From nobody Sat Jan 21 19:31:31 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Nzmhn08lNz2t2Gb for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stav@stav.cc) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Nzmhm5DN7z4lH1 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stav@stav.cc) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id k38so4375371lje.5 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:32:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stav.cc; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Jh11GQGjKxdDOKezPaXdYRXYY8p4HM2fsjaNoQ5eWv4=; b=AnEYABxQpRytF3t9o6/FlrTHKo13uBAt6ikFd0QWV/Agd8+UjEJG/ukR9i94qZF7ZW 0c0F0vXHw3BAW0PRnvSHnHBrRXhdmucUZLf1fUqiioBs5JN3DHY6VaAQKODplO8VYYec 0Zahj18Tp/8Cyf78bn2mzTg+JqQjeB3b1h0q3RU0YyegJInrcBvffS/pbn3VnmJH4fgn eTjpeVis5A039fpADxHUNoBchE/Z3KvXjdjGWNXdclBMSol8NeyykXdRIm5XgrA0s3Z5 fLY+rwG8ToIkhFr6lZe60oCmPNZ9CX/CSFOH7iTCLz3ry3uNSVibYnG3rN/sj06oIFWk mEnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Jh11GQGjKxdDOKezPaXdYRXYY8p4HM2fsjaNoQ5eWv4=; b=vJumvHTddG/V5ZbO43YBjcJUdV+kEABd5QOk2pfEXbY7s8d3BgVovRIsy6HMPO2oPS h/rv2RV4lDx9xHEHdQsz/3ulKXPfbSR3f7CKeXQb6BVsHhu2jlk3PDUv9Czh+WwMgkda +H+x3wPejcOddvFmdzAgilwDdALQWmMcUAZ+Nz5l7fJGxXlkGya+FNNGJRk66nTm/VpE BuEHHeZ7XDN2yryiHnooyHwLCJ97ZoifpdNg9Me2gskwP08Aai4gsWMv/JVC58jerEdU q47QeCErRIuzn881fnzcrxuTJMVIf+H8ZdM4u6iyiITVDnNlurLJIYzbwp/8p7FNLnw8 jsDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kq6/U/Y9OeyCNUUD0Cm2C1A/8TlFtcNJ4o9+Fn+/APmzHrSGg/O Rst2ChMb19/OFmBBv02prgkpkVk66BxjJXXKsMWZe8rwDR70LPJB9lk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv0VOmQ7j9uLCa7iyrfUVfwekajM/YJdu1DcxpKrCVnBm5Z9EtLtaFor525E04odA64e9i8Brh1H5dM7V4V13I= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5c9:0:b0:286:4c94:fbd with SMTP id 192-20020a2e05c9000000b002864c940fbdmr1009975ljf.417.1674329526860; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> From: Stavros Filargyropoulos Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:31:31 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system To: Ian Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Nzmhm5DN7z4lH1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > Is your system using LAPIC? If so, see if HPET looks any better / more sensible? It's LAPIC. Changing to HPET doesn't seem to make a difference. > This has been bugging quite a few people for quite a few years: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=173541 Is there any interest in debugging this further? I can reproduce on my home PC. > PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting Microsoft corporate-email-style mess. 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Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [message rearranged and trimmed for compliance and legibility] On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at 1:38:12 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:44 PM Ian Smith wrote: >> >> PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting Microso= ft >> corporate-email-style mess. > > Sorry but blame google and/or gmail for the top posting. Why? Have you not read their instructions? At https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9283192 under "Have better email conversations", there's the item "Reply inline to email". That seems to be exactly what we're asking for. > I use whatever their defaults are and that's not going to change > unless they change it. You can put your answer wherever you want, though they may not make it easy. But it's your choice to use Gmail. I'd suggest to put your answers: * Where it matches what you're answering. * Where it matches the project guidelines. Where are the project guidelines? Currently there's https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/, which contains: Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who did not read the original message to understand what you are talking about. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending =E2=80=9C>=E2=80=9D to the original message works best. Leaving white spa= ce after the =E2=80=9C> ;=E2=80=9D and leave empty lines between your text and the= original text both make the result more readable. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It is very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. > RFC's surrounding usenet described this in pretty clear detail. (Just > looked it up: 1855). Thanks for the link, though I don't see anything that relates to the current discussion. About the only thing of relevance I see is: do not include the entire original! > At this point in my life all I would suggest to you is to either > suck it up or ban/ignore the messages from senders you don't want to > see. Mine included. This would be a rather drastic approach. Discussion is better. > I found this to be a better approach than attempting to correct > people on what is the proper `netiquette'. Whatever you want, of course. But if you're prepared to accept a supposed mandate by Gmail, I wonder how objective you're being. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Here's the fact of the matter. Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until now. Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long time ago. I'm not an advocate of either method, just don't have the time to conform. Not only do I use gmail as is evident by this email, but I use other email clients as well. All their defaults are top posting oriented. This is what led me to state to either ignore my messages or block me. I certainly won't be offended and have better things to worry about other than posting methodology on various lists. ~Paul On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:01 AM Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > [message rearranged and trimmed for compliance and legibility] > > On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at 1:38:12 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:44 PM Ian Smith wrote= : > >> > >> PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting > Microsoft > >> corporate-email-style mess. > > > > Sorry but blame google and/or gmail for the top posting. > > Why? Have you not read their instructions? At > https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9283192 under "Have better > email conversations", there's the item "Reply inline to email". That > seems to be exactly what we're asking for. > > > I use whatever their defaults are and that's not going to change > > unless they change it. > > You can put your answer wherever you want, though they may not make it > easy. But it's your choice to use Gmail. I'd suggest to put your > answers: > > * Where it matches what you're answering. > * Where it matches the project guidelines. > > Where are the project guidelines? Currently there's > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/, which contains: > > Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the > minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for > somebody who did not read the original message to understand what > you are talking about. > > Use some technique to identify which text came from the original > message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending > =E2=80=9C>=E2=80=9D to the original message works best. Leaving white s= pace after > the =E2=80=9C> ;=E2=80=9D and leave empty lines between your text and t= he original > text both make the result more readable. > > Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it > replies). It is very difficult to read a thread of responses where > each reply comes before the text to which it replies. > > > RFC's surrounding usenet described this in pretty clear detail. (Just > > looked it up: 1855). > > Thanks for the link, though I don't see anything that relates to the > current discussion. About the only thing of relevance I see is: > > do not include the entire original! > > > At this point in my life all I would suggest to you is to either > > suck it up or ban/ignore the messages from senders you don't want to > > see. Mine included. > > This would be a rather drastic approach. Discussion is better. > > > I found this to be a better approach than attempting to correct > > people on what is the proper `netiquette'. > > Whatever you want, of course. But if you're prepared to accept a > supposed mandate by Gmail, I wonder how objective you're being. > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --0000000000003991b905f2d481d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your insight.=C2=A0 Here's the fact of= the matter.
Unless I'm using an email client where I can mov= e a cursor to the position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is req= uired for said email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to va= rious `rules'=C2=A0 on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply to= o much work.
Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to m= e about top posting until now.
Also a fact: I was asked not t= o bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long time ago.
I'm not = an advocate of either method, just don't have the time to conform.=C2= =A0 Not only do I use gmail as is evident by this email, but I use other em= ail clients as well.=C2=A0 All their defaults are top posting oriented.
=
This is what led me to state to either ignore my messages or block me.= =C2=A0 I certainly won't be offended and have better things to worry ab= out other than posting methodology on various lists.
~Paul

=C2=A0
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1= :01 AM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org> wrote:
[message rearranged and trimmed for compl= iance and legibility]

On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at=C2=A0 1:38:12 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:44 PM Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
>>
>> PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting M= icrosoft
>> corporate-email-style mess.
>
> Sorry but blame google and/or gmail for the top posting.

Why?=C2=A0 Have you not read their instructions?=C2=A0 At
https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9283192 under "Have better
email conversations", there's the item "Reply inline to email= ".=C2=A0 That
seems to be exactly what we're asking for.

> I use whatever their defaults are and that's not going to change > unless they change it.

You can put your answer wherever you want, though they may not make it
easy.=C2=A0 But it's your choice to use Gmail.=C2=A0 I'd suggest to= put your
answers:

* Where it matches what you're answering.
* Where it matches the project guidelines.

Where are the project guidelines?=C2=A0 Currently there's
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-= questions/, which contains:

=C2=A0 Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the
=C2=A0 minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for
=C2=A0 somebody who did not read the original message to understand what =C2=A0 you are talking about.

=C2=A0 Use some technique to identify which text came from the original
=C2=A0 message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending =C2=A0 =E2=80=9C>=E2=80=9D to the original message works best. Leaving w= hite space after
=C2=A0 the =E2=80=9C> ;=E2=80=9D and leave empty lines between your text= and the original
=C2=A0 text both make the result more readable.

=C2=A0 Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it =C2=A0 replies). It is very difficult to read a thread of responses where =C2=A0 each reply comes before the text to which it replies.

> RFC's surrounding usenet described this in pretty clear detail.=C2= =A0 (Just
> looked it up: 1855).

Thanks for the link, though I don't see anything that relates to the current discussion.=C2=A0 About the only thing of relevance I see is:

=C2=A0 do not include the entire original!

> At this point in my life all I would suggest to you is to either
> suck it up or ban/ignore the messages from senders you don't want = to
> see.=C2=A0 Mine included.

This would be a rather drastic approach.=C2=A0 Discussion is better.

> I found this to be a better approach than attempting to correct
> people on what is the proper `netiquette'.

Whatever you want, of course.=C2=A0 But if you're prepared to accept a<= br> supposed mandate by Gmail, I wonder how objective you're being.

Greg
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On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: > . > Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the position > needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said email (like > Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' on various > forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. > In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one of your readers. Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until > now. > Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long > time ago. > Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So? Regards Michael [ previous stuff omitted] --000000000000606dad05f2d4b92a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Late to the party (I admit it), still...=C2=A0
On Sun, = Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com> wrote:
.
Unless I'm using an email client wh= ere I can move a cursor to the position needed to tip me off what kind of p= osting is required for said email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to = conform to various `rules'=C2=A0 on various forms/lists/work emails/etc= is simply too much work.

In my opinion, if this little piece o= f effort (which is just a few clicks in my experience on both phone or desk= top computer) is more effort than what you're trying to say... Well, yo= u get the idea.=C2=A0

Al= so (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort once = of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one = of your readers.=C2=A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<= div>
Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top = posting until now.
Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom pos= t elsewhere albeit quite a long time ago.

