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To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: cyric@mm.st In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.25 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mm.st,none]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.35)[0.354]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.12.124.128/27]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mm.st:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[202.12.124.144:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[mm.st]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[mm.st]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mm.st:+,messagingengine.com:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:202.12.124.0/24, country:AU]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4br2cz3Qb2z3lTP X-Spamd-Bar: / Lexi Winter wrote: > Dimitry Andric: >> On 27 Jul 2025, at 12:44, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: >>> >>> after updating from main-n279078-1f2c178e5688 to >>> main-n279105-9b3055d0d4bc (arm64) I have the following issue: >>> >>> $ cc >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. >>> Stack dump: >>> 0. Program arguments: cc >>> 1. Compilation construction >>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): >>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041485ec llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 72 >>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041464ec llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 128 >>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc04148d48 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 412 >>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00000edc06bafc38 _pthread_sigmask + 1320 >>> Segmentation fault >> >> That's a very short trace, with no useful information. Maybe installworld was half-finished? > > i am seeing something similar on amd64 after updating past 9b3055d0d4bc: > > 1& 1? 172!freebsd15 ~/src/bsd/dev [lf/dev/pkgbase-toolchain]% cc > > PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f2c9 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 57 > 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8d185 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 85 > 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f9d7 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 375 > 3 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc88ec _pthread_sigmask + 1340 > 4 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc7ebb pthread_signals_unblock_np + 1467 > 5 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca34449d2d3 pthread_signals_unblock_np + 18446744073462962643 > 6 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34d5b28be llvm::cl::opt>::~opt() + 62 > 7 libc.so.7 0x00001ca35434131f __cxa_finalize + 351 > [2] 5802 bus error (core dumped) cc > > i'm using pkgbase so unlikely to be a partial install. could it be that > this change requires a clean build? 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Zeeb" To: Chris cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ifconfig_bxe0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" seems to break bridging In-Reply-To: <6c28ac48ebdfca06e91347e6b514e2d5@bsdforge.com> Message-ID: <480757q4-5s17-r7qq-95n6-548qpqrr305q@yvfgf.mnoonqbm.arg> References: <756d400d-fa0f-45ea-ba24-235234ee41ff@app.fastmail.com> <868qkd9wkf.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <21cec060-6e1b-4ab3-b0ad-b67c5a7fc288@quip.cz> <6c28ac48ebdfca06e91347e6b514e2d5@bsdforge.com> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[zabbadoz.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zabbadoz.net:s=20240622]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2003:a:140a:2200:6:594:fffe:19]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:2003::/19, country:DE]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zabbadoz.net:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4br2gb4lhCz3mbX X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Thu, 24 Jul 2025, Chris wrote: > On 2025-07-24 14:52, void wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 11:41:17PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote: >>> >>> Well, I've never used or seen the ifconfig_XXX variable with IP in rc.conf >>> without inet. So if somebody has it without it, it's probably wrong >>> configuration. Similar to what has "changed" recently with IP on bridge >>> members instead of IP on bridge. > I vote for it being required. :) I vote for people reading archives from 10-15 years ago whne we started to require "inet6" and why we did not start to require "inet". /bz PS: that said I wished we had broken things back then too. -- Bjoern A. 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Zeeb" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ifconfig_bxe0_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" seems to break bridging In-Reply-To: <480757q4-5s17-r7qq-95n6-548qpqrr305q@yvfgf.mnoonqbm.arg> References: <756d400d-fa0f-45ea-ba24-235234ee41ff@app.fastmail.com> <868qkd9wkf.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <21cec060-6e1b-4ab3-b0ad-b67c5a7fc288@quip.cz> <6c28ac48ebdfca06e91347e6b514e2d5@bsdforge.com> <480757q4-5s17-r7qq-95n6-548qpqrr305q@yvfgf.mnoonqbm.arg> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <26e86eedd657dabfb7bffc339f68c131@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_f0549faf6730fcc34850cddf98e612f3" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4br3Lc71MBz3q1V X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] --=_f0549faf6730fcc34850cddf98e612f3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2025-07-27 19:37, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2025, Chris wrote: > >> On 2025-07-24 14:52, void wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 11:41:17PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I've never used or seen the ifconfig_XXX variable with IP in >>>> rc.conf without inet. So if somebody has it without it, it's probably >>>> wrong configuration. Similar to what has "changed" recently with IP on >>>> bridge members instead of IP on bridge. >> I vote for it being required. :) > > I vote for people reading archives from 10-15 years ago whne we started > to require "inet6" and why we did not start to require "inet". I *do* remember those argume...discussions. > > /bz > > PS: that said I wished we had broken things back then too. Hindsight being what it is. Requiring inet/inet6 just seems like such an obvious choice. :P So yea. 