of the disk and does not conflict with the mirror metadata." > > Why is it that gmirror does not represent the mirrored device for the > levels above it in a way that does not allow access to the last block > containing the metadata? Would it be enough to simply mimic a smaller > device, one block less than the underlying providers? > > In the case mentioned above, the workaround is to first partition both > providers using GPT and then form gmirrors from two GPT partitions each. > In this case, the metadata problem should not be critical because > gmirror exists within the partition itself. Here is my further question: > how does the file system (UFS) ensure that e.g. newfs does not overwrite > the last block of a gmirror in this setting? > > Best regards, > Matthias > > [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 21:29:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F3C1146FBC for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DBBC7787B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3B5273C3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:29:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rS_mRMbhGgnE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCBDB273BA for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20181121174530.GA3992@neutralgood.org> References: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20181121174530.GA3992@neutralgood.org> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:28:57 -0500 Subject: Re: ZFS pool - HEALTH fault From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2DBBC7787B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.918,0]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.07)[-0.072,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:29:05 -0000 On Wed, November 21, 2018 12:45, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 09:33:32AM -0500, James B. Byrne via > freebsd-questions wrote: >> Immediately following an upgrade from FreeBSD-11.1 to 11.2p4 we >> received the following warning. I can see the suggested remedy >> but I need to know why this has happened first. We have >> previously upgraded numerous hosts from FreeBSd-11.1 to 11.2, >> all of which are using zfs, and no other system has reported >> such a fault, >> >> ZFS pool - HEALTH fault > > This message that says "HEALTH fault" comes from what? What command > prints this message? It comes from a regularly scheduled health check script whose relevant portion is: condition=$(/sbin/zpool status | egrep -i '(DEGRADED|FAULTED|OFFLINE|UNAVAIL|REMOVED|FAIL|DESTROYED|corrupt|cannot|unrecover)') if [ "${condition}" ]; then emailSubject="`hostname` - ZFS pool - HEALTH fault" problems=1 fi Given that the status is none of the above I infer that one or more of the words |corrupt|cannot|unrecover| appeared in whatever message zpool status emitted. However, running this command from the command line produces nothing containing any of the trigger words. > > Because the pool is perfectly healthy. There's nothing wrong. > The pool was created on an earlier version of FreeBSD before > some features were implemented. Now that they are supported > by FreeBSD you can upgrade your pool to use them. But that > doesn't mean there is anything wrong. > > There is no problem here aside from some program not recognizing > the note that tells you about new features being available. > -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 21 21:43:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3D0114768A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:191:217b::25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C00782B7 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:43:48 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail201809; t=1542836629; bh=HpabXocJ3BcRc7EANJISUuKx2/NBn9gCzOfrXkarFMI=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:from:to: subject:date:content-type:mime-version:message-id; b=DPysQENCtG6XFjVQEh9dvNBVdVZd2yfS/8ZJve1r9y8f22vx85ZDlVTPYWxPeFGI1 OSnqEudAAPXOSUo5SLldcYzbhcibQeCb6gUt9Q5GOcUkbwHUZMYh96QizFgr02pr7G nVRmsQX25CyB0SpxRdv6ep+tc9WSrwpjXOgqDMcZtYQS/XElHjaYB1x5YvFNw2YKe/ t7ntSapl/8js7QhFUzDe8kJ8ZhYvqeWou3mDqHE9oE2ZknReZPXUZGxDAUX3zGV/AA r9zVnfuzWuLIePPBZnN6V3+1AefaMAK+sC6gdPVN7zx90jGDdgV/PkgGpqiCtoecQD ZaEDhQVfs8Htg== Message-ID: <87y39mqf6z.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS pool - HEALTH fault In-Reply-To: References: <4f40f0c404b8384a571f0c13eb9c2136.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20181121174530.GA3992@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/27.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 63C00782B7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:4f8:191:217b::25]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.bsd4all.net]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.27)[ipnet: 2a01:4f8::/29(-3.43), asn: 24940(-2.91), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:43:59 -0000 On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:28:57 +0100, "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" wrote: > > On Wed, November 21, 2018 12:45, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 09:33:32AM -0500, James B. Byrne via > > freebsd-questions wrote: > >> Immediately following an upgrade from FreeBSD-11.1 to 11.2p4 we > >> received the following warning. I can see the suggested remedy > >> but I need to know why this has happened first. We have > >> previously upgraded numerous hosts from FreeBSd-11.1 to 11.2, > >> all of which are using zfs, and no other system has reported > >> such a fault, > >> > >> ZFS pool - HEALTH fault > > > > This message that says "HEALTH fault" comes from what? What command > > prints this message? > > It comes from a regularly scheduled health check script whose relevant > portion is: > > condition=$(/sbin/zpool status | egrep -i > '(DEGRADED|FAULTED|OFFLINE|UNAVAIL|REMOVED|FAIL|DESTROYED|corrupt|cannot|unrecover)') > if [ "${condition}" ]; then > emailSubject="`hostname` - ZFS pool - HEALTH fault" > problems=1 > fi > > Given that the status is none of the above I infer that one or more of > the words |corrupt|cannot|unrecover| appeared in whatever message > zpool status emitted. However, running this command from the command > line produces nothing containing any of the trigger words. UNAVAIL in "still be used, but some features are unavailable". -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 22 04:46:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9686A1136B65 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 04:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5F089DEF for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 04:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C0A6CB40 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:46:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VY5iA33cC_MZ for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:46:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B20C6CB35 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:46:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: GPT partitions on whole disk gmirror - questions about the metadata issue To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00d5a6a8-54ee-d5f8-955b-16ec3a9630e6@petermann-it.de> <9ef2ae44-22aa-0dd8-d47b-2166ad64e749@johnea.net> From: Matthias Petermann Message-ID: <18f2ee43-bbf7-75fe-019b-55c81416bcbd@petermann-it.de> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:45:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ef2ae44-22aa-0dd8-d47b-2166ad64e749@johnea.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BF5F089DEF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.927,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.56), asn: 24940(-2.91), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 04:46:38 -0000 Hello John, Thank you for your answer and your thoughts on the subject. I'm completely with you what ZFS is concerned. I am glad that we have the choice in FreeBSD and I prefer to make my decision according to the expected workload and the potential of the available hardware. In the meantime, I have made a few experiments on my understanding of gmirror metadata. I attach the protocol here once including my conclusions. From my naive point of view, the problems of GPT on whole disk gmirror are not that dramatic. I would be very happy about comments. Kind regards, Matthias 0) Preface I am going to setup a gmirror using two file based memory discs as components. Once the gmirror is active, I create a GPT partitioning scheme on it, format with UFS and read / write some data. After this I plan to perform some re-partitioning steps to verify that the metadata records in the last sectors are safe and not corrupted by this. If the kernel outputs something in dmesg while doing this, I record the log entries with timestamp. 