Just as you need to kn= ow the different rules for driving in different countries or for speaking d= ifferent languages (sensibly), there are also slightly different rules on &= quot;moving" in different circles.=C2=A0
The fa= ct that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) frowns on t= op posting is just that - one fact. So?=C2=A0

Regards=C2=A0
Michael=C2=A0
[ previous stuff omitted]=C2=A0
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Sorry! On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:52 Michael Schuster wrote: > Late to the party (I admit it), still... > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: > >> . >> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the >> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said >> email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' >> on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. >> > > In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks > in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than > what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. > > Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort > once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one > of your readers. > > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until >> now. >> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long >> time ago. >> > > Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different > countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also > slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. > The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) > frowns on top > I meant "bottom" - obviously :-) posting is just that - one fact. So? > > Regards > Michael > [ previous stuff omitted] > --00000000000098af3505f2d4d439 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Typo (corrected below)... Sorry!=C2=A0

On Sun, Jan 22, = 2023, 07:52 Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com> wrote:
Late to the party (I admit it), still...=C2= =A0

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com>= wrote:
.
Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to th= e position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said e= mail (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules'= ;=C2=A0 on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work.
=

In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a fe= w clicks in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort= than what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea.=C2=A0
<= div dir=3D"auto">
Also (and this has been writte= n many times), by you avoiding the effort once of streamlining your respons= e, you're putting that effort on every one of your readers.=C2=A0
=

Also a fact: = not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until now.
=
Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a l= ong time ago.
Just as you need to know the different rules for d= riving in different countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly= ), there are also slightly different rules on "moving" in differe= nt circles.=C2=A0
The fact that one community (or wa= s it perhaps a single individual? ) frowns on top
<= /div>

I meant "bott= om" - obviously :-)=C2=A0

posting is just that - one fact. So?=C2=A0

Regards=C2=A0
Michael=C2=A0
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--00000000000098af3505f2d4d439-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 07:18:00 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P04MT0xvjz2v7bR for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 07:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P04MS5pD7z4P63; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 07:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id cm26-20020a056830651a00b00684e5c0108dso5576545otb.9; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 23:18:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=07KLJwjFRpM1/U5/2mtg+oByKTCskFGauiFDAYkq3R0=; b=oLv4yyPMXeaUWfE8ZRTL63aVO35Fjz8aHTvwOfsd3MCqIjeZxYT/oD317rKDBRnBbh +078NxMM6r5uIraZwyKLYuuLeK09tR4AM9HEuFtK80rFiTasvBVHC9BkVBasiSzjNEAv h1zZMa5VLJ5MgAST7ONGqEFOUaL6ACMtTtvx3mumMEdiOOPh+Nk/79U9tNKZe1eZZghh iQMYLGBNXcF5OgSipUoHS19Myfmdz9iZkUFfbKZY0M5t2imNw++DnfcMlCktN/cYQmYw /H/Me83n9m6GNPK1p5AP438pZjxgTkftI92C7TK0qXyEcnWGoG8Bu4Rcr8UOPcsdF2q3 QbbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=07KLJwjFRpM1/U5/2mtg+oByKTCskFGauiFDAYkq3R0=; b=lEWurLoHUnJMM+gLEDYaxuJ5xKqiuKQ200KN5h4aQHzARWTlkm2G+l2mbhpPJfIhd0 aQtT8G5wZq4yI6UPhpng6gUEzgdTwEBk4hfgpOe96PCbFyZ+QIe7PHV+D4BcKjOapQvN U8ennpElPDaVmb9EVKHQLYPckFls6x/va+7we4SqAhK4/yKK/Z33TRwRB0yJmJ3noh5M 2eRHUpBspB0Mint9IY96RnCjRog35qsyn2LaNCDnGLoV0n/nzlUu/Va5cGFZopgTHPQ/ a/ALzIxlGsoqIP0Ie53lJK9XNcvQEH8MnBiwy5M4pyeJpGj8LIWP9z+AQYQNH+SXgPiZ boxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2ko31USU1ckq2euIbQIVAKSTaAcxttgdBOZxEicpTR36Dgr+Fj/c C7Bnte1y24jt9LGaEJxUEso6TZ7V2X42sOWsHcTjWlJzuQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuhL4QNuDBMZP5GvHMUlRC/qRhum2XjF0ZRIdfkbZvvJ52WJZKzgbmDQ6NbyIJo+lZRw8fe6IsVy7PsIsH9l+E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1211:b0:684:9eae:c451 with SMTP id r17-20020a056830121100b006849eaec451mr1223228otp.267.1674371891694; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 23:18:11 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) To: Michael Schuster Cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Ian Smith , freeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d38fab05f2d5157c" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P04MS5pD7z4P63 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000d38fab05f2d5157c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As per your last couple of statements; I agree. I won't however conform for the reasons already given. If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. I won't cry about it nor hate anyone for doing so. The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional time I help someone. I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug reports, etc. I swear I won't be heart broken. Have at it. ~Paul On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Michael Schuster wrote: > Late to the party (I admit it), still... > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: > >> . >> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the >> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said >> email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' >> on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. >> > > In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks > in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than > what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. > > Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort > once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one > of your readers. > > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until >> now. >> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long >> time ago. >> > > Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different > countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also > slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. > The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) > frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So? > > Regards > Michael > [ previous stuff omitted] > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --000000000000d38fab05f2d5157c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As per your last couple of statements; I agree.
I won't however conform for the reasons already given.
If I= 'm breaking the rules, "punish" me.
I won't cry= about it nor hate anyone for doing so.
The only thing people= on this list would lose is the rare and occasional time I help someone.
I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug rep= orts, etc.

I swear I won't be heart broken.=C2=A0 Hav= e at it.
~Paul=C2=A0

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Mi= chael Schuster <michaelspri= vate@gmail.com> wrote:
Late to the party (I admit it), still.= ..=C2=A0

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com> wrote:
= .
Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor = to the position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for s= aid email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rule= s'=C2=A0 on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work= .

In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a= few clicks in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more eff= ort than what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea.=C2=A0

Also (and this has been wri= tten many times), by you avoiding the effort once of streamlining your resp= onse, you're putting that effort on every one of your readers.=C2=A0

Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top postin= g until now.
Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post else= where albeit quite a long time ago.

Just as you need to know the= different rules for driving in different countries or for speaking differe= nt languages (sensibly), there are also slightly different rules on "m= oving" in different circles.=C2=A0
The fact tha= t one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) frowns on top pos= ting is just that - one fact. So?=C2=A0

Regards=C2=A0
Michael=C2=A0
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Is there > anything I can do to work around this? > > Dec 16 21:20:22 desktop kernel: usb_msc_auto_quirk: > UQ_MSC_NO_GETMAXLUN set for USB mass storage device ACTIONS HS USB > FlashDisk (0x10d6:0x1101) > Dec 16 21:20:22 desktop kernel: usb_msc_auto_quirk: > UQ_MSC_NO_SYNC_CACHE set for USB mass storage device ACTIONS HS USB > FlashDisk (0x10d6:0x1101) > Dec 16 21:20:22 desktop kernel: usb_msc_auto_quirk: > UQ_MSC_NO_PREVENT_ALLOW set for USB mass storage device ACTIONS HS USB > FlashDisk (0x10d6:0x1101) > Dec 16 21:20:22 desktop kernel: usb_msc_auto_quirk: > UQ_MSC_NO_TEST_UNIT_READY set for USB mass storage device ACTIONS HS > USB FlashDisk (0x10d6:0x1101) > Dec 16 21:20:22 desktop kernel: usb_msc_auto_quirk: > UQ_MSC_NO_START_STOP set for USB mass storage device ACTIONS HS USB > FlashDisk (0x10d6:0x1101) > Dec 16 21:20:30 desktop kernel: usbd_setup_device_desc: getting device > descriptor at addr 5 failed, USB_ERR_IOERROR > Dec 16 21:20:33 desktop syslogd: last message repeated 1 times > Dec 16 21:20:33 desktop kernel: usb_alloc_device: Failure selecting > configuration index 0:USB_ERR_IOERROR, port 4, addr 5 (ignored) > Dec 16 21:20:33 desktop kernel: ugen1.5: at usbus1 > Dec 16 21:20:37 desktop kernel: ugen1.5: at > usbus1 (disconnected) > > # ls /dev/da* > ls: /dev/da*: No such file or directory To follow up on this, I opened a bug report and someone suggested I try this: usbconfig -d ugenX.Y add_quirk UQ_MSC_NO_GETMAXLUN usbconfig -d ugenX.Y add_quirk UQ_MSC_NO_SYNC_CACHE That worked. I then had to install sysutils/fusefs-exfat to mount it. For details see https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269085 From nobody Sun Jan 22 16:19:51 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0JNc72Fsz312PG for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [147.160.157.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "A1-48603", Issuer "A1-48603" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0JNc4mNzz4HQJ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 30MGJr74092271 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:19:53 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 30MGJpt2092262; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:19:51 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) From: doug@safeport.com Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Paul Procacci cc: Michael Schuster , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Ian Smith , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22ffa20-16d6-aedc-ce61-e567531112@safeport.com> References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="621616949-1966623719-1674404393=:78934" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0JNc4mNzz4HQJ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6405, ipnet:147.160.157.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --621616949-1966623719-1674404393=:78934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Paul Procacci wrote: > As per your last couple of statements; I agree. > I won't however conform for the reasons already given. > If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. > I won't cry about it nor hate anyone for doing so. > The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional time I > help someone. > I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug reports, etc. > > I swear I won't be heart broken.  Have at it. > ~Paul  > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Michael Schuster > wrote: > Late to the party (I admit it), still...  > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci > wrote: > . > Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the > position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for > said email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to > various `rules'  on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply > too much work. > > > In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks > in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than > what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea.  > > Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort > once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every > one of your readers.  > > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting > until now. > Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a > long time ago. > > > Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different > countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also > slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles.  > The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) > frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So?  Totally correct. I really do not understand the, "I don't have to follow the rules" attitude. With all our corporate clients, we top post because that's the ROR. Not so here. What's so hard about that? I use pine, roundcube, and thunderbird it is trivially easy to follow the ROR in all these MDAs. --621616949-1966623719-1674404393=:78934-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 16:40:01 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0Jqx3vh3z314y9 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0Jqw2gbGz4KDD for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=e3bgTnbZ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1674405612; x=1676997612; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=yLdNQgJe2S7gQMjzikeMqSREJDCP/KB5dqhAcxT4E60=; b=e3bgTnbZOKY+TaO0gPWouzIVN8l1Q32Jd7r7Kx4HVUk8vbVUMZprMBC9Ul2Ls0flvqqu3mV4Ch7MAyGzYgxgBXaO73GsIfx1l2cUGv8Lzsj23Ft+Mntj1QIy3v67PFAu2zBvimq/62LkLYA1dTMhKxaXVKnQWr+//Ih8WaTx2v8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRmOTAwMDIyNzJmYWIucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:40:02 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:40:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pJdNx-000H1Q-5N for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:01 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) Message-Id: <20230122164001.2cbb15735780a9934989e951@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.2:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0Jqw2gbGz4KDD X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:18:00 -0500 Paul Procacci wrote: > As per your last couple of statements; I agree. > I won't however conform for the reasons already given. > If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. It's not about rules, it's about effective communication, interleaved posting and minimal quoting works better for this purpose in mailing list and similar environments where the complete context is available to all - however in corporate and other email chain like environments full quoting is the only way to make context available and top posting is most common. > The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional > time I help someone. Why is it that some people take advice on effective communication as an attempt to impose rules ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Sun Jan 22 17:03:10 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0KLR18CTz3N8Zp for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [147.160.157.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "A1-48603", Issuer "A1-48603" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0KLQ6fHTz4M60 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 30MH3AaE005855 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:03:10 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 30MH3AAv005851; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:03:10 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:03:10 +0000 (UTC) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) In-Reply-To: <20230122164001.2cbb15735780a9934989e951@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> <20230122164001.2cbb15735780a9934989e951@sohara.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0KLQ6fHTz4M60 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6405, ipnet:147.160.157.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:18:00 -0500 > Paul Procacci wrote: > >> As per your last couple of statements; I agree. >> I won't however conform for the reasons already given. >> If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. > > It's not about rules, it's about effective communication, > interleaved posting and minimal quoting works better for this purpose in > mailing list and similar environments where the complete context is > available to all - however in corporate and other email chain like > environments full quoting is the only way to make context available and top > posting is most common. > >> The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional >> time I help someone. > > Why is it that some people take advice on effective communication > as an attempt to impose rules ? Etiquette then, if you like that word better. There is, IMO, no best way. Lawyers never delete anything, I guess (as I am not one) it gives a history of the entire conversation. Some of these emails I am asked to comment on might be several thousand words long. Do you think bottom posting is best in this case? If so it really does not matter, as that is not what they think. 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There is, IMO, no best way. Correct, there is only the appropriate way for each context which is generally to follow the common convention in that context. There are usually good reasons appropriate to the context for those conventions and it is common politeness IMHO to make an effort to fit in with the common conventions in any context. In a similar vein I'd never normally choose to wear a suit, but when expected to be in one to abide by conventions then that's what I'm wearing unless I'm intending to be rude. > Lawyers never delete anything, I guess (as I am not one) it gives a > history of the entire conversation. Some of these emails I am asked to > comment on might be several thousand words long. Do you think bottom > posting is best in this case? Perhaps, and perhaps not - how would I know it's not a context in which I have experience. > If so it really does not matter, as that is not what they think. From this I guess they tend to top post. If it is a typical corporate email chain scenario where people tend to be added to the chain after several exchanges then full quoting is essential and whether the new material is at the top or bottom is a matter of convention with the top being more convenient when keeping up and the bottom more convenient when catching up and since the former is more frequent than the latter top posting tends to dominate these contexts. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/ From nobody Sun Jan 22 18:28:25 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0MF20D6Lz3NM2L for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb35.google.com (mail-yb1-xb35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0MF12b2yz3jx5 for ; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [context deliberately excised] This seems to be a perennial topic that also seems to be addressed by Postel's Law. Email has become a victim of its own success, with so many clients/MUAs adding their own "enhancements" along the way. I agree that interwoven replies with vigorous removal of unneeded text makes the most sense in terms of clarity (I can't recall in which of the several iterations of this debate this came up.) Given the ubiquity of gmail, making that change =E2= =80=94 making the reply text a quoted block where replies could be interwoven, rather than top-posting =E2=80=94 would make an enormous difference. But th= en we get into the long grass with de facto monopolies and whatnot. Maybe we could not treat this topic as the catnip it seems to be=E2=80=A6let it go, = no one will change their mind and no MUA will be rewritten to meet anyone's expectations. --00000000000067e5df05f2de7353 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= br>This seems to be a perennial topic that also seems to be addressed by Po= stel's Law.