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To: cyric@mm.st Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4br9M04hsSz3Cyx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 7:36=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > > Lexi Winter wrote: > > Dimitry Andric: > >> On 27 Jul 2025, at 12:44, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > >>> > >>> after updating from main-n279078-1f2c178e5688 to > >>> main-n279105-9b3055d0d4bc (arm64) I have the following issue: > >>> > >>> $ cc > >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and in= clude the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > >>> Stack dump: > >>> 0. Program arguments: cc > >>> 1. Compilation construction > >>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in y= our PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > >>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041485ec llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace= (llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 72 > >>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041464ec llvm::sys::RunSignalHandle= rs() + 128 > >>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc04148d48 llvm::support::detail::pro= vider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 41= 2 > >>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00000edc06bafc38 _pthread_sigmask + 1320 > >>> Segmentation fault > >> > >> That's a very short trace, with no useful information. Maybe installwo= rld was half-finished? > > > > i am seeing something similar on amd64 after updating past 9b3055d0d4bc= : > > > > 1& 1? 172!freebsd15 ~/src/bsd/dev [lf/dev/pkgbase-toolchain]% cc > > > > PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and incl= ude the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > > Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in you= r PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > > 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f2c9 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(l= lvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 57 > > 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8d185 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers= () + 85 > > 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f9d7 llvm::support::detail::provi= der_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 375 > > 3 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc88ec _pthread_sigmask + 1340 > > 4 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc7ebb pthread_signals_unblock_np += 1467 > > 5 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca34449d2d3 pthread_signals_unblock_np += 18446744073462962643 > > 6 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34d5b28be llvm::cl::opt>::~opt() + 62 > > 7 libc.so.7 0x00001ca35434131f __cxa_finalize + 351 > > [2] 5802 bus error (core dumped) cc > > > > i'm using pkgbase so unlikely to be a partial install. could it be tha= t > > this change requires a clean build? > > And it looks like this for me, amd64, WITHOUT_CLEAN build (default): Can you confirm if simply setting WITH_LLVM_ASSERTIONS fixes the issue? No clean, no blowing away /usr/obj, etc. I just need a confirmation from someone that a reversion would actually work or if we are stuck in for something deeper. > $ cc --version > FreeBSD clang version 19.1.7 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git > llvmorg-19.1.7-0-gcd708029e0b2) > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd15.0 > Thread model: posix > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > Build config: +assertions > zsh: abort (core dumped) cc --version > > (gdb) bt > #0 kill () at kill.S:4 > #1 0x0000062f57af2540 in __fail (msg=3D0x62f579f5aa5 "stack overflow > detected; terminated") > at /usr/src/lib/libc/secure/libc_stack_protector.c:119 > #2 0x0000062f57af24b0 in __stack_chk_fail () at > /usr/src/lib/libc/secure/libc_stack_protector.c:126 > #3 0x0000062f49fcebb6 in BuildCompilation () at > /data/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/include/c++/v1/string:2330 > #4 0x000006272564d3e4 in clang_main () at > /usr/src/contrib/llvm-project/clang/tools/driver/driver.cpp:361 > #5 0x000006272564bc22 in main () at > /usr/src/usr.bin/clang/clang/clang-driver.cpp:17 > From nobody Mon Jul 28 08:01:13 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4br9sn74DBz62lvJ for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4br9sl73zhz3Fxf for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=Df2kXnum; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at; dmarc=none Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 10:01:13 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1753689684; bh=4eKsYI0rtqXSW4eKpCPzAgEWczhDkj3bfCNrtm44/z4=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Df2kXnumsOFQUwvOs0SMo1V6PNJLhUeoRh2YptXd2vEiTj4C5Tm0Hw3+wiLlpKBk6 ucMDSR4Gta3I3z7c9nryqD4wHKuoJvHH5ykujc4cA7meHGezINg2eUmMj/HKHqgTHy kQm/NmOLxdakwg3tZZsy/xogmItg6OpQtyOUg50E+up7z7bVhyYP59jOGY98wPr25K k/q+7ycWbb6mpdiYsPRXHVZBMgTvNhefqhmaP12JANkzhq6q69186d230tJ2pjG8iB EFUObFegfMd+8g3t5XGGQGQDdhaZQ9Hndnd9OCU/GvADMBaNwJkkwJ/VO5CivMWIje Dmv6xa33pBL9A== Message-ID: <87y0s8rbg6.