1) Setup components root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # truncate -s 512m vol1.img root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # truncate -s 512m vol2.img root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # mdconfig -a -t vnode -f vol1.img md0 root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # mdconfig -a -t vnode -f vol2.img md1 2) Build gmirror of components md0 and md1 root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gmirror label test /dev/md0 /dev/md1 Nov 22 04:52:24 l-mpe-fbsd kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/test launched (2/2). 3) Create GPT partitioning scheme on test mirror root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gpart create -s gpt /dev/mirror/test mirror/test created 4) Check last sectors of components 1FFFFBF0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 45 46 49 20 │ 50 41 52 54 │ 00 00 01 00 ................EFI PART.... 1FFFFC0C 5C 00 00 00 │ 57 8E 30 76 │ 00 00 00 00 │ FE FF 0F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 01 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 \...W.0v.................. 1FFFFC28 28 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ D7 FF 0F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 4E C8 72 1E │ 0A EE E8 11 │ A8 29 F0 DE (.............Nr...) 1FFFFC44 F1 DD 9D 59 │ DE FF 0F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 80 00 00 00 │ 80 00 00 00 │ 86 D2 54 AB │ 00 00 00 00 .Y...............T.... 1FFFFC60 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC7C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC98 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCB4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCD0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCEC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD08 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD24 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD40 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD5C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD78 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD94 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDB0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDCC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDE8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 47 45 4F 4D ........................GEOM 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 FF FF FF │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 73 74 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ::MIRROR.....test........ . 1FFFFE20 00 00 00 00 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00 ....IKs.<................ . 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40 .........................@ 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00 .......................... . 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 58 │ 3C 77 29 C0 │ 9B 60 4D B4 │ 68 4E CF F9 │ CD FD 5D 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...X /mnt/test.txt root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # cat /mnt/test.txt test root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # umount /mnt/ 8) Remove GPT Partitioning schema root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gpart destroy -F /dev/mirror/test mirror/test destroyed 9) Check last sectors of components 1FFFFBF0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC0C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC28 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC44 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC60 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC7C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFC98 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCB4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCD0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFCEC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD08 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD24 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD40 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD5C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD78 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFD94 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDB0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDCC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDE8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 47 45 4F 4D ........................GEOM 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 73 74 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ::MIRROR........test........ 1FFFFE20 A0 07 5F E9 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00 ._IKs.<................ 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40 .........................@ 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00 .......................... . 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 BE │ 2B CF 02 21 │ 60 DB DE FB │ AB FC D2 03 │ 26 F6 64 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...+.!`.&d......... 1FFFFE90 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEAC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEC8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEE4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF00 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF1C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF38 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF54 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF70 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF8C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFA8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFC4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFE0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...................t.....@ . Looks good: the gmirror label in the last block was untouched, the secondary GPT header correctly removed. 10) Re-Create GPT partitioning scheme, partition and format root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gpart create -s gpt /dev/mirror/test mirror/test created root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l test /dev/mirror/test mirror/testp1 added root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # newfs -j /dev/gpt/test /dev/gpt/test: 512.0MB (1048496 sectors) block size 32768, fragment size 4096 using 4 cylinder groups of 128.00MB, 4096 blks, 16384 inodes. with soft updates super-block backups (for fsck_ffs -b #) at: 192, 262336, 524480, 786624 Using inode 4 in cg 0 for 4194304 byte journal newfs: soft updates journaling set root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # 11) Stop mirror root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # gmirror stop test Nov 22 05:06:44 l-mpe-fbsd kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device test: provider destroyed. Nov 22 05:06:44 l-mpe-fbsd kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device test destroyed. Nov 22 05:06:44 l-mpe-fbsd kernel: GEOM: md1: the secondary GPT header is not in the last LBA. Nov 22 05:06:44 l-mpe-fbsd kernel: GEOM: md0: the secondary GPT header is not in the last LBA. 12) Conclusion From the observations I conclude: * As long as no disc previously partitioned with GPT is added / converted to a gmirror, there is no danger of overwriting metadata * As long as the gmirror is active, both primary and secondary GPT headers are correctly recognized and managed by the kernel * If the gmirror is paused, the kernel components are again single disks whose secondary GPT header is not found because it starts a block too early. This circumstance is reported by the kernel (as seen in step 11) From an extended experiment on real hardware (two physical disks with root filesystem instead of memory disks) I could conclude: * When geom_mirror is loaded in loader.conf, the gmirror is active early enough to not notice inconsistencies from the kernel's point of view (due to the position of the secondary GPT header) What would interest me: * What are the possible consequences of not finding the secondary GPT header in the eyes of the UEFI firmware? Is it conceivable that a system refuses to boot because