Email has become a victim of its own success, with s= o many clients/MUAs adding their own "enhancements" along the way= . I agree that interwoven replies with vigorous removal of unneeded text ma= kes the most sense in terms of clarity (I can't recall in which of the = several iterations of this debate this came up.) Given the ubiquity of gmai= l, making that change =E2=80=94 making the reply text a quoted block where = replies could be interwoven, rather than top-posting =E2=80=94 would make a= n enormous difference. But then we get into the long grass with de facto mo= nopolies and whatnot. Maybe we could not treat this topic as the catnip it = seems to be=E2=80=A6let it go, no one will change their mind and no MUA wil= l be rewritten to meet anyone's expectations.
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I still see the problem in STABLE where it was supposedly fixed. Where do we go from here? (Other than having a huge argument about inline vs top replying vs bottom replying) $ uname -a FreeBSD nas 13.1-STABLE FreeBSD 13.1-STABLE #0 stable/13-n253535-4a8af507ebe5: Fri Jan 20 03:21:10 UTC 2023 root@releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 last pid: 1545; load averages: 0.31, 0.11, 0.04 up 0+00:02:34 11:30:02 128 threads: 5 running, 103 sleeping, 20 waiting CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle Mem: 15M Active, 2260K Inact, 229M Wired, 22M Buf, 31G Free Swap: 3962M Total, 3962M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root 155 ki31 0B 64K RUN 3 2:33 100.00% idle{idle: cpu3} 11 root 155 ki31 0B 64K CPU2 2 2:33 99.95% idle{idle: cpu2} 11 root 155 ki31 0B 64K CPU0 0 2:33 99.53% idle{idle: cpu0} 11 root 155 ki31 0B 64K CPU1 1 2:34 97.14% idle{idle: cpu1} 0 root -76 - 0B 640K - 1 0:00 0.04% kernel{if_config_tqg_0} From nobody Mon Jan 23 00:09:48 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0Vpq2NFwz2v9g9 for ; 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Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:09:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Out of order posting To: Paul Procacci Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> From: Dan Langille Message-ID: <54fb75b7-ddac-f284-8a8f-222a927d148c@langille.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:09:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.59 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0Vpp6Wt2z4c5q X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Paul Procacci wrote on 1/22/23 1:36 AM: > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting > until now. 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Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 2:18:00 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > As per your last couple of statements; I agree. Sorry, what are you referring to? This is exactly the reason why the recommendations are the way they are. I went down and tried to guess, but I failed. > I won't however conform for the reasons already given. > If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. People probably do, by ignoring you. It doesn't make for better communication. I'm leaving the rest of your message unchanged in case other people want to engage in archaeology. Greg > I won't cry about it nor hate anyone for doing so. > The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional > time I help someone. > I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug reports, etc. > > I swear I won't be heart broken. Have at it. >> Paul > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Michael Schuster > wrote: > >> Late to the party (I admit it), still... >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> . >>> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the >>> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said >>> email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' >>> on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. >>> >> >> In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks >> in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than >> what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. >> >> Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort >> once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one >> of your readers. >> >> Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until >>> now. >>> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long >>> time ago. >>> >> >> Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different >> countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also >> slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. >> The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) >> frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So? >> >> Regards >> Michael >> [ previous stuff omitted] >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 17:03:10 +0000, Doug Denault wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:18:00 -0500 >> Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> As per your last couple of statements; I agree. >>> I won't however conform for the reasons already given. >>> If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. >> >> It's not about rules, it's about effective communication,... Quite so. >>> The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional >>> time I help someone. >> >> Why is it that some people take advice on effective communication >> as an attempt to impose rules ? > > Etiquette then, if you like that word better. No, as Steve says, it's a matter of effective communication. It's also the impression you make on others. It would be nice to think that people had read my reference (https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/), but at the risk that they haven't, it also states: Do not underestimate the effect that a poorly formatted mail message has, not just on the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Your mail message is all people see of you, and if it is poorly formatted, one line per paragraph, badly spelt, or full of errors, it will give people a poor impression of you. I'm currently trying to unravel another (important) mail thread, one requiring my input. 4 messages, corresponding to 50 pages of printed output! Much is repetition, much is irrelevant, but I have to read the whole damn thing and decide what's relevant. It's a pain, one that the authors could have reduced significantly if they had taken the trouble. > Lawyers never delete anything, I guess (as I am not one) it gives a > history of the entire conversation. Yes, but once is enough. > Some of these emails I am asked to comment on might be several > thousand words long. Do you think bottom posting is best in this > case? No, definitely not. My guess is that these emails are that long because people didn't follow these guidelines. And "bottom posting" is only marginally better than "top posting". It's not what the guidelines recommend. In summary, - repeat only the parts of the message to which you're replying. - reply *immediately* after those parts. > If so it really does not matter, as that is not what they think. You're assuming that they think about it. Note that this discussion only took off after I applied another recommendation: change the Subject: line. 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Your mail message is all people see of you, and if it is poorly formatted, one line per paragraph, badly spelt, or full of errors, it will give people a poor impression of you. Do not underestimate the impression all this arguing is making. I think you all made your point quite a few messages ago. Just let it go or take it privately. --000000000000e857dd05f2e48ddf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000e857dd05f2e48ddf-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 01:49:24 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0Y1j3HKlz315yS for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl (mailout2.ceti.pl [62.121.128.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0Y1h6lJ0z3LY3 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7DB1AF31; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout.ceti.pl Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.42]) by localhost (mailout.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id De0-TTQBj_zl; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50C71AF2C; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id C03EC9549; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:24 +0100 From: Tomasz Rola To: Paul Procacci Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) Message-ID: References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0Y1h6lJ0z3LY3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15541, ipnet:62.121.128.0/24, country:PL] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Those who could most probably already did it and know how it is going to end. I hope you have enough free time to match my answer with exact part of your message(s). I start to like top posting, seems like quite a fun. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 01:36:27AM -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > Thanks for your insight. Here's the fact of the matter. > Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the position > needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said email (like > Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' on various > forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until > now. > Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long > time ago. > I'm not an advocate of either method, just don't have the time to conform. > Not only do I use gmail as is evident by this email, but I use other email > clients as well. All their defaults are top posting oriented. > This is what led me to state to either ignore my messages or block me. I > certainly won't be offended and have better things to worry about other > than posting methodology on various lists. > > ~Paul > > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:01 AM Greg 'groggy' Lehey > wrote: > > > [message rearranged and trimmed for compliance and legibility] > > > > On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at 1:38:12 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:44 PM Ian Smith wrote: > > >> > > >> PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting > > Microsoft > > >> corporate-email-style mess. > > > > > > Sorry but blame google and/or gmail for the top posting. > > > > Why? Have you not read their instructions? At > > https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9283192 under "Have better > > email conversations", there's the item "Reply inline to email". That > > seems to be exactly what we're asking for. > > > > > I use whatever their defaults are and that's not going to change > > > unless they change it. > > > > You can put your answer wherever you want, though they may not make it > > easy. But it's your choice to use Gmail. I'd suggest to put your > > answers: > > > > * Where it matches what you're answering. > > * Where it matches the project guidelines. > > > > Where are the project guidelines? Currently there's > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/, which contains: > > > > Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the > > minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for > > somebody who did not read the original message to understand what > > you are talking about. > > > > Use some technique to identify which text came from the original > > message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending > > “>” to the original message works best. Leaving white space after > > the “> ;” and leave empty lines between your text and the original > > text both make the result more readable. > > > > Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it > > replies). It is very difficult to read a thread of responses where > > each reply comes before the text to which it replies. > > > > > RFC's surrounding usenet described this in pretty clear detail. (Just > > > looked it up: 1855). > > > > Thanks for the link, though I don't see anything that relates to the > > current discussion. About the only thing of relevance I see is: > > > > do not include the entire original! > > > > > At this point in my life all I would suggest to you is to either > > > suck it up or ban/ignore the messages from senders you don't want to > > > see. Mine included. > > > > This would be a rather drastic approach. Discussion is better. > > > > > I found this to be a better approach than attempting to correct > > > people on what is the proper `netiquette'. > > > > Whatever you want, of course. But if you're prepared to accept a > > supposed mandate by Gmail, I wonder how objective you're being. > > > > Greg > > -- > > Sent from my desktop computer. > > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > > > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. 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<https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questi= ons/#_how_to_answer_a_question> point 11,

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Please allow me to repeat what I already repeated several times: - I - A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Source: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html - II - A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? Source: ? Everything should be clear now. ;-) However, I agree with the idea of efficient and _suiting_ ways of communication depending on context. On this mailing list, inline posting, "paragraphing" and trimming seems to be the most efficient way. To follow it is highly encouraged, because it shows respect toward those who spend their free time dealing with user questions. It's comparable to "doing your homework", for example, I read the relevant manpage myself before asking something on a mailing list, just to discover that all answers point me to the manpage where my question is answered. I also agree that many of today's "modern" MUAs (or "apps" that claim to be one) fail to easily allow the user to adapt to a posting style that is not the "native" one of the MUA (i. e., "cursor on top, I can only type at the top, I cannot move the cursor into the message quoted", or "moving the cursor into the message quoted destroys the quoting, garbage is the result" or worse). While many halfway decent programs allow you to change certain settings (like _not_ sending text + HTML nonsense), others do not. The whole thing becomes even more terrible if the user has no way of changing to a different MUA ("this is corporate policy!", "you use what we pre-installed, or else"). The amount of work to get an acceptable message styling and reply culture could maybe outweight the friendly advice to... well... you get the idea... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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charset="UTF-8" The following command runs on Ubuntu on the same machine, on a different disk. sudo lshw -C network returns *-network description: Wireless interface product: RTL8822CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0 logical name: wlp2s0 version: 00 serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtw_8822ce driverversion=5.15.0-58-generic firmware=N/A ip=10.18.120.137 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11 resources: irq:137 ioport:3000(size=256) memory:4d500000-4d50ffff I found related post: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?re(4) dmesg | more | grep WLAN return nothing. So How can I configure the wifi access. -- I recommend David Deutsch's <> Jian --000000000000dc057205f2fbbcfa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The following command runs on Ubuntu o= n the same machine, on a different disk.
sudo lshw -C n= etwork

returns

=C2=A0 *-network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description: Wir= eless interface
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0product: RTL8822CE 802.11ac P= CIe Wireless Network Adapter
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vendor: Realtek = Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0physical id: 0
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0logical name: wlp2s0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0version: 00
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0width: 64 bits
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0clock: 33MHz
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list eth= ernet physical wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuration: broadc= ast=3Dyes driver=3Drtw_8822ce driverversion=3D5.15.0-58-generic firmware=3D= N/A ip=3D10.18.120.137 latency=3D0 link=3Dyes multicast=3Dyes wireless=3DIE= EE 802.11
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0resources: irq:137 ioport:3000(size= =3D256) memory:4d500000-4d50ffff


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dmesg | more | grep WLAN
return nothing.

So How can I configure the wifi access.