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LLVM broken on main (arm64)? In-Reply-To: <8bfd193f-4279-4ad3-a25b-fffda11cc5b4@mm.st> References: <8bfd193f-4279-4ad3-a25b-fffda11cc5b4@mm.st> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/31.0 Mule/6.0 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.93 / 15.00]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.960]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.48)[-0.478]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4br9sl73zhz3Fxf X-Spamd-Bar: / On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 04:34:49 +0200, cyric@mm.st wrote: > > Lexi Winter wrote: > > Dimitry Andric: > >> On 27 Jul 2025, at 12:44, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > >>> > >>> after updating from main-n279078-1f2c178e5688 to > >>> main-n279105-9b3055d0d4bc (arm64) I have the following issue: > >>> > >>> $ cc > >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > >>> Stack dump: > >>> 0. Program arguments: cc > >>> 1. Compilation construction > >>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > >>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041485ec llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 72 > >>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041464ec llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 128 > >>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc04148d48 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 412 > >>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00000edc06bafc38 _pthread_sigmask + 1320 > >>> Segmentation fault > >> > >> That's a very short trace, with no useful information. Maybe installworld was half-finished? > > > > i am seeing something similar on amd64 after updating past 9b3055d0d4bc: > > > > 1& 1? 172!freebsd15 ~/src/bsd/dev [lf/dev/pkgbase-toolchain]% cc > > > > PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > > Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > > 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f2c9 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 57 > > 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8d185 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 85 > > 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f9d7 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 375 > > 3 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc88ec _pthread_sigmask + 1340 > > 4 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc7ebb pthread_signals_unblock_np + 1467 > > 5 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca34449d2d3 pthread_signals_unblock_np + 18446744073462962643 > > 6 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34d5b28be llvm::cl::opt>::~opt() + 62 > > 7 libc.so.7 0x00001ca35434131f __cxa_finalize + 351 > > [2] 5802 bus error (core dumped) cc > > > > i'm using pkgbase so unlikely to be a partial install. could it be that > > this change requires a clean build? > > And it looks like this for me, amd64, WITHOUT_CLEAN build (default): > > $ cc --version > FreeBSD clang version 19.1.7 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git > llvmorg-19.1.7-0-gcd708029e0b2) > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd15.0 > Thread model: posix > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > Build config: +assertions > zsh: abort (core dumped) cc --version I've updated another amd64 system from 92dfc3fbcd79 to f2de5a6dd7bb (without ccache or META_MODE). Clang doesn't crash but still shows "Build config: +assertions". So I guess something is not rebuilt properly. On a clean build: $ clang --version FreeBSD clang version 19.1.7 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git llvmorg-19.1.7-0-gcd708029e0b2) Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd15.0 Thread model: posix InstalledDir: /usr/bin -- Herbert From nobody Mon Jul 28 08:09:55 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brB3k31f7z62m92 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4brB3j4xp5z3HNR for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from tom.home (kib@localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by kib.kiev.ua (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTP id 56S89uM8008434; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:09:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 kib.kiev.ua 56S89uM8008434 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 56S89tpv008433; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:09:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:09:55 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Kevin Bowling Cc: cyric@mm.st, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LLVM broken on main (arm64)? Message-ID: References: <8bfd193f-4279-4ad3-a25b-fffda11cc5b4@mm.st> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FROM, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-26) on tom.home X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4brB3j4xp5z3HNR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 12:38:03AM -0700, Kevin Bowling wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 7:36 PM wrote: > > > > Lexi Winter wrote: > > > Dimitry Andric: > > >> On 27 Jul 2025, at 12:44, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > > >>> > > >>> after updating from main-n279078-1f2c178e5688 to > > >>> main-n279105-9b3055d0d4bc (arm64) I have the following issue: > > >>> > > >>> $ cc > > >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > > >>> Stack dump: > > >>> 0. Program arguments: cc > > >>> 1. Compilation construction > > >>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > > >>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041485ec llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 72 > > >>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041464ec llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 128 > > >>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc04148d48 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 412 > > >>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00000edc06bafc38 _pthread_sigmask + 1320 > > >>> Segmentation fault > > >> > > >> That's a very short trace, with no useful information. Maybe installworld was half-finished? > > > > > > i am seeing something similar on amd64 after updating past 9b3055d0d4bc: > > > > > > 1& 1? 