From nobody Tue Jun 6 13:24:00 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QbB5t4N77z4bZd3; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QbB5s3yd7z3jBs; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of karl@denninger.net designates 104.236.120.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=karl@denninger.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=denninger.net Received: from denninger.net (096-033-195-197.res.spectrum.com [96.33.195.197]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E457C2110CF; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 09:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.25] (D15.Denninger.Net [192.168.10.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 786A029A7EE; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 09:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <220afa61-4508-5dbd-c870-e405aa23c895@denninger.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 09:24:00 -0400 List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-scsi List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.2 Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org From: Karl Denninger Subject: Camcontrol question related to Seagate disks Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms070302080207000105050102" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.14 / 15.00]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.943]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[denninger.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.30)[-0.298]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[karl]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[96.33.195.197:server fail,104.236.120.189:server fail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QbB5s3yd7z3jBs X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070302080207000105050102 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ycqhvkIXdHyAkOGLBahE0ovV" --------------ycqhvkIXdHyAkOGLBahE0ovV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Certain "newer" Seagate drives have an EPC profile that doesn't interact as expected with the camcontrol "standard" way to tell spinning disks to go into an idle state. Specifically those that support this: https://www.seagate.com/files/docs/pdf/en-GB/whitepaper/tp608-powerchoice-tech-provides-gb.pdf The usual has been "camcontrol idle da{x} -t 600" has typically resulted in a 10 minute timeout, after which it goes into low power (sometimes you want "standby" rather than "idle" depending on the recovery time and power mode you're after and the specifics of the drive in question.) On these Seagate drives, however, you get this back after the time expires: root@NewFS:/home/karl # camcontrol epc da0 -c status APM: NOT Supported, NOT Enabled EPC: Supported, Enabled Low Power Standby NOT Supported Set EPC Power Source NOT Supported Current power state: PM0:Active or PM1:Idle(0xff) In other words it did NOT go into low-power mode even though it says it is supported, on said timer AND the "600 second" setting "took": root@NewFS:/home/karl # camcontrol epc da0 -c list ATA Power Conditions Log:   Idle power conditions page:     Idle A condition:       Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Default Timer Enabled,              Saved Timer Enabled, Current Timer Enabled       Default timer setting: 0.0 sec       Saved timer setting: 0.0 sec       Current timer setting: 0.0 sec       Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec       Minimum timer: 0.0 sec       Maximum timer: 1.0 sec       Number of transitions to power condition: 0       Hours in power condition: 0     Idle B condition:       Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Default Timer Enabled,              Saved Timer Enabled, Current Timer Enabled       Default timer setting: 120.0 sec       Saved timer setting: 120.0 sec       Current timer setting: 120.0 sec       Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec       Minimum timer: 0.0 sec       Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec       Number of transitions to power condition: 0       Hours in power condition: 0     Idle C condition:       Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable       Default timer setting: 600.0 sec       Saved timer setting: 600.0 sec       Current timer setting: 0.0 sec       Nominal time to active: 6.0 sec       Minimum timer: 0.0 sec       Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec       Number of transitions to power condition: 0       Hours in power condition: 0   Standby power conditions page:     Standby Y condition:       Flags: None       Default timer setting: 0.0 sec       Saved timer setting: 0.0 sec       Current timer setting: 0.0 sec       Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec       Minimum timer: 0.0 sec       Maximum timer: 0.0 sec       Number of transitions to power condition: 0       Hours in power condition: 0     Standby Z condition:       Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Current Timer Enabled       Default timer setting: 900.0 sec       Saved timer setting: 900.0 sec       Current timer setting: 600.0 sec       Nominal time to active: 22.0 sec       Minimum timer: 0.0 sec       Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec       Number of transitions to power condition: 0       Hours in power condition: 0 The reason is that /it appears //these drives, on power-up, do not enable the timers /until and unless you send a SSU "START" with the correct power conditioning bits. Specifically, the power conditioning value of "7h" has to be specified.  If its not then the EPC timers are present but, it appears, they are not used. Does anyone know the proper camcontrol command to do this?  The "start" command sent when the system spins up does not appear to do so.  If I send an "idle" or "standby" to the drive with a timeout it takes effect immediately but any access to it spins it up (as expected) and it does not re-enter the lower-power mode on the timer, implying that the SSU command did not enable the timers, and thus they remain inactive even though they ARE set and camcontrol does report them. This would appear to be fixable with a line in /etc/rc.local aimed at said drives that sends a "start" with the correct bits set but camcontrol's man page is rather ambiguous on exactly how to do that. Thanks in advance! -- Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ycqhvkIXdHyAkOGLBahE0ovV Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Certain "newer" Seagate drives have an EPC profile that doesn't interact as expected with the camcontrol "standard" way to tell spinning disks to go into an idle state.