--
=C2=A0I recommend David Deut= sch's <<The Beginning of Infinity>>

=C2=A0 Jian

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charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:54 AM jian he wrote: > > The following command runs on Ubuntu on the same machine, on a different > disk. > sudo lshw -C network > > returns > > *-network > description: Wireless interface > product: RTL8822CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter > vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. > physical id: 0 > bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0 > logical name: wlp2s0 > version: 00 > serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet > physical wireless > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtw_8822ce > driverversion=5.15.0-58-generic firmware=N/A ip=10.18.120.137 latency=0 > link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11 > resources: irq:137 ioport:3000(size=256) memory:4d500000-4d50ffff > > > > I found related post: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?re(4) > > dmesg | more | grep WLAN > return nothing. > > So How can I configure the wifi access. > > > > -- > I recommend David Deutsch's <> > > Jian > https://wiki.freebsd.org/WiFi/Rtw88 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248235 Does that mean my device's wifi card is not supported by freebsd? --000000000000aec23905f2fbdaf3 Content-Type: text/html; 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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:54 AM= jian he <jian.universali= ty@gmail.com> wrote:

The following command runs= on Ubuntu on the same machine, on a different disk.
su= do lshw -C network
<= br>
returns

=C2=A0 *-network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0desc= ription: Wireless interface
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0product: RTL8822C= E 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vend= or: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0physical = id: 0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0logical name: wlp2s0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vers= ion: 00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0width: 64 bits
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0clock: 33M= Hz
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master= cap_list ethernet physical wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configur= ation: broadcast=3Dyes driver=3Drtw_8822ce driverversion=3D5.15.0-58-generi= c firmware=3DN/A ip=3D10.18.120.137 latency=3D0 link=3Dyes multicast=3Dyes = wireless=3DIEEE 802.11
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0resources: irq:137 iop= ort:3000(size=3D256) memory:4d500000-4d50ffff




dmesg | more | grep WLAN
<= div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">return nothing.

So How can I configure the wifi access.
=


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<= font size=3D"2">=C2=A0I recommend Da= vid Deutsch's <<The Beginning of Infinity>>

=C2=A0 Jian
=

https://wiki.freebsd.org/WiFi/Rtw88
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzi= lla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D248235

Does that mean my device's wifi c= ard is not supported by freebsd?
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helps ... > Does that mean my device's wifi card is not supported by freebsd? > ... as I understood, your Realtek WiFi card is in the state of getting proper support, development is on going. I got the impression that the card would be usable for unknown length of time. If it would stop to work & would require a reboot, I would not be surprised. Whatever the state of current driver is, is not available from 13.[0]1-RELEASE images; 12.x-RELEASE might not ever get the support. To test and/or use those changes, you would have to compile and install FreeBSD from source. Source is available via Git repository; need to use either "stable/13" (13-STABLE) or "main" (14-CURRENT) branch. For background and details to compile the OS, including the kernel, see ... Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD: Using FreeBSD-STABLE, https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#stable - parv -- --00000000000079e50005f2fd65a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 7:33 PM jian he wrote:

Hi Jian,

O= n Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:54 AM jian he=C2=A0 wrote:

The following command runs on Ubuntu on the sa= me machine, on a different disk.
sudo lshw -C network=
...=C2=A0<= /div>
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
=C2=A0 *-network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description: Wireles= s interface
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0product: RTL8822CE 802.11ac PCIe = Wireless Network Adapter
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vendor: Realtek Semi= conductor Co., Ltd.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0physical id: 0
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0logical name: wlp2s0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0version: 00
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0width: 64 bits
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0clock: 33MHz
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethern= et physical wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuration: broadcast= =3Dyes driver=3Drtw_8822ce driverversion=3D5.15.0-58-generic firmware=3DN/A= ip=3D10.18.120.137 latency=3D0 link=3Dyes multicast=3Dyes wireless=3DIEEE = 802.11
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0resources: irq:137 ioport:3000(size=3D= 256) memory:4d500000-4d50ffff


dmesg | more | grep WLAN
return nothing.

(/visiting from future/)
The driver would be "rtw88"= ;, not "re", for the card per ...

<= div>

Thank you for including the links; helps ...
=C2=A0
Does that m= ean my device's wifi card is not supported by freebsd?

... as I understood, your Realtek WiFi card is in the state<= /div>
of gettin= g proper support, development is on going. I got the
impression that the card would = be usable for unknown length of
time. If it would stop to work & would require a= reboot, I would
not be surprised.

Whatever the s= tate of current driver is, is not available from
13.[0]1-RELEASE images; 12.x-RELEAS= E might not ever get the support.

To test = and/or use those changes, you would have to compile and
install FreeBSD from source.= Source is available via Git repository;
need to use either "stable/13" (1= 3-STABLE) or "main" (14-CURRENT)
branch.

For background and details to compile the OS, = including the kernel,
see ...

=C2=A0 Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD: Using FreeBSD-STABLE,
<= div style=3D"font-family:monospace" class=3D"gmail_default">=C2=A0 https:= //docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#stable


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helps ... > > > >> Does that mean my device's wifi card is not supported by freebsd? >> > > ... as I understood, your Realtek WiFi card is in the state > of getting proper support, development is on going. I got the > impression that the card would be usable for unknown length of > time. If it would stop to work & would require a reboot, I would > not be surprised. > > Whatever the state of current driver is, is not available from > 13.[0]1-RELEASE images; 12.x-RELEASE might not ever get the support. > > To test and/or use those changes, you would have to compile and > install FreeBSD from source. Source is available via Git repository; > need to use either "stable/13" (13-STABLE) or "main" (14-CURRENT) > branch. > > For background and details to compile the OS, including the kernel, > see ... > > Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD: Using FreeBSD-STABLE, > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#stable > > > - parv > > > -- > > Hi, Now I am using Ubuntu. So I need to apply at least the following change[]1] at least to test RTL8822CE wifi card. I need to compile from source code, then make a memstick image, mount to a usb stick, then install from the usb pen drive. If all things going well, dmesg | more | grep WLAN should return something? Or how can I test if my wifi card is working. [1]: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=d3b0a58ee78ecdc5e2700e0aaaab21755496d148 --00000000000012e53505f2fdaff0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 12:53 PM par= v/FreeBSD <parv.0zero9+freebsd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 7:33 PM jian he wrote:

Hi Jian,
<= /div>

On Tue, Ja= n 24, 2023 at 10:54 AM jian he=C2=A0 wrote:
<= div>
The following command runs on Ubuntu on the same machine= , on a different disk.
sudo lshw -C network
...=C2=A0
=C2= =A0 *-network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0description: Wireless interface=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0product: RTL8822CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless= Network Adapter
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0vendor: Realtek Semiconducto= r Co., Ltd.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0physical id: 0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0logic= al name: wlp2s0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0version: 00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0serial: dc:e9:94:7c:4d:fd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0width:= 64 bits
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0clock: 33MHz
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physica= l wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0configuration: broadcast=3Dyes dri= ver=3Drtw_8822ce driverversion=3D5.15.0-58-generic firmware=3DN/A ip=3D10.1= 8.120.137 latency=3D0 link=3Dyes multicast=3Dyes wireless=3DIEEE 802.11
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0resources: irq:137 ioport:3000(size=3D256) memor= y:4d500000-4d50ffff

=
I found related post: <= a href=3D"https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?re(4)" target=3D"_blank">http= s://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?re(4)

= dmesg | more | grep WLAN
return nothing.

(/visiti= ng from future/)
The driver would= be "rtw88", not "re", for the card per ...



Thank you for including the links; helps ...
<= br>
=C2=A0
Does that mea= n my device's wifi card is not supported by freebsd?
<= /blockquote>

... as I un= derstood, your Realtek WiFi card is in the state
of getting proper support, development is on going. I got t= he
impression that the card would= be usable for unknown length of
= time. If it would stop to work & would require a reboot, I would
<= div style=3D"font-family:monospace">not be surprised.

Whatever the state of current driver i= s, is not available from
13.[0]1-= RELEASE images; 12.x-RELEASE might not ever get the support.

To test and/or use those changes= , you would have to compile and
i= nstall FreeBSD from source. Source is available via Git repository;
need to use either "stable/13"= (13-STABLE) or "main" (14-CURRENT)
branch.

For background and details to compile th= e OS, including the kernel,
see .= ..

=C2=A0 Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD: Using FreeBSD-STABL= E,


- parv


--

Hi,

Now I am using Ubuntu.
So I need to apply=C2= =A0 at least the following change[]1] at least to test RTL8822CE wifi ca= rd.

I need to compile from source code, then make a memstick image, mo= unt to a usb stick, then install from the usb pen drive.

If all things= going well, dmesg | more | grep WLAN=C2=A0 should return something? Or how= can I test if my wifi card is working.


[1]: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Dd3b0a58ee78ecdc5e2700e0aaaab2= 1755496d148


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I updated to 12=2E4-R yesterday (due anyway) assuming 'months ago' sh= ould have been before 12=2E4 left 12-STABLE, but see no change=2E I emailed gbe@ as well, in case he's buried in PR mail=2E > $ uname -a > FreeBSD nas 13=2E1-STABLE FreeBSD 13=2E1-STABLE #0 > stable/13-n253535-4a8af507ebe5: Fri Jan 20 03:21:10 UTC 2023 > root@releng3=2Enyi=2Efreebsd=2Eorg:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64=2Eamd64/sys/G= ENERIC > amd64 >=20 > last pid: 1545; load averages: 0=2E31, 0=2E11, 0=2E04 > Where do we go from here? I put quite some time exploring this back in 2016, as did Jeremy Chadwick,= so I'd pretty much given up since 0=2E1 or 0=2E2 nowadays is better than 0= =2E6 then, and noone could explain how my magic fix for 9=2E2-STABLE worked= , let alone me=2E I now understand a bit better what Alexander Motin (mav@) was explaining i= n posts #9, #27 and now #46 and #48, and accept the trade-off between idle = accuracy and performance (particularly minimal power consumption on laptops= ) that the current scheme provides=2E That said, it would be great if someone wanted to implement a parallel set= of event callouts specifically for load measurement that added very little= to interrupt rate, and thus power use=2E For example, using periodic rather than one-shot event timers shows low, e= ven 0=2E0 LAs at idle, but by costing 2000 interrupts per second per CPU!, = 8000/s on my i5, adding ~25% idle power consumption=2E cheers, Ian From nobody Tue Jan 24 20:04:48 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P1dHr27tBz3bNB9 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 20:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stav@stav.cc) Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P1dHq6X16z3vfb for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 20:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stav@stav.cc) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id t12so10379847lji.13 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 12:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stav.cc; s=google; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=81MIBmJGBcSCiROsJ6CMOrR4A0+LQWa5lYbJqCsk1xU=; b=E2R3NxxBNsDsJGpHefjAa8elXnJ2JWN0oB5R/VJzUFpaEbmMm4szG6fcurRR1AEYsj MSyOBWKEJDHj1lIEXjr272Z4f2dqsZdg3WJvNfLrclrhvAuA6l2O7UTnYQzaOlgZ7sjr 9AhWCnguXVsEJfNjz6SODdMBuZdov1FGMImfQhjCHQ6hYeQMavVh5rKVgUajFrT31B4A VtzxVYw00fWP1joLIQG3jzftc4XYEoYwhpph7bzsKK6/kUt1iHcI887YKWgLq0GO7YF2 ylA1HliqFUB5bpbfHNgVrGYOdUhiRa7mDcm0kborc1g2Q2wCUS3fof2f2GmsL3O1vYjX jrzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=81MIBmJGBcSCiROsJ6CMOrR4A0+LQWa5lYbJqCsk1xU=; b=VN/HuCX94+KFYRTQRon1r4v7zwO5dt3dEoK5jjCzHYf4ztQK8qNEBELJmcIdI4ZgbE P4JINMYHK1H+3tV8X8b3mMnroMiN4nglvSdaHKKyLaVuuKvuOjVpFgQwezLxKq2YIpfo bfjPfBJU9E6HuZgS73yzZwIccWj8+Yfx/wndSb3TGhb4Jjh+f6fx/p2rKwEFnraNrqwj QdEPandcr2LksLKaNZnh+c2fFRnHWL9yjG4+wsS8cb7+y3bsozNxQjCAS2/Tcs9Arh9G RFH9ifoPNauIRWaKX47qnKehOcJtrNwwhwiJEJdygP8z+gGW0vhPuGI2D/GlYzttXsyQ f/1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqS1Zq2KMEezIFazxvCvYF15yFUJd6Grl+lfHrzB05gxIOBQmyO aq0Qe+Ldu36/kifxjkrlc8mFsSX0vxKnIzACwbp3/W8ZwA/wyhrH X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvIbsPfwnrSIMJ+wGQt5sVfFTH9uNa9QSLwEmanypoAYO7BgWsLtP4gQqibnZL+AcnEOcZlxZmGFWPpvi7HOPI= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a4a4:0:b0:27f:7ee5:8424 with SMTP id g4-20020a2ea4a4000000b0027f7ee58424mr1322682ljm.114.1674590724957; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 12:05:24 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <9A7F4436-4888-42E2-93B9-7A8BA342877B@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <9A7F4436-4888-42E2-93B9-7A8BA342877B@nimnet.asn.au> From: Stavros Filargyropoulos Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 12:04:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system To: Ian Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P1dHq6X16z3vfb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:10 AM Ian Smith wrote: > > Yes; I updated to 12.4-R yesterday (due anyway) assuming 'months ago' sho= uld have been before 12.4 left 12-STABLE, but see no change. > > I emailed gbe@ as well, in case he's buried in PR mail.\ Yeah, I saw your reply. Thanks a lot Ian! > > I put quite some time exploring this back in 2016, as did Jeremy Chadwick= , so I'd pretty much given up since 0.1 or 0.2 nowadays is better than 0.6 = then, and noone could explain how my magic fix for 9.2-STABLE worked, let a= lone me. > > I now understand a bit better what Alexander Motin (mav@) was explaining = in posts #9, #27 and now #46 and #48, and accept the trade-off between idle= accuracy and performance (particularly minimal power consumption on laptop= s) that the current scheme provides. > On one hand I understand his point as well. On the other hand, well I already said it, it's bugging me that it's not right :D On a side note, I've been trying to see it for myself using KTR, but having trouble converting the timestamp to actual time. I understand it's what RDTSC is giving us, but was wondering if there is a formula to convert it to secs?. Do you have any tips? Tried dividing by `machdep.tsc_freq: 2419204467` but the number I get doesn't make much sense. I assume with modern cpus changing the frequency all the time this is even more challenging? 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[209.85.128.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 84-20020a370457000000b006fbbdc6c68fsm2229154qke.68.2023.01.24.14.07.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Jan 2023 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5063029246dso70585967b3.6; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a81:1ca:0:b0:46a:a144:219f with SMTP id 193-20020a8101ca000000b0046aa144219fmr3411198ywb.60.1674598022766; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 14:07:02 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 23:06:51 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: 13.1-STABLE vritualbox-ose-kmod panic To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32:from,209.85.128.175:received]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P1h0861Z6z4FSL X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hello world :-) I did upgrade world and kernel today.. still I cannot kldload virtualbox modules (modules are built from ports, vbox from package).. that renders VirtualBox useless because it cannot start any virtual machine due to missing driver error. The first time I noticed that problem was beginning of January 2023. Before I was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no problem. How can I make things work again? Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE? Do I need to rebuild both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-kmod from ports? Do I have to wait with virtualbox-ose-kmod until STABLE gets in align with RELEASE? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek % uname -a FreeBSD octagon 13.1-STABLE FreeBSD 13.1-STABLE #4 stable/13-n253680-16ae7b665c7e: Tue Jan 24 07:20:27 CET 2023 root@octagon:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 % pkg info virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-6.1.36 Name : virtualbox-ose Version : 6.1.36 Installed on : Sat Jan 7 06:50:23 2023 CET Origin : emulators/virtualbox-ose Architecture : FreeBSD:13:amd64 Prefix : /usr/local Categories : emulators Licenses : GPLv2 Maintainer : vbox@FreeBSD.org WWW : https://www.virtualbox.org/ Comment : General-purpose full virtualizer for x86 hardware Options : AIO : on ALSA : off DBUS : on DEBUG : off GUESTADDITIONS : off MANUAL : off NLS : on OPUS : off PYTHON : off QT5 : on R0LOGGING : off UDPTUNNEL : on VDE : off VNC : on VPX : off WEBSERVICE : on X11 : on Shared Libs required: libxml2.so.2 libxcb.so.1 libvncserver.so.1 libpng16.so.16 libcurl.so.4 libXt.so.6 libXext.so.6 libXcursor.so.1 libX11.so.6 libSDL-1.2.so.0 libQt5X11Extras.so.5 libQt5Widgets.so.5 libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 libQt5OpenGL.so.5 libQt5Gui.so.5 libQt5Core.so.5 libGL.so.1 Annotations : FreeBSD_version: 1301000 cpe : cpe:2.3:a:oracle:vm_virtualbox:6.1.36:::::freebsd13:x64 repo_type : binary repository : FreeBSD Flat size : 164MiB Description : Oracle VM VirtualBox is a hosted hypervisor for x86 virtualisation. Supported guests include BSD, Haiku, Linux, OS/2, ReactOS, Solaris and Windows. Guest Additions are available from: emulators/virtualbox-ose-additions For the Extension Pack: FreeBSD is not a supported host platform. Installation of the Pack will not extend the feature set. WWW: https://www.virtualbox.org/ % pkg info virtualbox-ose-kmod virtualbox-ose-kmod-6.1.36 Name : virtualbox-ose-kmod Version : 6.1.36 Installed on : Tue Jan 24 21:05:52 2023 CET Origin : emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod Architecture : FreeBSD:13:amd64 Prefix : /usr/local Categories : kld emulators Licenses : GPLv2 Maintainer : vbox@FreeBSD.org WWW : https://www.virtualbox.org/ Comment : VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD Options : DEBUG : on VIMAGE : on Annotations : FreeBSD_version: 1301511 cpe : cpe:2.3:a:oracle:vm_virtualbox:6.1.36:::::freebsd13:x64 Flat size : 3.92MiB Description : VirtualBox is a family of powerful x86 virtualization products for enterprise as well as home use. Not only is VirtualBox an extremely feature rich, high performance product for enterprise customers, it is also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License. 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On 24/01/2023 23:07, Graham Perrin wrote:
On 24/01/2023 22:06, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
=E2=80=A6 The first time I noticed that p= roblem was beginning of January 2023. Before I was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no problem.

How can I make things work again?

Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE?
It works here with CURRENT.

Do I need to rebuild both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-kmod from ports? =E2=80=A6

Tomek, please check that your copy of the ports tree is up-to-date.

If you build from source, build (and install) the kernel module alone.

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You'll get the same error if you attempt to load the kmod manuall= y.=20 There is at least one relatively recent thread on this in the mailing list = with more explanation, but personally I have found it simplest to just alwa= ys build the kmod from ports when updating.=20 > From: "Graham Perrin" > To: "FreeBSD questions" > Cc: "VirtualBox on FreeBSD team" , "Virtualisation on F= reeBSD" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:13:54 PM > Subject: Re: 13.1-STABLE vritualbox-ose-kmod panic > On 24/01/2023 23:07, Graham Perrin wrote: >> On 24/01/2023 22:06, Tomek CEDRO wrote: >>> =E2=80=A6 The first time I noticed that problem was beginning of Januar= y 2023. Before I >>> was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no problem. >>> How can I make things work again? >>> Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE? > It works here with CURRENT. >>> Do I need to rebuild both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-kmod from p= orts? =E2=80=A6 > Tomek, please check that your copy of the ports tree is up-to-date. > If you build from source, build (and install) the kernel module alone. --=_ac82ec49-8f38-4172-94e3-fc491780ec5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a period of time in the release en= gineering cycle when the version of virtualbox-ose-kmod in pkg works, but m= ost of the time it will need to be compiled from the port.

If you look at dmesg if you are rebooting to = load the the kmod, you should see an error message that the kmod could be l= oaded due to a version incompatibitliy. You'll get the same error if you at= tempt to load the kmod manually.

<= div>There is at least one relatively recent thread on this in the mailing l= ist with more explanation, but personally I have found it simplest to just = always build the kmod from ports when updating.


From: "Graham Perrin" <graha= mperrin@freebsd.org>
To: "FreeBSD questions" <freebsd-quest= ions@freebsd.org>
Cc: "VirtualBox on FreeBSD team" <vbox@fr= eebsd.org>, "Virtualisation on FreeBSD" <freebsd-virtualization@freeb= sd.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:13:54 PM
Subje= ct: Re: 13.1-STABLE vritualbox-ose-kmod panic
On 24/01/2023 23:07, Graham Perrin wrote:
On 24/01/2023 22:06, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
=E2=80=A6 The first time I noticed that problem was beginning of January 2023. Before I was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no problem.

How can I make things work again?

Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE?
It works here with CURRENT.

Do I need to rebuild both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-kmod from ports? =E2=80=A6

Tomek, please check that your copy of the ports tree is up-to-date.

If you build from source, build (and install) the kernel module alone.


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On 24/01/2023 23:07, Graham Perr= in wrote:
On 24/01/2023 22:06, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
=E2=80=A6 The first time I noticed that problem was beginning of January 2023. Before I was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no problem.

How can I make things work again?

Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE?

S= orry, please ignore my incredible lack of respect by accidentially top-post= ing in my previous reply ;-)

=
There is a period of time in = the release engineering cycle when the version of virtualbox-ose-kmod in pk= g will work, but most of the time it will need to be compiled from the port= .

If you l= ook at dmesg (if you are rebooting to load the the kmod), you should see an= error message that the kmod could be loaded due to a version incompatibitl= iy. You'll get the same error if you attempt to load the kmod manually.

There is at l= east one relatively recent thread on this in the mailing list with more exp= lanation, but personally I have found it simplest to just always build the = kmod from ports when updating.

Feel free to forward this to the = virtualbox and virtualization lists as I'm not subscribed.

