From owner-freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 06:48:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B5F14E241F for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2CD7019F for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7E33014E241E; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3AC14E241D for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B7667019E for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [203.31.81.59] ([203.31.81.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id x1J6lm16056722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:17:54 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: No man pages by default From: "Daniel O'Connor" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:17:48 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "tcltk@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 203.31.81.10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7B7667019E X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doconnor@gsoft.com.au designates 203.31.81.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doconnor@gsoft.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.10)[-0.103,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:203.31.81.0/24]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gsoft.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.63)[-0.631,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.90)[0.899,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.gsoft.com.au]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[asn: 4739(0.35), country: AU(-0.04)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4739, ipnet:203.31.81.0/24, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Tcl/Tk discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:48:19 -0000 Oops a co-worker reminded me I asked this in the past :) A suggestion then was to use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid collisions with = multiple Tcl versions being installed simultaneously so I'll see about = creating patches to do that. > On 19 Feb 2019, at 17:02, Daniel O'Connor = wrote: >=20 > Hi, > We use Tcl/Tk on FreeBSD for a lot of work things (running radar = systems) and one annoying bug bear is the lack of man pages by default. >=20 > The commit to disable them = (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=3Drevision&revision=3D229081) = doesn't say why so I was wondering if anyone knew, and if there would be = any objections to changing the default? >=20 > We would very much like to transition to using FreeBSD default = packages wherever possible and this would be very helpful. >=20 > I did have a look in bugzilla but I couldn't find anything (apart from = a few name conflicts which were fixed with some man page renames). >=20 > Any information / feedback much appreciated. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > -- > Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer > for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au > "The nice thing about standards is that there > are so many of them to choose from." > -- Andrew Tanenbaum >=20 >=20 >=20 -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum From owner-freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 06:50:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE21614E24FC for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D99670202 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0774A14E24FB; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92F914E24F9 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEA8170201 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [203.31.81.59] ([203.31.81.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id x1J6X08F055935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:03:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:02:59 +1030 Subject: No man pages by default Message-Id: To: "tcltk@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 203.31.81.10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EEA8170201 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doconnor@gsoft.com.au designates 203.31.81.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doconnor@gsoft.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.12)[-0.117,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:203.31.81.0/24]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gsoft.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.62)[-0.624,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.906,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.gsoft.com.au]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.06)[asn: 4739(0.35), country: AU(-0.04)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4739, ipnet:203.31.81.0/24, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Tcl/Tk discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:13 -0000 Hi, We use Tcl/Tk on FreeBSD for a lot of work things (running radar = systems) and one annoying bug bear is the lack of man pages by default. The commit to disable them = (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=3Drevision&revision=3D229081) = doesn't say why so I was wondering if anyone knew, and if there would be = any objections to changing the default? We would very much like to transition to using FreeBSD default packages = wherever possible and this would be very helpful. I did have a look in bugzilla but I couldn't find anything (apart from a = few name conflicts which were fixed with some man page renames). Any information / feedback much appreciated. Thanks. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum From owner-freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 08:59:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0C414E62D3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116177460E for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C631014E62CF; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B498514E62CE for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (ptrcrt.ch [IPv6:2a02:2770:8:0:21a:4aff:fe7e:c6be]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 221167460C for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (mail.ptrcrt.ch [192.168.1.1]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a73965e8; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptrcrt.ch (mail.ptrcrt.ch [192.168.1.1]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9968cbac TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:58:59 +0000 From: Pietro Cerutti To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: "tcltk@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No man pages by default Message-ID: <20190219085859.tqltpq42i3tsppjl@ptrcrt.ch> Reply-To: Pietro Cerutti References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: fp="546D E77C FA14 CEA4 480A D7FA 4099 3B5A 4A8F 3F12"; id="0x40993B5A4A8F3F12"; get=; get=; get=; get= OpenPGP: id=40993B5A4A8F3F12; url=https://gahr.ch/pgp/0x40993B5A4A8F3F12.txt; url=https://keybase.io/gahr/key.asc User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716-1175-d2e9dc X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 221167460C X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Tcl/Tk discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 -0000 On Feb 19 2019, 06:47 UTC, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >Oops a co-worker reminded me I asked this in the past :) > >A suggestion then was to use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid collisions with >multiple Tcl versions being installed simultaneously so I'll see about >creating patches to do that. Hi Daniel, the Tcl/Tk ports already use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid conflicts when installing multiple versions. Moreover, man pages don't imply any additional dependencies and the additional disk space needed is in my opinion reasonable (lang/tcl86 is 7.66MiB without vs. 8.74MiB with manpages on my system). Given these reasons, I have changed the default options of Tcl/Tk 85, 86 and 87 so that man pages are installed by default. Additionally, I have also enabled the installation of TZ data by default. The relevant commit is r493355. Thanks, > >> On 19 Feb 2019, at 17:02, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >> Hi, >> We use Tcl/Tk on FreeBSD for a lot of work things (running radar >> systems) and one annoying bug bear is the lack of man pages by >> default. >> >> The commit to disable them >> (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revision&revision=229081) >> doesn't say why so I was wondering if anyone knew, and if there would >> be any objections to changing the default? >> >> We would very much like to transition to using FreeBSD default >> packages wherever possible and this would be very helpful. >> >> I did have a look in bugzilla but I couldn't find anything (apart >> from a few name conflicts which were fixed with some man page >> renames). >> >> Any information / feedback much appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer >> for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au >> "The nice thing about standards is that there >> are so many of them to choose from." >> -- Andrew Tanenbaum >> -- Pietro Cerutti From owner-freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 11:12:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7940B14ECC69 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC7E829C3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E245214ECC5F; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE15A14ECC5B for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46C1E829B6; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [10.0.2.26] ([118.210.27.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id x1JBBp3p080694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:41:57 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: No man pages by default From: "Daniel O'Connor" In-Reply-To: <20190219085859.tqltpq42i3tsppjl@ptrcrt.ch> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:41:50 +1030 Cc: "tcltk@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B7FF9D6-E4F4-4FFD-BF87-6CC5A738A95C@gsoft.com.au> References: <20190219085859.tqltpq42i3tsppjl@ptrcrt.ch> To: Pietro Cerutti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Spam-Score: -0.022 () BAYES_00,HELO_MISC_IP,RDNS_NONE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 203.31.81.10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46C1E829B6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.64 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.64)[-0.642,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Tcl/Tk discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:12:20 -0000 > On 19 Feb 2019, at 19:28, Pietro Cerutti wrote: > On Feb 19 2019, 06:47 UTC, Daniel O'Connor = wrote: >> Oops a co-worker reminded me I asked this in the past :) >>=20 >> A suggestion then was to use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid collisions with = multiple Tcl versions being installed simultaneously so I'll see about = creating patches to do that. >=20 > Hi Daniel, >=20 > the Tcl/Tk ports already use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid conflicts when = installing multiple versions. Moreover, man pages don't imply any = additional dependencies and the additional disk space needed is in my = opinion reasonable (lang/tcl86 is 7.66MiB without vs. 8.74MiB with = manpages on my system). >=20 > Given these reasons, I have changed the default options of Tcl/Tk 85, = 86 and 87 so that man pages are installed by default. Well, that was easy, thanks :) > Additionally, I have also enabled the installation of TZ data by = default. OK, to be honest I have no idea what that does - I always assumed it = just used the base TZ data which was up to date anyway so it was not a = particularly valuable option. > The relevant commit is r493355. Thanks again! > Thanks, >=20 >>=20 >>> On 19 Feb 2019, at 17:02, Daniel O'Connor = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>> We use Tcl/Tk on FreeBSD for a lot of work things (running radar = systems) and one annoying bug bear is the lack of man pages by default. >>>=20 >>> The commit to disable them = (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=3Drevision&revision=3D229081) = doesn't say why so I was wondering if anyone knew, and if there would be = any objections to changing the default? >>>=20 >>> We would very much like to transition to using FreeBSD default = packages wherever possible and this would be very helpful. >>>=20 >>> I did have a look in bugzilla but I couldn't find anything (apart = from a few name conflicts which were fixed with some man page renames). >>>=20 >>> Any information / feedback much appreciated. >>>=20 >>> Thanks. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer >>> for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au >>> "The nice thing about standards is that there >>> are so many of them to choose from." >>> -- Andrew Tanenbaum >>>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Pietro Cerutti -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum