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Some thing that works without rebooting the system. 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r21sm5275791ita.27.2018.12.09.10.14.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:14:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C0D5BAB.5040404@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 11:15:07 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5692D7492D X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-2.21)[ip: (-8.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.754,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:14:13 -0000 What a horrible (terribly insecure) suggestion for default operation of IPFW. On 12/09/2018 11:05 AM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow > all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 18:21:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FAE13298E5 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E1CE74E1B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wB9IKFu5004845 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[oceanview.tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.525,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.69)[ip: (-4.43), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(-2.21), asn: 14061(3.25), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:21:36 -0000 On 12/9/18 12:15 PM, JD wrote: > What a horrible (terribly insecure) suggestion for default operation of IPFW. Not necessarily. A test machine on an isolated VLAN that cannot be reached externally / or is isolated by a jump box might well find this useful. Not everything is internet facing ... > On 12/09/2018 11:05 AM, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 18:24:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66741329B60 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E37B6751F0 for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: oceanview.tundraware.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.928,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.98)[ip: (-5.38), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(-2.69), asn: 14061(3.25), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:24:26 -0000 On 12/9/18 12:05 PM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. You can just run these commands: export FWCMD="ipfw -q" ${FWCMD} -f flush ${FWCMD} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 ${FWCMD} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 ${FWCMD} add 300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any ${FWCMD} add 65000 pass all from any to any -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 18:26:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6B1329C86 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B8A275385 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id o89so5327030qko.0 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HCiwMiImf4SzBm+1PTJvrA8Wco5HzucYBsffKPBRRTM=; b=SRwzi/e1x4wqQz28ni192sjCtpLtJl/pzT8TkVgK/ABGK+j6L6e1w6mdVVeLCfRuh6 ibw6ZdVJnkD0AYsxjL6TFkzASOAh5DhpSh/5OBKtxahLmuDwNIB6cgGJdXQ5WgsFyuZM gs1E73V/6+4WUE/SASY/UgM9IQ8QfG4Vm6Nm4cU+ZkdQGqRSi3z0JlgPiB29kMvuKWcd jW3QIbrftpa9b2T+7YwoumwvWGdY1gTpehBAmcxQy6juu/HKz66lP7fGQBzyUO7VeIhl AZkrw5dGbh8TJuSKtGcRop9u8s3F/LiNxORe47i+qaEz0o6W3CUryIkw9hLIaX5awn4K F4iQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HCiwMiImf4SzBm+1PTJvrA8Wco5HzucYBsffKPBRRTM=; b=D5zMrePqvfRf296+JBgUmomlFWt15z97mdNXiMSgI+jwChfWRwTFOkA6WQZ3akAu5v nz0lGP8ET4cZqJ9LlswffOO8bMEDn5beLuAzbwXlj05s3EeuP5vUoZYZhmsY4wkEny64 Jg7H5vfHERczlkSO+aLBeebwafQVtY8PC2AGkvOJt0ohNETEMVbJhpdwXkB7GmhQAaFQ DDzCAC1/ypFZRQUb84P9l7RS+0WxGC7ens3MiveV7oKB1R9EZPrKYbblwFd9nslrkCY+ +xJpAxDke8V3SdwANRQdZfajupYyANmzMeuy8ZN4lFXqP0tu4MqkfsvMDywt+Qzpkf1U 5Ihg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZ/07AIz8YqwYFLdBcaaPjHVP5NyxxN357IrGSeFB0GNoWkZTDX GXH2yRdUObihEZ0x5tIFVSiv9i2+EpsN96gEsPVI7/d3kGw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XObP4ft7NLIr5mT2aSiateOvPCw6TT7LcdMPmgn/doudRougXFau0cWoXRHRlLX2+RVI6lfbbkQ8QNgENmsl0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:2881:: with SMTP id o1mr8665670qko.130.1544380006807; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 10:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9B8A275385 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx2.googlemail.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx3.googlemail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.32)[ip: (-8.74), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:26:49 -0000 sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=3D1 On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: > Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow > all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 18:30:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712BE1329DF7 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com (mail-qt1-x82b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE88675476 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id z16so9981853qtq.4 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6seqLcOzTTcF9xlH+I0mVLsyxQSNmKAX1C57HEIi49M=; b=V0i+hCHMflirqtYZHlESAGYksYUpWT+eBFXLN2aMDYtWe6jGpJiTw7irIpRXXUDrut Xuy2mb1RhuLH1wLbVfTQxbVFwSkiSDLljrOsSJZkY20S0V/g+KnY9FBodKGe6VM9PrZS GW6MTRTTDVdRMuHqWMkN+7QNCkKBDgrMzJrWS0k8OjvnG4CL1aCRzaFqxx4R8Nm3k2bG U1+ebrdMxhhz6aC1CPWOAD+gl0z+hKtpxH5ZFxKfDQtHTOD2mF2JXa2p0TsE9QK6Ri/a LG23S6E0SANuSTQBpXbLJ9L9EleIVBhCRF+kf/4JoA/FzUDEsTyeFf29T9vKbHyBX9Y9 HIwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=6seqLcOzTTcF9xlH+I0mVLsyxQSNmKAX1C57HEIi49M=; b=Iq4MM7Lma+TjYdzhkLpD5Z5lHK1p9ChXnDaHcyiyfxTPP9Jiij9x7polUuck60vIwf lMLZEX7j+0BSmfifq3e4z3FGAKY0ocg3C3SNobq+P0XoESkYUHFBigNIJePAFVrRi+Jr i2UYifnfEQLA+2MlpAbQJlbPiWG5FJe/nYRKSRWPwpKj+Sg0QYdBOqK66raFCXUadMg5 ucr7gEHsLoStx+e1zeowDlbSN+P9OYO+h0LdVlw0nA+9QbqXxernf7PsKyNZ3dTCSAaS 1r3Pif+SoK7KFYZ2jDqXvIRESL0aXPqf2MOXbW977PkDsdpwhtbZl/sa7d239daEghpJ v8yg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZEPJf3zVOBOxpcsBDNCXUYlWDgjUbC1PS4xROQbeBC2ihbCyXL m4hI/ZazJsYh65xuayOukwcq0MfHR/Pt9WY+PBJ6RnlN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VGhraLNzWocfCewX6BsIyyIgcGg1JwTqJnmMKXUsZWRvWFo9UNJZP96XYOwKavD3WEFl4lsUe8fn1hDAF0INI= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:aa84:: with SMTP id f4mr8891557qvb.243.1544380202143; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> <5C0D5BAB.5040404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5C0D5BAB.5040404@gmail.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 10:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CE88675476 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.80)[ip: (-6.10), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:30:03 -0000 On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM JD wrote: > What a horrible (terribly insecure) suggestion for default operation of > IPFW. Default to accept merely means that the default rule - rule 65535 - permits all traffic. It is useful when booting and getting all other services operational. Loading a firewall ruleset changes that entirely. Imagine a situation in which your cloud instance tries to get a DHCP address and routing information, only to fail because no packets can go in or out. You haven't done this before, have you? --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 18:37:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25532132A2C4 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F2BD75B43 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wB9Ibgvh005441 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); 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DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: oceanview.tundraware.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.958,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.19)[ip: (-6.09), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(-3.05), asn: 14061(3.25), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:37:47 -0000 On 12/9/18 12:29 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > Default to accept merely means that the default rule - rule 65535 - permits > all traffic. Also a good point. The risk is directly proportional to how many open ports exist on the machine in the first place. For many years I ran a NATDing boundary machine with NO firewall. The very few things that were actually up and listening were all managed via hosts.allow entries and THAT defaulted do Do Not Allow. 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[65.25.62.234]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id h24sm3506367iol.17.2018.12.09.10.58.18 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Dec 2018 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:58:19 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sierchio CC: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C5D38764B2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.02)[ip: (-7.21), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:58:20 -0000 Michael Sierchio wrote: > sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow >> all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 doesn't work. unknown oid I believe that has to go in loader.conf and reboot the system to enable. MY problem is with ipf on host and ipfw in a vnet jail. Once kldload for ipfw is completed it now impacts the host by blocking all traffic before host ipf firewall gets the traffic. Putting pass all rules in vnet jail ipfw only effects the vnet jail not the host. 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thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 21:07:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38CF133032A for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from frv158.fwdcdn.com (frv158.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.ukr.net", Issuer "Thawte RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45B2F7C351 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FIoIQX+2T4hZUG+zvPdPZ3pmYN/vCY1xrKVQ3/Z4DEs=; b=P/Vl0H7+AHOK2fS0Z/jLnubtQw 5ysyoYHBe63ccBxMCDPbEo4pQWEt2criDNR715IebjXB2KynJozLDxf9jJVavQvTnLC/3uFpu1BLE tg4wNOS+Xn4uDW6BaaRAQWBzfxrG6td2Jkoqq7dDXa3qmL5kOxF/m1BeHpTYpd4qWkxc=; Received: from [109.122.15.86] (helo=nonamehost) by frv158.fwdcdn.com with esmtpsa ID 1gW6Hv-0007pT-Rx ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 23:06:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:06:55 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: mehdi Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-ID: <20181209230655.57a1a520@nonamehost> In-Reply-To: <6a2686cb-89a8-5830-c040-6c85aaec3bc2@gmail.com> References: <6a2686cb-89a8-5830-c040-6c85aaec3bc2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authentication-Result: IP=109.122.15.86; mail.from=fidaj@ukr.net; dkim=pass; header.d=ukr.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 45B2F7C351 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ukr.net]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.42.77.0/24]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[ukr.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[country: UA(0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.242,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ukr.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ukr.net,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxs.ukr.net]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.15.122.109.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8856, ipnet:212.42.77.0/24, country:UA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[ukr.net] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:07:07 -0000 =D0=92 Mon, 10 Dec 2018 00:18:50 +0330 mehdi =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > hi >=20 > what the diffrent freebsd and linux? >=20 > thanks >=20 FreeBSD is Operating System. Linux is kernel. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 21:07:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA9A133039C for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mustafaabdalwahab@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A4747C3A2 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mustafaabdalwahab@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id a18so9285153wmj.1 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x7WWJsaZFvNbocYBcg5dKUAJygWNa+CWIZwljVxRI0c=; b=pxqCa722srJJPe7QwC6ib+o49qVZ6AT01tgAI3sGJ7g1Wq47CTQrHiVif8GI1DVDfl NPrbFzkd1SLmizmP4L5QD2uDaL4ehPNZ9AGPK/ROI/NicuUUn3aOsD6LwhvfKftWbod1 Rz9ZpD7UsRAbz/B7a/bZJaz+OQ+EUgigwoX5RpzxNkEy2L+STFp2VP2ZQAO9eIWSSaHK /SlEmYCOnR9kqzd5z5HMSH3bw/4KWjeXuqntAgIqu78Ni6hcjdSPaagv4bUKEkR3XlXJ 2+JxErNusNrSNT+GvJHCK+YxgM8hecGwjPkQJYubROR/xR49aeh2d+GMhwLnvlgjHaZv VIkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x7WWJsaZFvNbocYBcg5dKUAJygWNa+CWIZwljVxRI0c=; b=LXUbmZzx3wb2zdzAMqMAbwq/NtV0U7/vqcBBpc8sPXqKaPc3StrzZEb82YzvizkCop 1gjKgzpLsEMdYlKgt6dnuvNXpz14xP98yY1U2VOCXGo6va10WEuYBW5lKEAdxQSmdgyI dWzCtEmidX9W9yLBFwTtYeGf+CCyV73OJ1SfYBgBIE2Ejqo2xSCfnX1AlrPXNjMnIc6F bYatBZsiquUi8uU8Ukht6bqKlZ1VIgO0Ov13Hr6s8rpDqFtJS4oCBhOX3Vo2LkKZ6jtS fkjp33SIStYrqBRwv/5s8CZsO79JoXYafpBdFgtGh4abuJL6HsaP/QFopL1/x0GHZCR1 gLwA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZW1AG96hC7k169Lwy+0UVpWO7xoOpP0k25yD+KqKOmGzsvaEaw C//JjGRNTdDShk8J3DBwTxGMsgIizdJN/9KWPoMElY6hrPA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UOrW+bVmJgPWszcpl/C4P8qD6/y1H6ORfqB4KuStiZZVYz2tKJu1qyQ7Q1zout2byyGq0pfXRtWP8Dn3N5+54= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:c343:: with SMTP id t64mr8898890wmf.88.1544389653940; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:07:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6a2686cb-89a8-5830-c040-6c85aaec3bc2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6a2686cb-89a8-5830-c040-6c85aaec3bc2@gmail.com> From: mustafa abd alwahab Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 00:07:22 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd or linux To: mehdideveloper1370@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3A4747C3A2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.450,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:07:36 -0000 the first difference is that Linux is a kernel not an os while FreeBSD is a kernel + its utilities. and the type of the license is a key difference FreeBSD is under the BSD License and Linux is under the GPL. they both are open source which means that everyone can contribute to te projects but the management style differs between both of them. check out https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/advantages-of-using-freebsd-compared-to-linux.61446/ On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 23:51, mehdi wrote: > hi > > what the diffrent freebsd and linux? 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Embedded=C2=A0Engineering=C2=A0and=C2=A0Business=C2=A0Process Consultant www.dalescott.net =C2=A0 Original Message =C2=A0 From: mustafa abd alwahab Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 2:12 PM To: mehdideveloper1370@gmail.com Reply To: mustafa abd alwahab Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd or linux the first difference is that Linux is a kernel not an os while FreeBSD is a kernel + its utilities. and the type of the license is a key difference FreeBSD is under the BSD License and Linux is under the GPL. they both are open source which means that everyone can contribute to te projects but the management style differs between both of them. check out https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/advantages-of-using-freebsd-compared-to-= linux.61446/ On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 23:51, mehdi wrote: > hi > > what the diffrent freebsd and linux? > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 21:31:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B26133192C for ; 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:31:43 -0000 On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 00:18:50 +0330 mehdi wrote: > hi > > what the diffrent freebsd and linux? > > thanks > A few links: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/comparing-bsd-and-linux.html https://cooltrainer.org/a-freebsd-desktop-howto/ http://srobb.net/dvds.html I am not an expert but I love FreeBSD and I am using it as a Desktop (also console) ad I do not have a problem from version 6 when I start to use it. I was DOS, OS/2, Debian and Slackware and FreeBSD version 6 and present...and I am using GIMP, Blender, LibreOffice and still Python for some research works. Documentation is excellent and very helpful and friendly community (mailing list and forums). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 22:22:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98CA1333725 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from filter02.peak.org (filter02.peak.org [207.55.16.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C981D802B7 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([207.55.16.112]) by filter02.peak.org ({c0e096ac-ab76-477d-8a9d-eab3e47a6d30}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20181209222154339_0000 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:21:54 -0800 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B240D4C52B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9968D4C52C for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from zmail-mta02.peak.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmail-mta02.peak.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id NNn7A7XIuNUW for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailproxy-lb-03.peak.org (mailproxy-lb-03.peak.org [207.55.17.93]) by zmail-mta02.peak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BC14C52B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localnet ([127.0.0.1] helo=elm.localnet) by elm.localnet with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gW7SR-000Pj9-SL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:21:51 -0800 Received: (from carlj@localhost) by elm.localnet (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id wB9MLphj098898; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carlj) From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:21:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> (Ernie Luzar's message of "Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:58:19 -0500") Message-ID: <865zw2pchs.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MAG-OUTBOUND: peakinternet.redcondor.net@207.55.16/22 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C981D802B7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.795,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[peak.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.62)[0.621,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[spam.peak.org,spam.peak.org,spam.peak.org,spam.peak.org,spam.peak.org,spam.peak.org]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[asn: 13868(-0.05), country: US(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[93.16.55.207.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:207.55.0.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 22:22:04 -0000 Ernie Luzar writes: > Michael Sierchio wrote: >> sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 >> >> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow >>> all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. > > > sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 doesn't work. > unknown oid > > I believe that has to go in loader.conf and reboot the system to enable. > > MY problem is with ipf on host and ipfw in a vnet jail. Once kldload > for ipfw is completed it now impacts the host by blocking all traffic > before host ipf firewall gets the traffic. Putting pass all rules in > vnet jail ipfw only effects the vnet jail not the host. The ipfw manpage mentions that it can be modified by kenv, but only if the ipfw module is reloaded. I don't know if that is acceptable to you, but I also haven't tried it since I don't use ipfw. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 22:52:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AAE133455C for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D43258148D for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id t13so10404104qtn.3 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:52:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cyJcCMMTHW6wQl5Bz3zNdsynmuUTTluw7JXoO0uv+64=; b=0H6C62M5BdT7MWj5tbqhl4UjoKSkRdPr4p5jRqWcfRBxdx55/AUG8rmoA4HQkhZWuI 2gopiLK3ex2z32vxlis+nOWPTOgmAoqLaEcWeEfalxWE6oXenRGO0plNSINle902w+X/ o+jjW4RtXlxGO/sUhKR1MvKj1U997CLWob6nmjNAojArayBB31QzYzniQX4EQYcN9NOh Wnpi9o01TJiwlCNKwfHxCo+90xMXEVFIujj2HO/v/fw46ELShbM16gAtqw3O8+po1CS2 Vi9jaflFT3plNGzm4jEwFrag6fhYu+gwJhEP2bmGEPsB4cSFSoHMiz4JbHsokTDwB0YV Qe3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cyJcCMMTHW6wQl5Bz3zNdsynmuUTTluw7JXoO0uv+64=; b=IVTktFYPqf4OUnB2tE6p9izSl3VVe/dyUZygreuK/G8ETEAzYbRsbXYrCrUSjqQSKs vtB4srBtzUV+9cFm1EfdL288h8Dmx7W+Q2QInbLbOfZTR53yumU8Y46IvrZm3FwnmFjF oZSJKYlyWXGCBR2rGxtk9VoLqeFvDpe901wbTK81SBfLHmV4z6Za7mJqa10mRuqoWOxi m3KM2ClYMv7ZKiKEAvUUi5bsWneuBuXyvXVdn9qrbukQLMMi0ZtbvyqxONS06/GnlNrV Pwg5VBzvUf94Vg6A7vpFt3fq/QCy28Yyq5OHYki4YC1Yao6lYvpgJGWlF9ZTARijGwwq AtvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWb2lxFf+aUmUs/GIbyVkCONGpxR2h2MbqehSfzB/BrxyJtCRcPQ e5Za+MjoYpBm1yZYIOt/xYeemXSrLvgyNH8im1wHQslBFeI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Xn1znOLbaZy7QBsoNgwhEGngtxSLGstDOUtnonkQkmt0u4hPRcSOew1DYPDdpIJ6RWfcw4eHzFeJiOTPFKCXE= X-Received: by 2002:aed:2d26:: with SMTP id h35mr10072613qtd.373.1544395960092; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:52:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:52:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D43258148D X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.818,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.00)[ip: (-7.13), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 22:52:41 -0000 On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=3D1 > > > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: > > > >> Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow > >> all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. > > > sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=3D1 doesn't work. > unknown oid > > I believe that has to go in loader.conf and reboot the system to enable. > Yes, it is a read-only tunable. *65>* sudo sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=3D0 sysctl: oid 'net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept' is a read only tunable sysctl: Tunable values are set in /boot/loader.conf --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 9 23:22:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AA4133505E for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12e.google.com (mail-it1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60A0582BC3 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id m8so6478683itk.0 for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:22:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WqbUHlUiDrN+GxMLlDoytWpG453vmQXg2L/sc5BzPN0=; b=IoPu1XeFmUnR9e2x+XYJRitPlLgN0iorNBluFP8GymjYKB19KTgR/j9Q5MEGYveKAy 8H5JNY5RajHJkOSIhM/DxlAwFTTGDGzfuzdLkTA01VQE63yFhSC039mjIFAKcbJdPbLA Jt9p/XzraInMhDAYtO3W/N+4kFoHyAVI/etUgLVukfDIW91fWW0Sf9GyPPm4HtjyexbG wJPY6Spus0C7kiFfB7plLjj8/501/UNJAksGnY54YEXNc6+y/TgKYkf5Zv9rZKwFRHG1 UHkNnEa8pqVm+BRxZdbcKhnsVuk48wTbxjl92PHIDSJ+QGay7XQWlbo4KN43KePQ2Vi+ xfkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WqbUHlUiDrN+GxMLlDoytWpG453vmQXg2L/sc5BzPN0=; b=E9dQjkzqKf/77f1XaR5dIX06EXUX0fJuY1AnujmXT45sLOxBDKGw8RSW4PquDtNTC2 7Xv3j09RABoL6NNq1UkT52gpuj1wPtfRX5ZIT/e8ALu0kJsPSzeeDYKGwdSddu4zAQy0 +5hlWUh5m2Ensk47z1q1C4aYdC6q00R5HLrOasAbFLYgM01R127uRrdm2HHYHgZDNAMs otnqXVaBGt4GruBrIJDeBHU1rgtGnXKH1NxG9SL7kaqXyPPNpRmXgWPJN87PmAPArhJ9 5jJyQJXe99OcLZU1vGmypRvam2pq+i8v4gamDYLTMC/d1LMyBbQqMv2N2W2+JYHiJxow uZoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbbpQPl04yz6CRsxyC1KpyIvI1fkXdyG2a6OA8Ih7FhbLXQ850m /l5M7+2nkLDXzFCs/klXmMQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UD7KJ4qYZMnexY7OO5J/OmjEvD1DGtnpdBUjPgcruxsQNFvB+JqhhgTEggpyyywyJLZy8P9w== X-Received: by 2002:a24:fdc4:: with SMTP id m187mr8833000ith.75.1544397762753; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.10.7] (cpe-65-25-62-234.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.62.234]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o128sm6397442itb.39.2018.12.09.15.22.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:22:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C0DA3C2.70508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:22:42 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Johnson CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change IPFW default to allow References: <5C0D594C.2060407@gmail.com> <5C0D65CB.8080602@gmail.com> <865zw2pchs.fsf@elm.localnet> In-Reply-To: <865zw2pchs.fsf@elm.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 60A0582BC3 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.632,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.11)[ip: (-7.65), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.30), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 23:22:44 -0000 Carl Johnson wrote: > Ernie Luzar writes: > >> Michael Sierchio wrote: >>> sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:08 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a sysctl nib to reset the ipfw default from deny all to allow >>>> all? Some thing that works without rebooting the system. >> >> sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 doesn't work. >> unknown oid >> >> I believe that has to go in loader.conf and reboot the system to enable. >> >> MY problem is with ipf on host and ipfw in a vnet jail. Once kldload >> for ipfw is completed it now impacts the host by blocking all traffic >> before host ipf firewall gets the traffic. Putting pass all rules in >> vnet jail ipfw only effects the vnet jail not the host. > > The ipfw manpage mentions that it can be modified by kenv, but only if > the ipfw module is reloaded. I don't know if that is acceptable to you, > but I also haven't tried it since I don't use ipfw. Yep that worked for me kenv -u net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept=1 Thanks to all who replied. 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Crucial for the start of FreeBSD > will be rc.conf and fstat both in /etc. You can edit them then on the > iMac. You also should be able to test the installation at the iMac. > Again. It is most likely that these two files will be a bit different > on those machines. > > Erich I decided to do new installation of FreeBSD 11.2 and I hope that works. I made USB drive and try with the old disk still in. When I start Mac and hold "Alt" key in recognize USB stick and it boot to the Install, Shell, LiveCD. I hope it works. Thank you very much. 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Carter" Subject: HOWTO safely unmount remove USB zfs sdcard Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 17:08:52 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 86E0D84A4F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.825,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.633,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[h2.pinyon.org,h1.pinyon.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.04)[asn: 209(-0.10), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.100.0.0/14, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 00:09:03 -0000 Greetings, I can easily create a ZFS filesystem on a USB sdcard, but I have not yet found the recipe for safely unmounting it and then mounting it on another 12.0 FreeBSD system. Ideally, the answer is just a google search away, but alas, that has not turned out to be the case. Yeah, I suck at google, evidently. Can anybody help? 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Carter" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2217f3f1-0df3-6f13-d4c4-4eed9c661f87@yuripv.net> Subject: Re: HOWTO safely unmount remove USB zfs sdcard References: In-Reply-To: --YQPfYGsrMYqbpdz6g8OCeN6ACtmLEsIUX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Russell L. Carter wrote: > Greetings, > I can easily create a ZFS filesystem on a USB sdcard, > but I have not yet found the recipe for safely unmounting > it and then mounting it on another 12.0 FreeBSD system. You mean you have created a ZFS pool on that sdcard? > Ideally, the answer is just a google search away, but > alas, that has not turned out to be the case.=C2=A0 Yeah, > I suck at google, evidently. >=20 > Can anybody help? Should be the same as for any ZFS pool -- `zpool export `; on another system -- `zfs import `. You could possibly need '-f' flag for import if you forgot to export the pool first. --YQPfYGsrMYqbpdz6g8OCeN6ACtmLEsIUX-- --GDIZweFeMHo33MhxuQ57jfFGORCvwNRgB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+Gq3PsPeLT4tL/9wk4vgf7Eq4WwFAlwNsFEACgkQk4vgf7Eq 4Wwh3gf+LtFhJZGEEMSUHpkh1fkbY8VnEdhOMpDo264VZs36lMTMm0ei/H7cpplZ X0zkxtg9ElBW5sdZmeztceIcipitCGbwy0slF0q0QYYoAvuKMruIw7D+mSHgP3ic tHdMEKXYP8xIld+D8AIshRIZUjLf+TN/NVM/v+slGZdPyVmxnrIoPeA5XHV1uwr+ TF8iJL4XpBgQyjMCGBXqX7iYXDKPU44nWlS63ypv9GDAzSu6i0YWwrI30zWhHgrS 7C99kwiX1Z+X46NKOrI2lfHtsiZGWhHEOjbRDsjsdHwNGdAmyqbHQMCdDITGW+rc jpgVnlAzm2qJ6OOqZPXyXAoOicA+3g== =mu7P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GDIZweFeMHo33MhxuQ57jfFGORCvwNRgB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 01:19:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA611130CBDF for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2515B871DC for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gWA8D-000KyL-JD; Sun, 09 Dec 2018 18:13:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 18:13:09 -0700 From: The Doctor To: Ivan Klymenko Cc: mehdi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-ID: <20181210011309.GA78026@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <6a2686cb-89a8-5830-c040-6c85aaec3bc2@gmail.com> <20181209230655.57a1a520@nonamehost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181209230655.57a1a520@nonamehost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2515B871DC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.13)[-0.127,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.134,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.28)[0.281,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: doctor.nl2k.ab.ca]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[ukr.