Cheers,
Dale

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Before I was able to use virtualbox-ose(-kmod) on STABLE with no prob= lem. > > How can I make things work again? > > Will virtualbox-ose-kmod work only with a RELEASE and not with STABLE? > > It works here with CURRENT. Hmm I guess it works on RELEASE and CURRENT.. why it kernel panics STABLE? = o_O > Do I need to rebuild both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-kmod from por= ts? =E2=80=A6 > Tomek, please check that your copy of the ports tree is up-to-date. > If you build from source, build (and install) the kernel module alone. fresh git pull of the ports tree, port built and reinstalled from ports. :-( --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Wed Jan 25 01:42:22 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P1mml0VwCz3bBCt for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from verm@darkbeer.org) Received: from mx.coeval.ca (mx.coeval.ca [184.75.211.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P1mmj43krz44N3 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from verm@darkbeer.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=darkbeer.org header.s=mail header.b=Osy8zEDV; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of verm@darkbeer.org designates 184.75.211.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=verm@darkbeer.org; dmarc=none Received: from mx.darkbeer.org (unknown [192.168.211.20]) by mx.coeval.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C8943605D for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:42:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=darkbeer.org; s=mail; t=1674610942; bh=LM+e2Lz8kWZFHkjtDY6yYjpwDrtrcZmo4jCnvWEaIuI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Osy8zEDVXX89SafprmCQYZcgENLEaj0Xfo+DB8MzIXH1ajatKJShM2HM0oBqN5/LV UqGVB1yASjKrg91cgQtHe2u9bLYI6C22+0F4l+jZR1p09pTaLEHlAbqxPWcs4vDMS5 lgsiocfmBFfCxrdfSWDGJXo876ytaaso8VQpJd9s= Received: by mx.darkbeer.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7FDD1470C19; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:42:22 +0000 From: Amar Takhar To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 13.1-STABLE vritualbox-ose-kmod panic Message-ID: <20230125014222.GA27891@darkbeer.org> References: <3d8f8238-020b-0706-1c48-b17db12891f1@freebsd.org> <7fe27024-d794-d808-c2f4-371c533eb2e4@freebsd.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:184.75.211.21]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[darkbeer.org:s=mail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[darkbeer.org:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[darkbeer.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:32489, ipnet:184.75.211.0/24, country:CA]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P1mmj43krz44N3 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2023-01-25 02:38 +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > fresh git pull of the ports tree, port built and reinstalled from ports. Did you remember to unload the old kernel module? Also be sure you're using the same kernel source as your running kernel I take the hash from a uname -a just to be sure. Both of these have tripped me up in the past. :) Amar. 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Also be sure you're using the > same kernel source as your running kernel I take the hash from a uname -a just > to be sure. yes sir :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Wed Jan 25 12:45:35 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P23V53lmLz3bMyD for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P23V50XG2z41x2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id m26so6064085qtp.9 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:45:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EE5pGJoUwNUFbLdq6l5BOJSV46Lf+4phKmEnzxNdrfQ=; b=Tc3peWPsdtwiFmKp387JQNBJ8UYx+mZT8p+3ySU4mwQqQsR1/eXRdBOB0yAe3A8oE7 SEMhnBE75AFeOW+iiMV8S7xFrKzd99OII8TffcQUkd0mqzvScm6AJIMVWh9GaeOlv2yK pBRpqyU5FYAHvaeuTzzpsFxQaHXG1PidaASbHztZdU+r4dT5K2C/NVPGpYP7A0RZSXPu 8NKS4kHI60TsXkaTJvWZ443eThgMSARBHal0KIEW+I92p2IfiGpDsWr5kv2nIRAMnQBi iIyDft0cSnlUCdcrVEXVAZPRhoQd3t7cd9OSKJxYdJDdvoQ7lATkNU20/o6lJqgMSDFe DaZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=EE5pGJoUwNUFbLdq6l5BOJSV46Lf+4phKmEnzxNdrfQ=; b=VsNfZYwrjiBxWZo3BBeyrKzo2iXxQk0MDgoAbkzZ4Dy7dxSDC8qTNAO1j48QBHcOYX 8BpVRSGzirTfHUWbC1emCGoGc7G60dnelEBvVgvq0t9Lgxis2v4v1PSn6zom0M2YFa11 MSm3T0Tfrsg6jWcAQi21F92IeVDiY7ulAXpFW6609r/s+wvwaVS7+Ka/fPUGtIMVRsKy lpBCBHOlssmZdI9UGDxfwtFXfk6MpHLJnTyhyKC9fmFegoVRIzLbmyJWGBz44737b2ZH yHP7VjQHW59ZTQ7i7fsYyb+l2W/cmBFN9AabQuJrMdiv7QkZkx5mu8DtMio0478VzI6H Dq8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqudxhd4IhzTHHIQCWD/y7rAhAssr7A9+b2Xp38ZBLmKofqhbhA ZGxAmaxXW/uYNIth9AkOeX6pEw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvinYqJk0CZgsgOsXzhY+G0+j8oai3b8cWkA4QODUw0JLR6p6Wt4LGeOTVGtOshbrcIDda3RA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:58c3:0:b0:3b6:2c85:6fe8 with SMTP id u3-20020ac858c3000000b003b62c856fe8mr57484704qta.53.1674650748015; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw1-f171.google.com (mail-yw1-f171.google.com. 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It is simply irrelevant whether it works on -RELEASE / -CURRENT. > > Further triage is needed only if the virtualbox-ose-kmod after rebuild still panics the kernel. This seems the case o_O service vboxguest onestart <- this one works service vboxservice onestart <- kernel panic here kldload vboxdrv <- kernel panic here I had to disable all vbox stuff in /boot/loader.conf and /etc/rc.conf otherwise boot loop. 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:-P > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info Been using Vbox for years without ANY problems. I have 13.1 STABLE an even bumped the port version to 6.1.42. Rule of thumb. Always compiled both ports. Never used pkg. > > --000000000000a6b47905f31a10fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 10:20 Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
Well, maybe its time to give bhyve a try after alll = these vbox
problems for years ;-)

Is it possible to run macOS with graphics on bhyve? :-P

--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info<= /div>

Been using Vbox fo= r years without ANY=C2=A0problems.

I have 13.1 STABLE an even bumped the port version to 6.1.42.

Rule of thumb. Always comp= iled both ports. Never used pkg.

--000000000000a6b47905f31a10fa-- From nobody Wed Jan 25 17:54:07 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2BKv2Y5Lz3b2k2 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from verm@darkbeer.org) Received: from mx.coeval.ca (mx.coeval.ca [184.75.211.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2BKt4Cs8z3L1j for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from verm@darkbeer.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=darkbeer.org header.s=mail header.b=lnW0RXsQ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of verm@darkbeer.org designates 184.75.211.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=verm@darkbeer.org; dmarc=none Received: from mx.darkbeer.org (unknown [192.168.211.20]) by mx.coeval.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2316843605C for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=darkbeer.org; s=mail; t=1674669247; bh=Ejm3jQPEOuqAI2BPHwu5XCN19Mmg1UvxQAAil50kt5Y=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=lnW0RXsQVMIvlulCT0tuFHuVbL1OpFlp2T9nN2Mg4tsGdtNhfn8133IMQYbhTEFXb /XO71UMwS4tZWn33im+Qh88B17LgypB5/j1gAqcNJuPWmSkNSyUExe4UBAVrJPI53l 04fdXN1KqFC0txiiRGscDt0Gl+j5G5f2Pc1irgn8= Received: by mx.darkbeer.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1D1DE470C17; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:54:07 +0000 From: Amar Takhar To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 13.1-STABLE vritualbox-ose-kmod panic Message-ID: <20230125175407.GA55292@darkbeer.org> References: <3d8f8238-020b-0706-1c48-b17db12891f1@freebsd.org> <7fe27024-d794-d808-c2f4-371c533eb2e4@freebsd.org> <20230125014222.GA27891@darkbeer.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[darkbeer.org:s=mail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:184.75.211.21:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[darkbeer.org:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[darkbeer.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:32489, ipnet:184.75.211.0/24, country:CA]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2BKt4Cs8z3L1j X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2023-01-25 04:21 +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 2:42 AM Amar Takhar wrote: > > Did you remember to unload the old kernel module? Also be sure you're using the > > same kernel source as your running kernel I take the hash from a uname -a just > > to be sure. > > yes sir :-) Anytime I have issues with VirtualBox I delete all the packages unload the kmods and check for anything dangling in /usr/local/ and remove that as well. I know you're having panics I've had the boot loop issue before just last year after updating from 13-RELEASE to 13.1-RELEASE instant panic with no dumps. Just last week I was having issues with VMs not booting after a Qt update rebuilding all the ports fixed the issue. I always rebuild every port and never use packages VirtualBox can be really touchy but once it's running it's rock solid, I would try to go and carefully check everything again and do a rebuild from ports no packages at all and see what happens. For good measure before rebuilding make sure you update all your packages. Amar. 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The push seems to start off ok, but then seems to hang. Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Dale dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % git push --set-upstream origin tcpdf-6.6.2 Username for 'https://github.com': Password for 'https://dalers@github.com': Enumerating objects: 69, done. Counting objects: 100% (69/69), done. Delta compression using up to 8 threads Compressing objects: 100% (33/33), done. Writing objects: 100% (36/36), 3.31 MiB | 1.29 MiB/s, done. Total 36 (delta 15), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0 <<<<>>>>>>>>>> after a couple minutes, I used CTRL-t to see what's happening: load: 0.10 cmd: git 9230 [piperd] 110.50r 0.00u 0.00s 0% 7076k mi_switch+0xc2 sleepq_catch_signals+0x2e6 sleepq_wait_sig+0x9 _sleep+0x1f2 pipe_read+0x3d6 dofileread+0x81 sys_read+0xbc amd64_syscall+0x10c fast_syscall_common+0xf8 ^C dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % uname -a FreeBSD whizzer 13.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % git --version git version 2.39.1 dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % git remote -v origin https://github.com/dalers/weberp.git (fetch) origin https://github.com/dalers/weberp.git (push) upstream https://github.com/webERP-team/webERP.git (fetch) upstream https://github.com/webERP-team/webERP.git (push) dale@whizzer:/usr/local/www/weberp % From nobody Thu Jan 26 09:16:06 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2Znv72lMz3b8ZK for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2Znv5R8jz44lr for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id o5so775258qtr.11 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 01:16:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=G71f1DJD1mhXJx9Z/jp4U/WF5DZ9Df9ajimhmy+/UoY=; b=fvAfQ3IcnvEYMv4jkfs4iN3szQKfVKDRBVIiDSq/fdqtzna1RTr78+CA6izNJJuF32 qDt7uXqS9jdx2/lGNosE3Xvbt6dCQXWIqwkd1afsl1PXegLSFpdYzaTfkifMbJ6La9bo hl080X7nA/sT+vhc/OEq5MLrF/sBBInhlEbQ3X/w//QxnZyntVDo8VUXA6cfRwTauppX 02lwHFcmjrHxLahuLhbotTjOksx2IgIQYbtOopxdqKA4Am0QUgw/tejRMgbqs4BfX1o5 1s52/cqz7+t0c2A/wtDG1+Mod6NUcaGzs2BhTwo87w3hOo07HGbr4emiHYmOJNj7Nd3o nggA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=G71f1DJD1mhXJx9Z/jp4U/WF5DZ9Df9ajimhmy+/UoY=; b=lF4noHaU7nTja+mGY32Oi2pjcPalCoDO0dhDMcYtUInYW41Gev7f1G5uHNoi3R6Z1D aI9VHgP+HJJ52Ojnz+KuiMxZeYGaQ0Xtr2gKL7dUdLBBxzzJP6MwBqH27xfxgnmhqooS Z0iKF//gN2lp3vYiTIiQafhz4f5Pn8cH7Y9MyNm5HT7u+uTUvEvcuYkt/j7etId0ctfu F2xjc6FnCh59+z6tGfPwWGdqWXDQAvp0m3vX55o2w2fRrparTE5tHRqvT7ukdcZj3mft zjXNOmJtxPmrkkrGJoxmahRjDPP8Yxup2Avr3U/LP6MRgOuYTKubWGSfEAH3dQhmpvYc qeWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koMXDWwmODun8jBrfVwv2oZRFrwHAwl73JCg7wSsIe51EuzdSXN KugenZIWC7UwnyPKnY74t3aKeA/fq4+CAJaw X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtjYcAJFvc1Qh7smn/F8tLQBMpF6lVpALLhGH5kFtLbDc4zsnxuo8hSOBP5JSiOdhDveIgRww== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1f16:b0:3b6:369f:c219 with SMTP id ca22-20020a05622a1f1600b003b6369fc219mr55953957qtb.56.1674724578691; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 01:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb1-f177.google.com (mail-yb1-f177.google.com. 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To: Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2Znv5R8jz44lr X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 4:36 AM Dale Scott wrote: > Hi all, > I'm attempting my first push to a GitHub repo in my personal account, using a Personal Access Token (classic) for authentication. > The push seems to start off ok, but then seems to hang. > Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong? Do you use gnupg 2.3.8? Can you use older package version (it should be cached in /var)? Remember to restart gpg-agent after reinstall :-) I have this problem too on one machine gnupg + gpg-agent + yubikey. 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I am doing a backup for some machines (OpenBSD and Linux) to a FreeBSD machine (13.1-RELEASE-p5) with ZFS using rsync (usually with `-avhz`). The problem I always encounter is that if I do an rsync to FreeBSD everything is smooth, but the other way around, after some files copied, the FreeBSD machine hangs. I tried even using `--bwlimit=5000`, but it is the same. I can't ssh, nothing. Just hard restart. I tried looking in the logs but I didn't get any useful information. Any hint? From nobody Thu Jan 26 11:18:19 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2dW32NYXz3bSmv for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from prima.febras.net (prima.febras.net [62.76.193.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.febras.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2dW20sVWz4JkN for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of serejk@febras.net designates 62.76.193.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=serejk@febras.net; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (host.164-138-92-85.broadband.redcom.ru [164.138.92.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: serejk@febras.net) by prima.febras.net ("FEB RAS network Mail Server") with ESMTPSA id 8AFA855B902; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 21:18:20 +1000 (VLAT) From: Korolev Sergey Message-Id: <6F206B4F-4E61-4773-8122-C356E599F619@febras.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FB5AB4E0-36E8-4E81-8F47-D7B5DEE7A584" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.14\)) Subject: Re: rsync freezes FreeBSD machine Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 21:18:19 +1000 In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Ioan Samarul References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.14) X-FEBRAS-Info: Contact e-mail: admin@febras.net X-FEBRAS-ID: 8AFA855B902.A73E8 X-FEBRAS: clean X-FEBRAS-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-12.835, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, AWL 2.89, BAYES_00 -15.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MR_NOT_ATTRIBUTED_IP 0.20, TW_ZF 0.08) X-FEBRAS-From: serejk@febras.net X-FEBRAS-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, samarul.meu@gmail.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.76.193.23]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34017, ipnet:62.76.193.0/24, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[164.138.92.85:server fail,62.76.193.23:server fail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[febras.net]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2dW20sVWz4JkN X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --Apple-Mail=_FB5AB4E0-36E8-4E81-8F47-D7B5DEE7A584 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, my experience (not big, to be honest) says, that the possible reason of = that type of freeze (when nothing helps except hard reboot) is when = processes hangs in =E2=80=98zio=E2=80=99 state. Some deadlock arises = when trying to access to a very busy FS. So, maybe monitoring with = zfs-mon can help, with simultaneous =E2=80=99top=E2=80=99 monitoring in = separate console. > On 26 Jan 2023, at 20:39, Ioan Samarul wrote: >=20 > Hello to you all! >=20 > I am doing a backup for some machines (OpenBSD and Linux) to a FreeBSD > machine (13.1-RELEASE-p5) with ZFS using rsync (usually with `-avhz`). > The problem I always encounter is that if I do an rsync to FreeBSD > everything is smooth, but the other way around, after some files > copied, the FreeBSD machine hangs. I tried even using > `--bwlimit=3D5000`, but it is the same. I can't ssh, nothing. Just = hard > restart. >=20 > I tried looking in the logs but I didn't get any useful information. >=20 > Any hint? >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FB5AB4E0-36E8-4E81-8F47-D7B5DEE7A584 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello,