Specifically those that support this: https://www.seagate.com/files/docs/pdf/en-GB/whitepaper/tp608-powerchoice-tech-provides-gb.pdf

The usual has been "camcontrol idle da{x} -t 600" has typically resulted in a 10 minute timeout, after which it goes into low power (sometimes you want "standby" rather than "idle" depending on the recovery time and power mode you're after and the specifics of the drive in question.)

On these Seagate drives, however, you get this back after the time expires:

root@NewFS:/home/karl # camcontrol epc da0 -c status
APM: NOT Supported, NOT Enabled
EPC: Supported, Enabled
Low Power Standby NOT Supported
Set EPC Power Source NOT Supported
Current power state: PM0:Active or PM1:Idle(0xff)

In other words it did NOT go into low-power mode even though it says it is supported, on said timer AND the "600 second" setting "took":

root@NewFS:/home/karl # camcontrol epc da0 -c list
ATA Power Conditions Log:
  Idle power conditions page:
    Idle A condition:
      Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Default Timer Enabled,
             Saved Timer Enabled, Current Timer Enabled
      Default timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Saved timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Current timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec
      Minimum timer: 0.0 sec
      Maximum timer: 1.0 sec
      Number of transitions to power condition: 0
      Hours in power condition: 0
    Idle B condition:
      Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Default Timer Enabled,
             Saved Timer Enabled, Current Timer Enabled
      Default timer setting: 120.0 sec
      Saved timer setting: 120.0 sec
      Current timer setting: 120.0 sec
      Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec
      Minimum timer: 0.0 sec
      Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec
      Number of transitions to power condition: 0
      Hours in power condition: 0
    Idle C condition:
      Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable
      Default timer setting: 600.0 sec
      Saved timer setting: 600.0 sec
      Current timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Nominal time to active: 6.0 sec
      Minimum timer: 0.0 sec
      Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec
      Number of transitions to power condition: 0
      Hours in power condition: 0
  Standby power conditions page:
    Standby Y condition:
      Flags: None
      Default timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Saved timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Current timer setting: 0.0 sec
      Nominal time to active: 0.0 sec
      Minimum timer: 0.0 sec
      Maximum timer: 0.0 sec
      Number of transitions to power condition: 0
      Hours in power condition: 0
    Standby Z condition:
      Flags: Supported, Saveable, Changeable, Current Timer Enabled
      Default timer setting: 900.0 sec
      Saved timer setting: 900.0 sec
      Current timer setting: 600.0 sec
      Nominal time to active: 22.0 sec
      Minimum timer: 0.0 sec
      Maximum timer: 4294967.0 sec
      Number of transitions to power condition: 0
      Hours in power condition: 0

The reason is that it appears these drives, on power-up, do not enable the timers until and unless you send a SSU "START" with the correct power conditioning bits.  Specifically, the power conditioning value of "7h" has to be specified.  If its not then the EPC timers are present but, it appears, they are not used.

Does anyone know the proper camcontrol command to do this?  The "start" command sent when the system spins up does not appear to do so.  If I send an "idle" or "standby" to the drive with a timeout it takes effect immediately but any access to it spins it up (as expected) and it does not re-enter the lower-power mode on the timer, implying that the SSU command did not enable the timers, and thus they remain inactive even though they ARE set and camcontrol does report them.

This would appear to be fixable with a line in /etc/rc.local aimed at said drives that sends a "start" with the correct bits set but camcontrol's man page is rather ambiguous on exactly how to do that.

Thanks in advance!

--
Karl Denninger
karl@denninger.net
The Market Ticker
[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]
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The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- Open | 221952 | cam iosched: Fix trim statistics 1 problems total for which you should take action. --16865172046.C70E.13475 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2023 21:00:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 
The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users,
which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering
all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Status      |    Bug Id | Description
------------+-----------+---------------------------------------------------
Open        |    221952 | cam iosched: Fix trim statistics

1 problems total for which you should take action.
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