of this? * What potential problems have I missed? Am 21.11.2018 um 20:42 schrieb freebsd@johnea.net: > > Hello Matthias, > > I'm very interested in this question as well, but I'm afraid I can't offer authoritative answers 8-( > > There is a similar subject discussed in this blog post: > http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2017/zfs-is-not-always-the-answer-bring-back-gmirror/ > > Mostly in the final comment at the bottom. > > Warren Block has offered very helpful advice regarding freebsd storage in general. > > Specifically these two howto's are related: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/gmirror.html > > But this conflict in the last sector remains a problem. > > With the broader industry scope of GPT, versus the FreeBSD specific nature of gmirror, it is obviously gmirror that will need to change if these two system are to be made cooperative. > > To my eye, ZFS seems heavy handed, and loaded with many features that aren't critical for my applications. (personally I liken it to btrfs) I hope the conflict of whole disk gmirror containing GPT partitions can be resolved. > > This GPT/gmirror conflict has been around for years now, but as the prevalence of drives > 2TB becomes almost universal, the old process of using MBR for whole disk gmirrors is becoming increasingly ineffective. > > I hope someone knowledgeable in the internals of gmirror can speak to your question... > > johnea > > > On 11/20/18 8:47 PM, Matthias Petermann wrote: >> Hello, >> >> in section 18.3 of the FreeBSD handbook[1] there is a warning regarding >> using whole disc mirroring with gmirror together with GPT: >> >> "gmirror(8) stores one block of metadata at the end of the disk. Because >> GPT partition schemes also store metadata at the end of the disk, >> mirroring entire GPT disks with gmirror(8) is not recommended. MBR >> partitioning is used here because it only stores a partition table at >> the start of the disk and does not conflict with the mirror metadata." >> >> Why is it that gmirror does not represent the mirrored device for the >> levels above it in a way that does not allow access to the last block >> containing the metadata? Would it be enough to simply mimic a smaller >> device, one block less than the underlying providers? >> >> In the case mentioned above, the workaround is to first partition both >> providers using GPT and then form gmirrors from two GPT partitions each. >> In this case, the metadata problem should not be critical because >> gmirror exists within the partition itself. Here is my further question: >> how does the file system (UFS) ensure that e.g. newfs does not overwrite >> the last block of a gmirror in this setting? >> >> Best regards, >> Matthias >> >> [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/geom-mirror.html >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 22 05:57:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831771139A0B for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A007E8C30F for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD6CE30; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:56:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FqieHjOPchup; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:56:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p57B9DA90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.185.218.144]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08E846CE25; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:56:57 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions Cc: freebsd@johnea.net From: Matthias Petermann Subject: newfs overwriting gmirror label? Message-ID: <5a8aadf8-8aa8-8cbb-61ab-0d9cc4b7e2c1@petermann-it.de> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:56:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A007E8C30F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.petermann-it.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.930,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.55), asn: 24940(-2.92), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:57:06 -0000 Hello, this is somewhat related to my other post regarding GPT vs. GMIRROR. Anyway, the following observation can be looked at in an isolated manner. I have documented the observation in a step-by-step protocol below. If you have some thoughts on this - please reply and let me know. I'd be very thankful to get this clarified. Kind regards, Matthias 0) Preface There is a gmirror set up, consisting of two components. I am going to create a hex dump of the last block of one of the components, then fill up the gmirror with a raw write of "FF" and create another hex dump of one of the components. Then I will compare the hex dumps. 1) Checking gmirror label before manipulation 1FFFFDB0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDCC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFDE8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 47 45 4F 4D ........................GEOM 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 73 74 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ::MIRROR........test........ 1FFFFE20 A0 07 5F E9 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00 ._IKs.<................ 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40 .........................@ 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00 .......................... . 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 BE │ 2B CF 02 21 │ 60 DB DE FB │ AB FC D2 03 │ 26 F6 64 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...+.!`.&d......... 1FFFFE90 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEAC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEC8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEE4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF00 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF1C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF38 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF54 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF70 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF8C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFA8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFC4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFE0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...................t.....@ . 2) Filling up mirror with "FF" root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # tr '\0' '\377' < /dev/zero > /dev/mirror/test 3) Checking gmirror label after manipulation 1FFFFDB0 FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ 1FFFFDCC FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ 1FFFFDE8 FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ 47 45 4F 4D ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒GEOM 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 F8 FF FF │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 73 74 │ 00 AF B4 80 │ FF FF FF FF ::MIRROR.▒▒▒....test.▒▒.▒▒▒▒ 1FFFFE20 00 A8 CF 81 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00 .▒▒.▒IK▒s.<▒................ 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40 ▒▒.........................@ 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00 .......................... . 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 28 │ 37 37 D5 E2 │ 53 ED 72 2A │ 17 FC 86 3D │ FA 16 49 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ...(77▒▒S▒r*.▒.=▒.I......... 1FFFFE90 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEAC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEC8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFEE4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF00 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF1C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF38 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF54 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF70 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFF8C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFA8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFC4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFE0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 ............................ 1FFFFFFC 00 00 00 00 │ .... 