my = experience (not big, to be honest) says, that the possible reason of = that type of freeze (when nothing helps except hard reboot) is when = processes hangs in =E2=80=98zio=E2=80=99 state. Some deadlock arises = when trying to access to a very busy FS. So, maybe monitoring with = zfs-mon can help, with simultaneous =E2=80=99top=E2=80=99 monitoring in = separate console.

On 26 = Jan 2023, at 20:39, Ioan Samarul <samarul.meu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello = to you all!

I am doing a backup for some = machines (OpenBSD and Linux) to a FreeBSD
machine = (13.1-RELEASE-p5) with ZFS using rsync (usually with `-avhz`).
The problem I always encounter is that if I do an rsync to = FreeBSD
everything is smooth, but the other way around, = after some files
copied, the FreeBSD machine hangs. I = tried even using
`--bwlimit=3D5000`, but it is the same. I = can't ssh, nothing. Just hard
restart.

I tried looking in the logs but I didn't get any useful = information.

Any hint?


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(how to push to Github from FreeBSD) Thread-Index: K0bB+1EJ6NJtmSMYVXQBTiQXjqbSgQ== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfBhtCJ69pzUTkAVx4WqKEJUS8t215nQpjA6MyfUUr83xJzY7ike/rql+GhOJzFL87Xe6ozln7Mc5y6Td13b3RtIvVs3NewGAZGjCcyx7q2UPgmTBBPY5 IbH0jfxO/b+XT50Et06HgJi9UsGWzQDLKMRiE4wjjTGc8BMbk0QLBoI+EFRpjgl8iYWX5eB4Uyvz5VOl/uWW4Rrgip+CIpJAzPdqGYQfi+/ce5SiOmlRzatF X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2kyv19B1z3QPX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomek CEDRO" > To: "Dale Scott (dalescott@shaw)" > Cc: "freebsd-questions" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 2:16:06 AM > Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 4:36 AM Dale Scott wrote: >> Hi all, >> I'm attempting my first push to a GitHub repo in my personal account, using a >> Personal Access Token (classic) for authentication. >> The push seems to start off ok, but then seems to hang. >> Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong? > > Do you use gnupg 2.3.8? Can you use older package version (it should > be cached in /var)? Remember to restart gpg-agent after reinstall :-) > > I have this problem too on one machine gnupg + gpg-agent + yubikey. > Using older version so far helps. Thanks for replying Tomek. I'm not using gnpug (or gpg-agent or yubikey). I had thought (clearly incorrectly) that simply entering my personal access token on the command line as my username password would work. As a temporary workaround, I copied the repository to a Windows laptop where I pushed to my GitHub repo using GitExtensions. This resulted in some magic (a browser window opened for me to login to GitHub to authenticate), after which the push proceeded. I then received an email from GitHub reporting "A first-party GitHub OAuth application (Git Credential Manager) with gist, repo, and workflow scopes was recently authorized to access your account." I see GCM (Git Credential Manager) is not supported on FreeBSD and has not been ported to the ports collection. Further, Google can't seem to find anything useful regarding how to authenticate when pushing from FreeBSD to GitHub today. Can you explain your workflow in more detail? It looks like I've got some reseach to do.... Thanks, Dale From nobody Thu Jan 26 18:16:09 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2pn0169fz3bJJ1 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4322.protonmail.ch (mail-4322.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2pmz5qGgz400x for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:16:09 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1674756977; x=1675016177; bh=935HJCvXHFtyxuW7tUznLuGhHDF2Ub3F+S2X5ga84XY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=C5Imm/pqozwcqWp4svnTfd1AIFELk53bXlj7IQC0rBsFqWc0VkfN2worFw3LZJxsB HzORhntZ9or+mIi/kvVnIY1hpkBKdWYBRZKi7k7naFEMEOWfV6Z+ZfPcyJ9okimxpz j4DYhR75bThSuJy9bGTguCgtpeNs9jJZPO06Dy6/XZ4HmRDUZYPHe4Yizz9rf6IZ85 sElQG2g2Ers2acH1DzcBTqcxRl/9HK00AnNvE6UXUiRey0eLUVK39+B4XnTXmvpaBU FRcxEWMFquE2iNH+CW7YC08Jatvq/SBm8K5FqYYLuxraFeJtWaIfD1AonxJkI5PM9p EPjtnMYyO5+hQ== To: Dale Scott From: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> Cc: Tomek CEDRO , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? (how to push to Github from FreeBSD) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1461614347.22885986.1674746677113.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <2088347522.21487875.1674704156310.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1461614347.22885986.1674746677113.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Feedback-ID: 39071764:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2pmz5qGgz400x X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > Can you explain your workflow in more detail? It looks like I've got some= reseach to do.... Hi Dale, It is common to authenticate with GitHub for clone, pull, and=20 push operations using an SSH key. It is recommended (but not required) for = the key to be protected by a passphrase.=20 I recommend GitHub's documentation to learn more: https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh/gen= erating-a-new-ssh-key-and-adding-it-to-the-ssh-agent After you have generated an SSH key, you should add the public=20 key to your GitHub account through their website. You might=20 also find the "ssh-keygen", "ssh-agent" and "ssh_config" man=20 pages helpful. From nobody Thu Jan 26 19:24:18 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2rHg3YSCz3bTd6 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [147.160.157.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "A1-48603", Issuer "A1-48603" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2rHg18xqz4GVn for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 30QJOJVn087452 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:24:19 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 30QJOI0r087447; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:24:19 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:24:18 +0000 (UTC) From: doug@safeport.com Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Korolev Sergey cc: Ioan Samarul , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rsync freezes FreeBSD machine In-Reply-To: <6F206B4F-4E61-4773-8122-C356E599F619@febras.net> Message-ID: References: <6F206B4F-4E61-4773-8122-C356E599F619@febras.net> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2rHg18xqz4GVn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6405, ipnet:147.160.157.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Korolev Sergey wrote: > Hello, > my experience (not big, to be honest) says, that the possible reason of that type of freeze > (when nothing helps except hard reboot) is when processes hangs in ?zio? state. Some deadlock > arises when trying to access to a very busy FS. So, maybe monitoring with zfs-mon can help, > with simultaneous ?top? monitoring in separate console. > > On 26 Jan 2023, at 20:39, Ioan Samarul wrote: > > Hello to you all! > > I am doing a backup for some machines (OpenBSD and Linux) to a FreeBSD > machine (13.1-RELEASE-p5) with ZFS using rsync (usually with `-avhz`). > The problem I always encounter is that if I do an rsync to FreeBSD > everything is smooth, but the other way around, after some files > copied, the FreeBSD machine hangs. I tried even using > `--bwlimit=5000`, but it is the same. I can't ssh, nothing. Just hard > restart. > > I tried looking in the logs but I didn't get any useful information. > > Any hint? > If zfs is involved at all, no help from me. I use rsync over ssh to backup about 700GB. The souce system is in a jail. Both systems are FreeBSD. The command: rsync -vvain --numeric-ids -e ssh host1.com:/src-dir/ /home/user/host1_backup/target-dir/ The above is on one line. A couple of things. "n" is your friend. "vv" generates a line-by-line log of what was done with each file. I started with a base that was generated on a different system. I was never able to get rsync to recognize unchanged files. Eventually I gave up and started from scratch. Using "vvain:" on the direction that does not work might provide some information about the error. As no data is acutally transfered in this case, if that hangs the log may point to the issue. 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(how to push to Github from FreeBSD) To: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com>, Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2ryn5QTjz3LX6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 7:16 PM 0x1eef wrote: > > > Can you explain your workflow in more detail? It looks like I've got some reseach to do.... > > Hi Dale, > > It is common to authenticate with GitHub for clone, pull, and > push operations using an SSH key. It is recommended (but not required) for the key to be protected by a passphrase. > > I recommend GitHub's documentation to learn more: > > https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh/generating-a-new-ssh-key-and-adding-it-to-the-ssh-agent > > After you have generated an SSH key, you should add the public > key to your GitHub account through their website. You might > also find the "ssh-keygen", "ssh-agent" and "ssh_config" man > pages helpful. Yup, ssh key auth is the most common (and welcome by server) way to go, please try this one and report back :-) If you do not want to store private key in a file you can put it in the usb token, then you need gpg-agent :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Thu Jan 26 19:57:47 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2s2L4SjTz3bpxg for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2s2K6kFhz3MyP for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id x5so2263534qti.3 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:58:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=bkcNWzFeKB0mWFjQuWgiDair+uR9M/0v7p2ZCm+Dzic=; b=PvahiuYa1ZG92cVdx7hgcKXSZ9bU/Ea7fq/wocbbbJJ7XCw/kMFFJxoi/B4SHiMqAQ 9yLVjGLfJWKN0fVD6vyiTeWlUZQxoNutDr0FrVz6OQ4+sFWJYnWlM8TJahgBr7bMFbwT asGzrSmS9+X9tlmjvywvW+5fhXEQDrmsYa+1Fn/MutP92OBw2oDLBhhmrQG0bEvgArY8 kZXBY/ApVbaNJyFxFG1XpkwE1gjSQdPZhGvuZy+4Q2D7Aux4NVRkzZ8SEj4JZ8B1+w1s mV0r0cTXexLK4CQUgPW4kaYPNNb8IkdFlkMuR6a1C4jXz0Sd289xDrtKPhqKEP5i89/x pTEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bkcNWzFeKB0mWFjQuWgiDair+uR9M/0v7p2ZCm+Dzic=; b=UdOp7z+I2JrYaEwg/2Iu2JMLrDmcEOjQuEvWzmmZoS+nCGE5bJgHGbjsdCKaN/MI4E JSVcuZIXd1F/dD5DQzkSnZzxrxew85/Oztjmph79qPej3pSKsL2x2Do6QOxR0YNg/MIW 06EvpFdbDNCf8A/9U/6YozoCq2yWEfPgtvNaVENASH1BbTe3sde/76hvBoGyYrF4AsVy FDlqogqjZWY8ElyGfOD4HOmUFR37RSC/L4L5D1qycaBkUs6hE6KeXG4M7GRCQAPZx3UR v7A0ZbIL3WeLDQggk6cOLdhZQcgBe5pIaPqlEPcKJ6xBMGJlb0+b03Eqnm3142+hkI/0 uQVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koGINAi4O6pTWqAo1zkjdDpj7eo2XU/HZvGfStgvIBY11SXIUMi nyHu/WxmpSXKfVABWVvA8DsyD8vXHwabsYYY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtIoemSUpZEg7hCwm2uCyVEFv9Jfd9k7aGSHeN5vg4n1EyGnHh91nek5fxnRsw5+5wKc6ugsA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7959:0:b0:3b6:2c49:3e77 with SMTP id r25-20020ac87959000000b003b62c493e77mr43181754qtt.31.1674763080809; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw1-f182.google.com (mail-yw1-f182.google.com. 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(how to push to Github from FreeBSD) To: Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2s2K6kFhz3MyP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 4:24 PM Dale Scott wrote: > (..) > Thanks for replying Tomek. I'm not using gnpug (or gpg-agent or yubikey).