From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Sun Dec 27 22:30:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7BD4C9079 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me+freebsd@igalic.co) Received: from mail-40136.protonmail.ch (mail-40136.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D3wPT4v3fz3pRn for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me+freebsd@igalic.co) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 22:30:36 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalic.co; s=protonmail2; t=1609108245; bh=jgo18nf6vU8m4dERl7fjkMIn3hodx56v2J9+NGWFqq4=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=VSGy8piBNMWl26t9Jb4RhfTXOK8+SeB6MXdaHDSIHuUgji6v9T1xljvZL6ssZZMBf eeskSTEjcdBY54M+eKmJm6wa0Ndpurv5u/O8ZukjESMfZVCKuNgRSsUAqzR6PNAMlG vtmSkEgQ6YRHzf2DNxJtuqxKe76EZU+92G4CEaq3ekCLPhsswEaHx6vl0CoSqxvYjt hQnSJPeir4RvUK4Rwg2mCRomqlMBIObWnQSHG3Z4+SSRYQrOEiTI/QWj3xRsu7lU3C z1RHC+9iAfyJBVX8YaJ3zZkrsnBylKfnK3NQhpNadiIfMdrWwSPafB7NHWYtTmhUCD H2slq3h5uxv9A== To: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" From: =?utf-8?Q?Mina_Gali=C4=87?= Reply-To: =?utf-8?Q?Mina_Gali=C4=87?= Subject: Unofficial PkgBase Repository Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NEW_DOMAIN_28D, URIBL_FRESH_28D_SURBL shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D3wPT4v3fz3pRn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=igalic.co header.s=protonmail2 header.b=VSGy8piB; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of me@igalic.co designates 185.70.40.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=me@igalic.co X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[me+freebsd@igalic.co]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[igalic.co:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[185.70.40.136:from]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(1.00)[subject]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[igalic.co:s=protonmail2]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[me]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[igalic.co]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.70.40.136:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.70.40.136:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase] X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 22:30:55 -0000 Hi folks, Recently I've been working on on building a PkgBase repository The repository is in good enough shape now that I believe it can be announc= ed publicly! https://alpha.pkgbase.live/ is built with poudriere and serves -CURRENT packages for AMD64 and AARCH64. The host itself is still updated with https://up.bsd.lv/ but the jail servi= ng the packages is built and updated with PkgBase. It's hosted on a vServer at Hetzner in Helsinki There's still a number of things to do before I'd consider the repository p= roduction quality, hence the domain name. Two of the most important ones are: - Package Signing: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D27690 - HTTP Caching of packages: https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/751 I will add more more architectures when I hear your feedback on what you wo= uld like to see. It would also be nice to add "production" builds `WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS` = and `WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION`. it just feels=E2=80=A6 wrong until 13 STABLE is branched =F0=9F=98=85 Happy testing! Looking forward to your feedback. p.s.: if it feels slow, blame virtio + vnet Best regards, Mina Gali=C4=87 Web: https://igalic.co/ From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Mon Dec 28 13:38:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C344B4EB3 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-lists@klop.ws) Received: from smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl (smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl [194.109.157.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D4JXr1Dsjz3hww for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-lists@klop.ws) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:38:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=klop.ws; s=rw2; t=1609162712; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=fSdoJdmf4XSYrH1WRflmek8+vVlx4dbvSNRCsidkdxo=; b=aEcFMdW8DFCSHIsdw2JgnxVMPIuimkN2YhVc6tPfCuxkAf8z/YBT18//ZbSuTyTliEGanT ml1GNaT4IM6m57wx+Qx/ukkDHWSu8ERwoYIvHyaj6nKccPc5Nr1Ujcn/gGQOH8LZf2HtuD qAf3YLolSVkNt3EktfSlHEr/YrJu/VxtWDb/RD5F3nMlpSqEJoDdkvZSna7f5OMIrblDVL q/p503uVipZ7gIiq5yqJW1GbWyKbEJOpllvAO0v7DKoCqaThyE2W0Ot+sWvLsLzuxSULNZ usUeFjcnibpDWUK3mJT2KHsNa8hHPB7D3LpQxLTQD6Ps+reg8qN3s3KG0EQHUg== From: Ronald Klop To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Message-ID: <578804822.1.1609162712803@localhost> Subject: make packages failure (make[4]: don't know how to make create-kernel-packages) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Realworks (540.140.d3f49d9ddd0) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D4JXr1Dsjz3hww X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=klop.ws header.s=rw2 header.b=aEcFMdW8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=klop.ws; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ronald-lists@klop.ws designates 194.109.157.24 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ronald-lists@klop.ws X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[194.109.157.24:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[klop.ws:s=rw2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.109.157.