4) Conclusion So this looks like the gmirror label is not protected against low level writes. Some bytes have been overwritten with "FF". So what I still would like to understand - how is it ensured that a newfs will not touch this area? From my understanding, using the -r parameter of newfs could help, but in none of the examples with gmirror using GPT partitions this is used. So will the approach ultimately lead into gmirror label corruption (e.g. once UFS is filled up)? -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 22 06:41:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD5113BBC8 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2168DF59 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F169F6D046; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:41:34 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUKoa1vsQxcY; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:41:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (p5B2F3726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.47.55.38]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC2486D03B; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:41:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: newfs overwriting gmirror label? From: Matthias Petermann To: freebsd-questions Cc: freebsd@johnea.net References: <5a8aadf8-8aa8-8cbb-61ab-0d9cc4b7e2c1@petermann-it.de> Message-ID: <911910aa-faa4-a081-6483-a45644512839@petermann-it.de> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5a8aadf8-8aa8-8cbb-61ab-0d9cc4b7e2c1@petermann-it.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1B2168DF59 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.petermann-it.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.943,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.09)[ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.53), asn: 24940(-2.92), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:41:37 -0000 Hello, please ignore this posting. It looks like I did a mistake interpreting the hexdump. I did repeat the exercise and the result was that the gmirror label was not overwritten. Sorry for the confusion! Kind regards, Matthias Am 22.11.2018 um 06:56 schrieb Matthias Petermann: > Hello, > > this is somewhat related to my other post regarding GPT vs. GMIRROR. > Anyway, the following observation can be looked at in an isolated manner. > > I have documented the observation in a step-by-step protocol below. > > If you have some thoughts on this - please reply and let me know. I'd be > very thankful to get this clarified. > > Kind regards, > Matthias > > > > 0) Preface > > There is a gmirror set up, consisting of two components. I am going to > create a hex dump of the last block of one of the components, then fill > up the gmirror with a raw write of "FF" and create another hex dump of > one of the components. Then I will compare the hex dumps. > > 1) Checking gmirror label before manipulation > > 1FFFFDB0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFDCC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFDE8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 47 45 4F 4D  ........................GEOM > 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 > 73 74 │ 00 01 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ::MIRROR........test........ > 1FFFFE20 A0 07 5F E9 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00  ._IKs.<................ > 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40  .........................@ > 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00  .......................... . > 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 BE │ 2B CF 02 21 │ 60 DB DE FB │ AB FC D2 03 │ 26 F6 > 64 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ...+.!`.&d......... > 1FFFFE90 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEAC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEC8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEE4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF00 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF1C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF38 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF54 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF70 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF8C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFA8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFC4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFE0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ...................t.....@ . > > 2) Filling up mirror with "FF" > > root@l-mpe-fbsd:/home/admin # tr '\0' '\377' < /dev/zero > /dev/mirror/test > > 3) Checking gmirror label after manipulation > > 1FFFFDB0 FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF > FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF  ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ > 1FFFFDCC FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF > FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF  ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ > 1FFFFDE8 FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ FF FF > FF FF │ FF FF FF FF │ 47 45 4F 4D  ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒GEOM > 1FFFFE04 3A 3A 4D 49 │ 52 52 4F 52 │ 00 F8 FF FF │ 04 00 00 00 │ 74 65 > 73 74 │ 00 AF B4 80 │ FF FF FF FF  ::MIRROR.▒▒▒....test.▒▒.▒▒▒▒ > 1FFFFE20 00 A8 CF 81 │ B0 49 4B F7 │ 73 07 3C A2 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 01 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 10 │ 00 00 02 00  .▒▒.▒IK▒s.<▒................ > 1FFFFE3C FE FF 1F 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 02 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 40  ▒▒.........................@ > 1FFFFE58 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 20 00  .......................... . > 1FFFFE74 00 00 00 28 │ 37 37 D5 E2 │ 53 ED 72 2A │ 17 FC 86 3D │ FA 16 > 49 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ...(77▒▒S▒r*.▒.=▒.I......... > 1FFFFE90 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEAC 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEC8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFEE4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF00 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF1C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF38 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF54 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF70 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFF8C 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFA8 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFC4 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFE0 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 > 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00 │ 00 00 00 00  ............................ > 1FFFFFFC 00 00 00 00 │                                  .... > > 4) Conclusion > > So this looks like the gmirror label is not protected against low level > writes. Some bytes have been overwritten with "FF". > > So what I still would like to understand - how is it ensured that a > newfs will not touch this area? > > From my understanding, using the -r parameter of newfs could help, but > in none of the examples with gmirror using GPT partitions this is used. > So will the approach ultimately lead into gmirror label corruption (e.g. > once UFS is filled up)? > > -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 22 10:24:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4058A11446AD for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 835B8706BB for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPm9N-0007y9-HS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:23:57 +0100 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gPm9N-0007OA-Dy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:23:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:23:57 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Python3 problem on FreeBSD with curses Message-ID: <20181122102357.GA24213@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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The same code works nicely on any Linux. On FreeBSD it gives: $ python3 curtest.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "curtest.py", line 93, in main() File "curtest.py", line 90, in main curses.wrapper(draw_menu) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/curses/__init__.py", line 94, in wrapper return func(stdscr, *args, **kwds) File "curtest.py", line 87, in draw_menu k = stdscr.get_wch() AttributeError: '_curses.curses window' object has no attribute 'get_wch' The code for curtest.py is here: http://www.unixarea.de/curtest.py It's a simple demo program which reads one char after another, prints it in a curses window and exits on pressed 'q'. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthias Apitz wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I encounter a Phyton3 problem with the curses function >=20 > k =3D stdscr.get_wch() >=20 > The problem exists only on FreeBSD. The same code works nicely on any L= inux. > On FreeBSD it gives: >=20 > $ python3 curtest.py > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "curtest.py", line 93, in > main() > File "curtest.py", line 90, in main > curses.wrapper(draw_menu) > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/curses/__init__.py", line 94, in wrapp= er > return func(stdscr, *args, **kwds) > File "curtest.py", line 87, in draw_menu > k =3D stdscr.get_wch() > AttributeError: '_curses.curses window' object has no attribute 'get_wc= h' >=20 > The code for curtest.py is here: http://www.unixarea.de/curtest.py=20 > It's a simple demo program which reads one char after another, prints > it in a curses window and exits on pressed 'q'. >=20 > What could be wrong with our Pythos3 on FreeBSD: >=20 > FreeBSD r314251-amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r314251: Sat= > Feb 25 17:14:40 CET 2017 > root@r303343-amd64:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I'm not a python guy at all, but looking at the OS and python versions, I thought it's worth mentioning that the example code you provided works for me with python36-3.6.7 on FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r340744 GENERIC-NODEBUG, using C.UTF-8 locale. --4AwNPcQDeoTllyJsxXvztwXyGaXMmRaCO-- --EKgzSk7GC6FvfJqLHgQlsXIT5lOWxlhCr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri Pankov wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I encounter a Phyton3 problem with the curses function >> >> k =3D stdscr.get_wch() >> >> The problem exists only on FreeBSD. The same code works nicely on any = Linux. >> On FreeBSD it gives: >> >> $ python3 curtest.py >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "curtest.py", line 93, in >> main() >> File "curtest.py", line 90, in main >> curses.wrapper(draw_menu) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/curses/__init__.py", line 94, in wrap= per >> return func(stdscr, *args, **kwds) >> File "curtest.py", line 87, in draw_menu >> k =3D stdscr.get_wch() >> AttributeError: '_curses.curses window' object has no attribute 'get_w= ch' >> >> The code for curtest.py is here: http://www.unixarea.de/curtest.py=20 >> It's a simple demo program which reads one char after another, prints >> it in a curses window and exits on pressed 'q'. >> >> What could be wrong with our Pythos3 on FreeBSD: >> >> FreeBSD r314251-amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r314251: Sa= t >> Feb 25 17:14:40 CET 2017 >> root@r303343-amd64:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >=20 > I'm not a python guy at all, but looking at the OS and python versions,= > I thought it's worth mentioning that the example code you provided work= s > for me with python36-3.6.7 on FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r340744 > GENERIC-NODEBUG, using C.UTF-8 locale. Going through the lang/python35 log, the following entry looks particularly interesting: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- r444534 | dbaio | 2017-06-28 05:37:53 +0300 (Wed, 28 Jun 2017) | 29 lines= lang/python{27,33,34,35,36}: Make Python curses module work with Unicode [...] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And again guessing on the timestamps in your uname output, it could be you are just missing this change. --EF3PTfghoHsc8aPJEF3FYprEbHO4yF6RV-- --34Z8s37WSrY7BFcUcAaJFNcxP08zApA7m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+Gq3PsPeLT4tL/9wk4vgf7Eq4WwFAlv2jPYACgkQk4vgf7Eq 4Wz28Af/SMaG7T3koCF7oEcjIvau6/TdFDvfiE6eupwTNQ9b0DDaUXj2U67VnElQ cpqqp2yHHxQqfsDE6M6pjVjtes+T4q0cA/wBYVfSiG8va4JugfhpBWq3WGiwTrEW l8dvbO3/WXoPkEo9v2ft/igS8mMkJc8uWZvUK9I7sbA0p6FIkd4rEGWPaYcLyO7z 4MJ5n5fG8bLQvwMFdkVnIz/P/AI8ufqHmXq/IhfupW5BSXyMnzoQcvCDQV90hv8D YX1UZZ/Zp4n3+GM7iTpR74D/orv44SAhNbJgWh8I9iM4V/jFxqeHJLrSsTbINGzB zsOXiWyVUjtIYSP9vr0/M7zXsQwhFQ== =NtNh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --34Z8s37WSrY7BFcUcAaJFNcxP08zApA7m-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 23 17:51:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AA8114D7DF; 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It's detected as run0. The device works fine, doesn't drop packets. How can I debug this? Should I upgrade to 12-PRERELEASE (or whatever the latest is) first? thanks, -- J. 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The gconcat provider will be formatted with the UFS filesystem. So setting the partition type freebsd-ufs to each of the components seems a bit misleading to me. Any opinions? Best regards, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de GnuPG: 0x5C3E6D75 | 5930 86EF 7965 2BBA 6572 C3D7 7B1D A3C3 5C3E 6D75 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 08:42:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1D1146FFC; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 08:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c17:6c4b::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 328C06EB38; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 08:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from hps2016.home.selasky.org (unknown [178.17.145.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7544A2602C7; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:42:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: kernel: uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181123175136.GA37629@rpi3.zyxst.net> From: Hans Petter Selasky Message-ID: <3ccadeb1-274f-f1fe-dba7-52f2dca76db4@selasky.org> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:42:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181123175136.GA37629@rpi3.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 328C06EB38 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mail.turbocat.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[selasky.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.turbocat.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.922,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.98)[ip: (-8.56), ipnet: 2a01:4f8::/29(-3.49), asn: 24940(-2.83), country: DE(-0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 08:42:58 -0000 On 11/23/18 6:51 PM, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > On a 12.0-BETA2 system, am seeing lots of this in /var/log/messages: > > uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished > uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished > uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished > > last message repeated 496 times > > There's only two things usb on this machine, a usb3 pci card (which has > nothing plugged into it) and a usb2 wireless key plugged into the usb > system built into the motherboard. It's detected as run0. The device > works fine, doesn't drop packets. > > How can I debug this? Should I upgrade to 12-PRERELEASE (or whatever the > latest is) first? Hi, There hasn't been any USB changes in this area. Likely you have a broken or unsupported USB device, which doesn't enumerate properly. I see this on my computer with a USB bluetooth device, which because it doesn't receive valid firmware at first boot, becomes in-accessible. Maybe you can disable some such USB devices in the BIOS. --HPS From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 09:04:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4312B1148055; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (turbocat.net [88.99.82.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F2AD6FB0A; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from hps2016.home.selasky.org (unknown [178.17.145.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B8A82602D1; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:04:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: kernel: uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished From: Hans Petter Selasky To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181123175136.GA37629@rpi3.zyxst.net> <3ccadeb1-274f-f1fe-dba7-52f2dca76db4@selasky.org> Message-ID: <7f31c23a-aedf-e532-b16d-f0d5a0edbbcf@selasky.org> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:03:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3ccadeb1-274f-f1fe-dba7-52f2dca76db4@selasky.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9F2AD6FB0A X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mail.turbocat.