From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Jan 7 14:42:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AA21E9E23 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47sZps5Nnxz4C4k for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B8E341E9E22; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A8E1E9E20 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f175.google.com (mail-il1-f175.google.com [209.85.166.175]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47sZpr6ltcz4C4g for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f175.google.com with SMTP id t8so45908766iln.4 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=b9Di75h/VxXWNr6lZHaC47PvfxaWH24MRAvarTeEPoE=; b=c7kMRhvrfF+Y/CmAWly9iQL6MQdd+F7cqMOlYJKeadcSUOPA7YtMsxxFEc3iKPEoH1 wZ32eJDVVN6wryl1xYo2j0cM58JAfL3qZ1pd18TZVWgv4v8WL4SMyb2k2W3X1TaXvZV6 8TfxzEo3nLOpg8pHgND8SI3L4RheHZZtwrScIDQ0i4gLTAQ/VwdaPuzwqLQXwQyT/mv5 Sb0PZUJSSsB8Rbib2Jc/ReI5R1PXljEcrKpbBnSHsP9H/c+34nhxvQTUVhvXcAGe+R6H APHavQFDf/bSdCDz2Ivxkc2okgqhz1ARPnaKkIInpp2zRnOVvcnxCHpDsMg3+DK9fFeH uAWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWP3OggosADKJCexZajxe95ijN1L9/hyx8Q1v7mL9yt0QfadIJe ADlzZPEBQfV7td0PBsjjFdXEHLCdXvgTwwaVeJ7EMw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw9ztSbxyeJ2N+l6OAls8C+KXXGZRIssrIAH5iSQOmG7dvjuj6MYC/KZ1PAPHZSF0EPAXzPUGe0bfe4JjFyfEg= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5cda:: with SMTP id d87mr94859612ilg.100.1578408146751; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 06:42:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline To: sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47sZpr6ltcz4C4g X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[sparc64@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[175.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.98)[ip: (-4.90), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.10), asn: 15169(-1.85), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[175.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:42:30 -0000 Important note from freebsd-arch regarding sparc64: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 01:56 Subject: Re: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:00 AM Warner Losh wrote: [...] When we started this, all mips, all powerpc, some arm versions and sparc64 were the problem children that still required gcc 4.2.1 for various reasons. Since then, all the platforms except sparc64 have made excellent progress. Nothing non-trivial has been done for sparc64. None of the platforms, except sparc64, requires gcc 4.2.1 any more. There are issues here and there to sort out, but the list is massively reduced from when we started, and people are actively working on (or have credibly signed up to work on) everything in mips, arm, and powerpc land. We've learned many things we didn't know when we started, and some of those issues are still in flight. well done for all the hard work. sparc64 stands out as an outlier. No non-triival work has been done on it, as I've said. I think that unless there's some massive amount of work done on sparc64, in secret, it's time to just remove the port. It's been getting in the way of forward progress for a long time. It's time to admit there's no maintainer that's actively maintaining and remove it from the tree. In addition to not running on relevant sparc hardware, it's broken and a tax on all forward progress on kernel work that has a MD component to it. The many cries of 'I'll do something' over the past several years have resulted in no actual contributions. in-tree gcc 4.2.1 is also no longer required for forward progress on arm, mips, and powerpc. libunwind from gcc is still used by 32-bit arm, however, since the compiler_rt version is broken. So I'd like to propose we alter the above schedule in light of new information we gleaned from executing the first half of it. First, we schedule the removal of sparc64 for 2020-01-31. Nobody has done anything at all on it to date, making it a significant outlier when measured against the other architectures. It's pointless to wait another 4 months to remove it when there's no evidence to suggest there will be any work done on it. It's hindering some kernel work being done that has MD components, which means we should speed up its removal if truly nobody has the time to do the work needed to keep the port viable. Second, all other platforms still have the original deadlines to sort out the last lingering issues with the external toolchain and/or clang. mips is a bit up in the air right now since both the external toolchain and clang have issues (though different issues). powerpc 32-bit is sorting out issues as well. arm 32-bit still needs libunwind from gcc. An end of May deadline is ample time for works in progress to get to the point where everything boots and runs sufficiently well to show the platforms are still viable. Third, we should move up the removal of gcc 4.2.1 to 2020-02-29 as well, with a deadline of 2020-01-31 for someone to publish a github branch that removes gcc for wide-spread testing. An exception to the gcc rule should be made for libunwind until that can be sorted out. Fourth, we keep the deadline for release integration to external toolchain the same at 202-07-31. As far as I know, no work has begun on this, so we may need to reevaluate it again in 4 months after we've completed the transition on all the other tier 2 platforms. In summary: 2020-01-31: start removing sparc64 support from the tree gcc removal test tree published in github 2020-02-29: remove gcc, assuming no unexpected issues with its removal remain 2020-05-31: deadline for all other architectures to sort out the last remaining issues with external toolchain and/or clang and show multiuser booting 2020-07-31: deadline for the supporters of tier 2 architectures to get any changes in to the re@ release build process for those requiring external toolchain support An informal poll on IRC suggests there will be wide-spread support for these alterations to the schedule. This email casts a wider net to test the validity of that hypothesis. From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Jan 7 20:19:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B241F1C1E for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47skJB509Rz4ZNB for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id AB44B1F1C1B; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C461F1C1A; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f67.google.com (mail-io1-f67.google.com [209.85.166.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47skJ95C1tz4ZN9; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f67.google.com with SMTP id n11so679252iom.9; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eJw9adBFcZs/BojmCwPMaKg+1WhwxcsjKuMFMd7sl88=; b=ZpjvAaByR1ixZk5mpQivUq0zXyNTrbra/t/P6fuPOnioPMtgnkJIvuF5cUfKxdlQag pEEl3Mw8ZMw2P1AJFjkkHUOGlOJrxGlZkpDYP7gI1pkGAp2SqDPiSepc+ongRHmFTpIg lYyYXz9Jwyt7m/Mdh1sKtZuJiLLkc63/OyA8NlKwmScqO/dDF472jNLn89IB2GdyeqzY eZA+lx2zv+M22PfPhF8ndsIJqEU5vhmCwVl5tkPhM0vRTQVvMePabqFg+hq/RkzDv20e RrgCDEsxAFQjwCGdOIKcbaBmpqUEZECdzznlQkgkFczEO7/4xrc9IWY2FkPmSSBHG7T7 a/6g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUcAGSBYbKj8eCpqZU/f1dOxa8DFSsl9aHAi0me+s7J8Hlz5shc D0OVMBcVHrIWj/Ccq/kzf+fJJ9lnpZ49B0cP34o+puoz X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy2fYl85cz1I1joaelv7BhvyCKfQK8CMx2LgLEw7gJEcutJV1ZX/mVlm2EGKZ+5LUoUeD4lZoDHtBnca6nH/gg= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:39d4:: with SMTP id g203mr674592ioa.100.1578428392644; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 15:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline To: Warner Losh , Michal Meloun , sparc64@freebsd.org Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47skJ95C1tz4ZN9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[67.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.23)[ip: (-1.13), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.10), asn: 15169(-1.85), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[67.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 20:19:55 -0000 On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 01:56, Warner Losh wrote: > > Third, we should move up the removal of gcc 4.2.1 to 2020-02-29 as well, > with a deadline of 2020-01-31 for someone to publish a github branch that > removes gcc for wide-spread testing. An exception to the gcc rule should be > made for libunwind until that can be sorted out. In PR 233664 mmel@ reports that the previous issues with libunwind on armv6/armv7 are no longer reproducible, and both will be switched over soon. So there should be no trouble with gcc 4.2.1's removal except for the sparc64 issues, which include at least: PR 233405 libunwind PR 239851 BSD crtbegin PR 243119 binutils 2.33.1,1 assertion failure (but it has a patch!) From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Wed Jan 8 22:09:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B11FC9BC for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47tNhG6QrCz4DHC for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DAA441FC9BA; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D832A1FC9B9; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f178.google.com (mail-il1-f178.google.com [209.85.166.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47tNhF5cqXz4DHB; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f178.google.com with SMTP id x5so4001400ila.6; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 14:09:33 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nr182U6p5PMpL7ExCjs8uKfUvS7e3+lU1kYUAJozqqo=; b=P7AeMz66aNkd2wzoaQGjC4mlAqfyZacT4IHusLZwkOc1T2wV3k+8cNCM/3svf3iGo6 c+8RvQmNAkVUouT31HQ1yG4o13xRIBIR3x1Lq18OBkrgSfRC2UQ1KzZKXxak8JjZ9SKZ XSdGSjow30e92WxwPjcaFDbZUhZkZaI45t1lPAMt21LvwLZFQNmUw+z65lmsQ1CJCZRv PpD5MKQqdbODnk5DElNQ7NxYBypEETps1nGXmC7VsCS+uLyHPFqAZEEcbJT17scJEhDQ S+qTvtrCZRnMicgOlfdL6QVLyxR1eG3gQ3sMfGc++NPrA17HsNY8XnXhh/1zC+sm5yqO PyNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVfwb8cM2JCw5QU8uVWGFYPYzu5L3N8BOWfjI/scsKVJITiuHYF 0Bt134G8A87Lkc2byeZYmR7kC/3ZTLjNKJMMb7XCiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzvV/O/yl2zgMioEgpVx5BWzEeFZapoLzFZnK6AACF02mdSS3cxtxFTozPXWi0gDBLObq+Ue5w9GN5vKsl4mgQ= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5c52:: with SMTP id q79mr5565850ilb.11.1578521372585; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 14:09:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline To: Warner Losh , Michal Meloun , sparc64@freebsd.org Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47tNhF5cqXz4DHB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[178.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.30)[ip: (-6.51), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.10), asn: 15169(-1.85), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[178.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 22:09:35 -0000 On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 15:19, Ed Maste wrote: > > PR 233405 libunwind I've somewhat addressed this today, committing (untested) build fixes from cem@. Someone with an interest in sparc64 and access to hardware will need to test and investigate any failures. > PR 239851 BSD crtbegin This is now the main blocking issue. > PR 243119 binutils 2.33.1,1 assertion failure (but it has a patch!) A fixed binutils package should be available in a week or so. 