172!freebsd15 ~/src/bsd/dev [lf/dev/pkgbase-toolchain]% cc > > > > > > PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. > > > Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): > > > 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f2c9 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 57 > > > 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8d185 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 85 > > > 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f9d7 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 375 > > > 3 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc88ec _pthread_sigmask + 1340 > > > 4 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc7ebb pthread_signals_unblock_np + 1467 > > > 5 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca34449d2d3 pthread_signals_unblock_np + 18446744073462962643 > > > 6 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34d5b28be llvm::cl::opt>::~opt() + 62 > > > 7 libc.so.7 0x00001ca35434131f __cxa_finalize + 351 > > > [2] 5802 bus error (core dumped) cc > > > > > > i'm using pkgbase so unlikely to be a partial install. could it be that > > > this change requires a clean build? > > > > And it looks like this for me, amd64, WITHOUT_CLEAN build (default): > > Can you confirm if simply setting WITH_LLVM_ASSERTIONS fixes the > issue? No clean, no blowing away /usr/obj, etc. I just need a > confirmation from someone that a reversion would actually work or if > we are stuck in for something deeper. Can you make the obj directory different between assertion vs. optimized build? Then you do not need a special cleanup. > > > $ cc --version > > FreeBSD clang version 19.1.7 (https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project.git > > llvmorg-19.1.7-0-gcd708029e0b2) > > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd15.0 > > Thread model: posix > > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > > Build config: +assertions > > zsh: abort (core dumped) cc --version > > > > (gdb) bt > > #0 kill () at kill.S:4 > > #1 0x0000062f57af2540 in __fail (msg=0x62f579f5aa5 "stack overflow > > detected; terminated") > > at /usr/src/lib/libc/secure/libc_stack_protector.c:119 > > #2 0x0000062f57af24b0 in __stack_chk_fail () at > > /usr/src/lib/libc/secure/libc_stack_protector.c:126 > > #3 0x0000062f49fcebb6 in BuildCompilation () at > > /data/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/include/c++/v1/string:2330 > > #4 0x000006272564d3e4 in clang_main () at > > /usr/src/contrib/llvm-project/clang/tools/driver/driver.cpp:361 > > #5 0x000006272564bc22 in main () at > > /usr/src/usr.bin/clang/clang/clang-driver.cpp:17 > > > From nobody Mon Jul 28 13:32:47 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brKD020J1z635MM for ; 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Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:32:47 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: current@freebsd.org Cc: cy@freebsd.org Subject: ssh errors, libgssapi_krb5 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: current@freebsd.org, cy@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YisN3FRhoKLVVIz9" Content-Disposition: inline --YisN3FRhoKLVVIz9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline hello, on recent (last ~2 days) main with WITH_MITKRB5, ssh with GSSAPI seems broken: % git push lf dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" git@git.le-fay.org: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic). fatal: Could not read from remote repository. am i missing some config change or do i need to update something? --YisN3FRhoKLVVIz9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Have you rebuilt ports like curl, git, etc.? What's the output of 'pkg check'? From nobody Mon Jul 28 14:05:45 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brKy14bTDz637Qm for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4brKy13cGRz3CkN; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753711545; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=krP/M6WcosxBYZb7JxxSbrgL1i3HbG9BfEaFsLqJcjE=; b=nNafrkISLkVpeWD7Cc+ybEBx6Vkwhr7iFczSj6Dkxxw9hcO+PwxBGGhpWTDrqr8rYd2n88 yGGoVlGc4RSGOuSNecUVWobvo5A+ASLeDKo1taLqkiVs33sF3dsMFt+JTT+Je/NMvJA2Ej bkXyFcIi93BEOwLaP0b3f4G8YNRBFLdRu14e3yFM40OYn6ct7QeZf/cwuCwUSCeveAJQ/p /pXeFN7cQ9jAua04fK9pKbdc2HfoqZAMIARx/LwvKOzXp8ufe+OeKZ6hutQBdVA+9WHj9j jNIIcyhLqOqD6AMhyn+sUjsTVGjDypHK2bB9P+WvL/eUEY5o9xQzmhyLFJ5R8g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753711545; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=krP/M6WcosxBYZb7JxxSbrgL1i3HbG9BfEaFsLqJcjE=; b=WMtYT1R3cgN5jdvpc2rjhNWit8tnfwqIHGhOkI0e+WVb2XjtnB0CxF+/+rCherjV4R7+2L AlEK9mQOxosawvLFEdu75fbxNYnrRh0hCa6ZyuIhSMF1k1lz+40PV68+r2qfVCOmRH2G2j CYKkJaC/aWw1ukwtEKpRbW1KL5grQ0yNAe4Sqguv0C3MJh/yJUryrS9jIU2wS7Xw4LTq/L 0jV9AalI7n7rHPLdySf07f7/m7zxKddqj59IS2F2DUVk74JQUnzosWQBeIsEZF1Lfso3BJ pDLtKVqiXsUkVSdkLF5gXMgsWMe6s7Mvl1GNHd+ujRHLkBXoSeP58F78SlfyjA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1753711545; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TD5nJS9ox6CNno0jGjB5Vc9W12BzIiSguMhRFuuuPhjb8c+GM3UFNv6laGpJcbQ/JzCxQj tmRanfXKDMlJF0C2w5kpKDbJAmMDx5SOCf6xt83xrYNlr7+BjXcyB0AHBdzrDp/AD0v/99 Nvsh3ks48sHpWNBAOC5RD1gmWTHqbf/Smc3VPP/6zG1dV52qmZnRpTw7i76mkzspTMIZhF fNjOtwrQBBstQTx6Mz+RkDwjtDVHRfvANWEZ7ZBtSOI6Qi+ykcrtStReOvbEw3z2QZYH0Q A/vzlURJBlzXBU2VJtR9AnVQakOiAZkUDBqobUltlxac9UMBzqfPM4LBZybCCg== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1532) id 5F84017573; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:05:45 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Herbert Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh errors, libgssapi_krb5 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Herbert , current@freebsd.org References: <701d3288-4aec-47bd-b7e2-4ee49bab3f2e@betaapp.fastmail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uOVhwizhT7h4PTP0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <701d3288-4aec-47bd-b7e2-4ee49bab3f2e@betaapp.fastmail.com> --uOVhwizhT7h4PTP0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Herbert: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2025, at 15:32, Lexi Winter wrote: > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > git@git.le-fay.org: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic). >=20 > Have you rebuilt ports like curl, git, etc.? this isn't related to ports, it happens with /usr/bin/ssh as well. i probably should have mentioned that. but oddly, after rebuilding main with no changes and updating again, ssh now works fine. but i don't really understand what broke it to begin with... what causes ssh to load libgssapi_something? --uOVhwizhT7h4PTP0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaIeDtQAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YBO/AQC4zrXZ1u5crwzeR/FLfcglYYPbsMF14h+w3rDJWO4k5wEA5kW+c7mulTrE I/znj+qCRPnDHItMV/Rw5v+BiNjUtg0= =eVuD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uOVhwizhT7h4PTP0-- From nobody Mon Jul 28 14:46:20 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brLrt4YbKz6391W for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta004.