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[selasky.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.turbocat.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.44)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 88.99.0.0/16(-4.81), asn: 24940(-2.81), country: DE(-0.02)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:88.99.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:04:19 -0000 On 11/24/18 9:42 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On 11/23/18 6:51 PM, tech-lists wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On a 12.0-BETA2 system, am seeing lots of this in /var/log/messages: >> >> uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished >> uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished >> uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset - device vanished >> >> last message repeated 496 times >> >> There's only two things usb on this machine, a usb3 pci card (which has >> nothing plugged into it) and a usb2 wireless key plugged into the usb >> system built into the motherboard. It's detected as run0. The device >> works fine, doesn't drop packets. >> >> How can I debug this? Should I upgrade to 12-PRERELEASE (or whatever the >> latest is) first? > > Hi, > > There hasn't been any USB changes in this area. Likely you have a broken > or unsupported USB device, which doesn't enumerate properly. I see this > on my computer with a USB bluetooth device, which because it doesn't > receive valid firmware at first boot, becomes in-accessible. Maybe you > can disable some such USB devices in the BIOS. > > --HPS > BTW: There are some USB knobs to disable USB enumeration: sysctl -a | grep disable_enumeration --HPS From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 13:10:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED36114E806 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E45B677ED9 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1543065040; x=1545657040; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=mSX3v7z7Jk3CxPTmSP3muROwBDALf8eD6xpu4dExBf8=; b=myM7hYfm+4xSCtsFJ/Lbqk5Y/GCutP5DZHtqH2I0CVkMH7knISsY+x0LnpUHzwlAmUdCBszAu9lrM6YWXf7Zp2TLyeOFF5XBO4mxWwhxRR2DTQ0oM2HZpj6xzPwYPlYIqNwbnLfBTkl/btBKwyikRGIKx/+dwIoV6cMPPqpBX/c= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDBiOWU4M2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 07:10:18 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 07:10:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gQWlM-000FBc-CU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:10:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:10:16 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Is amdgpu_dri.so available anywhere ? 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R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[amdgpu_dri.so]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.899,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:10:41 -0000 Hi, Fully up to date 11.2p4 system using the amdgpu KMS module from drm-stable-kmod everything seems to be set up for DRI and then in Xorg. 0.log: [ 240.113] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/local/lib/dri/amdgpu_dri.so failed (Cannot open "/usr/local/lib/dri/amdgpu_dri.so") I can find no trace of this file being available for FreeBSD - which is rather a shame given that the KMS module is there. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 15:13:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED53E115130D for ; 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MX_GOOD(-0.01)[idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net,smtp.glb.shawcable.net,idcmail-mx1so.cg.shawcable.net,idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net,smtp.glb.shawcable.net,idcmail-mx1so.cg.shawcable.net]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[13.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:58:57 -0000 I don't know about everyone else, but considering my general lack of succes= s running Linux shell scripts in general on FBSD, I don't think I'll =C2=A0= panic just yet. ;-)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Original Message =C2=A0 From: Carmel NY Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 7:14 AM To: FreeBSD Reply To: FreeBSD Subject: New Virus that targets *.nix This looks like a particularly nasty virus. https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-linux-crypto-miner-steals-your-root-passw= ord-and-disables-your-antivirus/ --=20 Carmel _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 18:33:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB061134CAE for ; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.89)[-0.893,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.932,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.646,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.14)[ip: (-0.31), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.15), asn: 7381(-0.12), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:33:25 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:58:44 -0700 (MST) Dale Scott wrote: > I don't know about everyone else, but considering my general lack of > success running Linux shell scripts in general on FBSD, I don't think > I'll  panic just yet. ;-)  If it's well written (and it sounds like it may well be) then it has a good chance of being very portable indeed. If so then the only real defense is to try and keep it outside the circle of trust and to remove all keys not secured by passphrase, switch to two factor authentication or do something that frustrates credential stealing to contain it if it does get in. It reads like the Morris worm on steroids, it has the potential to go through insufficienty secure big server farms like a dose of salts. For now I'm hoping that not having any credentials on anything reachable from outside is good for containment provided I don't let it loose from email or a download which would be stupid. There are no email or download clients here that will run an executable attachment of any kind, I'd have to save it, chmod it and run it - nah not doing that. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 18:44:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ABA11351D0 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11CC86EB2 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.48.66]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MXXhv-1fv57a2FDj-00Z3On for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:43:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:43:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix Message-Id: <20181124194356.26dd5ad7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/cxGds9mkzNPv79rnqzM2xX4v3D04PCur3icAyNi8DamqYZSTRK s33Z1p9c9yqhGRZnBBvtBjeWVyDb1pKTGamdwfhO8dvDTvGWU2BUw9iOquHpIqQKjwKMgla OQ3gu0of4IgJt2AxK1pciIqebpC0jwwWP+X+1fyFEVPd9D5yJ0NxlFDq3b0wtg+C6O+4J8o xsNqWcXnu6iKcaN0QT1rA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CNVrcv8YCSI=:Q4smqwwFOJRyyM0KYWPqot lBjnuP3frCxJQEhdUAafVN2rePItdRzid9pEum3ZMkj07AXYptvmJouTHg9lpKkk7cm8f6s5P /FxwrEtcezKxMSpZiq5d4Ppg1Tt4R8Bs/20yuHCapbzBhpDRA/p8vUo8ridH43ViSC1r3Smhe Iie4FZjPzqNjU8HFYLS5g7ZHre00LqtWa9Uj7rK3e9f4aCNzP/alxZOhnt3Og83V0kDK94jJE L+xd+BqbYi+n20kESJJCiTr15FZq7YIKDt2Mt/Sd92O0FYxpAfg0hq8PdFe0lCGTNpYyDCRNC txv4bUpfYS5YDypM21wr9lKtIEqj6wqhwXHimDoQhldF16TnI/URfOMwjrXtJiRo+OnwXEZ5A bccPjN7rDawD7xwosI+z6aULRe6EgGfXr+bbjOSWUuNpaFZsfb925CoeaWjkqI+Leu7J2zfHN nsjuKjCyzyTGh9FiK5/XAWpQHpORGRABelBOqh5aJPFy2Z3x8jfxyhOeNezPEwzgkZMqTVPUB 1xG1gRh/F++/XXu5ugZK8ZszokBek/cN87yDex+mJZs4N5h8JYt39Z1ODoCYuNx7ywo7l+fw5 2AhxOxL1Gm4UIfzc+EbHBAX/PYjIJFBhLnvbW38r3vxGwCWrJiwKGO/ez0O5WOt+hWqvkqcUy +A7MjDuFOEoLAoHnw/8MRdUSS/49e3gVn8asUVMzi6Ha+FafFttkjrbNaVOhJhgxiWFaIda7g EJqm4wax0bwGGMiQsX1K7/CEqqdgVUk+HQO+HE+D3TAFMe4lPBcoExH7QdqUOYI5LKPsrInJ3 XT43zVxZOVqtIDPFc7ywjhbDtMlWg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B11CC86EB2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.258,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[66.48.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.35), asn: 8560(0.11), country: DE(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.59)[0.591,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.64)[0.641,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:44:07 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:13:37 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > This looks like a particularly nasty virus. > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-linux-crypto-miner-steals-your-root-password-and-disables-your-antivirus/ The article says it targets Linux, not Unix(-alikes) in general, so the shell script mentioned is probably intended to be run with bash, the common Linux scripting shell, and will surely assume certain things we call Linuxisms, i. e., intrastructures, files and directories, services, local tools etc. which exist on a typical Linux system. Yes, the description is really scary, it has lots of... features, one of them is deactivating your installed virus program. :-) However, given how modern Linux software lacks portability to non-Linux (but still UNIXoid) systems, I wouldn't be surprised if you get a syntax error and execution stop if you try to indendedly infect your FreeBSD installation. The two CVEs mentioned explcitely (CVE-2013-2094 and CVE-2016-5195) seem to be specific to certain (older) Linux _kernels_. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=cve-2016-5195 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-2094 So this probably won't work on FreeBSD (individual opinion without further research). And research has shown multiple times that installed virus software often doesn't protect your system - no, it makes it even _more_ vulnerable, that's why it has become quite hard to call it "anti-virus software". And remember l33t k1dz: Always use "curl myapp.example.com | sudo bash" to install the software you trust! Apply snake oil as desired. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 18:56:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFC0113577F for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7072087453 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A5C71808A for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:56:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181124175844.6115411.91608.68576@shaw.ca> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:56:40 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181124175844.6115411.91608.68576@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7072087453 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.30)[-0.303,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.006,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.125,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:56:48 -0000 On 11/24/18 11:58 AM, Dale Scott wrote: > I don't know about everyone else, but considering my general lack of success running Linux shell scripts in general on FBSD, I don't think I'll  panic just yet. ;-) > I fully agree with Dale. First of all it can not be called virus (it does not upon arrival take over the system), it can not even be called a worm as it doesn't propagate itself, unless it compromises machine on system level, about which few words below, and has sure way to compromise next hop machine. Well, the worst this thing can be called is elevation of privileges script(s) based on LOCAL (not remote) vulnerability, namely Dirty COW. Now, here are the questions: 1. Do you keep your system updated (and and have implemented solutions mitigating Dirty COW)? If yes, then you should not be expecting system level compromise. 2. Do you run one or another system integrity check system? One example could be from long ago before they went commercial: tripwire. There are variety of others, do your research and choose what sounds appropriate for you (not mentioning what I do: I do not want to help bag guys in the first step of any attack: collection of information). It is also interesting to note where this is coming from: DrWEb based in Russia (closed source commercial provider). I can not comment on DrWeb as I would comment on Kasperski same based in Russia. Kasperski is KGB (or whatever current name of that powerful agency is), note: not "ex" as there is no "ex" in these services. I can imagine that in countries with "strong" government, such as Russia (or USA for that matter - continue your own opinion list) "free" services or software (which are not open source) offered by some companies may carry additional load. And maybe some commercial (closed source) too. So, use your own reasoning, people. Incidentally, do you run antivirus software on your UNIX or Linux servers for any purpose other than scanning emails that can be accessed by clients running MS Windows or files shared to MS Windows machines (via SAMBA)? If not, and if you feel anxious about DrWeb's piece, then you become their potential user on machines that do not need their software at all. Which may be one of the goals. Another, to create larger userbase between Windows people (maybe even making it look taht they are also helping poor UNIX and Linux people which may look legit in eyes of big majority of people who do not have expertise in computers). If you need to run antivirus for well justified reasons I mentioned above, use software from trusted provider. My choice on UNIX (-like) and Linux machines is open source clamav. I hope, this helps. Valeri > >   Original Message > From: Carmel NY > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 7:14 AM > To: FreeBSD > Reply To: FreeBSD > Subject: New Virus that targets *.nix > > This looks like a particularly nasty virus. > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-linux-crypto-miner-steals-your-root-password-and-disables-your-antivirus/ > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 19:15:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854BD1136136 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEFC0887F8 for ; 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.926,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[oceanview.tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.982,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.69)[asn: 14061(3.56), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0000 On 11/24/18 12:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Kasperski is KGB (or whatever current name of that powerful agency is), FSB - The House of Putin > note: not "ex" as there is no "ex" in these services. I can imagine that in That is 100% correct. Cheka, NKVD, KGB, FSB, Russian Mafia, Oligarchs - same bunch, different business cards. >countries with "strong" government, such as Russia (or USA for that matter Well we do have NSA ... affectionately known as "No Such Agency" :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 19:38:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB401136F34 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CFE889587 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wAOJB2HF085272 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:11:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181124175844.6115411.91608.68576@shaw.ca> From: Tim Daneliuk Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tundra@tundraware.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFlVgYoBEADIYD9W4mbKz5cEleX923hagDWkxyJl4kRiMJnz+dNAH71MItSdErMb0cFt CPxVncb4dR4R2ec0c0MjPcgVINNtbY1DMWsF7t31TKD8NG9ZjLqF6fZDFjgkRejqHytgjmCI UejrMSCf0UJsLtg+I3N1ZVVxd7ALj2bCvC/uc5S7j+YbNnhQvSoBbdFj/xOTjyOGGpk7WfB7 e42PGKq1NSgnI7tcY6HSaSH+LHeoc0yUpBb5A1ge+RhR1N9JTniEFe0qvOBi+HgUltEoxsk4 xb6IhpkDOTsxHvEg5h0ukfl8kG9cu+LrEBqwPaC8lPw3UmoTEAU+lXHanPE12JCF/54EtVCc rb4W0vqgGmLJzn5dRU/fWkar0FKPq4eoV0XMbGZKIC6pWQnMEsxEMpNvh7oefK6Kyn+LO+59 +sNYHbv1RImDJccmfHTOA6/jHdwOcnYy37U8UF7e+mGrwNs8GsMQx2AaQbR6VErakH3GBgft bMFOGQxiaRBkbzba7BZCQ060yhiC3/Mb/xHoVi7PBEmKig1SErTMA7Fh3CYPYIRDphNs6OSr tf9O4hbzUAsjbU3rxOfiWQjP3fSOM0KUBj4wpIWZlMrjAGnMIz2wHb211wsBiLqSaGiiO1LR 7RrcvbIFZvHQHiWe2tdRyuH3N/h7A316yoLfx+yy1gyP5weWsQARAQABzSRUaW0gRGFuZWxp dWsgPHR1bmRyYUB0dW5kcmF3YXJlLmNvbT7CwXcEEwEIACEFAllVgYoCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQgJ CgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQdoOXo5EJFKntcA/9F9ags9Ik5C49N39iRq+yqBdn/Lr75rqv +Yg7JkjeVlwHpnQt1S6orTC7EaJc+AqY3szCEmhfuT0+E96Bw2k+G/XRnaedZ9SHSdImlmq0 RmOFpWLr67ScvlA9YG1tyR+QYraEFqK5EB6qhOWRJoz1BYtAAntK9b9gUTXt/277sT7lAWaj oPi4CDd4DofHc4E9VRsniMQNMLCWqc/ygAK07cWbK2Rh90tS2C4nK6OHFkNkK94zDilfxod1 NBFTUPPYfEU2CSa3eLlpfhYY3/2X7zNvmmCt+chHUnAhQLhldQ3WlqmTKP+ZK9LX002/bY1O M8Zk76WyA/A3EfsIUbnXBQvFyjwX6W4QEytlZWtp/yRIe64JOa3dZ8rkhragb2N4VgVLBVe3 jtZgfQ72pHrfNk/T0uT+hjFqInvIYiXkhxB2GiD7Ga28VuXojTmeoaW3GKcvoVxONSju7WzD XgyxWRmNpd5uifJcC3YU3tNNAosnQ0/5FW4wkducSEVwwqnAiSMQEMDDa/e6oP6GyOzes5SV LTNCRYdHWVKbxjetYU4SKm5RdLx9XuJo0qL9vO97mCNwdNkTM7gO2ycQ49qUiGbCZJOh2gpP ZRFrpJDxbloosAfOEB6IYjhb38u6jvbScJKK3bWA+a8TK4SrQpdRd1cAnW9sA8jCTV8ejZq0 CHnOwU0EWVWBigEQAJYuihAOOOe/kAn045Ayn+3is3S+6eV4IAgL6lJhoChkgUJJuFoRX9BY