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From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 20:27:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB41F2D8F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47vZK16d86z46S7 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E18F01F2D8B; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02BA1F2D8A; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f182.google.com (mail-il1-f182.google.com [209.85.166.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vZK05Psrz46S5; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f182.google.com with SMTP id s15so2821158iln.1; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:27:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WZamMQcPL+wn9Qcicj3UH0jnzgNGjSPMbzbvADcsd6Y=; b=WXHcXT9IOc6jgztUCVGepdCaWLk02p1lHqZ/rlSBN9Hqpd7Tr8EghfrMBDuaZ6j+u9 5y237MpifMTs/9q9LPeaPa8dyTuvzx1PKwmqFil2MrWKuy0y3wRVc8YN/9gffjmVVxJE cqiBV0F0Sjmwhc56NLfjolA80x813jTCNyq6UeTbR8MdQnsUMoPN/ihjlthOr0utVNyx 1d4TBvSeadhQYYcIdIg+vUcYYxJifF3U2E1H4wo+/e+K1JFCfFmlO5G4rkCiAHknzLNy Plzj6lvG0YVNYzduPYQmzqiPIt3uTgk7k0OAUuDJKoe7QSrCdnqRCXkTfnS5p9s9oc9n 8KrA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXhYnSbbxR6Dt39QZ+t8/+7ErqajPNsfBSJYIcLP7677jKaT1MI pn9ZOPgqX8ENBsmYr1qf+D6KwbwR+HAR2ccY+38= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxZ0+CH2WmqHnGElx0gXU9DfbQrr85T9aICXdWGu1qqK2ZYkQ53od/RCHv3lAzNsLmRzQuZQgXdULSbpf8YmXw= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d982:: with SMTP id r2mr4065497iln.98.1578688019774; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:26:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline To: Warner Losh , sparc64@freebsd.org Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vZK05Psrz46S5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[182.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.25)[ip: (-6.29), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.09), asn: 15169(-1.84), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[182.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 20:27:02 -0000 On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Ed Maste wrote: > > I've been staging my gcc 4.2.1 deorbit work at > https://github.com/emaste/freebsd/tree/deorbit-gcc; I'll force-push it > on occasion after related changes make it into svn. I've put the first version of these changes into Phabricator now: 1. retire BSD_CRTBEGIN option https://reviews.freebsd.org/D23122 2. retire LLVM_LIBUNWIND option https://reviews.freebsd.org/D23123 3. rm GCC 4.2.1 build infrastructure https://reviews.freebsd.org/D23124 In my WIP branch the next two commits remove contrib/gcc and contrib/gcclibs. From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 09:52:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801AB223D8F for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47vwBc757dz3K1B for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id F3009223D8C; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19D6223D8B; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au) Received: from mail.mesoft.com.au (mail.mesoft.com.au [103.58.32.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.mesoft.com.au", Issuer "mail.mesoft.com.au" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vwBV5gy0z3K18; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au) Received: from msmacpro.sydney.mesoft.com.au (116-212-68-179.i3.net.au [116.212.68.179] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.mesoft.com.au (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00B9qGpt002950 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:52:17 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: Gcc 4.2.1 to be removed before FreeBSD 13, a firm timeline From: MeSOFT Corporate Email In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:52:16 +1100 Cc: Warner Losh , Michal Meloun , sparc64@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C4A2C18-4F49-4830-A974-6A6DA725A59A@mesoft.com.au> References: To: Ed Maste X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vwBV5gy0z3K18 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bmeyer@mesoft.com.au designates 103.58.32.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bmeyer@mesoft.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.58.32.100]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[mesoft.com.au]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: AU(0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:134203, ipnet:103.58.32.0/24, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:52:42 -0000 > On 9 Jan 2020, at 09:09, Ed Maste wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 15:19, Ed Maste wrote: >>=20 >> PR 233405 libunwind >=20 > I've somewhat addressed this today, committing (untested) build fixes > from cem@. Someone with an interest in sparc64 and access to hardware > will need to test and investigate any failures. >=20 >> PR 239851 BSD crtbegin >=20 > This is now the main blocking issue. >=20 >> PR 243119 binutils 2.33.1,1 assertion failure (but it has a patch!) >=20 > A fixed binutils package should be available in a week or so. I=E2=80=99ll be back on Thursday next week (presently away) so if anyone = has not looked by then, I=E2=80=99ll be able to have a look then. =20 /BGM