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[klop.ws:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[klop.ws,none]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[194.109.157.24:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.27)[-0.268]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:38:37 -0000 Hi, I've read https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase and setup a Jenkins for building. Make buildworld and buildkernel work nicely. Jenkins runs a remote agent with user "jenkins-agent". The build job uses this build script: export MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=${WORKSPACE}/obj make -j4 -DWITHOUT_CLEAN buildworld buildkernel make packages This rpi4 has: # grep -v ^# /etc/src.conf KERNCONF?=GENERIC-NODEBUG NO_INSTALLEXTRAKERNELS=no WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ALL=true WITHOUT_LPR=true WITHOUT_PROFILE=true WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=true WITHOUT_TESTS=true WITH_NAND=true And: # grep -v ^# /etc/make.conf WRKDIRPREFIX?=/data/ports-build DISTDIR?=/var/tmp/ports-build/distfiles PACKAGES?=/var/tmp/ports-build/packages USA_RESIDENT=NO WITHOUT_X11=true OPTIONS_UNSET+=X11 A4=yes WITH_A4=yes Nothing too weird I think. I get this error: 00:13:33.381 install -U -M /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/obj/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/arm64.aarch64/kernelstage/var/tmp/ports-build/distfiles/kernel.premeta -D /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/obj/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/arm64.aarch64/kernelstage/var/tmp/ports-build/distfiles -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 555 zlib.ko.debug /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/obj/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/arm64.aarch64/kernelstage/var/tmp/ports-build/distfiles/kernel/usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ 00:13:33.414 kldxref /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/obj/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/arm64.aarch64/kernelstage/var/tmp/ports-build/distfiles/kernel/boot/kernel 00:13:34.022 make[4]: "/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/Makefile.inc1" line 1873: warning: "/usr/bin/readlink /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/obj/home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current/repo/FreeBSD:13:aarch64/latest" returned non-zero status 00:13:34.067 make[4]: make[4]: don't know how to make create-kernel-packages. Stop 00:13:34.068 00:13:34.068 make[4]: stopped in /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current 00:13:34.069 *** [create-packages-kernel] Error code 2 00:13:34.069 00:13:34.069 make[3]: stopped in /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current 00:13:34.069 1 error 00:13:34.069 00:13:34.069 make[3]: stopped in /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current 00:13:34.071 *** [packages] Error code 2 00:13:34.071 00:13:34.071 make[1]: stopped in /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current 00:13:34.071 1 error 00:13:34.071 00:13:34.071 make[1]: stopped in /home/jenkins-agent/dev/dev/workspace/FreeBSD-Current 00:13:34.124 Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure 00:13:34.362 Finished: FAILURE What should I change? Regards, Ronald. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:58:08 -0000 Hi, The default name for pkgbase packages contains the date and time when the = build was started, e.g: ... FreeBSD-utilities-13.0.s20201228184847.txz FreeBSD-utilities-dev-13.0.s20201228184847.txz FreeBSD-vi-13.0.s20201228184847.txz FreeBSD-wpa-13.0.s20201228184847.txz ... I changed this, by redefining the PKG_VERSION in /etc/make.conf: PKG_VERSION=3D${_REVISION}.r$$(eval svnliteversion ${SRCDIR}) this resulted in these pkg names; ... FreeBSD-utilities-13.0.r368789.txz FreeBSD-utilities-dev-13.0.r368789.txz FreeBSD-vi-13.0.r368789.txz FreeBSD-wpa-13.0.r368789.txz ... After the switch to git, i tried to achieve something similar, but failed.= I tried this in /etc/make.conf: PKG_VERSION=3D${_REVISION}.$$(git -C ${SRCDIR} rev-parse --short HEAD) but the result was this: ... FreeBSD-utilities-13.0..txz FreeBSD-utilities-dev-13.0..txz FreeBSD-vi-13.0..txz FreeBSD-wpa-13.0..txz ... directly in the shell the command "git -C /usr/src rev-parse --short HEAD"= gives the result: 098dbd7ff But somehow, this does not get added to the PKG_VERSION variable. Did i mi= ss something? How can i debug this? And another question: is there a way, to list all the make variables which are used during the b= uild? Like ${_REVISION} or PKG_VERSION from above. =2D- Martin