rd35z29+q2/UCoProzd4Mk66wXeWv6n4s5R79OUzjgMLCTVlVaMy4gjPL9NRDwMt7KYRF56g mnoKZwfPDi/oJ5toPPboW94FrMwonqbdqYM2Pyi/HPMe4e396WQ4TaA1CdhyzKHoFSpkGcjX zIQ5yQ5aaGS7wonRu/pg15dbu+8QOgxRNFa0bO+ntz/30u+VmxFqFVbExjuy3Or8fSBhJgx4 cfyrrunKLclpZ/52VeK3l53yWYpR8RaTZfzpu8Ih+ijAY4XLO5F8P1T6sEviMaTY2F0sbFRx ZJXsgFpiKeWPHUn7/LX7qcoFJYoFqG6b3n5km+qy39x6lMgJDuxKpeN6lYj//LB6xVzn0JI+ 4ZHPrEkFqxu8VkL7deCPTI67ZJik18jXjTH9sha1YBvgvxIPFMA7ZwXX2AwNu7PzdcCpWarS usOAHbjQBUsQ+ZPpI1oeFnsCPZ+8/mMcTjVRZyJxOPs3KnXZv2cXNuaa7lwkWS366gHzQI7O l6WdC8TyNjiOzR654cL8BgYQ/xNSW1vTXqPWSRU8/b/5IueY2tQJh0CKIvfoP0rk8976wa1R 8SRi08mwHX7+F5oSeXLRNHicQGpS1f0DywdRcQ0MFHyq/CV4dTltABEBAAHCwV8EGAEIAAkF AllVgYoCGwwACgkQdoOXo5EJFKkDNw//c8nailIVOV72l7Lze+2AuK9MYUCFb1i4qI1WTnG0 OHQlCAltPhdwZPAozJw/eNqIcuWQh8rZspve9ipj589wLSsVyaFRsuYXTiYZ9RlRsnJYa36h 2JML3ZGrRsSxaUEAggbiOKbwmw27JuOIPmC3Gln4tJuZ+nw6cfCgMI45bIzinVanxHwPLeLp BZKpaEYzAwtBykUfAXn3jDwrI95UlMJvhHDFuRgvb6uSyJIqmp5aR/BjnlSdEwICyWpRAVSt yqZeBMeHbCr1B97PIRzk/q0eHm9T+AoiZWwz1iVGGgkYdAaCfs2PBlNHmRm93cfgoEcaGvNb RbTXOe28niMJeYMQsnjOTy5AQIrhVKeP5E+qVs/oPK/inmLiTbjZcnrO2wR+uxpPGgmR6M/3 p8qyRdaOvT87HZXO+Wr+r9A4UnwhCPsfELwPlEo+TJQ/oE71Mlkx/ddQCWELcHjXrQF9YbzA Ml7g0zTkgHysh4DNkV5iYteOcmCwsWdOwn0H0yZfz6weyr8nEdPngyOjFNKMIpcTbeg8866c GxXAJj46dub4VdVwfvMRHfmmRJkjdId7YHWMgz2Kf7S7KPCROLis7WjlOdSS0q2m/7qy9WL/ ZW50YLS8ZZLMrnari5JxCyJX+8n6ZASo2AA93iTbKmYegK2LDwW1QLU1iAF3GyGOnSE= Message-ID: <8240dbdb-7e6e-23b7-caa0-9867ab2a74c3@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:10:57 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.985,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.89)[0.891,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: oceanview.tundraware.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.969,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.69)[asn: 14061(3.56), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:38:31 -0000 On 11/24/18 11:58 AM, Dale Scott wrote: > I don't know about everyone else, but considering my general lack of success running Linux shell scripts in general on FBSD, I don't think I'll  panic just yet. ;-) I saw this earlier in the day. What was unclear to me was the exact vector of propagation. Does it magically appear on my system somehow? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 20:08:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D361137CF8 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C1A08A4A0 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1543090123; x=1545682123; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=mD8qziapK5yg28joxHJ9OKHFkhOzJJJjGliYrjrLTOc=; b=gMRqUjDMOYVaoD1ZpogthiBPUbtttaXmJQ23fi2+BMDR7HitJjZyCeodGRAo46wMYptvJX3hrN+SAzyEbYz/QMmpRdWQz0jLISl2Adw2A/UOyfUK+VYtBNb8DvHgrpQXQRFv6agRzI5UZymBtDHiGMksy36jFht06FG5vX7O3Nc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDBjMGVlNzIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.h.in.socketlabs.com (r2.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:08:34 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:08:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gQeEB-000HFo-W5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:08:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:08:31 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Virus that targets *.nix Message-Id: <20181124200831.95698d25ed05d1480fda55f9@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <8240dbdb-7e6e-23b7-caa0-9867ab2a74c3@tundraware.com> References: <20181124175844.6115411.91608.68576@shaw.ca> <8240dbdb-7e6e-23b7-caa0-9867ab2a74c3@tundraware.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7C1A08A4A0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.902,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.939,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.703,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.15)[ip: (-0.34), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.17), asn: 7381(-0.14), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:08:44 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:10:57 -0600 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/24/18 11:58 AM, Dale Scott wrote: > > I don't know about everyone else, but considering my general lack of > > success running Linux shell scripts in general on FBSD, I don't think > > I'll  panic just yet. ;-) > > I saw this earlier in the day. What was unclear to me was the exact > vector of propagation. Does it magically appear on my system somehow? Apparently it will try and make use of any ssh credentials it can get at to propagate, so unless it's on a system with credentials to log into yours then it needs someone to put it there and run it. OTOH if it gets into a large farm and finds ssh keys with no passphrases (all too often they'll belong to admins with access all over the place) it's going to go through it like a dose of salts. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 24 20:15:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949F2113819A for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9611E8AA9F for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: L1G4muwVM1ng7_TUuCDZfOK3P2VpDHW3qmmFHPWl0h4YxdlYrpoU4o1VNKjE358 eHYeSojYSimYcljCTA.vX8EYt3XMBWiEG.IESdop1wbxDHFF.TTYNCsBJw.5LmTuWLnyJZECs2kC oL276ROa2Z342_pmHaoEKIyRbt_uX6IgxrBQLdRY18fhex9LmuAF9MUdIcXh_8akZEDSavxUFZcs 88a5KtHTml4SUIJlxAL6ONf0wdMEUOw3wiRNeyGCb5T1f9S8XxFgKKD199eBjrc9BhDoExyxXX6J OEx2mGY0.GfjpaUZqrJHTPwun2O76WrVrdhGQqjcOT6nqtjQGufP9_0hFWWuxxOs1iy.V9Fgl2lu I3918zXR6NOpxqEsROOPOwIKVNKgeKAD8mnbVVPo_iacLEOxts6opH2_4HqfJ1Mz5NhukS_QCa1P wb_hyLMxeDttrAR2PbV.k1Gt0FN3GTCY17e.qluWPJXLMfvonvWIRFzf.2IXlP5a79yhfdS6YOIP 5lGOd7km6ODia8BmIicyMvTDaow0aXvBmqeYZ8HJ3G_WQziINBky03dOqzL6bmChNn4QojlXuQ4u 2gYrMLhYMk0oHgUdwo38O9Zg1QgRhZnonXDX68AqL5UZHFmQQOS6KikNZqJcqYbPUiMDSc7DS33e Kzm9QGFyQkNzUyF8WXKWc4EJHCs3VM4dwU1ukmXAXY2GdTvucO1PAykXVbjS1NzQnJgSFyV5zFq2 XIsZ5pDsBQmMdspJw6a5ueGpvKjvouhTRUqmzvkeJw1FyhNH0z4HpOLs6YvZnT8j4f1VpPEHEN9t q1L7brkSwD8K2RpcLsFBDSHsEbzZPG3fyZJyJgqqRuBhILr0EvX5igUti5C7Fvh7TZCAjCIbzRzq Ulpy8_0YlTaAjl4gQ18k2uFNbZieC4D5.4R.rGN077eqjHQuZwT51iRflMR9CWooTRtfaHmXNaAb nUQNDuVcNBmBGPNdnRgb3qOH6fCB5__cseuXencpDolwOzKqryxuqh12yeW.UhONu7_mGJbUFJpk 0s7Qyz85gWnVENxzfDvdCp0ToxnyY4U.e4HJeNlzyLo0HL63odVrQOQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.37)[ip: (2.86), ipnet: 87.248.110.0/24(2.31), asn: 34010(1.76), country: GB(-0.10)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.237.182.77.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.95)[0.953,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.920,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.919,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[84.110.248.87.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:15:51 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:43:56 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >Always use "curl myapp.example.com | sudo bash" to install >the software you trust! Apply snake oil as desired. ;-) For those interested to compromise Linux installs, targeting Ubuntu flavours might be the easiest way to go. I seriously doubt that a lot of Ubuntu users do check downloaded install media correctly against the gpg signed sha256sum provided by Ubuntu. Usually they don't know how to get the public key and how to verify the checksum against the public key, in the first place. Providing compromised Ubuntu flavour install media is easier to do, than using common vulnerabilities to get access to a handful of well maintained Linux or *BSD installs. When using common vulnerabilities, the best approach is to get access to the bad maintained routers using an embedded Linux. I guess that criminals are criminals, because they will get as much income for as less work as possible. However, if criminals have got a special interest that justifies to do much hard work, they likely will use more complicated hacks, than a noticeable bash script or they don't hack anything at all and instead use a screw driver... ...or else... real criminal experts provide Internet search engines and free Internet services, to legally get what they want. Other criminals hack those providers of Internet search engines and free Internet services. Isn't it interesting that after hackers have stolen data from providers of Internet search engines and free Internet services that many people are afraid, while the same people aren't afraid that those providers of Internet search engines and free Internet services already misused this data before it was stolen? Alexa, send this email!