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:19:17 -0000 On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 11:06:55PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > ?? 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1) server machine (freebsd) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 1 (x11 server) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 2 (x11 server) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 3 (x11 server) 2) client machine (access jails with xclient) thank you for your advice From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 10:19:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC63131A3E8 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reneka10@yahoo.fr) Received: from sonic311-30.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic311-30.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17DEC719EA for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reneka10@yahoo.fr) X-YMail-OSG: hXPuvTkVM1keqb2eQO7ApBZPjMfUDFEJDNtTBMVicnlvOz9Ku31VR82N5js2INE lWcruoQ_ukoeXbVCfL5t_2CvqLOawIIU3_.DbFhFybfRG7ceqLEk5fMIISqGpoTs5lmcRfo6xTae 8cMwRdZUIPrA6qW7s7gc8FM3OmyXPLGx9ptVGSzITEjP1lQu7xX9hiz2u2MMkG1WjtsrVhsMwvPS _ZQqi43evJm4BHMgecjFiDlQnlLcBNhauiES.48TcAmQrjJR0HHGU0.aeTR_xb1rIfbTbNIR8htf nlM2QtWF.Sb2nfbyV2baf4lfIjUF5k8gj.FHnggnjBZAhsOsMnw4_FoSmUHtMQF9DP9WRj__.tn7 6qrnC4jHBgF2AoW6JVETieJQ36wnwCLK8RDsQpXm_2lullm4LwjW1V4K2mFOkh8asBHfyQvrTShE RSV0b4tnBYi2VBjT8PSZ_VxCzp7ApdqxhL4jxsG81.AXrnkGQsYKSz6kaigYg6njfLW4cd7uooMM aNr40jpA8a1IxMYu8y7VCmBCfqAgK706erA1VRZgMbSjKdhWpOsO0ujgKwEqXQ52iVqcOni.tPUX BD1_NcpMHdFXrWz8QGwBj1ZZVQhPEcjdXtx61O5DlKYGJhi7f8HYikpGcQYFG1W0rQeOUR0ShGk1 D308xDx3qm4.Wc.fA5czjJqYVYo7kOgcRMX.gJWAKzizl8es1HtbMUhGuQ.N1D5XEQne2aPGX9G9 1JAm51XleLbnaqdScjA4FS8nAfr5ZOytqVsKLCC9S9Y3V5tKrrAkXN85pssnJuqYjNpiA2gl.gqv BXrX.gFzGnPoJVGD7VFCQWMGLWYbGac5vO8A0OGn5ecSUCq__BjI9W3sv13psLMlWkDTy5U5.e2B s3IWbU7HkAaGb1k.LPU87GXLY3LJ5Y7liFo8Hpz6x2.TdBAavjdmqIIOmnh20_f07ORV9BIcJc3D UAkbHPtfOf1RsekKxqkVkr.8ITWXgn9KL1STg3XodTl9fYeQpxVWKWnfsYb7ZBHVRu8z7 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:18:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:18:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Shyaka Rene To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <249307665.2300179.1544437135772@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: freebsd jails advice MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <249307665.2300179.1544437135772.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12857 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 17DEC719EA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.fr]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.fr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.62)[0.622,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.989,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(1.89)[ip: (5.30), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.35), asn: 34010(1.90), country: GB(-0.10)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.fr:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[162.176.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.fr,reject]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.89)[0.887,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.fr]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[162.176.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:19:07 -0000 hello, I don't have experience with freebsd or system administration, but i= need your advice suppose I have this scenario with 2 computers 1) server (not big just 8GB RAM) machine with virtualbox or openstack insta= lled with any OS =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- virtual machine 1 for java development with eclipse in= stalled =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- virtual machine 2 for php development with eclipse =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- virtual machine 3 for testing anything all these virtual machines have graphical user interface installed (windows= or gnome any OS) 2) client machine for accessing virtual machines using remote desktop or VN= C client. my problem is Is it possible to change this senario to Freebsd and jails with x11server i= nstalled on jails and access them using x11client? 1) server machine (freebsd) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 1 (x11 server) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 2 (x11 server) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0- jail 3 (x11 server) 2) client machine (access jails with xclient) thank you for your advice From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 11:51:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D341322A44 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E654474D9E for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71D5A77F9 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/71D5A77F9; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <5f200ac3-68cb-84f3-02b2-f224ef392b91@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:51:30 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E654474D9E X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:51:57 -0000 On 10/12/2018 10:17, Shyaka Rene via freebsd-questions wrote: > > hello, I don't have experience with freebsd or system administration, but i need your advice > > suppose I have this scenario with 2 computers > > 1) server (not big just 8GB RAM) machine with virtualbox or openstack installed with any OS >     - virtual machine 1 for java development with eclipse installed >     - virtual machine 2 for php development with eclipse >     - virtual machine 3 for testing anything > all these virtual machines have graphical user interface installed (windows or gnome any OS) > 2) client machine for accessing virtual machines using remote desktop or VNC client. > > my problem is > Is it possible to change this senario to Freebsd and jails with x11server installed on jails > and access them using x11client? > 1) server machine (freebsd) >     - jail 1 (x11 server) >     - jail 2 (x11 server) >     - jail 3 (x11 server) > 2) client machine (access jails with xclient) > thank you for your advice Yes, this is certainly possible, but a bit more complicated than you might hope. You've got the client and server sides of X mixed up. The X server is the bit which controls the display -- ie. it runs on your laptop or desktop machine. The X client is the piece of software that you are trying to interact with through that display -- so, eclipse in this case. Clients can be run either locally or remotely. It's confusing because it is the other way round from just about any other network accessible service where you run a local client to connect to a server which could also be local but is almost always remote. So, you don't need an X server in each of the jails. You just need your X capable software in each jail and you need to set the DISPLAY environment variable correctly so that will talk to your X server on your local desktop. Pease do not use remote X11 access across a network in plaintext. That's roughly of the same order of badness as using things like rsh or rlogin. Instead, set up your jails with ssh and ssh into each of them, forwarding an X connection over SSH (which will typically set up thigs like DISPLAY appropriately in the environment for you.) This means that the X client only needs to talk on the loopback address in order to feed the traffic into the SSH session. Unfortunately with standard FreeBSD jails, there isn't a loopback interface within the jail, and any attempt to connect to the loopback is transparently redirected to connect to the jail external interface, which kind of confounds the whole security arrangement there. So make sure to write your firewall rules carefully to prevent X traffic egressing from your jails onto the network at large. You might consider investigating VNET jails, which are new in 12.0-RELEASE (due out Real Soon Now), where individual jails *do* have their own loopback addresses, but these are a bit more complex to set up. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 11:58:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7A61322D35 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (vps.markoturk.info [95.154.208.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C45D75110 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markoml@markoturk.info) Received: from vps.markoturk.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vps.markoturk.info (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 777E12736F; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:58:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=markoturk.info; s=s1024; t=1544443113; bh=4piybe79D9iODLcscYvrK5adFe9eyBtWRyHd3abH70Q=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=SEppcmKzyhS6nRrAEjd5oBvuDwLHEqZdHcnvVDcSdKs64AVUmu7dxJQUcEkikh1YV KeT94ZIdmDUA2X+S8tms2UfSX/9xpd9hiO+hKUBYdzNNGkpEhUcEHmfhPNURKkwE+v 4muIOs35xzzv61KKFjivqZ8lNuoKuALwgwfAny1I= Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:58:29 +0100 From: Marko Turk To: Shyaka Rene Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice Message-ID: <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5vNYLRcllDrimb99" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1C45D75110 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[markoturk.info]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:95.154.208.14]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[markoturk.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[markoturk.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[vps.markoturk.info]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.fr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[asn: 20860(-1.05), country: GB(-0.10)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.355,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:95.154.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:58:43 -0000 --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:17:05AM +0000, Shyaka Rene via freebsd-questions= wrote: >=20 > hello, I don't have experience with freebsd or system administration, but= i need your advice >=20 > suppose I have this scenario with 2 computers >=20 > 1) server (not big just 8GB RAM) machine with virtualbox or openstack ins= talled with any OS > =A0=A0 =A0- virtual machine 1 for java development with eclipse installed > =A0=A0 =A0- virtual machine 2 for php development with eclipse > =A0=A0 =A0- virtual machine 3 for testing anything > all these virtual machines have graphical user interface installed (windo= ws or gnome any OS) > 2) client machine for accessing virtual machines using remote desktop or = VNC client. >=20 > my problem is > Is it possible to change this senario to Freebsd and jails with x11server= installed on jails > and access them using x11client? > 1) server machine (freebsd) > =A0=A0 =A0- jail 1 (x11 server) > =A0=A0 =A0- jail 2 (x11 server) > =A0=A0 =A0- jail 3 (x11 server) > 2) client machine (access jails with xclient) > thank you for your advice I suggest you install some VNC server inside the jails and then connect with VNC viewer from the host. 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There was an update on the 7th Upgrade of py27-certbot-0.28.0_1,1 to py27-certbot-0.29.1_1,1 and on 3 boxes tested so far, which all had certs, i now see no certs listed and a request to redo the initial registation on attempts to install a new cert. i don't see any issues upstream here: https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/ so not sure if this is  FBSD thing or not. Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 14:10:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829341327194; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound2.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D51297A4AA; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBAE8XDD072439 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:08:34 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.10] Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org >> FreeBSD Ports" References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:10:44 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D51297A4AA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ifdnrg.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: as1.ifdnrg.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.808,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[38.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[asn: 20860(-1.11), country: GB(-0.10)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:10:46 -0000 On 10/12/2018 13:15, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Is anyone else seeing py-certbot having lost all installed certs, and > the initial registation data? > > There was an update on the 7th > > Upgrade of py27-certbot-0.28.0_1,1 to py27-certbot-0.29.1_1,1 > > and on 3 boxes tested so far, which all had certs, i now see no certs > listed and a request to redo the initial registation on attempts to > install a new cert. > > i don't see any issues upstream here: > https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/ so not sure if this is  > FBSD thing or not. > > Paul. passing --config-dir /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt shows expected output, i suspect something has happend with that flag on the upgrade ( i see /etc/letsencrypt directories on affected servers) > > -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 14:21:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9D4132784A for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595FE7ADFE for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2628D718054 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:20:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <12a18f2b-19e0-6218-0d4c-782822e26a88@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:20:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 595FE7ADFE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.50)[-0.499,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.48)[0.476,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu,cosmo.uchicago.edu]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.330,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:21:03 -0000 On 12/10/18 7:15 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Is anyone else seeing py-certbot having lost all installed certs, and > the initial registation data? Not me. I'm using it on several machines, mostly FreeBSD, but some (CentOS) Linuxes as well, for over a year. Works like a charm, never had any trouble of any kind. Valeri > > There was an update on the 7th > > Upgrade of py27-certbot-0.28.0_1,1 to py27-certbot-0.29.1_1,1 > > and on 3 boxes tested so far, which all had certs, i now see no certs > listed and a request to redo the initial registation on attempts to > install a new cert. > > i don't see any issues upstream here: > https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/ so not sure if this is > FBSD thing or not. > > Paul. > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 14:41:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D101328467 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound2.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB697BD2B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBAEcvZL091850 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:38:57 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.10] Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: <80637ff8-1c6a-d23b-6bda-bc8b48b5c51b@ifdnrg.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:41:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5EB697BD2B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ifdnrg.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: as1.ifdnrg.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.880,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[38.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[asn: 20860(-1.14), country: GB(-0.10)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:41:10 -0000 On 10/12/2018 14:10, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 10/12/2018 13:15, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> Is anyone else seeing py-certbot having lost all installed certs, and >> the initial registation data? >> >> There was an update on the 7th >> >> Upgrade of py27-certbot-0.28.0_1,1 to py27-certbot-0.29.1_1,1 >> >> and on 3 boxes tested so far, which all had certs, i now see no certs >> listed and a request to redo the initial registation on attempts to >> install a new cert. >> >> i don't see any issues upstream here: >> https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/issues/ so not sure if this >> is  FBSD thing or not. >> >> Paul. > > > passing --config-dir /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt shows expected output, > i suspect something has happend with that flag on the upgrade ( i see > /etc/letsencrypt directories on affected servers) > > >> >> I think this is due to the config dir defaulting to /etc/letsencrypt in the latest update, symlinking /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt to /etc/letsencrypt is a quick fix tested as working for me.. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 15:50:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E78132A87C for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 678087F46F for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:50:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBAFoLdH080836 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:50:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:50:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 678087F46F X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.61)[-0.608,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.946,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.894,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[country: IT(0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:50:40 -0000 On 12/10/18 12:58 PM, Marko Turk wrote: > I suggest you install some VNC server inside the jails and then connect > with VNC viewer from the host. I disagree: it's too much trouble, it's slow, it's memory consuming. "ssh -X"ing into the jail works much better. Just my 2c. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 17:00:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8EB132C8F5 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7605830CB for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id 1AD189E68; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:00:09 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1544461209; bh=87ECx583sUALeb4RsRLvoL596ivhYNe73DRiNBOJOfU=; h=From:Subject:To:References:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KKA8BYaSUCB0V5m59aQGYbrRbNgBJpkYLl2rtzkJC6fyzwTDhGIcIzr4CE53HoFpP KjjtR8lChz56MYN/cAR1puIzZMUA9kXazL1ur0YtiUBdFbqZiBC+OJs6c2rexLqtYY fqoF9UWABvfGmqxelyIER4a3WdiSXfALV2LWzXFE= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on h2.n1.pinyon.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,URIBL_BLOCKED shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from [10.0.10.15] (h1.pinyon.org [65.101.20.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB0309E5D; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1544461207; bh=87ECx583sUALeb4RsRLvoL596ivhYNe73DRiNBOJOfU=; h=From:Subject:To:References:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To; b=BuGzM8dBlFwExMDce6wx0d++Y5pbuu6AnhKbAsfbaQZxiOCy8FNXcKt+w+RCeYPKb A9GujeT6ypqTJVtu0DqipkI40z+unxmNYUss8ta2RECacnv2CGccG6bPBOtM4FelCe Qpd8fLxrbTU1QPWVtZgoj0a8LOL13DOV0TE28NOc= From: "Russell L. Carter" Subject: Re: HOWTO safely unmount remove USB zfs sdcard To: Yuri Pankov References: <2217f3f1-0df3-6f13-d4c4-4eed9c661f87@yuripv.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:00:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2217f3f1-0df3-6f13-d4c4-4eed9c661f87@yuripv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A7605830CB X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.920,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: h2.pinyon.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.794,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.04)[asn: 209(-0.12), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.100.0.0/14, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:00:09 -0000 On 12/9/18 5:16 PM, Yuri Pankov wrote: > Russell L. Carter wrote: >> Greetings, >> I can easily create a ZFS filesystem on a USB sdcard, >> but I have not yet found the recipe for safely unmounting >> it and then mounting it on another 12.0 FreeBSD system. > > You mean you have created a ZFS pool on that sdcard? Yes. >> Ideally, the answer is just a google search away, but >> alas, that has not turned out to be the case.  Yeah, >> I suck at google, evidently. >> >> Can anybody help? > > Should be the same as for any ZFS pool -- `zpool export `; on > another system -- `zfs import `. You could possibly need '-f' > flag for import if you forgot to export the pool first. > Thank you. So simple! With the aid of the -R option on import I am good to go. 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[24.148.238.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b17sm6840075qkj.69.2018.12.10.09.16.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:16:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: Ken MacKenzie Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:16:29 -0500 From: Ken M To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice Message-ID: <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.0 (2018-11-25) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0D61683FAC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mack-z.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ken@mack-z.com,devilock76@gmail.com]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ken@mack-z.com,devilock76@gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.23)[ip: (-8.27), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:16:55 -0000 Depending on the ssh encryption format ssh -X can actually be slower than VNC. I offer a third suggestion, I find XRDP to be very handy combined with remmina. Ken On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:50:21PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 12/10/18 12:58 PM, Marko Turk wrote: > > > I suggest you install some VNC server inside the jails and then connect > > with VNC viewer from the host. > > I disagree: it's too much trouble, it's slow, it's memory consuming. > > "ssh -X"ing into the jail works much better. > > Just my 2c. > > bye > av. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 17:29:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E86132DBA8 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3C984709 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC24CA325; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBAHSxs9041391; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id wBAHSult041386; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:28:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Ken M cc: Andrea Venturoli , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice In-Reply-To: <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> Message-ID: References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2D3C984709 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.90)[0.896,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[bucksport.safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.71)[ip: (7.19), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(3.59), asn: 11288(2.87), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:29:06 -0000 On Mon, 10 Dec 2018, Ken M wrote: > Depending on the ssh encryption format ssh -X can actually be slower than VNC. > > I offer a third suggestion, I find XRDP to be very handy combined with remmina. > > Ken > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:50:21PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> On 12/10/18 12:58 PM, Marko Turk wrote: >> >>> I suggest you install some VNC server inside the jails and then connect >>> with VNC viewer from the host. >> >> I disagree: it's too much trouble, it's slow, it's memory consuming. >> >> "ssh -X"ing into the jail works much better. >> >> Just my 2c. >> I agree with the ssh-ing. I have been doing this since 5.2 on bandwidths ranging from dial-up modem to my current 50mbps. Even on the modems response was always better than I can type. Detail on encryption that do not work would be most helpful. I have akways used RSA. 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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.66)[ip: (-5.45), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.50), asn: 15169(-1.28), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:48:58 -0000 On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:44 AM Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > I think this is due to the config dir defaulting to /etc/letsencrypt in > the latest update, > > symlinking /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt to /etc/letsencrypt is a quick fix > tested as working for me.. +1 --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 17:53:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85218132E5A6 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D920F854E1 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E27978A2 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/5E27978A2; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:53:05 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D920F854E1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:53:08 -0000 On 10/12/2018 17:28, doug@safeport.com wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018, Ken M wrote: > >> Depending on the ssh encryption format ssh -X can actually be slower >> than VNC. >> >> I offer a third suggestion, I find XRDP to be very handy combined with >> remmina. >> >> Ken >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 04:50:21PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>> On 12/10/18 12:58 PM, Marko Turk wrote: >>> >>>> I suggest you install some VNC server inside the jails and then connect >>>> with VNC viewer from the host. >>> >>> I disagree: it's too much trouble, it's slow, it's memory consuming. >>> >>> "ssh -X"ing into the jail works much better. >>> >>> Just my 2c. >>> > > I agree with the ssh-ing. I have been doing this since 5.2 on bandwidths > ranging from dial-up modem to my current 50mbps. Even on the modems > response was always better than I can type. Detail on encryption that do > not work would be most helpful. I have akways used RSA. Assuming you're using fairly recent FreeBSD for both ends of the SSH connection, then you can use RSA, ECDHA or ED_25519 type keys for authentication. Which of these you use doesn't make much difference to overall performance as the PKI part is only used at login time for authentication and to securely exchange a session key -- that's symmetric encryption using a cipher like chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com or aes256-gcm@openssh.com. These symmetric-key ciphers handle all of the actual traffic. They're also significantly faster than the asymmetric encryption. In fact, anything reputable offering encrypted network traffic nowadays will be using pretty much the same set of ciphers as SSH. So overall performance differences will probably come down to the volume and nature of the data being sent to-and-fro, and the characteristics of the networks you're traversing. 'ssh -X' basically sends a stream of X events -- mouse movements, button clicks, key presses, in one direction, window redraws, etc. in the other; whereas VNC sends a raster image of the screen, usually with various traffic compression applied, including such techniques as sending only the deltas between successive frames. Which one turns out faster depends entirely on the application you're running and how you're interacting with it. 'ssh -X' is usually "fast enough" if client and server are on fairly nearby networks with a low latency, reasonably high bandwidth connection between them -- so both on the same LAN. It suffers if your client app is way away in darkest Elbonia at the other end of a piece of wet string, and VNC can indeed perform better there. On a good network though, you'll likely not notice much difference whatever way you work it. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 17:56:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C98132E6BC for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B9F857A8 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F1D778A4 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/5F1D778A4; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> <80637ff8-1c6a-d23b-6bda-bc8b48b5c51b@ifdnrg.