= I had thought (clearly incorrectly) that simply entering my personal acces= s token on the command line as my username password would work. > > As a temporary workaround, I copied the repository to a Windows laptop wh= ere I pushed to my GitHub repo using GitExtensions. This resulted in some m= agic (a browser window opened for me to login to GitHub to authenticate), a= fter which the push proceeded. I then received an email from GitHub reporti= ng "A first-party GitHub OAuth application (Git Credential Manager) with gi= st, repo, and workflow scopes was recently authorized to access your accoun= t." Well, it seems that GitHub does not allow username + password (credentials) auth, but oauth and ssh auth only. On windoze you were redirected to oauth, but that was no user credentials auth. Please try using ssh auth as descibed in other reply, this one should work out of the box on all client platforms and most servers :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Thu Jan 26 23:30:44 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2xlp6F3Wz3b6Wv for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2xlp4LPMz4N2X for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4001a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.142]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id L7xZpSya2c9C4LBhdpwbzY; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:30:45 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1674775845; bh=5sqnhlkst96vmh3gszBAvdcTmnqrKyG4YzEJrJd4/2A=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=FRIXaSbOVw/W0DJrrDQGrIDz0BVhhdemetVnHQFgMmE7un5Y/EDkUOkZ7AxA2TpGq JOAFRs9l7vMsRXe7ggstIvE2gj+pxXADZ8K88okfiV4G3xp+hJl7eWbeuPSP+syRZO tD39shZGiGr8jxKgzDfs12tJVbtW5c1/Ak6A//OuXr6T91LOJnbc8InCNplpMawejE 9bOk0eURJOnEmcaQ/9thVCWw8pTLevIKkTLVleLdBqHXp0T1273GvKKrW76decgOEK dtXqvgw/XnEQ7TzUpbF8rcQa6D5B+fTlTztkQSOjZlJI6MYdl93twf+//Q8E59TRic UFd6q+g5sCMFg== Received: from cds220.dcs.int.inet ([64.59.134.6]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id LBhcp8iLIHFsOLBhcphQkE; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:30:44 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=XZqaca15 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=63d30d24 a=9zdlX7M534QhL7mOrorEvQ==:117 a=CU-ez75lMe6tua3-:21 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=on0NmgUIp3IA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=sfOm8-O8AAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=GUfD1UccAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=f8ffklrFPp6UhgNMqt4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=834IS-D2GE8uhZXcNXcv:22 a=TvTJqdcANYtsRzA46cdi:22 a=-EiQn41SfbDD0E51JUit:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:30:44 -0700 (MST) From: Dale Scott To: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> Cc: Tomek CEDRO , freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1043094158.25106249.1674775844296.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: References: <2088347522.21487875.1674704156310.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1461614347.22885986.1674746677113.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? (how to push to Github from FreeBSD) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [162.223.103.50, 162.223.103.50] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_4464 (ZimbraWebClient - GC109 (Win)/8.8.15_GA_4468) Thread-Topic: push to github repo hangs - why? (how to push to Github from FreeBSD) Thread-Index: si1ileqjyjJvBhwdImH3xB4VdLDhKA== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfHLntG2Hdku4dqpFaKnsL6hZiWIX0iwOX4GPQL/KJyOTEc8a878MpNNSdd7UMNRDNGp5nnwZ/k53a3NeN54fmCOfnYtwS2y/vzcd6p8HCA2aprzZdWq/ 47ZwyISr9ivSAmx/2Dn7UO0PNppmcLA7vQXd6xwTHROXheVyiZB4qc4f4/muLXjJdJDTjfQyW8kumncMPy5mNB6KBRyB5JDIb18aJ92OZi3zL8CLourlJ3mh ljtEWnxW71+2ced5q+XU480xvhSWWUqQCunoYwafgWE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2xlp4LPMz4N2X X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N ----- Original Message ----- > From: "0x1eef" <0x1eef@protonmail.com> > To: "Dale Scott (dalescott@shaw)" > Cc: "Tomek CEDRO" , "freebsd-questions" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 11:16:09 AM > Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? (how to push to Github from FreeBSD) > > It is common to authenticate with GitHub for clone, pull, and > push operations using an SSH key. It is recommended (but not required) for the > key to be protected by a passphrase. > > I recommend GitHub's documentation to learn more: > > https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh/generating-a-new-ssh-key-and-adding-it-to-the-ssh-agent > > After you have generated an SSH key, you should add the public > key to your GitHub account through their website. You might > also find the "ssh-keygen", "ssh-agent" and "ssh_config" man > pages helpful. Thanks for your suggestion. I was mistakedly thinking ssh wasn't available, but I was confusing using git over ssh with GitHub (which iiuc is no longer supported), with using ssh authentication for git over https. I will add my public ssh key to my github account and expect success this time (I'm already using my private key to ssh login to other servers, so I expect that part should already work). From nobody Thu Jan 26 23:31:51 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P2xn51X2mz3b73T for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P2xn45zKjz4PN5 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4004a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.227]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id LBXfpZds1l2xSLBihpw1iv; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:31:51 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1674775911; bh=0SuMlfsPc4HRxOEz1yDPLn3vfUTgWwtShNez2kZBVHk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=mCTG6w8Z0Po7UOQcunze4uK/lWWbdXsujNU/xW5pwxFQgpUK45Bn7IVQvBME7uu/L yUTZXsLb2ar9rQ15lqUjshEUZB2EKRRDmUpTKsQ+JbGF4pdjUVlK03uHC99J35T/9b WhueGQk1uOvs9+BRi2X4QMGUiCLmoKCy7IMQ8SJIBsSfLRxl0MnUOf680T9lKCjtw+ ACNAa8TzVSOljyUpRjKZ3/jiNuctYg2vl5PgA/ykp+pT7p++dc42wKha7l5UDq8bJ1 Loq9Kt/zuPJfFi4lfBUWkbi1zPRw98CMIhGNyW3yMFhI0Wi6498BHBqzb7a1L8SllX C8U2dslZ7sKNQ== Received: from cds220.dcs.int.inet ([64.59.134.6]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id LBihpGfUL3fOSLBihpsS6y; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:31:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=J8G5USrS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=63d30d67 a=9zdlX7M534QhL7mOrorEvQ==:117 a=CU-ez75lMe6tua3-:21 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=on0NmgUIp3IA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=GUfD1UccAAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=cY9l5pRdivuyitbPIAgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=834IS-D2GE8uhZXcNXcv:22 a=-EiQn41SfbDD0E51JUit:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:31:51 -0700 (MST) From: Dale Scott To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1937914732.25109709.1674775911059.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: References: <2088347522.21487875.1674704156310.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1461614347.22885986.1674746677113.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? 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(how to push to Github from FreeBSD) Thread-Index: zMnncqdRVgZ5adLcRCc6LAJRG1ro9g== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfLkHEuD71ZTUryb/iMO1r4RRaC1Cc82lGpcXX1gTPkxTK9oehVgKRRFN3omDCzbM3mR6V4udft3dCPy//Ys17dJZLt0lk5aynpcgHAQxv+uA3Z9Hw2VO zzyGbkuT6bnv6YDffUFowiLTHHKi+u2IPvWI8hQR7HEPzZjEEXJJqwcPbjemlwtiRerYiqSaTYQJLRg0D/Py6WV5Q1H/t/EhNQmynjNiKCnxcyNfvyPVg004 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2xn45zKjz4PN5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomek CEDRO" > To: "Dale Scott (dalescott@shaw)" > Cc: "freebsd-questions" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 12:57:47 PM > Subject: Re: push to github repo hangs - why? (how to push to Github from FreeBSD) > Please try using ssh auth as descibed in other reply, this one should > work out of the box on all client platforms and most servers :-) Will do! Thanks for your help! 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(how to push to Github from FreeBSD) To: Dale Scott Cc: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com>, freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P2ym36nYGz4Scl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:30 AM Dale Scott wrote: > Thanks for your suggestion. I was mistakedly thinking ssh wasn't available, but I was confusing using git over ssh with GitHub (which iiuc is no longer supported), with using ssh authentication for git over https. With ssh auth you can even set your own git repo on any ssh account with git init --bare that comes handy when you want to have place for backup (you can git push to many repos see git remote) or simply use your own git repo for any reason :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Sat Jan 28 01:58:38 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P3d004LGqz3bsSX for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 01:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P3d003q6Fz3s9m for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 01:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1674871120; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=+c/na8du/sujKSWS6cPR8UXEkneZqNrwbAQJxh+ssus=; b=v7bx7Hkft8jSbqXskhs1SuJLumDBYfcZKMaHWWor8pls2KNWoEZNeX3s/lfgoSRhlScp+S bWCFcjpLoi0RwM9TI5c063Xdzzd/FrwjAB1qAyQ4rxwy4vJzo8vlCOmTeUsyToKxU3kaUQ Tlk1qIXCH4KKzSqprjXsMbhkFStrmU07KzuApg+/tIfUYXTiN8XissFIHy9lGHa9avRGMM FXfQ2RZxkEues4ZN0RZr4/FqrbH/AVjHmj2PagE/JiYfN16vdFJvGza6r/2cIflM1tYl/p El+D2ol21Oaw7rVfRhMZyT0LWR9nWOHTVEfsrrJ33cux/OHJcRA+pWumAzrtUw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1674871120; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=+c/na8du/sujKSWS6cPR8UXEkneZqNrwbAQJxh+ssus=; b=Eu02JUrQ0vV31YL5FrnWHP/4/Wo5CMQQooggM4o3nPtkCbxyGXh0sKBFOej6RwncJ9mgs5 lciMykI/QSB2qG3aUyobPW6vjdgrV6ireucfc9GE2W2rkKQv3zgdfXo4pnUrxFIcjP8ukM GvSXWyCA//GR0XEzLZaQdD+uWNz3iVgem1ebV7hhH4L+mJ8q7FneJHYK71EcNfgR6yEXd7 gpJb0RbP65k5ieB/CjqTUseuF+EjZDyvYKe5It1lHuGc6TTj9mTifauGMB7/68/l5MZxR5 mSiXWrF2JRBMjDLlSMkdQKs7yBUYh+XLcaVIk8rFVYpMawz81kW0nOabQ693NQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1674871120; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=tsBVtyvh3h39StgqCf7dY2SXywhlN4efJGNRZUAI6uJgi8RvniogIRILjoBDW9JW9yYxdf Bj1USRcvcf4b7qFfrKBO0c+qu0k9PgUhNplCESAZW4sGxPZ+EDrdcFwTZx52+bwYVOclt2 WY6kV0zcpc8KF0woYo1vL38Gyx7NhgUS+Pp+NDbT7zWos2KDD6/U0aWZ8h7BktpRpJzrIY myjrR/nrFiMztr/DQK76qE65N317ml9j2ru3+9actYvXp+41elpfzg01oNG7zmWg1TMYak g3NUN1ev0bJbcUq7OLzl6YGCEnzzj/1oslTGBJ3asSac61FZn4EIV6+hqhSBNg== Received: from [IPV6:2001:470:1f1c:a0::2] (tunnel642390-pt.tunnel.tserv1.lon2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f1c:a0::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grahamperrin) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4P3d00170PzJrP for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 01:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <0dbd092d-9612-1704-e6a2-36ee366a9d70@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 01:58:38 +0000 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.6.1 Subject: GitHub: personal access tokens (classic) (was: push to github repo hangs - why?) 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On 26/01/2023 19:57, Tomek CEDRO wrote= :
=E2=80=A6 it seems that GitH=
ub does not allow username + password
(credentials) auth, but oauth and ssh auth only. =E2=80=A6


From <https://github.com/settings/tokens>: 

=E2=80=A6 can be used in=
stead of a password for Git over HTTPS, =E2=80=A6

=E2=80=93 and push does work for me.

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