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([2600:1015:a000:e23a:14c7:ff16:8e04:62c8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ea19-20020ad458b3000000b0062626bd3683sm9615742qvb.59.2023.07.01.16.50.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Jul 2023 16:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Friedrich X-Google-Original-From: Steven Friedrich Message-ID: <5b220b92-8882-6755-f4a6-daedc11a4d30@Gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 19:50:14 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2-p1 hanging To: questions@freebsd.org References: <280960a2-6406-97bc-173b-0ddc7a2ce75a@khubla.com> <90c9f1e5-b1eb-3c54-2f37-fc35ae1570af@khubla.com> <48201e39-f3d1-488a-9d9a-7342ef91a54e@freebsd.org> <6fd724c5-1ac7-39a7-b805-91dcdcd73927@khubla.com> <5bdac425-adfd-2f98-c1ec-ecec6ea09508@freebsd.org> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <5bdac425-adfd-2f98-c1ec-ecec6ea09508@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.02 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.992]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29:server fail,2600:1015:a000:e23a:14c7:ff16:8e04:62c8:server fail]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QtppK0sDBz3hq6 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I would try the buildworld, buildkernel before spending time fretting. YMMV. On 7/1/23 1:06 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 01/07/2023 16:37, Tom Everett wrote: > >> … a follow-up that things have been stable, until this morning when I >> woke up to essentially the same; system hung and unresponsive to the >> keyboard or ssh. >> >> … > > > Add the line below to /etc/sysctl.conf then restart the OS. > > hw.acpi.power_button_state="S5" > > > S5 should cause a press on the power button to gracefully shut down the > computer. In my experience this button sometimes works when FreeBSD is > otherwise unresponsive. > > I guess, the next thing to consider would be graphics. > > -- FreeBSD slimline.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC amd64 SLIMLINE is GENERIC with unnecessary drivers removed /usr/ports/.git/HEAD ref: refs/heads/2023Q2 From nobody Sun Jul 2 00:08:35 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QtqCZ1qJZz4kxSl for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@khubla.com) Received: from mailout.easymail.ca (mailout.easymail.ca [64.68.200.34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QtqCY3wKzz3pMl; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@khubla.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easymail.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728A461974; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:08:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo07-pco.easydns.vpn Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo07-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91XvYE-hH0NN; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gargamel-2.ascot.khubla.lan (d198-166-24-90.abhsia.telus.net [198.166.24.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easymail.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78A8B60CD0; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2-p1 hanging To: Graham Perrin Cc: FreeBSD questions References: <280960a2-6406-97bc-173b-0ddc7a2ce75a@khubla.com> <90c9f1e5-b1eb-3c54-2f37-fc35ae1570af@khubla.com> <48201e39-f3d1-488a-9d9a-7342ef91a54e@freebsd.org> <6fd724c5-1ac7-39a7-b805-91dcdcd73927@khubla.com> <5bdac425-adfd-2f98-c1ec-ecec6ea09508@freebsd.org> From: Tom Everett Message-ID: <44bfc35e-c138-0e75-40d4-0952d2ec1abc@khubla.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 18:08:35 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.60 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5bdac425-adfd-2f98-c1ec-ecec6ea09508@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------793622461FDFAD6982685D17" Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QtqCY3wKzz3pMl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------793622461FDFAD6982685D17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit done!  let's see what happens! I do find it interesting that this only happened after the last update. It's possible that it's a coincidence, however the timing seems very suspicious. Here are some specifics * Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI-rev-1x#kf) * Bios F38b (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI-rev-1x/support#support-dl-bios) * Processor AMD Ryzen 3 3900X 12-Core Processor * Video MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC (https://ca.msi.com/Graphics-Card/Radeon-RX-580-ARMOR-8G-OC) > Graham Perrin > July 1, 2023 at 11:06 AM > On 01/07/2023 16:37, Tom Everett wrote: > > > > Add the line below to /etc/sysctl.conf then restart the OS. > > hw.acpi.power_button_state="S5" > > > S5 should cause a press on the power button to gracefully shut down > the computer. In my experience this button sometimes works when > FreeBSD is otherwise unresponsive. > > I guess, the next thing to consider would be graphics. > > > Tom Everett > July 1, 2023 at 9:37 AM > Hey Graham just a follow-up that things have been stable, until this > morning when I woke up to essentially the same; system hung and > unresponsive to the keyboard or ssh. > > > > > Tom Everett > June 26, 2023 at 7:37 AM > That is possible.  Thanks! > > > > Graham Perrin > June 25, 2023 at 9:51 PM > > On 25/06/2023 22:22, Tom Everett wrote: > > > Thanks. Since you now get what's expected at boot time, my guess is > that you previously had an incomplete update. > > Tom Everett > June 25, 2023 at 3:22 PM > No hangs since yesterday afternoon.  I'll email back if it happens again. > > I'm on amd64.  I get: > > ---<>--- > Copyright (c) 1992-2021 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >     The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC amd64 > FreeBSD clang version 14.0.5 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git > llvmorg-14.0.5-0-gc12386ae247c) > > > > > -- Sent from Postbox --------------793622461FDFAD6982685D17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit done!  let's see what happens!

I do find it interesting that this only happened after the last update.  It's possible that it's a coincidence, however the timing seems very suspicious.

Here are some specifics




July 1, 2023 at 11:06 AM
On 01/07/2023 16:37, Tom Everett wrote:



Add the line below to /etc/sysctl.conf then restart the OS.

hw.acpi.power_button_state="S5"


S5 should cause a press on the power button to gracefully shut down the computer. In my experience this button sometimes works when FreeBSD is otherwise unresponsive.

I guess, the next thing to consider would be graphics.


July 1, 2023 at 9:37 AM
Hey Graham just a follow-up that things have been stable, until this morning when I woke up to essentially the same; system hung and unresponsive to the keyboard or ssh.




June 26, 2023 at 7:37 AM
That is possible.  Thanks!



June 25, 2023 at 9:51 PM

On 25/06/2023 22:22, Tom Everett wrote:


Thanks. Since you now get what's expected at boot time, my guess is that you previously had an incomplete update.

June 25, 2023 at 3:22 PM
No hangs since yesterday afternoon.  I'll email back if it happens again. 

I'm on amd64.  I get:

---<<BOOT>>---
Copyright (c) 1992-2021 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC amd64
FreeBSD clang version 14.0.5 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git llvmorg-14.0.5-0-gc12386ae247c)






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Or at least, on any that include S5 in sysctl hw=2Eacpi=2Esupported_sleep_state ? 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On 02/07/2023 00:50, Steven Friedrich wrote:

I would= try the buildworld, buildkernel =E2=80=A6

Am I missing something?

(This is a RELEASE case.)

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