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <5314f953-78f4-234a-0a66-5874f9d4fe41@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:22 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 51B9F857A8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:24 -0000 On 10/12/2018 17:48, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:44 AM Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> I think this is due to the config dir defaulting to /etc/letsencrypt in >> the latest update, >> >> symlinking /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt to /etc/letsencrypt is a quick fix >> tested as working for me.. > > > +1 > This was due to an upstream change moving where various paths are defined to a different file, and so making the port's attempt to modify the settings in the original file pretty futile. I'll be working on a fix later tonight. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 17:59:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44EF132E847 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89AFE859CA for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBAHwrhL099500 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:59:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice To: Ken M Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <556380033.2269176.1544437025342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <556380033.2269176.1544437025342@mail.yahoo.com> <20181210115829.GA35331@vps.markoturk.info> <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:58:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181210171629.GA66232@ultron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 89AFE859CA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.45)[-0.450,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.887,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.390,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[country: IT(0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:59:04 -0000 On 12/10/18 6:16 PM, Ken M wrote: > Depending on the ssh encryption format ssh -X can actually be slower than VNC. I never experienced this. (N.B. I'm not saying you are wrong, possibly it depends on use case). In any case, I think the OP's talking about a LAN: in that case I don't think speed matters that much and SSH+X11 will give a much better experience than VNC or RDP (cfr. one program running remotely vs the whole desktop running remotely). 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > On Sun, December 9, 2018 20:13, The Doctor wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 11:06:55PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > >> ?? Mon, 10 Dec 2018 00:18:50 +0330 > >> mehdi ??????????: > >> > >> > hi > >> > > >> > what the diffrent freebsd and linux? > >> > > >> > thanks > >> > > >> FreeBSD is Operating System. > >> Linux is kernel. > > > > FreeBSD uses a 4.4BSD Kernel NOT a LinSuck kernel! > > > > What is this? The troll before Christmas? > > > LOL. Along those lines... why did NeXT then-to-be OS X decide on Mach ? Anybody know the history on this? I have always wondered 1) who decided to use FreeBSD as the base OS (I'm guessing the licensing played a big part of the decision) , 2) Why Mach, 3) Why Objective C. Not that I agree or disagree with the choices just curious if the story of how/who chose these things for NeXT and if this story ever went public anywhere... 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Mon, 10 Dec 2018 20:46:58 +0000 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data Thread-Topic: certbot lost certificates , and registration data Thread-Index: AQHUkMl9S2NZObWU6EiXJNiRerqwmw== Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 20:46:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> <80637ff8-1c6a-d23b-6bda-bc8b48b5c51b@ifdnrg.com> <5314f953-78f4-234a-0a66-5874f9d4fe41@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5314f953-78f4-234a-0a66-5874f9d4fe41@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: FreeBSD Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-clientproxiedby: BN6PR03CA0068.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:404:4c::30) To SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:802:28::14) x-mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.1 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-w64-mingw32) x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:6C358513CA2B19B5E753F3DAD67B89D965E80C758D9E45E9214E898B633BDDF6; UpperCasedChecksum:A262BFA2F909BE67B96AB105F907B5B77CD6D1E8E0720BA24752F256A6163C0B; 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I'll be working on a=20 >fix later tonight. I am not sure if all of the py*-certbots are maintained by the same person; but shouldn't they have caught this problem before releasing it? They must have tested it, right? --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 10 21:26:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6501333EEF for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D6A56F773 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id WT4cgWgfSsismWT4fg0z6w; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:26:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:26:41 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Problems upgrading to 11.2 Message-ID: <09156572DC7F85C9735B0C5F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPhv0I6g6gk1fFRvQgOezMfiYHky+rDEKewlB0s16oRlJ5mTEsavSlBepQRtze9nZhshTZWJT59Rl6FIbjjj0ViJ1UDW2vL+qIjpw5worf+2wzm9IwRC 2GVjsD47UcYsbZksbY5gOefO/93ZjML8LABGY7GzH1CbfbGgzgrFiK/yR2BEBG6cvE28Wf6nYp8MwA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5D6A56F773 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.40)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.85), asn: 7843(-3.08), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com,dnvrco-cmedge02.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.884,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[230.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:26:56 -0000 I recently upgraded a system from 10.4-RELEASE to 11.2-RELEASE using freebsd-update. When I rebooted, the system did not come back up. I had to go down to the hosting company and get on the console to see what was wrong. The system had a bunch of corrupted files. After running fsck twice, it came back up and is running fine. (I'm rebuilding all ports right now.) This is the second machine that's cratered doing the update. The first one corrupted /etc/rc.conf, but all the other files were fine. (Why it chose that one file is a mystery.) Has anyone else run into file corruption when running this upgrade? (I'm running ufs if that makes a difference.) Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.134.135.93.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; IP_SCORE(1.01)[ip: (0.94), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.33), asn: 34010(1.89), country: GB(-0.10)]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.965,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.940,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.37)[0.370,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[207.176.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[207.176.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:11:48 -0000 I've got the impression that the OP's main question isn't in the original mail's body, it is in the subject "freebsd or linux". Those operating systems have some things in common. For example, they share that both allow to install another operating system on the same machine, IOW it is possible to install both operating systems on one computer and to experience the differences. An important differences between FreeBSD and Linux might be, that Linux is provided by distributions that follow different policies. For testing purpose the OP should consider to install a so called Linux "major distribution" (https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major) parallel to FreeBSD and to spend some time with each install, to find out which one does fit better to the OP's usage. Regarding operating system sectarianism it could be important to know who is better, Beastie or Tux? You could get in contact with them, by a portal such as https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Thorn-apple.jpg/1280px-Thorn-apple.jpg or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Psilocybe_semilanceata_6514.jpg/1024px-Psilocybe_semilanceata_6514.jpg and discuss this first-hand with Beastie and Tux. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4l5AkRU8gQIcYaiA2eC3O0YHl3GrhXh8u" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 64AF4731D5 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.2.64.0/18, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 23:14:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4l5AkRU8gQIcYaiA2eC3O0YHl3GrhXh8u Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NV4SrIWKp6IwXmWV5Svj2svTH7N0vHnRY"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <14e39bc0-6910-e264-e0e5-482cda6b490e@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> <80637ff8-1c6a-d23b-6bda-bc8b48b5c51b@ifdnrg.com> <5314f953-78f4-234a-0a66-5874f9d4fe41@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: --NV4SrIWKp6IwXmWV5Svj2svTH7N0vHnRY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/12/2018 20:46, Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:22 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >=20 >> This was due to an upstream change moving where various paths are=20 >> defined to a different file, and so making the port's attempt to modif= y=20 >> the settings in the original file pretty futile. I'll be working on a= =20 >> fix later tonight. >=20 > I am not sure if all of the py*-certbots are maintained by the same per= son; > but shouldn't they have caught this problem before releasing it? They m= ust > have tested it, right? >=20 They're mostly maintained by python@FreeBSD.org which is a group of people (See towards the end of https://wiki.freebsd.org/Python). Yes, ideally this mistake would have been caught before the port was updated. It's a slightly tricky thing though -- test building would have shown everything was fine. It's only when anyone tried to *run* certbot that the problems become apparent, and no-one did that before committing the upgrade. For routine updates patch-level updates like this one, 99% of the time just doing build tests is sufficient. This unluckily happened to be one of the 1%. If anyone is interested in testing it, I've created a patch which can be downloaded from https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D23390= 9 Cheers, Matthew --NV4SrIWKp6IwXmWV5Svj2svTH7N0vHnRY-- --4l5AkRU8gQIcYaiA2eC3O0YHl3GrhXh8u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAlwO809fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5OcTJQ//eSWmqwJxvT/OalkfbwUSDe3+/foVqYkqy5t1LtPjJsqxyvhvbjIazFMM DiMvIXEBfE9TUJl8a/yJh7UXcfI3IVJNlsowciZxuqQ/5e4sUHoFNdU+YYggGD0+ sP2ar5a6lW4zxdnsf6IZtFkqYUkRl4rziqXyNuSSSgHBTfaoT2mqzfEZG3pEbaA4 acc6Khjz8SyZ18KqAaoXg74Urj53DV1OR4fOMSXpj7NcFUhJ9OMAxXONP2nV6Uly Uqkw0eCC9b3FF64rguaKVVcbzeEMfu53+ONpBw+hVdEIehCsOdh2wh5w9OkT3FOu 4f03cINMvQaNBlQV0VSkx296SqjmtKdwdgPZASxC0scOeaK1a0Jz4trEGYE4CKer L8d8VDJNOtkd74P3NvVaPSSXsyq8OqNveJebLWqjIp4N1QOezUFA8R0z9B3WRLx5 4ua1fo7ft2MJEIIQ1ph5xCH4qL6o9wy6TEqa3BMl5n8pLOGxN4xiteI+ii4vUBt7 Xxurc+szD9sUuqbKTAAupy5kZSXxB6XmgU/QwZc7NBoR+PxjYsPVTUITTcKpLwM3 mEh2w0eHge/QPOcIrGJgUme8vm5BeO07r9ic6DJZSyPYXVBq6RQXX/G3SVwIvjR7 aFtjcsGuO4uDa1e+YHOytK/CrAFHkMg1v9EGku+QIIzkj2N1zUU= =fRm+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4l5AkRU8gQIcYaiA2eC3O0YHl3GrhXh8u-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 00:15:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1BB1337758 for ; 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Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CD8481807 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C78110219; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:18:49 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 270FA11020A; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:18:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:18:49 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-ID: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5CD8481807 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.964,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.972,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[asg.geeks.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.932,0]; IP_SCORE(0.73)[asn: 7753(3.74), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:19:01 -0000 On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 03:20:04PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Along those lines... why did NeXT then-to-be OS X decide on Mach ? Anybody > know the history on this? I have always wondered 1) who decided to use > FreeBSD as the base OS (I'm guessing the licensing played a big part of the > decision) , 2) Why Mach, 3) Why Objective C. Not that I agree or disagree > with the choices just curious if the story of how/who chose these things > for NeXT and if this story ever went public anywhere... You can find bits and pieces all over on the history. OSX is just NeXTStep redone with the Apple brand. At the time of creating NeXTStep, research into microkernels was very in vogue, as the perception was that the traditional unix kernels were getting very bloated and impossible to manage any longer (now, we probably have kernels orders of magnitude larger than what they were trying to work against). CMU's Mach research kernel started with 4.3BSD, and replaced the kernel out of there with their own. This was still an era when unix was encumbered, and 4.3BSD and later 4.4BSD hadn't been "freed" yet in all senses of the word. CMU's work fed back into 4.4BSD to make it better as well. This project was very influential, if not into a direct decendant such as NeXTStep/OSX; the core ideas made it into many commercial OSs of the time. Jobs knew he wanted a multi-user, multi-tasking OS. He was targeting the research communities with NeXT that were used to multi-tasking timeshare systems. A cutting edge unix based OS was a natural fit for this. It wasn't like AT&T was going to license SysVR4 to him. As for FreeBSD, that just grew out of the early use of 4.3BSD/4.4BSD. CMU was never trying (IMHO) to replace everything in 4.4BSD, but was doing research into microkernels. Jobs was also so very influenced by the work at Xerox Parc. SmallTalk was invented there, and Jobs saw the utility in having libraries of objects ready to roll out programs quickly. Objective-C is a lot of SmallTalk bound into the C programming language, and adopted by NeXT. Combined along with its Interface Builder, it made for quite a formidible GUI program design and rapid prototyping environment. When Apple bought NeXT, they basicly made the next version as Apple OSX and continued along from the earliest concepts at NeXT. Ie. even most Cocoa API calls are NS... for NeXTStep. 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Thanks A LOT for taking the time to answer. I kew a few of these things and have picked up bits and pieces as well but you answered some questions I have never seen explained elsewhere. Some things are curious though. The initial release date of NeXT is 1989 (derived from 4.3BSD-Tahoe released in 1988) but I think that it still had some AT&T code in it so you still had to obtain a license from AT&T to run any form of BSD. So AT&T did license to NeXT in one form or another after all ;-) So I guess that bottom line is that were few options (if any) for Jobs in 1988. The other curious thing and somewhat unrelated (or not?) is how close 386BSD FreeBSD were to Linux (both in '91, FreeBSD actually '92). So if only for a few months, Linux would probably not exist. But I wonder if the whole Free Software-later-Open Source movement would have played out in much the same way. Ironically, FreeBSD is more free than "Free Software" per the FSF-GPL. 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Best regards, Tommy Cooper AFAB Studio 615-268-6200 www.afabstudio.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 08:15:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3811325E5A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AFAA8A4A2 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544516158; x=1547108158; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=93fQvDCsRouiEgFArkerg37C/qCFZdP45v2jrdjecgk=; b=dVIKcoo93+kJMwfqQj14rQekqGrBSszDqBHJVtbs9h2N8InIHzNNcpq6g4IPRQa81cRdiWPzNPaanaQ9gmejCqIte+3Y5JG3CjhOCzcNjkclG8N61RrTNBdkJ7i5YASKOcZv4dK/mm7z+MnWysH9OfcaJsn1QgTlVEx+QxoZLP4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDIwN2IwNmMuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.5.202.82]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:15:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:15:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gWdCd-0007lU-Cs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:15:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:15:39 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-Id: <20181211081539.2b4131f00305fc85e60527a8@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0AFAA8A4A2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.75)[-0.745,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.210,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.45), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.23), asn: 7381(-0.18), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:15:59 -0000 On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:51:31 -0500 Alejandro Imass wrote: > The other curious thing and somewhat unrelated (or not?) is how close > 386BSD FreeBSD were to Linux (both in '91, FreeBSD actually '92). So if > only for a few months, Linux would probably not exist. There was another factor which gave Linux breathing space to become workable, the ATT/BSD lawsuit that had the legal status of the BSDs in question until it was resolved in 1994. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 08:34:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E63B132661C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F173E8AE3C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544517295; x=1547109295; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=A+1FT62sFpO4dRBOvNRAZbagpyXCOZ1Em4p9HIeeYL8=; b=BdGT6lopCRXVNDtLns6QqCnDnWeyKuRXYhnwUaVvjcUDioMgksfF+hawDMp0r3pEB/lUK1ZsqZSrEl1BFu8xj+cfiW00PZ89QufOod4IItHLylg6/zXQnVpVwx99TpVuGPAkA36RKDernwf89ta5kDAs9vxGJ883QcsgbNGUK1Q= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDIwN2I5NjYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:34:52 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:34:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gWdVC-0007oH-18 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:34:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:34:49 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-Id: <20181211083449.2b0582960aad72bbed914ed0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F173E8AE3C X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.757,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.226,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.47), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.23), asn: 7381(-0.19), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:34:55 -0000 On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:51:31 -0500 Alejandro Imass wrote: > But I wonder if the > whole Free Software-later-Open Source movement would have played out in > much the same way. Ironically, FreeBSD is more free than "Free Software" > per the FSF-GPL. The GPL is older than Linux and the GNU software collection even older (GNU Emacs dates to 1985, gcc to 1987, bash around the same time). I had a GNU tape aroud 1988 which had GNU versions of most of the classic unix tools including gcc and bash. 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I'll be working on a= =20 >>> fix later tonight. =20 >>=20 >> I am not sure if all of the py*-certbots are maintained by the same pers= on; >> but shouldn't they have caught this problem before releasing it? They mu= st >> have tested it, right? >> =20 > >They're mostly maintained by python@FreeBSD.org which is a group of >people (See towards the end of https://wiki.freebsd.org/Python). > >Yes, ideally this mistake would have been caught before the port was >updated. It's a slightly tricky thing though -- test building would >have shown everything was fine. It's only when anyone tried to *run* >certbot that the problems become apparent, and no-one did that before >committing the upgrade. For routine updates patch-level updates like >this one, 99% of the time just doing build tests is sufficient. This >unluckily happened to be one of the 1%. > >If anyone is interested in testing it, I've created a patch which can be >downloaded from https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D233909 > > Cheers, > > Matthew I tried the patch, and it appears to be working. I'm using py36-certbot wit= h the apache option if that makes any difference. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 11:55:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59FA132D89C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B8536B288 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.202.132.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3952079C0 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=infracaninophile.co.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/3952079C0; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: certbot lost certificates , and registration data To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4290f82e-ce3a-0ce3-aab7-df21a9c636e6@ifdnrg.com> <80637ff8-1c6a-d23b-6bda-bc8b48b5c51b@ifdnrg.com> <5314f953-78f4-234a-0a66-5874f9d4fe41@FreeBSD.org> <14e39bc0-6910-e264-e0e5-482cda6b490e@FreeBSD.org> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <6c0308b9-c5a1-705e-71c1-542142e67c12@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:55:41 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1B8536B288 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.467,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[infracaninophile.co.uk,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: GB(-0.10)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:55:46 -0000 On 11/12/2018 10:57, Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 23:14:23 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: > >> On 10/12/2018 20:46, Carmel NY wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:56:22 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >>> >>>> This was due to an upstream change moving where various paths are >>>> defined to a different file, and so making the port's attempt to modify >>>> the settings in the original file pretty futile. I'll be working on a >>>> fix later tonight. >>> >>> I am not sure if all of the py*-certbots are maintained by the same person; >>> but shouldn't they have caught this problem before releasing it? They must >>> have tested it, right? >>> >> >> They're mostly maintained by python@FreeBSD.org which is a group of >> people (See towards the end of https://wiki.freebsd.org/Python). >> >> Yes, ideally this mistake would have been caught before the port was >> updated. It's a slightly tricky thing though -- test building would >> have shown everything was fine. It's only when anyone tried to *run* >> certbot that the problems become apparent, and no-one did that before >> committing the upgrade. For routine updates patch-level updates like >> this one, 99% of the time just doing build tests is sufficient. This >> unluckily happened to be one of the 1%. >> >> If anyone is interested in testing it, I've created a patch which can be >> downloaded from https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233909 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew > > I tried the patch, and it appears to be working. I'm using py36-certbot with > the apache option if that makes any difference. > Thanks for testing. Just waiting on approval from python@. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 14:23:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B771332E5E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 436C5704F6 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A5CA86E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 09:23:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7PIlKy0wv1Fc for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1513A859 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 09:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 09:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 09:23:22 -0500 Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 436C5704F6 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.95), asn: 12021(-3.96), country: CA(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:23:25 -0000 On Mon, December 10, 2018 06:51, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Instead, set up your jails with ssh and ssh into each of them, > forwarding an X connection over SSH (which will typically set up thigs > like DISPLAY appropriately in the environment for you.) > I personally have never been able to get gvim to run over an ssh -X connection to a jail. When I asked about this on this list I recall being told that jails simply do not support X-windowing as a client. # ssh -Xt hll124 X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 Last login: Tue Dec 11 09:08:41 2018 from hll124 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Sep 27 08:16:24 UTC 2018 [root@hll124 ~]# gvim E233: cannot open display If there is a way to get gvim to run a local window over ssh from a remote jail then I would very much like to know how that is done. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 14:45:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F951333D97 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48AEC71175 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBBEjb0c079604 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:45:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca References: From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:45:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48AEC71175 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.66)[-0.658,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.895,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.498,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.02)[country: IT(0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:45:52 -0000 On 12/11/18 3:23 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > When I asked about this on this list I recall > being told that jails simply do not support X-windowing as a client. Don't know about gvim, but I'm sure this is completely wrong in general, as I'm doing this right now (and have been regularly doing it for some years). I run xterm, emacs, gnuplot, ... Do you have xauth installed in the jail? Does it work with "ssh -Y"? Anything in the logs? What about ssh_config and sshd_config? Is your jail local? I'm talking about jails on remote systems (as the OP did). Perhaps it's a limitation of *local* jails? I admin I never tried this... bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 14:49:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7821333F4D for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CBA1712DB for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1A0110219; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:49:33 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id F1A3311020A; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:49:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:49:32 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: freebsd or linux Message-ID: <20181211144932.GB42173@geeks.org> References: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CBA1712DB X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.73)[0.730,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.965,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: asg.geeks.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.96)[0.956,0]; IP_SCORE(0.72)[asn: 7753(3.67), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:49:41 -0000 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:51:31AM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Some things are curious though. The initial release date of NeXT is 1989 > (derived from 4.3BSD-Tahoe released in 1988) but I think that it still had > some AT&T code in it so you still had to obtain a license from AT&T to run > any form of BSD. So AT&T did license to NeXT in one form or another after > all ;-) I don't know the status of what NeXT may or may not have licensed. Back then, it was mostly the kernel that was the biggest concern, the userland (and other parts not developed at USL, such as the virtual memory system, TCP stack, file system, etc). wouldn't have concerned AT&T/USL as much. Since it wasn't the BSD kernel of 4.3BSD, I don't know. They probably were licensees just to cover their bases, which was common then. > The other curious thing and somewhat unrelated (or not?) is how close > 386BSD FreeBSD were to Linux (both in '91, FreeBSD actually '92). So if > only for a few months, Linux would probably not exist. But I wonder if the > whole Free Software-later-Open Source movement would have played out in > much the same way. Ironically, FreeBSD is more free than "Free Software" > per the FSF-GPL. Yes, Linux was famously quoted as that he wouldn't have started on Linux if BSD wasn't encumbered. He wasn't happy with Minix, and started off on his own.. The USL lawsuit most likely was the impetus to have Linux move forward quickly while the status of any BSD derived OS was in question until the USL lawsuite was resolved. I wouldn't compare the earliest dates they were made, it wasn't until 1993 or so that usable distributions of Linux became really popular (ie. SLS & Slackware), which was the middle of the USL lawsuit, which wasn't resolved until Feb 1994. BSDi probably would have moved forward quicker if not hampered by the USL lawsuit. Yes, things would have been quite different if the timing was any different. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 16:27:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642AB1336F87 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe44.google.com (mail-vs1-xe44.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B41F7F118 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe44.google.com with SMTP id v205so9242169vsc.3 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:27:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=66GHoddFVM7owCBDYh0SanFgA3LPp1NxTzE+oa5RiYQ=; b=CzxSYezk0ZaK45MvGcbvLDLdoSzAAV96iGskYGkkR5Q2xeymV0N3ZXFU/KpVkWjNK7 HIF6v6PG9PTTAT9yQpMj72Imauz805zHs2dTJ1x+ks8RyXxlFARc5VluHu4pRNAMXZuR B4tscHP1Xo1GP4nfMm+tR2G2gNCJm5yA1wG6RDqzM8UKuLV77KdLJfL6zbzyWUZa8Fgb QtTIae8bFh9dtUls0HQUt9segk5omuIF+8vBFQDMGYFROQ+2HmUYrNBvQ9EvSq92g5jJ E0BElHwfvO2WegqnWxEPePp5yfUBalcIEASMDOsHsRr2yQSLxqZjerYr2m3iSRMwiSwW nMZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=66GHoddFVM7owCBDYh0SanFgA3LPp1NxTzE+oa5RiYQ=; b=OJLZVnW5KFe+H1vUYNtgFYNXN7w2eRErvBxTm98T4+EWhGLj1HLaI9j5Gu6EOCseP4 Q4ZDtOcs1cJ+cgLIlKd/BO5Eh+re9KDZZhVK3XT11DeVazPUlbDm0OHOXyHOdkNY9OTk ax2lTkUM0X4HfXVAfyfoHy5UeYLUZC9bE2ufMslmgoo/dY0r+l9wvBtEBM8i2+XtLs0V ivpmJIN21UDnW9bSVQ+g3/0otn0+q5sGh/BX+lpVJ3/ZiFMCByD/tKQkfvPGM6A+f9wQ EGn9ILYGECEmMmgmShseUiDDsE4IlTtqdcSrLB4+C4zHVYc9GIifc1+uWxyrchOEZ3eS QZrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbR7DwhaNZ+pee6QTgXZVlgBZn05ttYMI4j6oZmKQrd3giES7RF QiEGErXtAUwMLhLHBkYxzMq9YVUFA57xdQoNSeUQbxRC X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WyLm54ZzhBNG0cHPVn0EBRCgWY50l05zPU5aTJ/f/z4McI2z1l0ywcp5xqUglzpoOiBfW8t+wojVLwxvbvTrE= X-Received: by 2002:a67:cf02:: with SMTP id y2mr7633525vsl.118.1544545664684; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:27:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> <20181211083449.2b0582960aad72bbed914ed0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20181211083449.2b0582960aad72bbed914ed0@sohara.org> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:27:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd or linux To: steve@sohara.org Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7B41F7F118 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=CzxSYezk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e44 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.191,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.17)[ip: (3.74), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:27:46 -0000 On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:36 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:51:31 -0500 > Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > But I wonder if the > > whole Free Software-later-Open Source movement would have played out in > > much the same way. Ironically, FreeBSD is more free than "Free Software" > > per the FSF-GPL. > > The GPL is older than Linux and the GNU software collection even > older (GNU Emacs dates to 1985, gcc to 1987, bash around the same time). I > had a GNU tape aroud 1988 which had GNU versions of most of the classic > unix tools including gcc and bash. By 1991 GNU was already a unix system in > search of a kernel. > > Yes, GNU is much older but was stalled and would not have gone anywhere without Linux, IMO anyway. Actually, Linux not only put GNU and GPL on the map, but it fundamentally changed the mindset of the Cathedral development into the Bazaar (borrowing the terms coined by ESR's musings), and also changed the corporate mindset into opening up, and brought to surface some fundamental issues in intellectual property (e.g. software patents), amongst many other things. FreeBSD still bears some of the Cathedral model but I wonder if Linus was actually truthful about 386BSD, and the story would have played out with FBSD, then would "Open Source" (per OSF definition) have evolved in much the same way? Maybe not, maybe the corporates would have stepped in way earlier because of the BSD license. Maybe Mozilla would have never happened, who knows. Anyway, my point is that the timing was so close that it's really curious. Call it collective subconsciousness, noospheric sewer, quantum entanglement (much like when Calculus was 'invented' simultaneously), or maybe it was just east vs. west coast bullshit (MIT vs. Berkley), or Linus' ego, plain and simple. LOL. In any case Jobs (or someone close to him) chose BSD, and IMHO they made a great choice. Best, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 16:32:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABD7133722C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B50C7F4E4 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08561D49F; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bx89uSt9aGYL; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCA691D494; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:05 -0500 Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice From: "James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> When I asked about this on this list I recall >> being told that jails simply do not support X-windowing as a client. > > Don't know about gvim, but I'm sure this is completely wrong in > general, > as I'm doing this right now (and have been regularly doing it for some > years). I run xterm, emacs, gnuplot, ... > > Do you have xauth installed in the jail? No. But I do now. > Does it work with "ssh -Y"? No. The error has changed however. [root@hll124 ~]# gvim X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > Anything in the logs? Not that I can see. nothing in messages, auth.log, security, userlog. > What about ssh_config and sshd_config? Both the client host and the jail have pretty much the same settings. # Local overrides AllowTcpForwarding yes Banner /etc/ssh/ssh_pre_logon.txt GatewayPorts yes IgnoreRhosts yes IgnoreUserKnownHosts no KeepAlive yes LoginGraceTime 60 PermitEmptyPasswords no PermitRootLogin without-password PrintMotd yes PubkeyAuthentication yes StrictModes yes ChallengeResponseAuthentication no MaxAuthTries 6 PasswordAuthentication yes Protocol 2 > > Is your jail local? I'm talking about jails on remote systems (as the > OP did). Perhaps it's a limitation of *local* jails? I admin I never > tried this... > The jail I am testing with runs as a jail on my desktop. I run ssh from a mate terminal that I have switched to root using 'su -m' before running 'ssh -Xt hll124'. However, I get exactly the same result if I connect over ssh from a mate terminal using my normal userid. $ ssh -X hll124 . . . $ gvim X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. E233: cannot open display I have also installed xauth and vim on a separate jail running on another host and achieve the same results. If there is some other step required then I would appreciate being told what I am missing. When I asked about this before this is what I was told: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2017-April/276842.html > This is the problem > E233: cannot open display > > gvim will not work if run in a jail. gvim uses x11 and x11 > needs kernel access to talk to the x11 display. Jails are > designed on purpose to deny kernel access to secure the host > system from attack. This is why you can never get a desktop > to run in a jail. The other authentication error messages > are bogus and can be ignored as misleading. > > This is also why gvin works when run on the host system. > > The bottom line here is that what your trying to run in a jail > will NEVER work. Ezjail has no baring on this problem, its a > design feature of jsil(8). -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions" , "Andrea Venturoli" Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice Message-Id: <20181211172803.213268336ab7d467a5bc86a7@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E962182175 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=bMlf/hK0; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.852,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.20)[ip: (-0.48), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.24), asn: 7381(-0.19), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:28:13 -0000 On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:32:05 -0500 "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" wrote: > No. The error has changed however. > > [root@hll124 ~]# gvim > > X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. I've been seeing this since 11.2, I posted about it in September when it stopped working after the upgrade from 11.1. > When I asked about this before this is what I was told: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2017-April/276842.html > > > This is the problem > > E233: cannot open display > > > > gvim will not work if run in a jail. gvim uses x11 and x11 > > needs kernel access to talk to the x11 display. Jails are That is complete and utter garbage. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 18:37:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83307130E02C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E68284F10 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id n12so9182794qkh.11 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:37:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pzNjw5cUmYSoJuPIIHcYgtGKvG9s0nyPXw2ddssihzs=; b=gl/PfudzdcKJ4CtJsAyasSdQjWEDSLwMZpVy3Pk7aLs9iITehwtL0n2d5gAhuwBVxa TBTrfjqvrjaEMrEK5PEEpfZ+IYM3WiUZe2oPQjFtJt51Gu2zd07mi/qXwM6BJu7rPEKg ge6m64bWyVhDzB4z9xTYYJG0elJCXys/vs2Hg3Tx6pPPBt4VVUt4TGv2RQVNZSbwosKk 1iSttfcgkIZqiRwTjiEnPHj55nJIfz3qXIevtnhlSSYexxcI87Mn4fMamTvEWXFguHwt BWND/Flo/d7Jg+ZDq38i2oUZG2zduu8ewWWUOA7DRZWiyldy206o9BWJwspTYCKzp08x jcVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=pzNjw5cUmYSoJuPIIHcYgtGKvG9s0nyPXw2ddssihzs=; b=r1K5HPhgDenk/dV7H3OubMVDZE95bqoPFVmACNX+GwSw+DQtdXs4XT7+K82JysR3Ir 6o+op38K8CRP5ZIhV/5gU0clVQ7fF8EGMwe0In/72Vrahph6AW3ZbEgCJ8oThnUbhGfH Rh+2wY12d9zyKdXDPL68NstpJ4XUFvIXFGypxUaKYO2qktJqgQxCj/3VH5QvNXnr3kOp Ln0R0p4HqVVyoLhUbg/45ssOxVztiF2HKEqG2UEIAvfkVWBgLG/OcmASL3ZFU++Yc2X7 zE7IkdYXnDahb3VDfUvi2x/YhtB/XJeatUtgxuffRFDrV3gRwOXKUvPKmE4yPrXjgimn jJDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaYXiO7bD99ZQ62RK93x+d9LIKZnqpV51sNiPJz10QDYbFzX4L9 g5vU9r5RkIpz9chMJhw/o1wzRKSAiEbX8oyOVGonBa1J X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Xnv2PY5s03vLPrtMP/Hr7lE6I91fEMMIR+0sxopMFqdtBUsYjk+tPx6aPBxxjypXNd6TFuv85jltzzLkVzgzs= X-Received: by 2002:a37:2881:: with SMTP id o1mr15783355qko.130.1544553466127; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HOWTO safely unmount remove USB zfs sdcard To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5E68284F10 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=gl/Pfudz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx2.googlemail.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx3.googlemail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.861,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-2.26)[ip: (-8.44), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:37:48 -0000 I've been holding back, but - why? Why abuse an SD card that way? My back-of-the-envelope estimate is that it halves the life of the card. - M On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 4:12 PM Russell L. Carter wrote= : > Greetings, > I can easily create a ZFS filesystem on a USB sdcard, > but I have not yet found the recipe for safely unmounting > it and then mounting it on another 12.0 FreeBSD system. --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 18:48:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086C7130E826 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9696385703 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.120] (helo=smtp12.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gWn4g-0005aW-CV; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:48:06 +0100 Received: from 5419f71f.cm-5-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=ra.boosten.org) by smtp12.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gWn4g-0008Rb-AA; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:48:06 +0100 Received: from anubis.egypt.nl (anubis.egypt.nl [192.168.13.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ra.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 347153432F38; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:48:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Peter Boosten X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:48:01 +0100 Cc: freebsd-questions Message-Id: <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=E/qzWpVl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=2ur7OfE09M0A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=iiPJHsPlw-C43MUCFLIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=2w6hk7r1atEC1ZaUyEsA:9 a=il-QagPA0zMTJA9o:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9696385703 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=neutral (mx1.freebsd.org: 212.54.34.165 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of peter@boosten.org) smtp.mailfrom=peter@boosten.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NEUTRAL(0.00)[?all]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[boosten.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[boosten.dyndns.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.54)[-0.537,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[165.34.54.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33915, ipnet:212.54.32.0/20, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: NL(0.01)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[31.247.25.84.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:48:16 -0000 > On 11 Dec 2018, at 17:32, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions = wrote: > [SNIP] > [root@hll124 ~]# gvim >=20 > X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > [SNIP] >> What about ssh_config and sshd_config? > Both the client host and the jail have pretty much the same settings. >=20 > # Local overrides > AllowTcpForwarding yes > Banner /etc/ssh/ssh_pre_logon.txt > GatewayPorts yes > IgnoreRhosts yes > IgnoreUserKnownHosts no > KeepAlive yes > LoginGraceTime 60 > PermitEmptyPasswords no > PermitRootLogin without-password > PrintMotd yes > PubkeyAuthentication yes > StrictModes yes > ChallengeResponseAuthentication no > MaxAuthTries 6 > PasswordAuthentication yes > Protocol 2 >=20 What=E2=80=99s the setting of X11UseLocalhost in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on = the jail? You should set it to =E2=80=98NO=E2=80=99, because jails and localhost = do not play together very nice. Peter= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 20:02:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F4413122CC for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 396E26ACB4 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id 5BBCD125CA; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:02:40 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1544558560; bh=RxyWZdw0foICNi9rhfUPJY4dVlIfDhrYJBNMBYuUEEg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=pIMTTMTQ9KkTT7gKHs02ULYjOlNqG/bc/7kNguugWSHmRz83CBLpaBT44eTnO9bgD Uy5qismRPD6749jDw9STX86p75HP1Yq8Y+pgBB2TPXwX1owpfdZzJdH7MGGwzHAqG+ fyVHUl/czuQYBIYjak7KwxnWpXAbpkWEpIP8LkTA= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on h2.n1.pinyon.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,URIBL_BLOCKED shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from [10.0.10.15] (h1.pinyon.org [65.101.20.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56AC9125BE for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:02:39 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pinyon.org; s=DKIM; t=1544558559; bh=RxyWZdw0foICNi9rhfUPJY4dVlIfDhrYJBNMBYuUEEg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FGz6JHOLGSDdDHmnIo4y9cjT3qKWwXqBdXksAfqvAeVUh7j2HCvjrngI5mOGzzV7Q f9W0PHfB0xCaRj7UGfW4nU+kRMd6sG3Be+/e8VKnlpkWD/AN2SoNoPVpUu0bBlq+9z B9bgTfASF9BnhoxfsmgjXG6iqIRQvxnaxOw+zhPQ= Subject: Re: HOWTO safely unmount remove USB zfs sdcard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <73851532-e5d3-50f2-0553-71369348d38d@pinyon.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:02:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 396E26ACB4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=DKIM header.b=pIMTTMTQ; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=DKIM header.b=FGz6JHOL; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org:s=DKIM]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[h2.pinyon.org,h1.pinyon.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ipnet: 65.100.0.0/14(-4.93), asn: 209(-0.16), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.100.0.0/14, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:02:46 -0000 On 12/11/18 11:37 AM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > I've been holding back, but - why? Why abuse an SD card that way? My > back-of-the-envelope estimate is that it halves the life of the card. A) Rescue a system. B) Refamiliarize myself with bringing up zfs pools and datasets. C) I have dozens of sdcards. It's been 12 months since I even touched one. D) Not least, learn how to attach/detach physical zfs drives. To really grasp the awfulness of my crime, consider that I only put about 100MB on a 64GB (nominal) sdcard. It's now back on the pile. I will try to empathize with my sdcard population more, I promise :-) Cheers, Russell > - M > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 4:12 PM Russell L. Carter wrote: > >> Greetings, >> I can easily create a ZFS filesystem on a USB sdcard, >> but I have not yet found the recipe for safely unmounting >> it and then mounting it on another 12.0 FreeBSD system. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 20:38:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9B71313888 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52D0B6C34F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C331D872; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:38:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O9-vmiHVoE3T; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 344761D867; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:38:20 -0500 Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Peter Boosten" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 52D0B6C34F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RBL_COMPOSITE_RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED_DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca,mx132.harte-lyne.ca]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.95), asn: 12021(-3.96), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:38:39 -0000 On Tue, December 11, 2018 13:48, Peter Boosten wrote: > > What’s the setting of X11UseLocalhost in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the > jail? [root@hll124 ~]# grep X11UseLocalhost /etc/ssh/sshd_config #X11UseLocalhost yes I am guessing that the default is YES which is why it is commented out. > You should set it to 'NO', because jails and localhost do not play > together very nice. > And volia! It works. Thank you. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 20:56:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB8C13142BE for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C6B76D0ED for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24E51D91A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gWMc2KTOl-i1 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDD7F1D90B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:56:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:56:11 -0500 Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice From: "James B. Byrne" To: "freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C6B76D0ED X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RBL_COMPOSITE_RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED_DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx32.harte-lyne.ca]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.78)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.95), asn: 12021(-3.96), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:56:17 -0000 Now that gvim is working inside a jail, a development for which I am truly grateful, I get an error that I do not see when I run gvim from the underlying host. [root@hll124 ~]# gvim /etc/ssh/sshd_config Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "hll124:10.0". [root@hll124 ~]# pkg info | grep randr libXrandr-1.5.1_2 X Resize and Rotate extension library xrandr-1.5.0 Primitive command line interface to the RandR extension What needs to be done on the jail (11.2-RELEASE-p4) to eliminate this error? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 08:07:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D071332156 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61C8777461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:07:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id WzYNgln20P088WzYQgyw09; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:07:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:07:35 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAJIyqc7cIn0sJb0b5qFV0rFUe6NrL69buZFa5XUu14NWsqMxqWU+J6xqRD1R/ZFXOgadJO9XuQGIksC4ynIBKMiwMn51zOSXFl6FtutVaYK4GldcNo1 ocbHbZGnZ90qUJLTgL9fTqZvAFxPCbq/tk7way6fJIsiNcAdGpXVZKWNtsXoX4sJcKvhtrxkp8UqBA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 61C8777461 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.43)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.92), asn: 7843(-3.14), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com,dnvrco-cmedge02.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.785,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:07:47 -0000 Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or 30 times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. What's the magic potion for that? Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 08:30:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CA01332AAA for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reneka10@yahoo.fr) Received: from sonic307-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic307-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 438F177E0A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reneka10@yahoo.fr) X-YMail-OSG: R3EWYg0VM1mRV.akm_jZlko80YOZQQF88SKAzgFpvYFoLThQRbOyqOnNO8hikjH 5kcsQRRRTNhdH.1Uuty21HSR7uR8Y_uvouDtFQDvvAE_iWPP4lkLhiRdmFPioScg9DWPiVx7uw4b 02kHKGZb6r5EIPUW1mJcxWbjzwHW5wb0Apuh65YM.6mtwiOc9lFxz6a8NmNoTP0jH56cHg6mlkNt d.RV_jeb7S.GhuHrn4aqSTOgbaJLVINnXLT7Job_ly4OzOOEliCm9tW1KwdiwMi0VJFZjkumZfJX rl9OxufMgVPBHEwG.JGo_BdVoaPfovyiWa22pkZr2FI1s4gmBpgGM30KeoTTIekZsvT1xtDpr85i CCsEI7s9YdxkbPMU0Dwn9ZXcdS5DlcUm7ytV6qCwo6Wuz9CpcA86WrXeVSOwhdrJj7UpJcx0NU07 Egy86jbdMrqxkQikSIYS52qPoJWLGES_RJSMfWLyGaUOH.EmsNHd9_c91Mirpwr7RPyeCSve4R6o o8sT4Sr.4675SgfLbH82vl1NMsIArGbBtgrV49UkiM.tkt_02AsrK1zrFqPS5T_MqX6FH.5ujqZ3 mz6QUvrtcEg06D_DMHgK24qPoxEqdvJuIzB.D4esJqayM5P_9IqZRRGhCSdLIu.xegeoLPpaHrL4 dz090OZLFcPEiuNZVwkISa4it0x4tYO6sOgR_brQxpX8_C2kwlSTd2a1z44GuuSNLSjU1MEPacwz cUnJTygWCvxkAse3FChgm1A6QhAWS1wCEOMfQyGBJdSLMaaDvdb8wpVn7SnuZwOWUkc3H638M2Mc dEE.22tAwFGISb._tPTb6n5cPt4i0MU_vdPoW5abR5vuupfzAeViCHgnPyHiPv85HNIron5bHtzV kn7TdrHoNGxDVbTTGyveNIq_rKr4xoiz8lJO7DUd3Eue_DhnzBO7Ri7peDKF7NaAetbiS80ov5jm W_mFSPeXWQzjFRtGKEh.I_4JUFrmdN.j1249Bag-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:30:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Shyaka Rene To: Krad , FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <1567453574.2860430.1544603442351@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12857 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 438F177E0A X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.fr:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.fr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.945,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.fr:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[41.134.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.37)[ip: (3.81), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.74), asn: 26101(1.39), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.fr,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.fr]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:30:50 -0000 Krad thanks for the link on proxmox but is for linux. my choice is FREEBSD= on all virtual machines and host machine (mature, great documentation and = for users who know what they are doing) and i prefer to control everything = i'm using instead of using third party tools. I have to choose between jail= s or full computer virtualization (which I don't want at this time). Thanks= again Le mardi 11 d=C3=A9cembre 2018 =C3=A0 22:59:42 UTC+2, James B. Byrne vi= a freebsd-questions a =C3=A9crit : =20 =20 Now that gvim is working inside a jail, a development for which I am truly grateful, I get an error that I do not see when I run gvim from the underlying host. [root@hll124 ~]# gvim /etc/ssh/sshd_config Xlib:=C2=A0 extension "RANDR" missing on display "hll124:10.0". 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Byrne=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mailt= o:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.harte-lyn= e.ca 9 Brockley Drive=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 vox: +1 90= 5 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fax: +1 905 561 = 0757 Canada=C2=A0 L8E 3C3 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 13:23:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB13130F3E6 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D549950D2 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544621000; x=1547213000; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=6y55oT6b4aihcMUAJlNxAaF1sJ+Mqvvq50CS0X8teUU=; b=RlHOz7WPUBxDNzYH/SfX+1QqUhosrxoi1+po3z6+ua+rjQ1IfcXVsAgz+x0iGnuaiUFjc+An43KyekaIW1Rkaj5y9ZDWj2Ilp+S9cZmmZ2Dgt6rSdGQHqU98hkI7deYlfHHJoC6YX4BlJ55CAp+EuwsDP5dHns3Cld9gYEdysTw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDIyMWYwMzQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:23:03 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:23:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gX4Tc-000HQ7-I1; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:23:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:23:00 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Peter Boosten Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: frebsd jails advice Message-Id: <20181212132300.950f49263d61e4cbac67c9f8@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> References: <109f3022fa5d61d76e455571461e30a1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <384E2084-FF12-40BA-8A8D-61F3037FB6CD@boosten.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D549950D2 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=RlHOz7WP; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.673,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.20)[ip: (-0.49), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.25), asn: 7381(-0.20), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:23:21 -0000 On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:48:01 +0100 Peter Boosten wrote: > What’s the setting of X11UseLocalhost in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the jail? > You should set it to ‘NO’, because jails and localhost do not play > together very nice. Thank you, that was my problem as well. Now my calibre server is back in jail. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 17:48:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A5C1316D82 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B77C6FE63 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (unknown [IPv6:2601:18a:c680:9888:84d7:b195:8e78:b033]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 335352E891F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:47:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1544636875; bh=AK7zRYMJ/Gs5ooG9iGvPZjqRYpdjgx76XmzVXcmsckg=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FGHtGj8Vri412caKiHAt1FiIYrxqDBs3GejsccH9C/JeWJw38mwSaKRvtC72skrH+39CLFm3DkYFsOQ7ibtFIOxPxKM27Z5jyXnVZvOJyaITd0nmXEiYNtbcZrY6tFoXD+k9WmwbR5lrZLbEjNBJx5YoBT0gB86SHxUQZKrhGT8= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0B77C6FE63 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=citrin.ru header.s=s0 header.b=FGHtGj8V; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=citrin.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of citrin@citrin.ru designates 2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=citrin@citrin.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[citrin.ru:s=s0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::0/96]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[citrin.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[citrin.ru,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.citrin.