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4brLrs70Qnz3JP9; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com designates 3.97.99.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com; dmarc=permerror reason="p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com" header.from=cschubert.com (policy=permerror) Received: from shw-obgw-4002a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.250]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id gKUnuyx7w5MqygP7NuEr2a; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:46:21 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id gP7MuCYjkl5eGgP7NuhEIZ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:46:21 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=EO6l0EZC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=68878d3d a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Wb1JkmetP80A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=Rk-M77FJAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=hChkFNv6i12Ynuzsh-MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=ef1k35tKgZpiIrJ2aQ5N:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A6A531; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0E87840D; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: current@freebsd.org, cy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh errors, libgssapi_krb5 In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Lexi Winter message dated "Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:32:47 +0100." 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That was fixed by c0fae431fd6a. Too many moving parts, I missed that one. GSSAPI is a clearinghouse. It's a lookup table that calls the various GSSAPI modules made available by providers, i.e. Kerberos or in the case of Linux the gssproxy daemon. This will make having two kerberos in our tree as rickm@ requested a little challenging, because MIT and Heimdal share the same OID (for obvious reasons). If we want to keep the Heimdal libraries in our tree, temporarily, while we work through the kernel NFS issue we may to alter our gssapi to use a second lookup table (in /etc/gss/mech) just for heimdal. 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Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20250728144620.0E87840D@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <20250728144620.0E87840D@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Rick Macklem Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:02:40 -0700 X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXwKONQttEqv2Cxq1EnxSCc-_pzvGju5I9tP7VTWKGMoK0Kl7uRoli_1iV4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ssh errors, libgssapi_krb5 To: Cy Schubert Cc: current@freebsd.org, cy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4brMD5680zz3P23 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM Cy Schubert wrote: > > In message , Lexi Winter writes: > > > > > > --YisN3FRhoKLVVIz9 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > hello, > > > > on recent (last ~2 days) main with WITH_MITKRB5, ssh with GSSAPI seems > > broken: > > > > % git push lf > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > dlopen: Cannot open "/usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.121" > > git@git.le-fay.org: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic). > > fatal: Could not read from remote repository. > > > > am i missing some config change or do i need to update something? > > That was fixed by c0fae431fd6a. Too many moving parts, I missed that one. > GSSAPI is a clearinghouse. It's a lookup table that calls the various > GSSAPI modules made available by providers, i.e. Kerberos or in the case = of > Linux the gssproxy daemon. > > This will make having two kerberos in our tree as rickm@ requested a litt= le > challenging, because MIT and Heimdal share the same OID (for obvious > reasons). If we want to keep the Heimdal libraries in our tree, > temporarily, while we work through the kernel NFS issue we may to alter o= ur > gssapi to use a second lookup table (in /etc/gss/mech) just for heimdal. = I > have some ideas how to implement this securely so that no other app could > use the alternate table. Forget about that request. MIT's gssapi has something called gss_inquire_sec_context_by_oid() which I think can return the session key, which is what the code in sys/kgssapi/krb5/krb5_mech.c does manually. My current plan is to add a new upcall RPC to the gssd, so the gssd can use this call to do the work. rick > > > -- > Cheers, > Cy Schubert > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org > NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org > > e**(i*pi)+1=3D0 > > > From nobody Mon Jul 28 15:52:08 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brNJm38qDz63Cf8 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4brNJm2XJYz3VX6; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753717928; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=krr7M+NxCnKLW0mDqSFJFRL+eDntBziQ+wFkyWWqOVQ=; b=O07kSqjhHGyOLcS+Q6EI4MNoEowVWQcKLcRaqVfCQd4flQxlrrjatcHbzIsISEPNG6Dr8g F/hWeyozDIKHhvbqQQNWFURYGFc6Pa4f5unELau8YedAuDls59JHPVA1eJ1uTgKPN53TPh GpEpyA0BHR5Wt+GtRSDwqYz9jJf8rPsXLtQ2BlhVhM10tYqFFbRTQ4sa7Iu1AlcssKNhy0 z81tZ0k2EmDOCv/jqdCLTcjNl8fLNLowR+yGSFZRib6kfkQ2KKvQR8q+zTV0VmsFunN5TG