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.17)[ipnet: 2a01:4f8::/29(-3.32), asn: 24940(-2.52), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[bsd]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:48:02 -0000 On 12/12/18 3:07 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports without > rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? If you need to reinstall all ports, there is another option: 1. Create meat-ports which lists all applications you need to be installed: http://blog.shatow.net/posts/2013-07-21-managing-role-based-freebsd-servers-with-meta-packages-and-poudriere/ 2. Delete all packages (except sudo if you rely on it). 3. Install this metaport. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 18:49:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEDD1321273 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F001F72D9D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBCInBbB002965; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:49:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again To: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <150a91f0-f27b-9fab-157f-dccdebd33e21@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:49:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:49:13 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F001F72D9D X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.086,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.699,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:49:26 -0000 On 12/12/18 1:07 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? > > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or > 30 times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. > > What's the magic potion for that? If I understand the question, use the -R option. I typically rebuild ports using: portmaster --no-term-title -R categoryA/portA categoryB/portB I have not tried using -af, but I'm guessing the effect would be what you want. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 18:52:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD5E1321594 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:52:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E21447313D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id X9cagv8nqP088X9ceg3dkv; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:52:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:52:36 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFXY7WoMyeRUspowy/RQmr4sx1dse+kIQwrEC+HSgOkBDv0uIpK7kqnYnHsNKrO9ugEie2W8LXSLNlBn1l/cJgkUiDXab8N330PRmr8kzeF9GMZioeCn 9qT06/xudoLoXa5wmw40PuqkH7S1fvUrnEBZ/lrD+qHpAKzIkwFNT0iv+a9ws2s2vEHF76gyqoN7YA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E21447313D X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.39)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.82), asn: 7843(-3.06), country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.951,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[225.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:52:48 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 2:07:35 AM -0600 Paul Schmehl wrote: > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? > > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or 30 > times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. > > What's the magic potion for that? After reading through the man page, I thought that portmaster -Rfd would do the trick, but it didn't. ISTM that, when you're building every port on a box, you shouldn't need to build all the dependencies for every port, because they're all going to be built anyway. Rebuilding perl (for example) repeatedly, makes no sense at all. It would be nice if there were a --force-with-no-dependencies switch so that every port could be built once and once only. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 18:54:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1076B13216E3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69B6C73247 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id X9eVgvApNP088X9eYg3eyb; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:54:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:54:34 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Anton Yuzhaninov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: <3CF06A7F4B51BA863DE526B6@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKDMUFgHl3A+6tzbINWI8UdJgfTCMCtP6556G3b8k8g22DWuWavuYeRy+afV6+TGF/+prp2YWa6t0eMkIj4kbahsdVSyUHoZCl2wQKAJW5Dd5qNWhv80 oydExEz8i4vRV3a3qOkB1kVxRBLUKaFjmrwX7cqZgdzV60CWR2DBWtRNB61jzUURmeKMSkTHnpStMx6ltkfDunSfaQ+D7itN8O8qeZyb/4pgHqeqCMFMRrui X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 69B6C73247 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[bsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[232.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.975,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-1.42)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.89), asn: 7843(-3.11), country: US(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:54:41 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 12:47:53 PM -0500 Anton Yuzhaninov wrote: > On 12/12/18 3:07 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports >> without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? > > If you need to reinstall all ports, there is another option: > > 1. Create meat-ports which lists all applications you need to be > installed: > http://blog.shatow.net/posts/2013-07-21-managing-role-based-freebsd-serve > rs-with-meta-packages-and-poudriere/ > > 2. Delete all packages (except sudo if you rely on it). > > 3. Install this metaport. That would be nice, if I had a box to build it on. I have to internet-facing servers, and the ports have to be built on those boxes. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 19:42:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D1E1323183 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEE4075543 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MrhLu-1hBynk3lfY-00nibI; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:41:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:41:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rxI88jJl4SEuJ0GkN08dJdDLE2bqtvMFpVQ35fOGW6H9c8G7GNL ZxWuQ+NSrmkBX7DHcDfuMX+/3sEdtX4XpN+yA5Z7VHuzlEL/qOHCOuTODj/1WfZ/H0yKT8K HK5pTgkwEwO7cmvCumzSCn2ncySAOgMxfwBlastrH9HdSfq/K6x6Vfuaikyvch9Aw8NsYN3 FvuZbIrm6s9rnSUMi2usg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ImN88qMx+Ug=:3g52wCiw0+0A7PZMrL3aII b69ZG+K7ciLwTESmwGmFiQXj4puv/tZVBgAm3nHnUM7Y9HEN/CQS2JmMS1cyPCMzlYkDWJLK6 v4pyd8a2wn0yl1l1Ow7rxx3o+7O/nyFI6vWqy7fmBCeVByEi+bYHDiTsmLecOomzU7rcxNy2/ 8dsysu2T0WxlZ078coXcKXJ5VZzT+Bl5gmiivCLpkbESoDAjBpaIYP8etlYz6sZi0AvPr6Mvn 99H+atP4HOHowvK2SRunakZcqDViOVSLuOR/e8h505swq2cy8UIa7jVajpz75drtAM5DFZmV8 XXqDrZb6ZqZLfsOoFPf5ITCBcUQHsDJkKpyEo+Jiop/GjhkT6SlwU1K8d264suYohjqt0GhFn uIaKve3m4e99/9QN2LY7GlCvuigiiptanpbpD5+yEU57N8vfLql16AyfTS1Wcohf9iVA5mB9+ s5rKImFuKXiT6YrvaKlwVFU3KO8b1YYtzE9FNi80n+SiDh+GERhvpsE1fWU00Z+BJhR3abNDE d5L95IffdLQJ6vw0ZhIhHXCAk1fzDUte1ACSVzZEgKFGcxPD1nrJbN4o0iNfKTNS5AylqUDMl yo1G7Q7OrcwCCohK9JRsSht+aE4T3synjq+uE1Z73v+kC0jaS+i/mR/W7Lweh94EBjda6DHLK NPGphM9GdH4fEzPGwUQiAT8QeGopD26PDwUaqhkQaAZwuOfdSuyjndjipHxVKzA8TsmKvQXHa 6wMTHLfmOZWNLIuziACaS1fdidXMtUzCjH0JRsGcOm2FOiqY6+3/xjW6dqA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DEE4075543 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.73 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.401,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.892,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.04)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.32), asn: 8560(-0.09), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:42:07 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:52:36 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 12, 2018 at 2:07:35 AM -0600 Paul Schmehl > wrote: > > > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports > > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? > > > > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every > > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or 30 > > times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild > > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since > > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. > > > > What's the magic potion for that? > > After reading through the man page, I thought that portmaster -Rfd would do > the trick, but it didn't. > > ISTM that, when you're building every port on a box, you shouldn't need to > build all the dependencies for every port, because they're all going to be > built anyway. Rebuilding perl (for example) repeatedly, makes no sense at > all. It would be nice if there were a --force-with-no-dependencies switch > so that every port could be built once and once only. Maybe I'm thinking into the wrong direction, but how about the following thoughts? The task of building is different from the task of installing. If you run each build task separatedly, both depencency trees (build dependencies + runtime dependencies) need to be resolved from scratch. For normal usage, and taking your perl example, the following situation would be present: 1. port "foo" requires perl as a build dependency 2. port "perl" is installed and can then be used 3. port "foo" is built, using the just installed perl 4. port "bar" requires perl as a build dependency 5. port "bar" is build, using the already installed perl (and perl is not built again) It should work the same with runtime dependencies. This thought experiment includes the assumtion that the correct _versions_ of perl are always the same. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 19:55:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924B91323604 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFF8D75D09 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id XAazgFimusismXAb4gLIgo; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:55:01 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Polytropon cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDdNcoX+rf+cOoxhUDGINjGDjI/brxoqBGdPjinn5BVF+Io6Xf65NjkXt79y3oAba6+eghfpzoN5flZXy5T87hQHLjus4mZcXEh7/IjwHJDcpWAHfPLM j0LM6hFfG2eB2gj4nl2Lua7eTrnuuqeiYUEo75WRwSfcdmBWoBU0ZTvx1Utm0reCqUYA6xPjugoInclwtVXHNIhWCRAcscfFv0l3bKEVX5AGcq1/gkkB8UUx X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AFF8D75D09 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.975,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.44)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.94), asn: 7843(-3.15), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:09 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:52:36 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On December 12, 2018 at 2:07:35 AM -0600 Paul Schmehl >> wrote: >> >> > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports >> > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? >> > >> > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every >> > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or 30 >> > times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild >> > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since >> > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. >> > >> > What's the magic potion for that? >> >> After reading through the man page, I thought that portmaster -Rfd would >> do the trick, but it didn't. >> >> ISTM that, when you're building every port on a box, you shouldn't need >> to build all the dependencies for every port, because they're all going >> to be built anyway. Rebuilding perl (for example) repeatedly, makes no >> sense at all. It would be nice if there were a >> --force-with-no-dependencies switch so that every port could be built >> once and once only. > > Maybe I'm thinking into the wrong direction, but how about > the following thoughts? > > The task of building is different from the task of installing. > If you run each build task separatedly, both depencency trees > (build dependencies + runtime dependencies) need to be resolved > from scratch. > > For normal usage, and taking your perl example, the following > situation would be present: > > 1. port "foo" requires perl as a build dependency > > 2. port "perl" is installed and can then be used > > 3. port "foo" is built, using the just installed perl > > 4. port "bar" requires perl as a build dependency > > 5. port "bar" is build, using the already installed perl > (and perl is not built again) > > It should work the same with runtime dependencies. This thought > experiment includes the assumtion that the correct _versions_ of > perl are always the same. ;-) It should, but it doesn't seem to. I found this near the end of the man page. I believe I'll try this next time. Using portmaster to do a complete reinstallation of all ports: 1. portmaster --list-origins > ~/installed-port-list 2. Update the ports tree 3. portmaster -ty --clean-distfiles 4. portmaster -Faf 5. pkg delete -afy 6. rm -rf /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg 7. Back up any files in /usr/local you wish to save, such as configuration files in /usr/local/etc 8. Manually check /usr/local and /var/db/pkg to make sure that they are really empty 9. Install ports-mgmt/pkg and then ports-mgmt/portmaster. Remove both from ~/installed-port-list. 10. portmaster --no-confirm `cat ~/installed-port-list` Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 19:55:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CFC132361D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C8775D0F for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id XAb8gIAjwWnTiXAbBgR7iG; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:55:09 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: <65A1A57543E82F5253099D1A@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> In-Reply-To: <150a91f0-f27b-9fab-157f-dccdebd33e21@dreamchaser.org> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <150a91f0-f27b-9fab-157f-dccdebd33e21@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLnM5BtqIKIcIhTnCGQDtFBUFWFnU8UXJ1DTXOQgsWI5eNT4tk7fzPl1K+Q7QSqzsl/CCJmHePQiVvrxf7iAWxS3gZpi77cOXhPK2vY/gXrm18QiAeZM D4PyXD6MkEy7jSimdgaic9FzuAD9RWukzZV+x5KkBsG3zjIFvnaeBSppeMOGtNaB3sbOCiqRWtOkwxybE3z33dPz0e4k4mCG3QavTSNNfiq+PK2mkCs9rf1Y X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 88C8775D0F X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.45)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-3.99), asn: 7843(-3.19), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:55:16 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 11:49:00 AM -0700 Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/12/18 1:07 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports >> without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? >> >> I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every >> dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or >> 30 times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild >> everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since >> they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. >> >> What's the magic potion for that? > > If I understand the question, use the -R option. > I typically rebuild ports using: > portmaster --no-term-title -R categoryA/portA categoryB/portB > > I have not tried using -af, but I'm guessing the effect would be what you > want. > The recommendation in the Handbook for updating over major versions using freebsd-update is to update all ports and then run freebsd-update install one last time. I tried portmaster -Rafd, but I'm still seeing perl and python being rebuilt repeatedly, and with some ports, a long list of dependencies are being built. It sure seems the -R option should do the trick, especially because the man page specifically states that, but it doesn't seem to be working that way. "-R used with the -r or -f options to skip ports updated on a previous run. When used with -r it will also prevent the rebuild of the parent port if it, and all of its dependencies are up to date." Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 20:47:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62C21325245 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E6BD80211 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MGA0o-1geqOF3iF2-00GahI; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:47:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:47:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:IcD746vj6qNyd6VFG0v8997Ut7JrSdUHVeKLkIhg13frvI5zxXP Ui3onEOR9S/15E/P/YELd1KodSaaK2IRedNfgy+bF98j7GpzJXIZC0GezsW+2aLw1NFt0qw MeorwtZdNr3V9Jb1XErq2P0IcMLVQoT7zvYx3nJthxYWkS0xltxyRv/qqMeZPuCSNXgbqPw e9MGm3Y7oDqsB5ZMwMzKQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LPj0QO3DSzU=:tESju52/q9/5qYnT3zMF5i USKy3T55sppQDkKwJs7lSsbrsxYuvNBS/xuPqfvalugGWY0a2QT78SjWTaGoXXyNoixgTD2Fe 02+YsEWtCtNWynQjmE3ysRzmBtEvuY+GA9+bEF9unsPsSKBmd4TIieSMPetHw6k7eP7sLDqH4 XFH5Sf3TQWveSBtgh0iS/OdDiritWVstTkfxV6j0azTnLlRQzL7+JeRvq0xj6t8UxdlTeULmJ +iuSATSkIWT67UPdhhm/B7p74yW4w3YzJ0mLSLz9daOfsJEH7R85a6OtdDqw/yp1fv+cWPuPa 1LVgoFwe5pEWWxEMztcvKrmiw4CcA8V8qr/QcZPD3OtBIWlshAvBMNNOlrtOjKzjdo547EFbT zw54KJKYM5/nDHJ98N2H0OW3hNwj4pFxZUhKMRDuVNknz2Xa8oUf4Mtwbt+kzqwoHEKchqUrd zc9O7GIudeQOZZqZ0ce6wfRwwlPFBxqlV2nSSat1k+NDLnALEs6zGYDReycA0ZKThR52lcWXj afGAP5jQHgSkIuNYKIduQnofRS08oQrZ45JV1qLRSdIZKHGRW8MiE6QVKKw0bZ+2ZiBz3MYYB hFHHnB7d0C2hI3VA8/35tq8qXf1Yj2QZ73e5cAn0EX6eCvcVlB0/3CbtcA9M5TP2dPt7eYj9b eUmHQm/ifWNyrHAFdZsHWJs04/Gk3BpFGLFWJuZYDEU9CeDx3en2fOol3kzek7qI9tBf8jmwk as/7O7XEqt6lHlvsX+bLP2KODXeECdpuSjt/CCVv27MpdM6/C8WHH/Kw65U= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8E6BD80211 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.94 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.05)[0.051,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.63)[0.626,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.13)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.54), asn: 8560(-0.09), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:47:29 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:55:01 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 12, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM +0100 Polytropon > wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:52:36 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > >> --On December 12, 2018 at 2:07:35 AM -0600 Paul Schmehl > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports > >> > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? > >> > > >> > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every > >> > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or 30 > >> > times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild > >> > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since > >> > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. > >> > > >> > What's the magic potion for that? > >> > >> After reading through the man page, I thought that portmaster -Rfd would > >> do the trick, but it didn't. > >> > >> ISTM that, when you're building every port on a box, you shouldn't need > >> to build all the dependencies for every port, because they're all going > >> to be built anyway. Rebuilding perl (for example) repeatedly, makes no > >> sense at all. It would be nice if there were a > >> --force-with-no-dependencies switch so that every port could be built > >> once and once only. > > > > Maybe I'm thinking into the wrong direction, but how about > > the following thoughts? > > > > The task of building is different from the task of installing. > > If you run each build task separatedly, both depencency trees > > (build dependencies + runtime dependencies) need to be resolved > > from scratch. > > > > For normal usage, and taking your perl example, the following > > situation would be present: > > > > 1. port "foo" requires perl as a build dependency > > > > 2. port "perl" is installed and can then be used > > > > 3. port "foo" is built, using the just installed perl > > > > 4. port "bar" requires perl as a build dependency > > > > 5. port "bar" is build, using the already installed perl > > (and perl is not built again) > > > > It should work the same with runtime dependencies. This thought > > experiment includes the assumtion that the correct _versions_ of > > perl are always the same. ;-) > > It should, but it doesn't seem to. > > I found this near the end of the man page. I believe I'll try this next > time. > > Using portmaster to do a complete reinstallation of all ports: > 1. portmaster --list-origins > ~/installed-port-list > 2. Update the ports tree > 3. portmaster -ty --clean-distfiles > 4. portmaster -Faf > 5. pkg delete -afy > 6. rm -rf /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg > 7. Back up any files in /usr/local you wish to save, > such as configuration files in /usr/local/etc > 8. Manually check /usr/local and /var/db/pkg > to make sure that they are really empty > 9. Install ports-mgmt/pkg and then ports-mgmt/portmaster. > Remove both from ~/installed-port-list. > 10. portmaster --no-confirm `cat ~/installed-port-list` This instruction contains one little thing that _might_ be a problem, or at least a nuisance: Let's say your installation contains a port "foo" which requires the dependency "bar". Step 1 will add "foo" and "bar" to your ports list. After the ports tree update in step 2, a newer version of "foo" is described, and it no longer requires "bar". Step 10 will use the list from step 1, and in addition to "foo" (the program you want to use), it will also install its dependency "bar" (which you have absolutely no interest in). In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So first, your list is much more readable (as it will only contain the software you are interested in, and nothing of the software you might need to build or run them), and second, your list will be much more portable and also deal with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem described above. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 21:42:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391A81326EAA for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F11682854 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBCLgAlA003479; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again To: Polytropon , Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:42:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:42:11 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0F11682854 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.80)[ip: (-7.32), ipnet: 66.109.128.0/19(-3.66), asn: 21947(-2.93), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:42:20 -0000 On 12/12/18 1:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: > In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own > "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or > at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). > In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually > want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, > simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So > first, your list is much more readable (as it will only > contain the software you are interested in, and nothing > of the software you might need to build or run them), and > second, your list will be much more portable and also deal > with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem > described above. That is the way I've done it in the past, using -R -d, and doing so does not rebuild dependencies. I suspect the problem has something to do with -a. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 22:02:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D506132784E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.d2ux.org (d2ux.org [148.251.193.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE79B83ADE for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D01C6E550 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:02:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at petermann-it.de Received: from mail.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail (new.petermann-it.de [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XIMb5tx-I2RO for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:02:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.187] (p5B2F3726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.47.55.38]) by mail.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C21376E53D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:02:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: /sbin/dump: instant exit in case of disk full (instead of prompting for next volume) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6116a4e5-34d1-3823-dd5e-28c784083cf2@petermann-it.de> <20181207092858.101f83be.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Matthias Petermann Message-ID: <6f5bba74-431c-29ce-1459-c8f5a3053fec@petermann-it.de> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:02:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181207092858.101f83be.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BE79B83ADE X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of matthias@petermann-it.de designates 148.251.193.221 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=matthias@petermann-it.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:148.251.193.221/32]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[petermann-it.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.petermann-it.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.65)[ip: (-8.08), ipnet: 148.251.0.0/16(-2.64), asn: 24940(-2.52), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:148.251.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:02:32 -0000 Hi, On 07.12.18 09:28, Polytropon wrote: > However, you could modify the dump program to exit with a > specific error code if "disk is full" should be reached. My first take on that was that I implemented some kind of auto-reply switch and modified the query() method in optr.c. Anyway - what I found there was already the solution for my root problem that I did not want dump to wait for user input while started from cron: int query(const char *question, int defaultreply) { char replybuffer[64]; int back, errcount; FILE *mytty; if ((mytty = fopen(_PATH_TTY, "r")) == NULL) quit("fopen on %s fails: %s\n", _PATH_TTY, strerror(errno)); I'm sorry that I did not do this kind of test earlier. If there is no controlling terminal, all attempts of dump to interact with the user will lead to exit with status code 3. This is enough for me at the moment, but I still am in favor of having an explicit return code in case the disk is full. When I find some time I will look how this could be implemented properly. Kind regards, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann | www.petermann-it.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 23:12:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71F31329751 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA835869F4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id XDg9gzPPLP088XDgCg6GDe; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:12:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:12:33 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: Polytropon cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHLLX0N/4OtkXdPYu1YzI9zm2dmbxp1jjTWivcPh3DUNDwtE2gpZE5RzsXyyLJU7iezNcIodwk97RBOLnw+0WuvgDl5z1+NbvnTCbkk1J0t9imeOTiWw +6666WP5myBZ61aMDbJyYX0pqCHEOgBYeIsHHEpqsYNvBtSz3ZdE/1qcsOUZERQUVA1tbsQW5LLc8ZmesAumfbYRNdhYHr/m4eXBR0xLbct8XWuqGm6KuvTA X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DA835869F4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[229.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.47)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-4.04), asn: 7843(-3.23), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:12:39 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 9:47:14 PM +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:55:01 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On December 12, 2018 at 8:41:51 PM +0100 Polytropon >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:52:36 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> >> --On December 12, 2018 at 2:07:35 AM -0600 Paul Schmehl >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Is there a way, using portmaster, to force the rebuild of all ports >> >> > without rebuilding the same ports over and over and over again? >> >> > >> >> > I've noticed that using portmaster -f forces the rebuild of every >> >> > dependency. I think I've now rebuild perl and python at least 20 or >> >> > 30 times. Once should be enough. I guess if you're going to rebuild >> >> > everything, it would be ok to ignore dependencies for ports, since >> >> > they're all going to be rebuilt anyway. >> >> > >> >> > What's the magic potion for that? >> >> >> >> After reading through the man page, I thought that portmaster -Rfd >> >> would do the trick, but it didn't. >> >> >> >> ISTM that, when you're building every port on a box, you shouldn't >> >> need to build all the dependencies for every port, because they're >> >> all going to be built anyway. Rebuilding perl (for example) >> >> repeatedly, makes no sense at all. It would be nice if there were a >> >> --force-with-no-dependencies switch so that every port could be built >> >> once and once only. >> > >> > Maybe I'm thinking into the wrong direction, but how about >> > the following thoughts? >> > >> > The task of building is different from the task of installing. >> > If you run each build task separatedly, both depencency trees >> > (build dependencies + runtime dependencies) need to be resolved >> > from scratch. >> > >> > For normal usage, and taking your perl example, the following >> > situation would be present: >> > >> > 1. port "foo" requires perl as a build dependency >> > >> > 2. port "perl" is installed and can then be used >> > >> > 3. port "foo" is built, using the just installed perl >> > >> > 4. port "bar" requires perl as a build dependency >> > >> > 5. port "bar" is build, using the already installed perl >> > (and perl is not built again) >> > >> > It should work the same with runtime dependencies. This thought >> > experiment includes the assumtion that the correct _versions_ of >> > perl are always the same. ;-) >> >> It should, but it doesn't seem to. >> >> I found this near the end of the man page. I believe I'll try this next >> time. >> >> Using portmaster to do a complete reinstallation of all ports: >> 1. portmaster --list-origins > ~/installed-port-list >> 2. Update the ports tree >> 3. portmaster -ty --clean-distfiles >> 4. portmaster -Faf >> 5. pkg delete -afy >> 6. rm -rf /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg >> 7. Back up any files in /usr/local you wish to save, >> such as configuration files in /usr/local/etc >> 8. Manually check /usr/local and /var/db/pkg >> to make sure that they are really empty >> 9. Install ports-mgmt/pkg and then ports-mgmt/portmaster. >> Remove both from ~/installed-port-list. >> 10. portmaster --no-confirm `cat ~/installed-port-list` > > This instruction contains one little thing that _might_ be a > problem, or at least a nuisance: > > Let's say your installation contains a port "foo" which > requires the dependency "bar". Step 1 will add "foo" and > "bar" to your ports list. After the ports tree update in > step 2, a newer version of "foo" is described, and it no > longer requires "bar". Step 10 will use the list from > step 1, and in addition to "foo" (the program you want > to use), it will also install its dependency "bar" (which > you have absolutely no interest in). > > In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own > "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or > at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). > In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually > want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, > simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So > first, your list is much more readable (as it will only > contain the software you are interested in, and nothing > of the software you might need to build or run them), and > second, your list will be much more portable and also deal > with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem > described above. In general, I agree with you, but there are ports that get installed that I forget about but are needed. For example, the server I'm working on right now uses apache, squirrelmail, postfix, courier-imap, and mailman. Obviously, I would install those right away, because I know they're needed. But what if I installed something else, that I don't remember (like saslauthd), but is needed for some functionality that is not a dependency selected by options? For example, I run a forum on a webserver that is not a port, but it requires some ports to be installed for it to work properly. I would immediately remember that mysql needs to be installed, but maybe I would forget about ImageMagik or p5-Net-DNS. The generated installed ports list will catch all that and save me having to remember every necessary port. That way I don't end up chasing my tail trying to figure out why some minor functionality that I didn't even notice no longer worked until someone complained is no longer working. Then I end up having to read logs, documentation, scratch my head and go, Oh, that's right. I need to install p5-Net-DNS for that. Real life is never as straightforward as I'd like it to be, and my memory isn't what it once was. Paul Schmehl, Retired ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 23:14:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4816913297E7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CAD286A82 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id XDhtgJ0TXsismXDhygNKPY; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:14:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:14:21 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl Reply-To: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJkiX0h6PLg0zQqjdpCclPAtMZUtBLLWzusmaVK86dXJp4cy8LpOzu8feusydhZlzb3FV3Nvy5xRwvqvuxQSDe5dmSvv0iu+dSQOWBllWHTt+AygkrP/ EES6+26TX7TWFYmiOPE+ULaYKkaYGm4rgtO4ShZq5yCBdCN4eCesc56AHKBU/EjiUJU4alr9au58MwiIxl2p3eVFeOud2DTsl6TypgErcV3lyjZIq0YUkikc X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8CAD286A82 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 107.14.73.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.14.73.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: dnvrco-cmedge01.email.rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[231.73.14.107.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.49)[ipnet: 107.14.73.0/24(-4.08), asn: 7843(-3.26), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7843, ipnet:107.14.73.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:14:29 -0000 --On December 12, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM -0700 Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/12/18 1:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >> In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own >> "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or >> at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). >> In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually >> want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, >> simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So >> first, your list is much more readable (as it will only >> contain the software you are interested in, and nothing >> of the software you might need to build or run them), and >> second, your list will be much more portable and also deal >> with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem >> described above. > > That is the way I've done it in the past, using -R -d, and doing so > does not rebuild dependencies. I suspect the problem has something > to do with -a. > Well, you kind of need that if you're going to rebuild all ports. Paul Schmehl, Retired As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 12 23:15:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF3C1329851 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4967086AF3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Md6dH-1h6YVs13AJ-00aEfs; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 00:09:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 00:09:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181213000920.a59bfcc4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hegVZaw7xWkCFmpGjZ/z/nDMxx54IgOfx7jpD1BQWj1bnCEWQME gGDZqPFo35gi7AJ3GBrpQxeZY1aWY+QpI8gkhZTaq9yC3hrOWSkcfufFVvz+CBJSJaCzvZT DBumwXWVFiDDS5NnU0DKdV+dh8nKeIhMPXo25Laxt6DqOzgcc3UsaVeAggs6D3DXgrU19ik ZTQvnsgd3SvNuw7LAsbfQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:78sPxlaBOZY=:VQSP1DmErEMX9DXlW8osli CHZPrPWR3BDQlAWMrgD9TZL/sleJR+Fa0ED7eaCNuroINMRCH4bIkvoyH32u/aO8oWbFrW+xg 8PmOoTS+rJITh/g30zuD/SWHSVHI4mbSyBOGGg3xEnwAfwq75v07aD5VEb8+T8+uydKLxgz9Q +PE13ZnF4/kir3T3A3zJWj7sOehpp8bJbEoaQAy8Q7lHjkZQZVsTPoNqoOPGBxpqdysdU9gEK H6n3EQJ2YYxmcKptAK/bBZLSjy0s/1zhB3DvdYGi9FCFqtEWMe5D8EEeV9K/lI8CgknxHIifa g3Jk8LPCIliRoxH/m+B1HTAO0XQh8XYfqRl/fLuCKNTHtuzye5nPZW9pLkQZ7zEkwQgdwgdup Zma0xH2gCmePE36U96IXjYFpE3zrm1Y5RRXYk9A/qZG55vpv2brS6QrSJGTN8WCWX2YP/0QrZ wrH93mkv+4dRD+mJF6402AyPk4rM5ijZG7+btWPI+GS77iSNtmVhuy7tTkeeIiljpYxzJ4eHq UIPqTAvQaE4g4uXtakHVgt8iKvIumxeSjtJSRTVYlJThoeuB33m4QbuYoGaGFvRRA2JwqQWFr anTM0X3bDzdDuVw85ca0LWaWDkrzRrR/4saSSiPay7tULZuXpGk211B06zQGMJyp3T9e+/ohW qNzs0rQd4yueb8dYA/f5o3l0T+Xr8U9dIwrZaJTOBcyzN1mG0OGWLQKd2yq45ZecBsXau7DU4 PYVe1Ek20OCyJqlN8GyFDdAgxwll9Q51fFvV9xg0zswn6HJ+f03VK8Ts2C8= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4967086AF3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.427,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.494,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.13)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.53), asn: 8560(-0.09), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:15:01 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:42:00 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/12/18 1:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own > > "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or > > at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). > > In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually > > want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, > > simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So > > first, your list is much more readable (as it will only > > contain the software you are interested in, and nothing > > of the software you might need to build or run them), and > > second, your list will be much more portable and also deal > > with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem > > described above. > > That is the way I've done it in the past, using -R -d, and doing so > does not rebuild dependencies. I suspect the problem has something > to do with -a. Yes, I think this is correct. The list of all (!) installed ports, in combination with -a, will result into rebuilding everything, no matter if it is still needed (as a dependency); it implicitely "promotes" all items in the generated list to a "top port" (to stay with the naming mentioned above), as there is no real distinction between "is a top port" and "is just a dependency for something more important". As I said, it doesn't matter in most cases, but on the other hand, would you want to have something installed that you are not going to use at all? ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 13 05:52:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2777130A427 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 05:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0F746F1D7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 05:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBD5qVrq005123; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again To: Paul Schmehl Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:33 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B0F746F1D7 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.94)[ip: (-7.69), ipnet: 66.109.128.0/19(-3.85), asn: 21947(-3.08), country: US(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 05:52:36 -0000 On 12/12/18 4:14 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 12, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM -0700 Gary Aitken wrote: > >> On 12/12/18 1:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own >>> "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or >>> at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). >>> In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually >>> want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, >>> simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So >>> first, your list is much more readable (as it will only >>> contain the software you are interested in, and nothing >>> of the software you might need to build or run them), and >>> second, your list will be much more portable and also deal >>> with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem >>> described above. >> >> That is the way I've done it in the past, using -R -d, and doing so >> does not rebuild dependencies.  I suspect the problem has something >> to do with -a. >> > Well, you kind of need that if you're going to rebuild all ports. No, you don't. All you need are the top level ports. Right now I have 800 ports installed. To get those, I only install 36. I agree it's a bit of a hassle to keep track of what you need. On the other hand, it seems a bit lame to not know why you have the things you have installed actually installed. Keeping track is a good idea, as it forces you to review what you have installed and why; I find I quit installing some things after a while. I may no longer be working on a project that requires some stuff, for example. Or some things may be installed to overcome a particular one-time or seldom-encountered problem. I had three or four different pdf viewers installed at one time. I only use one of them in general. The others were each installed for a specific purpose when the one I generally use was inadequate. But when I upgrade I only install the one I normally use. If at some point I actually need the others, I'll install them. The same goes for various audio programs. Keeping track also (unfortunately?), means you sometimes can cut down the top level list, as higher-level ports tend to drag in more stuff over the years. e.g. I used to have to install cups and three or four other things, but (in my case) they come in automatically now. What I find particularly difficult, however, is keeping track of options. Some ports have NLS by default, some have EXAMPLES by default, some have various GUI options by default. NLS is fairly easy to get rid of, but the gui options are not. And the 5 word hint in the options dialog is usually totally inadequate to determine if you want (or need) the option enabled. It would be really helpful if there was a button you could hit to give you more detailed info about what each option is for; kind of a pkg-descr for the option, explaining when you want it and when you don't. 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REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[outlook.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:50:05 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700, Gary Aitken stated: > >What I find particularly difficult, however, is keeping track of options. >Some ports have NLS by default, some have EXAMPLES by default, some have >various GUI options by default. NLS is fairly easy to get rid of, but >the gui options are not. And the 5 word hint in the options dialog is >usually totally inadequate to determine if you want (or need) the option >enabled. It would be really helpful if there was a button you could hit >to give you more detailed info about what each option is for; kind of a >pkg-descr for the option, explaining when you want it and when you don't. > +1 --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 13 18:17:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE093132F32F for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F26666BC6A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N1feo-1hZCtt3Ar2-011x3C; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:11:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:11:35 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181213191135.961db2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:dkJcaovJH9fIZEoAVhaI1ZC4k0l4/kAimyvHt1OSGjnecEIUVIy 4vqYsM5zxL/JuXc9gOpZyU7nDiX9w1Fmyv1qki3sRRJ/2PjTeNhdw8Q7XpbkP7qQJcDbZoO tcc6cnrn/UWkr3/j5vOfgqEcjnzbc84AD1fI0qqBfkv4VRvepWbvLtzi91iTv0cgP1tHlRM OBF8vHJIIGLUHs6bvON7g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IvnBzvz2ZfM=:V1ai38EZvhGy4iz22wwynW h2n4u/71BZnGRtHf/06UKef8gNpIwT2LlzrkYP5s9HoY7B6+6n5+/A3BmOiEMAovrGYn9f6sO x86AEfrNFglDO+hQn9zgAwNWbLMq+5vEytBPXcVWIXa9r3U4XkNVff0C1iXyixjOKHAt4w9f1 sWHMjdfR9RedK2B3pjXAJQMNIL7mpPaHHqfH3HsyW8qFuXHBCn0ZhFADDpa1d1HCL2xSAZ8vI ZM7AjimbXWQClRgziuP8ffpu6rKY9GFsZoEPLl/aSvq6gnuuYhaFD2U4NvBDFBf8Tg0Tc5ZNP yrJKHAaXZeLYEk2HBFlvBqmTg/HkzXiUo1dt7afsuwanQ++5kXESWGCv5mPGCs+fH9ajSkG5r XbQq3bUU5hQe0H9DPgWvNHAWAhQwP4eTwrRJ+nWQId4jMlBc2vVSeI8SW85/CS4hneP5/DMm/ Vni37hwsx4jGXTaUAYu8izbWvDDddX2a+Dd/pl0LXfKmfTKiV56zWOJCfom50tygQSYn7HH/4 uGGHvjTxVlaAM92TUz5CSsbk8gR87QLC4llhDfNAZCLw23AMnNja0jqYoRFfbPmKqKSBWaOy7 20GvsZbwrjr1TdtnAxiGfUgW1sBeCYgMVo8Zd2c77ooYex3nuZqwqxTrQxRYGt0uyw9QSlW0Y AfE6g0gsnC3mzKnEjCDqWo3qCrkJA1cwlH3G1QJi08hHOp9CzVJYEYXbFcIvap4vYPbGkQ+ua YhmGNxMlbRdQSCXI/Q+jsOS2Z4Wrwwq6BqgfJI+Hl2fWP/baUQwZSoMtC68= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F26666BC6A X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.628,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.88)[0.881,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.08)[ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.31), asn: 8560(0.09), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:17:11 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/12/18 4:14 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > --On December 12, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM -0700 Gary Aitken wrote: > >=20 > >> On 12/12/18 1:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >> > >>> In my opinion, it's a little better to create your own > >>> "top ports list" instead of saving the current state (or > >>> at least have both lists at hand, but only use your own). > >>> In that "top ports list", you list the things you actually > >>> want to use, and you do not care about their depencencies, > >>> simply because portmaster can resolve them on its own. So > >>> first, your list is much more readable (as it will only > >>> contain the software you are interested in, and nothing > >>> of the software you might need to build or run them), and > >>> second, your list will be much more portable and also deal > >>> with the "port not needed, but still installed" problem > >>> described above. > >> > >> That is the way I've done it in the past, using -R -d, and doing so > >> does not rebuild dependencies.=A0 I suspect the problem has something > >> to do with -a. > >> > > Well, you kind of need that if you're going to rebuild all ports. >=20 > No, you don't. All you need are the top level ports. Right now I > have 800 ports installed. To get those, I only install 36. Yes, that way my basic idea. :-) > I agree > it's a bit of a hassle to keep track of what you need. The discussion has shown that there is a specific case where you need something to be installed, but it's not a dependency of something else. Still you sometimes don't remember to put it on your "top ports" list. As it has been mentioned, creating a meta-port or at least a custom port list is helpful here. > On the other > hand, it seems a bit lame to not know why you have the things you > have installed actually installed. And this is where additional work can occur: Let's say you have installed something on your new system because it was on the list of the old system - something that was a dependency somewhere in the past, for something you don't remember. Now that port is installed on the new system and will be subject to security considerations (port audit). Result: You have to deal with an important security update for something you actually don't use. > Keeping track is a good idea, as > it forces you to review what you have installed and why; I find I quit > installing some things after a while. For example, this applies to creating environments in which certain printers and scanners will work: You install certain components independently to make it work. Later on, the functionality of those little pieces becomes part of a bigger piece, or maybe even part of CUPS or SANE by default. If you make your "top ports" list and add comments for _why_ and _when_ you added something, or _which_ parts form some functional conglomerate, it's quite easy to feed this into tools like portmaster or even "pkg install". > Keeping track also (unfortunately?), means you sometimes can cut down the > top level list, as higher-level ports tend to drag in more stuff over the > years. e.g. I used to have to install cups and three or four other thing= s, > but (in my case) they come in automatically now. Exactly my observation. :-) > > What I find particularly difficult, however, is keeping track of options. > Some ports have NLS by default, some have EXAMPLES by default, some have > various GUI options by default. NLS is fairly easy to get rid of, but > the gui options are not. And the 5 word hint in the options dialog is > usually totally inadequate to determine if you want (or need) the option > enabled. It would be really helpful if there was a button you could hit > to give you more detailed info about what each option is for; kind of a > pkg-descr for the option, explaining when you want it and when you don't. > And especially if you're building an environment for a non-US/UK user, for example for a german user, you _want_ the NLS support to be as good as possible, you _want_ the additional language packages (which are of course not dependencies per se!). However, I agree with your opinion that the configuration dialog for package options is sometimes quite terrible. Especially the idiotic naming of certain packages makes it hard to answer the elementary question of "Do I need this?" Switching to another terminal and checking pkg-descr files of the options doesn't always help, as the description in some cases doesn't really tell you what something is, what it does, or when / why you will need to install it. So instead of "use this", the description text should follow a "use this for" or "use this when" approach. Many years ago, I made up this for illustration purposes: +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Options for stupido 19.84 | | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | [X] CUPS Enable support for printing (requires CUPS) | | | | [ ] GTK Use GTK backend | | | | [ ] KDE4 Use KDE4 backend in room 101 | | | | [ ] KLOMPATSH Use Klompatsh | | | | [ ] RHUMBOIRE Use RHUMBOIRE backend | | | | [ ] QUEEKNARG Enable QUEEKNARG support | | | | [ ] ECK'N'POOT Build with COM-POOTER module | | | | [ ] SHMEER Build bindings for SHMEER | | | | [ ] SHLORTS Enable support for SHLORTS (requires GNOOLFS) | | | | [ ] Use nothing, go away. | | +-+----------------------------------------------------------------+-+ | [ OK ] Cancel | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ It's still out there in the ports tree, in other forms... ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 13 18:28:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4493C132FA04 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE4A6C307 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544725709; x=1547317709; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=lkEJp2Ph7A/CJc4wY32b+mDFBShlysLerheMnKNCefw=; b=eliOpGbNn+kAcAYymOkWBE3/yP1C3QxMp72klH0H9/Pom+37LPyWalVw7BupoooCFB54VJVFVHu5tC1ZdT8rh5FLBzthYzFHSSHftDU5UmJ/fwv9+VGogcEstfhKgVHEC2+PBDAu9X7p3KbPwzBz7BXZe7Gj3ot4Vv1bEok7cCw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDI0MjcxM2EuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.165.229.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:28:15 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:28:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gXViW-0001wl-Rq; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:12 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181213182812.204f2e74df6d43369246a29a@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20181213191135.961db2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> <20181213191135.961db2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7CE4A6C307 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=eliOpGbN; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.68)[-0.681,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.51)[-0.512,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.21)[ip: (-0.50), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.25), asn: 7381(-0.20), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:30 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:11:35 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > > On 12/12/18 4:14 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > No, you don't. All you need are the top level ports. Right now I > > have 800 ports installed. To get those, I only install 36. > > Yes, that way my basic idea. :-) Does pkg leaf work well enough for ports based systems ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 13 19:05:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D5C1330B2E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA9D56D882 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MJW5G-1grNZO2WO8-00Jq7U; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:05:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:05:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181213200548.6427bb44.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181213182812.204f2e74df6d43369246a29a@sohara.org> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> <20181213191135.961db2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181213182812.204f2e74df6d43369246a29a@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:29O04okvplKrkzuIb7v/nuIvfn3AXYYQK5G+BZBhbSgNT2vy69y OXZh1xliqTinkRB5gkTJh0Cdn9vMnDfOpB9tNYIqkowtrL/lI3PGYONKlqRuVNV7/3/GTZL Kkuoy1Gv7kodI+y+eH9mwmE6HvRHgSDfbfsjTPoUdNOW0kL8SKjwN2sYLYsrBSzo2Flg4oO oDrhqkLMmZo/r1UDpnKZg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:e2X31bZkKrk=:MFAx7StHHklgGEo7tOgKnL lxGhBPIXr++2clbxBRl1g4d6XAmzFyl8iGPoyLgTaYl5XdZzoA2eGhjQ+H3jyKhU//71T3YZp 8Qi1myqWf+uMkrt2/w03Ttc+NRwopK0l8KIJiB/hICHARCS/wBPdpMT5+pgUudcwsQlxzQsq+ 9xujxgwRFfMdZsiacQ8BnVcU0TEgA5BLBkZrFSouUlbStSRS0GwpZvIfY7mzh/E5VZXeoyxwZ qD12ryfpQosdIPI/ysZZEjmsTwXCBSwEwThXDPtIOsfG9OL0/LQudHKPGU8zcrl/qY7KlEUgF 8Kgcdq90P6jSJJBB4riHmjy2+fT0Jeu3bUUjx4ouD6Pyma0ju1fdPLH8DbKgGvFZOmAAmAXgy tyO99qNDUleatpjOtzkJt6q7yAMx9cA38dr7wloTIq0OwglW+fSJYyBTNNK69rrb+Cmrt4NRM munw42xDyqFGkvX2OeVpDRD7ZD9zU44fhtRIvl3AYpQn3R7wtBXQTSsXBf8cV7+EeSLfHoVdW RFUKl4f5LEC5B2fmPd1O1/TrbJsGUKf9lbOZGEn3Tom+5mb3FzDUjbBZ+Zq1a5AntZU6P3i/k PZOVLaZVQhfJ0stzNqL2Mybo4haVaVlTgs3DEp2cnQ7cqJ1xxSPMVtDqorRX4XThSHvvpArXk +7pQjHkjnSLtJ0DeOlxi3oO7rSfeahwImbIPvEK5U3KJC1mVDXgMLl3W3amMtk2kGEGJwentb /pVDeAyOpDMs2Hnba7xEExRvdGifvscrVi0yd8yk/Nrs5BPqIVD/j3Qeh5Y= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EA9D56D882 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.44 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.44)[0.437,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.67)[0.672,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.49), asn: 8560(0.20), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:05:59 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:12 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:11:35 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > > > On 12/12/18 4:14 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > > No, you don't. All you need are the top level ports. Right now I > > > have 800 ports installed. To get those, I only install 36. > > > > Yes, that way my basic idea. :-) > > Does pkg leaf work well enough for ports based systems ? Yes, at least, it should. But of course it cannot deal with one problem: recognizing something as "not needed" that has been installed as not being a dependency of something else. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 13 19:25:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F0A133173C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40E366E274 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544729123; x=1547321123; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=+Q0UI1XZcRYzHr9SspyGmvaRH4YbTNHmTGMhjYQzoN8=; b=SuKCICH11dWvewO56A0ohY/POJvmXeLOyXvlRl4vEM14ky4SQCeNTWl9IwiR+4kiUWlIhk/LNKaymd5IpMjy/tNdM2PEAjMyDVQTdhdjn3oXT0heqkdqttdGRHd3skVEqHVn9cU1sW5O/ge1wo6nupkbHQ7/A4J56j6NKn4rpB8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDI0MzY4ODQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:25:16 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:25:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gXWbi-0002DM-4B; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:25:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:25:13 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Forcing port reinstalls without rebuilding over and over again Message-Id: <20181213192513.9a3d16dbbe0b5415958d5fea@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20181213200548.6427bb44.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <47758EF2A172AE3BCA2F6E66@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1793865D5AEE79C2FC27331F@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212204151.659fb436.freebsd@edvax.de> <296D11C4E1B5870932452073@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20181212214714.4017e195.freebsd@edvax.de> <5116e02a-79e8-d0c5-89c7-88b80effd693@dreamchaser.org> <20181213191135.961db2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181213182812.204f2e74df6d43369246a29a@sohara.org> <20181213200548.6427bb44.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 40E366E274 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=SuKCICH1; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.40)[-0.401,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.715,0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.21)[ip: (-0.51), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.26), asn: 7381(-0.21), country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:25:24 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:05:48 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:28:12 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:11:35 +0100 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:52:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > > > > On 12/12/18 4:14 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > > > > No, you don't. All you need are the top level ports. Right now I > > > > have 800 ports installed. To get those, I only install 36. > > > > > > Yes, that way my basic idea. :-) > > > > Does pkg leaf work well enough for ports based systems ? > > Yes, at least, it should. > > But of course it cannot deal with one problem: recognizing > something as "not needed" that has been installed as not > being a dependency of something else. ;-) True, but at least it's a smaller list and you can then use pkg set -A 0 on the ones you didn't really want. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 02:21:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8202130A9F6 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316C284DFB for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43GDn7364Hz2fjQW for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: FreeBSD 12.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:21:15 -0800 To: freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 316C284DFB X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.187,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.950,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:21:24 -0000 Now that it is released, I setup a spare machine and installed it. The = installation went fine. However, all my applications need to be = recompiled and tested. The first problem I encountered was that ld = couldn't find the BIO_ symbols. Apparently they have moved to = libcrypto. I found no notice of that change in UPDATING. Adding = lcrypto to the ld command fixed that. However, none of the programs = run. They all build correctly, but immediately exit with an error: ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "sock" referenced from COPY relocation in = /usr/local/RSS/src/check_db These programs all compile and run on 11.0 and 11.1. They are in = production on 11.1. There is a project shared library (librss) that has an integer "sock" = defined at the top level. It is referenced in check_db. Here is a = reduced version of the code: rss.c _____________________ #include rss.h int sock void initialize () { sock =3D 3; } _____________________ rss.h: _____________________ extern sock void initialize (); _____________________ check_db.c _____________________ #include rss.h int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { initialize (); } _____________________ Makefile: _____________________ rss: rss.c rss.h $(CC) -fPIC -c -Wall rss.c -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib = -lrss=20 $(CC) -shared -W1,-soname,librss.so -o librss.so rss.o=20 check_db: check_db.c $(CC) -o check_db check_db.c -I/usr/local/include = -L/usr/local/lib -lrss=20 It is interesting that there are a number of other variables defined = like sock. It doesn't complain about any others, but perhaps that's the = first one it encounters. Has something changed with respect to global = variables? 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Link do faktury: http://ocswf.dogus-tekn= oloji.com/reserve/login.php?email=3D6fef9@a519d pozdrawiam Piotr Kufel "Petrus" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 04:44:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD78B1314678 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170B88A9BF for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43GHyW0FyQz2fjRd for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12.0 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:44:34 -0800 References: To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 170B88A9BF X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.306,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.894,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 04:44:38 -0000 > On 13 December 2018, at 18:21, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > Now that it is released, I setup a spare machine and installed it. = The installation went fine. However, all my applications need to be = recompiled and tested. The first problem I encountered was that ld = couldn't find the BIO_ symbols. Apparently they have moved to = libcrypto. I found no notice of that change in UPDATING. Adding = lcrypto to the ld command fixed that. However, none of the programs = run. They all build correctly, but immediately exit with an error: >=20 > ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "sock" referenced from COPY relocation = in /usr/local/RSS/src/check_db >=20 > These programs all compile and run on 11.0 and 11.1. They are in = production on 11.1. >=20 > There is a project shared library (librss) that has an integer "sock" = defined at the top level. It is referenced in check_db. Here is a = reduced version of the code: >=20 Well, I finally figured out what is going on. Someone added a librss... = to FreeBSD base. I use a number of other shared libraries so I guess I = am going to have to test each one to see if it duplicates something new = that has been added. No mention anywhere about the new lib in /usr/src = unfortunately. My guess is that the linker used the "right" one, but = the loader used the one from base which would not have my symbols in it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 07:01:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3591318C17 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iconoklastic@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic310-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic310-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.135.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 700DB8ED7D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iconoklastic@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: 05Xm780VM1m7BtwKZk6twaHNrnt6lcuBHV1Bkwo60Cf3hx_wzBqG3DjgIRTLCaZ lWLfu1f69V31Qn8pe.CEjnidn5EHN2B76DgU5xtI7uOn1fIxaHTtC3AuN3C43RD3NGyJa97EzxyL w3Z4f6_INz3E5XeIP_q3GnWK_BE_sQ0RADRVZ5d5W0TAKFwuiuT25wfFL9LJW0B37rEKpxmg6AsV BLTPkF0VxKFKiZ2OkHDce29batMruGoX9BHF5EyXYM3FdWOKP5apQMT_jofPu_y6lV5RFcxR9KFY IflD8FVZG1zDKDH1iGBT8b9L90Y37PAr0jhvkulPEBt0Ef2Z4C8XYnOuStPHwnJZn.bDwkRQ_ofY PY4_895B8H48EsweXbXCpmUEQLpRxy0aF3C43GvVFiiWJ9_ujikQ0BqL6jFt9wvl3xKEYFDIG0Bj iitmgkd4MgP3ijINamhwoNkOQq10cDE3Tziwd1xzJsUMmNqDayKb4kconSNOWi9zN36ME2dYJZK_ Mv1gmoTuqYyVpV.aJoqw3EW90v8wZu.PR0W.c1SE0Js6GfXC1UDXglhjW3Uib5IRa4I8JgZHrWCQ HqKw9FxDyayaRE_KbszzNTsy.GRSTrD4B6jTbbA1AGWmPHsK4ceMtQXoSDQrV7wGwtFnnKYHvd_v 4Q4hfoZ4N0YgN5F2EIZoRew63FLqAtrj8p8Vjsyhaxw8xaY83vDNN7b40O1v5..sTeB02lXGOBO0 TVucMcGJUoRriXpiO8.tgkcHz5JkapiYs37X.UQqOoHzY7uqTqjqXRbJGndKKvy3i46Jm01cLwER k69DNtAi5acDOU6E05HU6KGy8YccA5.FMxRigFGh2.t0_8J.QcHT4cJnxzHchqUmfB8QXQK203xo XMcpVQqZJ94xo9aFxIiFRk.eNJFsHZjJYxuapTAwhVRpu0SaNlazZEtv2UMqeXQsM9a5lmWsamLs RSuoz2ph18sNuOFB8H6Gqjrx9v72vZoHWXuLON58I4nzr_8ysbDVe9DfI.cZVY3Ag7LDYKsUjOhz Jahmjwjaq8T51nV35nr6gBTbdZJAPxDYKk3evcLRp1R1qhKV_K42wQj40sYCz20rsqBsKP5zMMGQ - Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:01:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:51:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Robert Kopp Reply-To: Robert Kopp To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <1927194512.4229615.1544770279931@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: AMD GPU support MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1927194512.4229615.1544770279931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12857 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 700DB8ED7D X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [10.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[iconoklastic@yahoo.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; IP_SCORE(1.62)[ip: (5.12), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.71), asn: 26101(1.37), country: US(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[123.135.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; URIBL_SBL(6.50)[analytic.tripod.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[123.135.6.74.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:01:52 -0000 I'm thinking about using FreeBSD again, with the 12.0 release. One shortcom= ing I noted on previous releases was the lack of amdgpu support for cards s= uch as my RX-480. Hopefully this has been fixed by now, since it would incr= ease my enthusiasm (as it did for Linux when this support was available). D= oes anyone know what the status of hardware acceleration for high-end AMD c= ards is? Robert "Tim" Kopp=20 http://analytic.tripod.com/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 09:13:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C2B1326E9F for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CF4A946A2 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id b74so2955796vsd.9 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:13:36 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cederom@tlen.pl,tomekcedro@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:13:37 -0000 Yes it seems to work, not sure about your specific card, but I have just bought RX580 as AMD GPU has far better support (i.e. OpenCL) than nVidia (zero support, no OpenCL). https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics Best regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 10:56:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC680132B8E2 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thorsten23@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8C1F6ABFF for ; 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BTW, reverse resolution is fine for my domain A and AAAA wise. Sending mail to a domain with MX A and AAAA records switched now from IPv4 to IPv6. e.g with gmail: sm-mta[42339]: wBE9nxJl042337: to=, ctladdr= (1001/1001), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30389, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c06:0:0:0:1b], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent but sending mail to a domain with only MX A records does not take that IPv4 address for the relay but replaces it with my own servers IPv6 address which results in the "config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)" error. e.g. with gmx.net: sm-mta[42369]: wBE9oqO5042367: to=, ctladdr= (1001/1001), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30390, relay=mx00.emig.gmx.net. [IPv6:myservers_IPv6_Address!!!here should be the IPv4 address of the mx00.emig.gmx.net!!!], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error which furthermore leads to the "loops back to me" error. That's what I added to sendmail.mc: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=MTA-v6, Family=inet6') How can a IPv4 and IPv6 enabled sendmail communicate with IPv4 only MX of a foreign domain? Why doesn't it resolve the MX's IPv4 address but instead uses it's own IPv6 address? DNS resolv works fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 11:27:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BA4132CA72 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6643B6BE02 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1544786849; x=1547378849; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ti+tv0mFeWZkADYpbNpWg5bZTXuRZYNXcxYjX0egXSY=; b=AA89BvDBq1SadTyej1B+kfEBPdIkytEuSxkANAVSIapoUNXOstEZRW4bk/MDNQrk17UXY+RtPhmcyTY4l7EEu67b/VRtYoN2U4+vUGi58+Mm5v0d/aikK1B0zR1zbTYZ8Pfr9444RHKtuzqhtoirfOTualglg4gJrBolySaXyYo= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYTEwMDAwMDI0YzY0YzIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.86.145.87]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:27:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:27:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gXlck-0007WH-Mw; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:27:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:27:18 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: CeDeROM Cc: iconoklastic@yahoo.com, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: AMD GPU support Message-Id: <20181214112718.56cd6422ae8ffdce9b7c6261@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <1927194512.4229615.1544770279931.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1927194512.4229615.1544770279931@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6643B6BE02 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=AA89BvDB; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.77 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mxbh.socketlabs.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.658,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ip: (-0.52), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.26), asn: 7381(-0.21), country: US(-0.09)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.89)[-0.887,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:27:30 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 09:48:11 +0100 CeDeROM wrote: > Yes it seems to work, not sure about your specific card, but I have > just bought RX580 as AMD GPU has far better support (i.e. OpenCL) than > nVidia (zero support, no OpenCL). I find the amdgpu kernel module loads but X11 complains about not being able to find /usr/local/lib/dri/amdgpu_dri.so and reverts to software rendering in Xorg.0.log. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 11:31:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC300132CFB6 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C959E6C301 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from webmail.gandi.net (webmail13.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.13]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 01EEA60011 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:41 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:41 +0000 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [commercial] sendmail : single user scenario : setup : anyone interested? Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Mail-Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Message-ID: <3e77a5220992e58488f87beac9e9b050@kathe.in> X-Sender: mayuresh@kathe.in User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C959E6C301 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mayuresh@kathe.in]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spool.mail.gandi.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.46)[-0.464,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[195.183.70.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; IP_SCORE(-0.84)[ipnet: 217.70.176.0/20(-2.23), asn: 29169(-1.93), country: FR(-0.02)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.914,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kathe.in]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:45 -0000 hello, i have tried but failed to set up my personal mailing system under freebsd. i am currently on freebsd-12 amd64 and solicit aid from interested people in configuring my sendmail. i am comfortable using mailx and am planning to use fetchmail to get mail off my pop3 mail host. i cannot pay more than us$30 towards charges for configuring my sendmail. someone please help me. -mayuresh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 11:37:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8BE132E4BC for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net (relay12.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EFA06CC73 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from webmail.gandi.net (webmail13.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.13]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AC261200012 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:22 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:22 +0000 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: running freebsd completely from memory : possible? Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Mail-Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Message-ID: X-Sender: mayuresh@kathe.in User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2EFA06CC73 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mayuresh@kathe.in]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spool.mail.gandi.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.452,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[232.178.70.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.911,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 217.70.176.0/20(-2.21), asn: 29169(-1.91), country: FR(-0.02)]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kathe.in]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[232.178.70.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:51 -0000 hello, is it possible to run freebsd-12 completely from memory? basically the system would boot off my 'ssd' and get loaded up fully in memory and run from there and only write back to the 'ssd' on shutdown. my current use-case involves learning to develop under freebsd using c89 and i have a quad-core intel i5@2.9ghz with 16gib of memory under a lenovo thinkpad. i don't run a 'gui' and browse the web using lynx and intend to work with emails using mailx, fetchmail and sendmail (in a personal user configuration). -mayuresh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 12:20:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ED013311BF for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (relay9-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7E266ED8A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@kathe.in) Received: from webmail.gandi.net (webmail13.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.13]) (Authenticated sender: mayuresh@kathe.in) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3558DFF809 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:19:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:19:55 +0000 From: Mayuresh Kathe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [off-topic] freebsd sticker for windows key : available anywhere? Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Mail-Reply-To: mayuresh@kathe.in Message-ID: <2dfe13a1e508fbc1e20950386839174d@kathe.in> X-Sender: mayuresh@kathe.in User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C7E266ED8A X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mayuresh@kathe.in]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spool.mail.gandi.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.436,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[199.183.70.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.903,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.82)[ipnet: 217.70.176.0/20(-2.18), asn: 29169(-1.89), country: FR(-0.02)]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kathe.in]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[199.183.70.217.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:20:03 -0000 hello, is there anyone selling freebsd/beastie stickers for the windows key of new generation laptops? -mayuresh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 13:35:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80E51333E23 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63DC75233 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com with SMTP id z3so3357540vsf.7 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 05:35:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Xq8q25aHtYxNGLZS5H4rEy4619P+KAV2cF9/WBy42SU=; b=RzQcEaHqfusK8lQ5/s2TixrbsRcactXgHDDXauUHB5t0DJhtjrymXRBTAExqZNCU8O PIvQ+2CXk7le7WmTwihnhaNhV85CP0nnnLQI9Vx8GuQIm8zOoi2tL3lOW/k9jWTjwIzF LWD6/QzBNJYHV9G3YPBwZWbIsq7xwWa05tw3o4kZFxJLb2m/vxtEIiHdgA0zJ/QdsKxi dwqLGs6LEH+9wYBvytZpaL3PV6XfNQ6GIn9F6Lht4QsHvfYxBWwYnHpYuK8UJ/S84JuT Z5UNFNzy93qN2G3AXSik0MUJuodrEGKZLUdBlEY53EvqCAUwLtCVZQODs0NESbk77Rt8 HOtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Xq8q25aHtYxNGLZS5H4rEy4619P+KAV2cF9/WBy42SU=; b=uYbR/qACGTrq1kzzZvfkPYWwgiUUFc/L4LE1FTaKzM4eWfiC52PNCCZzvPQvqXfK8e rGXOq8v52MKAQtwx2QI8KC0PeFZ/nDpXmqCGdgovryHakKFMDnQxGRGoU7/F34Kgj8Ek nFh0gRPCzvbRJ8KQUrWc7M0StYGXqGrd+Zud7PsAqaukjA5QK/rih40ywUZNKAvr+80I fVeNCTr10xaW0k30JZLwE2FgbhmNkAxaLfzTAOVDV8oitImtyZRrfAlcQFZswepMj4mj 5cFSiCwaIlUi/8CXiZCqASaDFAI2/HOoI4mLZMeK8HRUpuORXOj3pwTSrsJCdhbZQerO +EWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaVb6YRTdTYK4j3mKaATgxxpjQMMdOsUq1UYJw5aBHoFlzwWOGz WSLAXPjzWRy14fPu/nAplqUzb5C6Jjn9xN8ro8s40jsool8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/V0HwcWIyoN4VSbHo4zu0oVShlXYMjADqx4DkGTmNErU48pJ1Q5e9G/EGigJCzJ/nOOQAgun7cJFA4E7FN6b8c= X-Received: by 2002:a67:a9c7:: with SMTP id m68mr1178366vsh.19.1544794524074; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 05:35:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3e77a5220992e58488f87beac9e9b050@kathe.in> In-Reply-To: <3e77a5220992e58488f87beac9e9b050@kathe.in> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [commercial] sendmail : single user scenario : setup : anyone interested? To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C63DC75233 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=RzQcEaHq; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx2.googlemail.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx3.googlemail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.816,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.60)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.60), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:35:26 -0000 On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 6:32 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > hello, i have tried but failed to set up my personal mailing system > under freebsd. > i am currently on freebsd-12 amd64 and solicit aid from interested > people in configuring my sendmail. > i am comfortable using mailx and am planning to use fetchmail to get > mail off my pop3 mail host. > i cannot pay more than us$30 towards charges for configuring my > sendmail. > > Hey Mayuresh, Sendmail is a great MTA without a doubt. But for your personal mailing system may I recommend that you change the base MTA to Postfix. Postfix is much simpler to configure than Sendmail and works great on FreeBSD: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-changingmta.html Best, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 14:05:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B101334AE1 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thorsten23@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x441.google.com (mail-wr1-x441.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::441]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EEFB7637C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thorsten23@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x441.google.com with SMTP id s12so5118119wrt.4 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:05:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=dZlqr8JFBdNggTVVdYss4QlPom+fQir+GgT6dd7JPII=; b=DNBD8bunn8b4REssa6J3o0elIufP8ouqinVbFwJXNHyaBl7DXc05z3ZkZOYGbfAa1G fl/ATrbRorjvwBKgEPGcLQ4TAGMMbs3pEHvgujSokdL7z1qFZVe1Lj5XipyQzHoh7F7s pVT6/U01kYCadBLjWJ4QzH61L6c6NZDH4BFW2JWEIpPQGGQy8nr5jauXzKcmjzxcd4AK wb2QDs+RHPNzJK59NQYcgf5BNscHH967QKeqVWRQFK7XwPemPsnAlVSJ9iNE1xtGyTU1 2DQUfQwbgFYJvpvZDD9DKxVw5/tqbtFx0l/B7sc0YRBSREKpxNK6AvPwMapckn0SUKcU +EHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbeoiOYCHPmW4lS0rQbCF47LvtnprJE7BwPQL+mZxPBR+5Yp4QP nqg72XWjZUmT4v/g4rWrARokXJIc X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WsSxiWOLpWUlmabS7FlfW2IZTdHjDE8jIDg7Fdq8+VY1EtrUiQCFs/tbrxUft6StySHD9U5w== X-Received: by 2002:adf:891a:: with SMTP id s26mr2728042wrs.44.1544796346196; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from manjaro ([2a02:810d:aabf:f708:694e:f808:9774:99c4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g198sm8838985wmd.23.2018.12.14.06.05.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:05:45 -0800 (PST) From: Thorsten X-Google-Original-From: Thorsten Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:05:41 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED RE: IPv6 enabled =?utf-8?Q?sendmail?= =?utf-8?Q?_does_not_send_to_domains_with_IPv4_only_MX_which_results_in_?= =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cconfig_error=3A_mail_loops_back_to_me=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: <20181214140540.GA26938@manjaro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt 1.11.0 (2018-11-25) (UNIX) (Linux 4.19.6-1-MANJARO (unknown)) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7EEFB7637C X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.891,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.21)[ip: (1.90), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:05:58 -0000 It wasn't a sendmail problem: My hostname was with with domain "hostname.my.domain" not just "hostname" so the resolver in search for the non-existent AAAA of mx00.emig.gmx.net returned mx00.emig.gmx.net.my.domain which resolved to my local IPv6 address and sendmail tried to send the mail to itself. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 17:48:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42796133D340 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C803688BCF for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A619D33C1E; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id F3CE314AA581; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:48:41 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running freebsd completely from memory : possible? References: Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:48:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Mayuresh Kathe's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:37:22 +0000") Message-ID: <44zht8ngna.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C803688BCF X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.06)[-0.059,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ilk.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: be-well.ilk.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.26)[0.263,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.736,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:23.30.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ip: (0.06), ipnet: 23.30.0.0/15(0.03), asn: 7922(-0.88), country: US(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:48:55 -0000 Mayuresh Kathe writes: > hello, is it possible to run freebsd-12 completely from memory? > basically the system would boot off my 'ssd' and get loaded up fully > in memory and run from there and only write back to the 'ssd' on > shutdown. > my current use-case involves learning to develop under freebsd using > c89 and i have a quad-core intel i5@2.9ghz with 16gib of memory under > a lenovo thinkpad. > i don't run a 'gui' and browse the web using lynx and intend to work > with emails using mailx, fetchmail and sendmail (in a personal user > configuration). https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/solid-state/ro-fs.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:00:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D10130BC6E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477408EE16 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mzhzd-1hKn200NQf-00vdF5; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:00:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:00:32 +0100 From: Polytropon To: mayuresh@kathe.in Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [commercial] sendmail : single user scenario : setup : anyone interested? Message-Id: <20181214210032.3ec280bd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <3e77a5220992e58488f87beac9e9b050@kathe.in> References: <3e77a5220992e58488f87beac9e9b050@kathe.in> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:12/mlXumNxQ6iBwELJUqYpDqi0sio2ocY4dR3XZZdq1+bQgNbTV ux5ERBHDX3mcPpIH2sQMpd8ANemY6HWUt/ZIaWpxiIGpnXhq8nO9aIpGL/7VryOnV9W0Efh +xgeaoQ+NHT2nDvPSLj+eMZCuBj6CFVL0L9n4F16kmKOCn5LHoZLsZZN5dbiWEhXdGiTeL1 t8kLH1l5w8Uc2nmaMziDA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:JvDBPCfoses=:AGzIDiMT9WQjxHVwm/EogS m05HJsQ/NvMPU7Qi2O2E23PvxyWtpvi307EDCdfzPPTigXW9Y2utO38wyG8bPwNkrgdp1z6sz hUOc451gW4oMFJ8WUr/DqUo3ezYV3QErheIFzCAYNdl3XzyyQnv7s8pFpz6IvBDjUzZZgtVrC nCi+i5kIwHZ1sMQ0IxTIVMzhe66nYRc/6bSUnwmRBU3y4HkFbV3g3O4bcUSJlHm34OZZ6fgzo Oh34kGeHlHOmiXatqlpJW4lWm9l/Mmf5ZgW0nFyRODKGB9bnBUtTg4FS0LV/B6SQeBYyHcEDh gpP/jFQ0kvE/fpWaasH9tgm8wpEK5cbpwZimsGMNusjkAoN1FrHzBc6X36Kuwsxulj1DRUo3S T87gSM239I0wcqlYz8RTOg6QjfKvIb1eupluLR4i8LSI3NUWXJ+AshrUqhdvnxOigpF6Q8Q+N 0iAneOW1RQPF952Lf/uD37B5AnyiklzeAnNQ0yP6+zjgE/5LorIviSotfghjCtJRbrIb9a3vr Bkp4P4m5VMyL0Sd3Orp2gLz/8Y1LCDU++QwIuXlrX1fT4QuNErhHfXDsNH5LeMKlNIQ9WXs6W u02nT/OHBpyrw2XloLD6OZaO+VllZGZWcRIbtuzJysiXpWUFpPEWOyr05aXfxAr7XxgTxgXC6 5mTgCe/T0IFSOprUzFNA/iH6CDluCkCy8cS1q7guARnHkkeKL5Khgq0XEfJ4KzQmPdGV2GNdd YOTcmccp9BYmZDUPDs0mH0vDwE57Hf6tQZGDX3artA6Dj7JqhjA1v8LdaD8= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 477408EE16 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.47), asn: 8560(0.33), country: DE(-0.01)]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.667,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[129.252.