Q0B0WAuGoVByr3lKPMygWb7wmEWj3LN1UvTrtKQf5rt0xM6nEbANU4VRds1qDg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753717928; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=krr7M+NxCnKLW0mDqSFJFRL+eDntBziQ+wFkyWWqOVQ=; b=xkRBUu0RBL0x09UbsIeC7P6cnieoy3vFMP4lXSBPHhRS5VN1/HXruTu4wkSe5gZpo5yYBT 1oFsbZAo3teRZ9iDql76qZxfF9VAduvTaJ2OzKjzFOe/+YBfbB5doD5XviXU+miSVK3n64 AoIIFF6CCaM9CoKWaAurtQrcPDNJ1TjH3zD448td9jSuAVk8toohwcP1l4raIXSIIui2ux 9aZR2HF/64+WusINWympkPE26NWEdjjMKjjDA0rBQxZelxjoCOmzvx75NIqWB7KDZIus/p WqY1AbKQxMmQFeFe5C5VAuUztdoe85Fzrs2wxvnv3GuFHlA1tii4tITJ/kYnfw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1753717928; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Qg8v3To9t7DHbU1XUr+GXgBGD4admN+yXzN5yVG59BPmiBVDDQOkYxRdIMvALUuTCJXI03 92FtQW94B2GnVRXxlrQVrrnkPx2vLC+H+s59Pz4h+temXpDldwBHjjLmXxXrzw02oIJmlF +QuNgn/riGclEZuSFevbIT2zXcKPWx8jUcyxRgAKyEbnBZBmchsDiRD8hc9qjXZ/vdt6JU XaLvAgcEzG7RZjhCfP5bwNpvLHbIuEyAXjAzIf/D09fnp2zQi6QywrC4tjYS+itjErYLZu ZX36y5GVcJQFk2URNQv452afOVPHukU5OukmOb1A9EIiupVVmG/xAXEyUK/14w== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1532) id 45CB4180A3; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 16:52:08 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Adrian Chadd , qroxana , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: epair(4) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , Adrian Chadd , qroxana , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" References: <45d0f49d-229b-46b4-af95-6e8c4c856661@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> <932111f8-f5ca-46d1-9f66-983f80f6116b@protected-networks.net> <8DCF0DAB-5EE5-4FEF-8CCC-1D7AF971BA8C@hausen.com> <86ms8zbz6w.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ap8BfU+0nQ/QKHKO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86ms8zbz6w.fsf@ltc.des.dev> --Ap8BfU+0nQ/QKHKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav: > Adrian Chadd writes: > > qroxana writes: > > > What's the best practice for setting up bridge0 on a NFS root > > > system? [...] > > That's an interesting problem that I don't think was even thought > > about when bridge(4) was added to FreeBSD. [...] I /think/ the tftp > > boot path configures the interface addressing via kernel APIs, and > > we'll need to undo it and flip it to a bridge. =20 > This is not the only scenario where you might want to add a bridge to a > configured system. I think it would be useful to have a setting that > causes all of an interface's addresses and routes to be moved to the > bridge when the interface is added to it. i'm not opposed to this and i think the idea is reasonable, but i will not have time to look at this prior to 15.0 and to be honest, it will be fairly low on my list of tasks after that. so i encourage anyone who needs this functionality to write the code :-) --Ap8BfU+0nQ/QKHKO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaIecpAAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YOcmAP9rO5G5hXQ7ONuMTG3meiz7MM/cNE49cVQgJV/3mlii4AD/ZBFA6XhHCyB2 19IYdvIXpZQ8F7lcATupID30sdQ3NAM= =UWW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ap8BfU+0nQ/QKHKO-- From nobody Mon Jul 28 18:03:14 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4brRD73l54z63LCD for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta003.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4brRD61GGyz3mt6 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com designates 3.97.99.32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com; dmarc=permerror reason="p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com" header.from=cschubert.com (policy=permerror) Received: from shw-obgw-4001a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.142]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id gPUbuPKn29JM2gSBxuc166; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:03:17 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id gSBuu9P6GWX70gSBwu5vwn; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:03:17 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=d71WygjE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6887bb65 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Wb1JkmetP80A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=Rk-M77FJAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=ZzUTNz-7foEldOVQz6YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=ef1k35tKgZpiIrJ2aQ5N:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A796FA; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2BFB328C; Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Herbert , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh errors, libgssapi_krb5 In-reply-to: References: <701d3288-4aec-47bd-b7e2-4ee49bab3f2e@betaapp.fastmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to Lexi Winter message dated "Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:05:45 +0100." 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The DSO bump broke gssapi/mech. 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To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002b85d3063b181552" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.19 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.68)[0.685]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.407]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[adrian@freebsd.org,adrianchadd@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[adrian@freebsd.org,adrianchadd@gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.167.42:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.167.42:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bs7jv0XnMz45CV X-Spamd-Bar: +++ --0000000000002b85d3063b181552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 at 02:53, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > For instance: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=265639 > > Or should we just close such reviews & tickets ? > I'm still using it for qualcomm stuff on the IPQ4019. -adrian > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > > --0000000000002b85d3063b181552 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, 27 Jul = 2025 at 02:53, Poul-Henning Kamp <= phk@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:
For instance:

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Or should we just close such reviews & tickets ?
<= br>
I'm still using it for qualcomm stuff on the IPQ4019.



-adrian
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Something about the minimalism of these desktops draws me into them and makes me use them, even when there are modern options available. I also like them as they are low-overhead enough to run on my home server with a 90's Matrox graphics chipset, when I need to run a stupid piece of server software with graphics. I want to suggest adding these two desktops as an option alongside KDE in the 15.0 installer. --0000000000004ba67e063b1951b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I stand for a decent chunk of the community in that I lik= e twm, and a smaller chunk in that I like CDE. Something about the minimali= sm of these desktops draws me into them and makes me use them, even when th= ere are modern options available. I also like them as they are low-overhead= enough to run on my home server with a 90's Matrox graphics chipset, w= hen I need to run a stupid piece of server software with graphics. I want t= o suggest adding these two desktops as an option alongside KDE in the 15.0 = installer.
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Skuhra wrote: >>>>> >>>>> after updating from main-n279078-1f2c178e5688 to >>>>> main-n279105-9b3055d0d4bc (arm64) I have the following issue: >>>>> >>>>> $ cc >>>>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. >>>>> Stack dump: >>>>> 0. Program arguments: cc >>>>> 1. Compilation construction >>>>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): >>>>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041485ec llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 72 >>>>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc041464ec llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 128 >>>>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00000edc04148d48 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 412 >>>>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00000edc06bafc38 _pthread_sigmask + 1320 >>>>> Segmentation fault >>>> >>>> That's a very short trace, with no useful information. Maybe installworld was half-finished? >>> >>> i am seeing something similar on amd64 after updating past 9b3055d0d4bc: >>> >>> 1& 1? 172!freebsd15 ~/src/bsd/dev [lf/dev/pkgbase-toolchain]% cc >>> >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run script. >>> Stack dump without symbol names (ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it): >>> 0 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f2c9 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&, int) + 57 >>> 1 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8d185 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() + 85 >>> 2 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34ed8f9d7 llvm::support::detail::provider_format_adapter::format(llvm::raw_ostream&, llvm::StringRef) + 375 >>> 3 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc88ec _pthread_sigmask + 1340 >>> 4 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca352fc7ebb pthread_signals_unblock_np + 1467 >>> 5 libthr.so.3 0x00001ca34449d2d3 pthread_signals_unblock_np + 18446744073462962643 >>> 6 libprivatellvm.so.19 0x00001ca34d5b28be llvm::cl::opt>::~opt() + 62 >>> 7 libc.so.7 0x00001ca35434131f __cxa_finalize + 351 >>> [2] 5802 bus error (core dumped) cc >>> >>> i'm using pkgbase so unlikely to be a partial install. could it be that >>> this change requires a clean build? >> >> And it looks like this for me, amd64, WITHOUT_CLEAN build (default): > > Can you confirm if simply setting WITH_LLVM_ASSERTIONS fixes the > issue? No clean, no blowing away /usr/obj, etc. I just need a > confirmation from someone that a reversion would actually work or if > we are stuck in for something deeper. The problem here is that any cc call dumps core and I can't rebuild anything. I already wiped the obj directory and now trying to restore the compiler using llvm19 from packages as suggested in other replies. 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Dietze" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternate DEs in 15.0 installer (twm, CDE) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.32 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.941]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:192.109.42.0/24]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[192.109.42.8:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.023]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29670, ipnet:192.109.42.0/24, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[orbit.in-berlin.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[192.109.42.8:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsBly5WkSz4NH2 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Quoting TheComputerCollector : > I stand for a decent chunk of the community in that I like twm, and a > smaller chunk in that I like CDE. Something about the minimalism of these > desktops draws me into them and makes me use them, even when there are > modern options available. I also like them as they are low-overhead enough > to run on my home server with a 90's Matrox graphics chipset, when I need > to run a stupid piece of server software with graphics. I want to suggest > adding these two desktops as an option alongside KDE in the 15.0 installer. hm, I haven't tried 15.0 by now, but with 14.2 Release, I just had to add a few packages to add X11, twm and so to the box, had to decomment a line in /etc/ttys, pimp the /usr/local/etc/X11/xdm/X[setup_0,Xresources] to have a company backgroundimage an a logo on the login managers screen. As for those that prefer cde, I followed https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/setting-up-common-desktop-environment-for-modern-use.69475/ and of course, the right graphics driver, that always is a battle on FreeBSD. 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GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > touching the FreeBSD Base System. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only > two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected > FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is > the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* > literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? > > Its crazy ... > > Regards, > vermaden > yup :-( -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --000000000000d517e5063b1aac38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On W= ed, Jul 30, 2025, 02:28 vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl> wrote:
Hi,