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.83)[0.826,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.915,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:00:43 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:31:41 +0000, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > hello, i have tried but failed to set up my personal mailing system > under freebsd. > i am currently on freebsd-12 amd64 and solicit aid from interested > people in configuring my sendmail. > i am comfortable using mailx and am planning to use fetchmail to get > mail off my pop3 mail host. If you're using your ISP (I assume) for taking care of your mailbox, you don't actually need to deal with sendmail on your side. From what I understand you want to do, this looks like too much work at the wrong construction site. ;-) For receiving mail, fetchmail is very easy to use - POP3. Creating a matching .fetchmailrc entry is not a big deal, it's typically something like poll pop.example.com proto POP3 user bob pass trustno1 fetchall flush ssl See "man fetchmail" for the options you might need (or want to leave out, depending on your requirements). For sending mail, you can install a text mode MUA like pine or alpine. You can then go ahead and configure your SMTP access for your ISP, comparable to what you did for POP3. Then you can send from within the MUA without involving sendmail. However, _if_ you want to use sendmail, it could be possible that your ISP provides a mail relay which sendmail can use. You should first verify that your ISP does actually offer such a service, and if it requires you do be on a specific subnet (commonly the ISP's adress range). If this is all okay, you plan for the following: 1. local MUA (mailx, alpine, sylpheed, Thunderbird, whatever you want to use) hands message to local sendmail instance 2. sendmail connects to ISP's mail relay 3. sendmail sends messages over 4. ISP's mail relay will care for further delivery tasks In order to add that functionality to sendmail, you need to add the line define(`SMART_HOST', `mx.example.com') to your host's .mc file, and then "make install". You can find example code in /etc/mail, as well as further instructions in /etc/mail/Makefile's comment header. But as I said, it's probably far easier to choose a MUA that fits your needs and requirements, and just configure SMTP for that MUA. I suggest you have a look at alpine. If you don't like its built-in editor (nano), you can use an external one. Other text mode MUAs are for example mutt and sup. Additional inspiration here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail-agents.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mail.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:06:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B9813101F3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA268F44D for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43GhQ14ZMNz2fjQW for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: OpenSSL issue with 12.0 Message-Id: <301BB987-72B3-407F-B497-F109D4FA5BB1@mail.sermon-archive.info> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:06:17 -0800 To: freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7CA268F44D X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.15)[0.146,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: sermon-archive.info]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.87)[0.874,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.503,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=ypd7=ox=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:06:20 -0000 If I encrypt a file on 11.1 using aes256: master# openssl enc -aes256 -in xxx.c -out xxx.enc Then transfer xxx.enc to 12.0 and try to decrypt it, I get garbage with = a couple of what appear to be warnings: test# openssl enc -d -aes256 -in xxx.enc enter aes-256-cbc decryption password: *** WARNING : deprecated key derivation used. Using -iter or -pbkdf2 would be better. = s??6@TU?lPD?]+?'RPB????^?"?wHC?^q=DB=B8??p5YkZ?t?????/?i????B????#?%?8'??!= NAZ`!?m??K^ Is this a bug, or intended behavior? I find nothing that appears to be = related to this in either UPDATING or on the openssl.org web site. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:08:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB64A13104CF for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CF588F6D0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N79Ey-1hURHO32w0-017Rww; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:08:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:08:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: mayuresh@kathe.in Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running freebsd completely from memory : possible? 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More or less, everything runs from memory. Yes, I know: The memory content has to come from somewhere, but the CPU executes stuff only from memory, not directly from the hard disk. A PC is not an AS/400, right? ;-) > basically the system would boot off my 'ssd' and get loaded up fully in > memory and run from there and only write back to the 'ssd' on shutdown. This is, more or less, how a FreeBSD live file system works. Historically, the live system CD (#2 in the set) will boot from non-writable media, as the CD is read-only. It will then extract the neccessary structures into a memory file system mounted as /. With a specific configuration, the CD could then even be removed - if all binaries have been copied to RAM, which holds the complete file system (including all the stuff in /usr and even /usr/local). Of course, the more complex such a system is, the more RAM it will require. Many years ago, I have created a "maintenance system" that boots from a USB stick, and upon finishing the process, the USB stick could be removed as the whole system (and all its programs) were in a memeory file system, and the USB stick as initial source for booting, was entirely unmounted. The system would continue to run until it was rebooted (from external "control terminal" via network), and then the system would reboot into its normal environment. Of course, such a memory-based system cannot store anything permanently. RAM content is lost at system shutdown. So you have to make sure you can store stuff (if needed) to a USB stick or a network location (for example via NFS). > my current use-case involves learning to develop under freebsd using c89 > and i have a quad-core intel i5@2.9ghz with 16gib of memory under a > lenovo thinkpad. With 16 GB RAM, you should definitely be able to hold such a development system, including the libraries and header files, all the compiler stuff, editor, debugger... > i don't run a 'gui' and browse the web using lynx and intend to work > with emails using mailx, fetchmail and sendmail (in a personal user > configuration). Have a look at alpine or mutt. Those are text-mode MUAs which are very comfortable to use in a text only environment, and a welcome replacement for mailx. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Currently I have Php 5.6 going but it's reaching end of life so I'm needing to upgrade. Versions of Php 7.0 and 7.1 look like I'll be having the same upgrade sooner than I'd like. That leaves me with Php 7.2 or 7.3. To those running either which is the stable production-ready version? Thanks. Dave. 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From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Reply-To: nervoso@k1.com.br To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:28:28 -0200 In-Reply-To: <20181214210830.9b959558.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20181214210830.9b959558.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: K1 sistemas User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 30ECC68472 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=gMk+BECC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lenzisergio@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::836 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lenzisergio@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.68 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[nervoso@k1.com.br]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.21)[ip: (-8.05), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.59), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:28:44 -0000 Sure!!! peace of cake... you can boot freebsd diskless, and run entirely from memory with 128Mb of memory and i386 kernel, including the new FreeBSD 12. Or you can boot it from a memory stick, entirely on memory and run from there Or you can boot from a CD, bring the system from the network and run from there... The same for NetBSD.. It has been working since FreeBSD 1, I think... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:41:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67221315AB5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from dd14614.kasserver.com (dd14614.kasserver.com [85.13.136.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4570B6A11F for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-en@lists.vlassakakis.de) Received: from [192.168.178.28] (p5496E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.150.225.70]) by dd14614.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2297E43C0553; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:33:36 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: stable php From: Philipp Vlassakakis X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16B92) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:33:35 +0100 Cc: freebsd-questions Message-Id: <18EEEC79-F8AF-4EE7-ADA2-73A29B9BEAE5@lists.vlassakakis.de> References: To: David Mehler X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4570B6A11F X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: lists.vlassakakis.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 34788(0.27), country: DE(-0.01)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.136.0/24, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.017,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[vlassakakis.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.924,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.972,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[14.136.13.85.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:41:32 -0000 Hi, PHP 7.3 is =E2=80=9Ecurrent stable=E2=80=9C, PHP 7.2 is =E2=80=9Eold stable=E2= =80=9C. Both are production-ready. (Your application may malfunction due to removed p= hp functions) See http://php.net/downloads.php Regards, Philipp > On 14. Dec 2018, at 21:25, David Mehler wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I'm using FreeBSD 11.2. Currently I have Php 5.6 going but it's > reaching end of life so I'm needing to upgrade. Versions of Php 7.0 > and 7.1 look like I'll be having the same upgrade sooner than I'd > like. That leaves me with Php 7.2 or 7.3. To those running either > which is the stable production-ready version? >=20 > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:49:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D011315F10 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D2126A6D3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id q26so7023148wmf.5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:49:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SfZimriE/a0qvK/TI4Hyh3T/tZZoyuCmsA2cbp7R9cM=; b=Ge/2vm4wq35p7qg6z+K+65OBNeZGNfkmuV4ABCtwDg5r+PSq4Ggwqp9kEvsCmlWcG8 j5D2jVI+zKZ2S+hF8GdrkG68IP1HcBvysZ+Q+p7+/Oh7pEwJPVZGlKIonCnF4q5CwuuM WYZM5CbZ/gD05YDZl6KxT9VjoUXJvppt+DaKF0nWqKBXl2OIsuwVoLTOq74xJ1XSn60A IhcFT1c1LxoWGSSIs1o4Kn/B/BCupV9SIBrUqhLVj2Cc6cX1dgKuZE1Paa1uy8baROnD /mxw/nmXlSI/xbpTHgwm/PdGgox+AxzvYc/cHG8vA+hyOVSCFlFo73vt+P9Fhy57zEgH oQWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SfZimriE/a0qvK/TI4Hyh3T/tZZoyuCmsA2cbp7R9cM=; b=DgYmfsqWIk+pKdL8twMyGB8jHmzZWV4SApYY8TIdVQUnqsmRQpFjD0JM3sBgRn5vvD 65Q/XzjY52GHEJvqzMCLsKiUE7O3WJDZrwo6tq0c47U0+I7iQ4/xCoQEUkbJn463eimA WFLGdo2EFs9tuqjvypQ9+0qfcAUGLZWQLpv9PoD50nUXrxFcA5oPl+NkdDhREKuiEMB5 58l74FCuHVckj7gLT8LAEwk62XUIo6MlG6Db+5FAWQPR4PxjcBHZkxHsBLeWpWWhKHwz IWAdMbpCoGgtsrEZkOuAsvhPYfPBZEyA/uFR6rGUJqnYMXpGRFvI9T7rmi8AWEOp8CuQ lB2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaAUO5XpN7J1/UaBxUgxgwv8bxiV9yS7yKMQ0ylGEObMOCMttMk EizP8t0EnlxT8Gp49NmCw+0QtpE5b7dubDzhNQ10kUqA X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WEdfucErx6hGuGSjqII+gRvx4yzybYUjj61u0YLgGpVhN6xDCD3DC4/eTPLi6I2ZxX6/fwPVZNF9R6FUvWGkE= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c5d1:: with SMTP id n17mr4390209wmk.152.1544820550032; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:49:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:fa0f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:49:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18EEEC79-F8AF-4EE7-ADA2-73A29B9BEAE5@lists.vlassakakis.de> References: <18EEEC79-F8AF-4EE7-ADA2-73A29B9BEAE5@lists.vlassakakis.de> From: David Mehler Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:49:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stable php To: Philipp Vlassakakis Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2D2126A6D3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ge/2vm4w; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::333 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.42 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.44)[ip: (-9.26), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:49:12 -0000 Hello, Thanks. I'll go with 7.3, as for my apps yah one does not work with 7.3 and the dev has moved on so it's done. Thanks. Dave. On 12/14/18, Philipp Vlassakakis wrote: > Hi, > > PHP 7.3 is =E2=80=9Ecurrent stable=E2=80=9C, PHP 7.2 is =E2=80=9Eold stab= le=E2=80=9C. > Both are production-ready. (Your application may malfunction due to remov= ed > php functions) > > See http://php.net/downloads.php > > Regards, > Philipp > >> On 14. Dec 2018, at 21:25, David Mehler wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm using FreeBSD 11.2. Currently I have Php 5.6 going but it's >> reaching end of life so I'm needing to upgrade. Versions of Php 7.0 >> and 7.1 look like I'll be having the same upgrade sooner than I'd >> like. That leaves me with Php 7.2 or 7.3. To those running either >> which is the stable production-ready version? >> >> Thanks. >> Dave. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 14 20:50:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445DE1315FFA for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3738F6A7D1 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.252.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N1Oo7-1hamEW3Upn-012nxx; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:45:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:45:18 +0100 From: Polytropon To: nervoso@k1.com.br Cc: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running freebsd completely from memory : possible? 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A whole preinstalled and preconfigured GUI desktop system (with the choice of 2 or 3 different environments) including various application programs, booting fron a CD (650 MB capacity) has been provided by FreeSBIE. If I remember correctly, that was on FreeBSD 5 or 6... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 00:09:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A40F1325AA5 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8061F71C20 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43Gnq35Zk8z2fjSP; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:09:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: running freebsd completely from memory : possible? From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20181214214518.572674df.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:09:51 -0800 Cc: nervoso@k1.com.br, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <918DD4FE-0438-4560-A0A4-F38991E5619C@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20181214210830.9b959558.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181214214518.572674df.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8061F71C20 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.11)[0.107,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.57)[0.567,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: sermon-archive.info]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.39)[0.393,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:09:54 -0000 -- Doug > On 14 December 2018, at 12:45, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:28:28 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: >> [...] >> Or you can boot from a CD, bring the system from the network and run >> from there... >> [...] >> It has been working since FreeBSD 1, I think... >=20 > A whole preinstalled and preconfigured GUI desktop system > (with the choice of 2 or 3 different environments) including > various application programs, booting fron a CD (650 MB capacity) > has been provided by FreeSBIE. If I remember correctly, that was > on FreeBSD 5 or 6... :-) >=20 mfsBSD is a live system on a memstick. It is available for FreeBSD = 12.0. I haven't used this version yet, but the 11.1 version has been = used quite a few times.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 00:24:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BA313263E2 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D52D7269A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id s12so6575884wrt.4 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mChPRpJ8ii83UfeOkO01mmHV/Qiunc/GXjmEt8w7gnM=; b=NbOIvj7tXmdQAdbRlKbotLE/oKPgnHRgR3Vjt/Zvt7o9I1GChFn5TwarmbRFqnHwnn XPjji0BN6TTG3x9DzJiEESRCBfcOFs08SPJVg7WdCtIDMaRYkKXlGvi18zDqjmIIsxaS WXVmxZkGNm34Ai3TL4JTvWoQTZWTFPDdZLbTUTje8jZqCkpa/cOmkM8B1VVkFrgI65R6 eSAb0E4ybu6b5LE4uE+zEnm5EjbJIG/9KXyaZwC2x791yh3gzCzTlmlRXL4Sgl8pT7C7 tTQt29NdSR6cId+1gi+Ak5xZvZWCbUXV27NmpZUHws87b77TViie/TGKHX/mB8oUmFyG t4Ow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mChPRpJ8ii83UfeOkO01mmHV/Qiunc/GXjmEt8w7gnM=; b=XIeHF5Ert/kIyHk4/hSJ15hotbz7FPspUcPm/mNE5cCFfKZ75hZaBXWr58aaXgF6+p 7zVPXPfzww/bDa5yZ94kQOtYjTUVfy8aHTfKF2feukmu50c63gXgzDYwZQqCARbIhEcj 7KUkYCWO+q6V4cwxQIyeDXawKcAg4y4mxaKwHdiGHQByq3xAXvGLyWD2V6W+YL+rbbhm u0bHQ7G81myAEu9v4W051Nd+OYeZP+CTZvnqx6QVpQ1h9VbnBpjBe/UOkh6O1kEmq5QI jYcJgxrb64WbsTLC7/ZwPgTQJHaXWYWXpJj3F5jdWfyN8SRGy19ZWskiTEai4dL2jHTN 0fCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaoVfhaBiTc/1I54aBphkQx7/2HBAG6lPbm+t9duRtXbRrtmSpC WU1hMafLAmv3ZAZnUKoNfaMzytKcrajMgS9dCp8Ik/g7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Xybkz3OZpJyJAySVT88vKmF0pNF88zgVA0OfmMa3QtZJ+St5LXYPAV5ha+O2f/3HvpnZzQT/+7PNJ9msCz84M= X-Received: by 2002:adf:b649:: with SMTP id i9mr4283153wre.70.1544833455751; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:fa0f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Mehler Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:24:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: flavor set to python 3.6 but still getting python 2.7 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7D52D7269A X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NbOIvj7t; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.402,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.59)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.54), asn: 15169(-1.32), country: US(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:24:18 -0000 Hello, I'm running 11.2, i've got python 3.6 set in DEFAULT_VERSIONS of make.conf for both python and python3 I thought i'd just be getting python 3.6 and it's package, but a a port is pulling in python 2.7. Is this right? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 01:52:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B311132AD21 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 01:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECEE8763BC for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 01:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gXz85-0007Qr-0z; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:52:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:52:32 -0700 From: The Doctor To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: stable php Message-ID: <20181215015232.GB17525@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ECEE8763BC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: CA(-0.09)]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.80)[0.801,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.46)[0.462,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: doctor.nl2k.ab.ca]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.79)[0.788,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 01:52:43 -0000 On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 03:25:43PM -0500, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using FreeBSD 11.2. Currently I have Php 5.6 going but it's > reaching end of life so I'm needing to upgrade. Versions of Php 7.0 > and 7.1 look like I'll be having the same upgrade sooner than I'd > like. That leaves me with Php 7.2 or 7.3. To those running either > which is the stable production-ready version? > 7.2 . > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Merry Christmas 2018 and Happy New Year 2019!! 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I don't have three separate lines in my /etc/make.conf this is what I have: # default version to use when certain ports are pulled in as dependencies DEFAULT_VERSIONS+= ssl=openssl apache=2.4 mysql=5.7 php=7.3 python=3.6 python3=3.6 perl5=5.26 Thanks. Dave. On 12/15/18, Carmel NY wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:24:15 -0500, David Mehler stated: > >>Hello, >> >>I'm running 11.2, i've got python 3.6 set in DEFAULT_VERSIONS of >>make.conf for both python and python3 I thought i'd just be getting >>python 3.6 and it's package, but a a port is pulling in python 2.7. Is >>this right? >> >>Thanks. >>Dave. >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Is your notation in this form: > > # Possible values: 2.7, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6 > DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=python=3.6 > > # Possible values: 2.7 > DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=python2=2.7 > > # Possible values: 3.4, 3.5, 3.6 > DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=python3=3.6 > > -- > Carmel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 11:39:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823DD1343502 for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/12/2018 00:24, David Mehler wrote: > I'm running 11.2, i've got python 3.6 set in DEFAULT_VERSIONS of > make.conf for both python and python3 I thought i'd just be getting > python 3.6 and it's package, but a a port is pulling in python 2.7. Is > this right? Which port is pulling in python-2.7? A very few ports are still incompatible with python-3.6 and those would cause python-2.7 to be pulled in. That shouldn't be a problem, as you can have parallel python-2.7 and python-3.6 installs very readily. On the other hand, if the port that is pulling in python-2.7 is meant to be python-3.6 capable, then it's probably something in your setup that needs modification. How exactly are you installing ports / pkgs? If you are building your own pkg repo, then you'll need to make sure everything that depends on python is rebuilt. poudriere will do this rebuild automatically. Pkgs that depend directly on python should have a name change from py27-* or *-py27 to py36-* or *-py36 and will need to be reinstalled -- on the whole pkg(8) should mostly be able to handle that automatically, but it may need some things to be force updated to help it along. 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.80)[ipnet: 40.64.0.0/10(-1.92), asn: 8075(-2.00), country: US(-0.08)]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[93.9.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:38:40 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:24:15 -0500, David Mehler stated: >Hello, > >I'm running 11.2, i've got python 3.6 set in DEFAULT_VERSIONS of >make.conf for both python and python3 I thought i'd just be getting >python 3.6 and it's package, but a a port is pulling in python 2.7. Is >this right? > >Thanks. >Dave. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" Is your notation in this form: # Possible values: 2.7, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6 DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dpython=3D3.6 # Possible values: 2.7 DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dpython2=3D2.7 # Possible values: 3.4, 3.5, 3.6 DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dpython3=3D3.6 --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 11:50:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744DD1343B32 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 11:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ixbug@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 896036D0A4 for ; 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I did change hard drive with bad condition with the SSD drive and I am ready for the new install of FreeBSD which I am using on the desktop computer which is iMac. On the FreeBSD forum are many complains about new 12.0 release and I am not sure if is safe to install it or install the 11.2 which worked for me all the time. 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Please go to : https:// www.mydailyhoroscope.ovh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 15:36:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C92B132328E for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thorsten23@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3447475B3A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thorsten23@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id n190so8379698wmd.0 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=BR/IPTiekA+eiQUGovopA4isNd3bUV3OD+qvBFEyS7Y=; b=hujb+YmpXDEwM2Md83r0K+Il28Cd+wRB1nkrhkTbXXymeT6jSvv6E38P+Xp8FmoKkO 1m91YXZAbR73yfoP4N8eYwSm6dKT6qcmkrVEiSDRkFrc8ezx8pJSkH/myEJkQKe/wE4h yYh5eflrRZFszeCxsMHGO74+Lzl8DjDBNbBsna2Sm8S5hhGn2+gvVtPUv2h062tA/4KS LofuG2BaclFg6lffQCWMZ4cnyCPCmnyZjEvCKN4NgdnJNPlabFFHsWP/aIrHosQg6yxZ 0yVLkz8lCdNO8V0ZyCBC1VwqgTQC3KirBzpkDWDVc6nnAYlizMIZdl2jXkzKXkAvC2a/ kGyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYoWFP+wVtPbOxVOpSvNPBdzO81ut43G00SPJlMIBspHAtWcQBO 6rDM8LdWKV9UisJqmdY7+fQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W4pPpGewo1f/Bd9c6/kDtCd5ZfvdLNcy/Gy9yeZ0KsvMWqWn30QO6ZzKwB7ADfKiK9svfYDg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:3c06:: with SMTP id j6mr5977767wma.27.1544888188803; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from manjaro ([2a02:810d:aabf:f708:71c6:3fe9:5054:2878]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v19sm16107815wrd.46.2018.12.15.07.36.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Thorsten X-Google-Original-From: Thorsten Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 16:36:24 +0100 To: bc979@lafn.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenSSL issue with 12.0 Message-ID: <20181215153624.GA10254@manjaro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <301BB987-72B3-407F-B497-F109D4FA5BB1@mail.sermon-archive.info> User-Agent: Mutt 1.11.1 (2018-12-01) (UNIX) (Linux 4.19.8-2-MANJARO (unknown)) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3447475B3A X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com,alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.59)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-1.53), asn: 15169(-1.33), country: US(-0.08)]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:36:31 -0000 Openssl 1.1 changed digest to sha-256 Openssl 1.0 used md5 I guess, your file was made with md5, so try: > openssl enc -d -aes256 -md md5 -in xxx.enc Hope, I could help. Thorsten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 15 23:01:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E441331DA2 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40B68BAD2 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43HNFz5v7Rz2fjQw; Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:01:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12.0 or 11.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20181215080851.6bf4b0d3@yandex.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:01:43 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C631EC0-7717-4B2E-8A21-D9B75F366D34@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20181215080851.6bf4b0d3@yandex.com> To: starikarp@yandex.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F40B68BAD2 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.05)[-0.053,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.08)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[sermon-archive.info]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.191,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.46)[0.458,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yandex.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,srs0=wgbf=oy=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:01:52 -0000 > On 15 December 2018, at 05:08, starikarp@yandex.com wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > I did change hard drive with bad condition with the SSD drive and I am > ready for the new install of FreeBSD which I am using on the desktop > computer which is iMac. > On the FreeBSD forum are many complains about new 12.0 release and I = am > not sure if is safe to install it or install the 11.2 which worked for > me all the time. That depends on how you are using it. 12.0 is a major system upgrade. = There are a number of changes in various parts of the system. This is = normal for a major system upgrade. It can make it a bit difficult if = you have lots of your own code and it relies on something that has = changed. The defaults for openssl have changed, and basename_r has been = eliminated. My code was relying on both of those. I have had to make = changes. Figuring out the cause of the problems does take some effort. = It's not seamless. However, the base system seems to be quite stable. = I have been beating it about since it came out and have not seen any = issues other than the deliberate changes. It would be nice if all those = changes were documented, but I suspect that document would be so long no = one would have the time to read it anyway. You are going to have to go = to 12 sometime. You can kick the can down the road a bit and hope you = have more time available then to deal with any issues. However, in my = experience that doesn't work. I never have more time down the road. -- Doug