after short discussion here:
- https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485

I got REALLY concerned.

One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the '= ;untouchable' Base System.

Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved.

But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE!

Consider this command:

# pkg delete -af

What it does?

It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system wit= hout touching the FreeBSD Base System.

What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD = system?

It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two= PKGBASE packages called:

- FreeBSD-clibs
- FreeBSD-runtime

All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed.

You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected Free= BSD-rescue package and its also removed.

WTF?!

POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is t= he POLA now?

Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system w= ithout PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg dele= te -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System?

Its crazy ...

Regards,
vermaden

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GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system > without touching the FreeBSD Base System. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves > only two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not > protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. > Where is the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system > without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same > *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base > System? > > Its crazy ... > > Regards, > vermaden > > > yup :-( Too much drama here, quoting emaste: "Anyhow we do need to give more consideration to the base system / 3rd party packages, including for the upgrade path." 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Outside of an upgrade tool, I would think locking "base" packages was .. sensible? -G > > --000000000000f795e3063b1b4444 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Isn't this precisely what locked pack= ages are designed to prevent?=C2=A0

Outside of an upgrad= e tool, I would think locking "base" packages was .. sensible?

-G

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micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z6ngwkyglkjghwbx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsG9P0qmCz3VGS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] --z6ngwkyglkjghwbx Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature MIME-Version: 1.0 On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 02:28:35AM +0200, vermaden wrote: > Hi, >=20 > after short discussion here: > - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 >=20 > I got REALLY concerned. >=20 > One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'u= ntouchable' Base System. >=20 > Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. >=20 > But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! >=20 > Consider this command: >=20 > # pkg delete -af >=20 > What it does? >=20 > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without t= ouching the FreeBSD Base System. >=20 > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? >=20 > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only t= wo PKGBASE packages called: >=20 > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime >=20 > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. Hey vermaden, As mentioned in the GitHub ticket, it appears there might be some room for discussion on which base packages ought to be marked vital and if the current list (of two) should be expanded. I suspect there could also be room for discussion on technical measures pkg could adopt to help mitigate issues like this. I myself don't have much in the way of suggestions on either topic of discussion. I'm simply hoping this email moves the needle forward in a positive direction. 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Something about the minimalism of these > desktops draws me into them and makes me use them, even when there are > modern options available. I also like them as they are low-overhead enough > to run on my home server with a 90's Matrox graphics chipset, when I need > to run a stupid piece of server software with graphics. I want to suggest > adding these two desktops as an option alongside KDE in the 15.0 installer. I can't remember about CDE. But as I recall. They both get installed as a part of Xorg. IOW if you install the full xorg server meta package. 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Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@freebsd.org) Received: by b.nours.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B09C290F57; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 09:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 09:30:26 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: vermaden Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Message-ID: <2rpjsqnjda4s5ks6nye3cywec5numok6qrhpnniteawusr7wkg@du4fwkss2iyw> References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Wed 30 Jul 02:28, vermaden wrote: > Hi, > > after short discussion here: > - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 > > I got REALLY concerned. > > One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'untouchable' Base System. untouchable is really subjective and has always been, there are so many build options and one of the selling point for many is the customizability, in particular for the wildly deploy use case of appliances. But even on desktops people keeps tweaking the build options... > > Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. > > But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. No it remove all the packages. semantic matters. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime This is why the vital flag are designed for. > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? > > Its crazy ... Before jumping straight into making a drama, maybe ask for the plan? or discuss with people involved, or even better propose some help? The plan is the following for years: either create meta packages which will be flagged as vital for various combinaison of pkgbase: base, base-minimal, base-oci etc., etc. and use groups (marked as vital as well) if they are ready by then. This part has been delayed because: groups are now ready yet in pkg but might be there by the time 15.0-RELEASE is there. 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No problem here as it is MIT-licensed. https://github.com/wulf7/moused Recommended installation method is through the port enclosed in port directory Although distribution bundle includes own rc file, I would prefer to test it as direct replacement of system daemon. So do not enable bundled rc file but change path to mouse daemon in system /etc/rc.d/moused from /usr/sbin/moused to /usr/local/sbin/moused (in two places) and than test it in 2 modes: 1. Sysmouse support mode. All should work as before. No new devices supported and no configuration changes required. Just kill and start again all instances of moused. In this mode recent (as of July 2025) CURRENT is required for psm(4) driver to work. This mode is planned for transition period to follow POLA. 2. Evdev support mode. It enables all previously mentioned devices. To enable it add following lines to /etc/rc.conf: moused_port="auto" moused_nondefault_enable="NO" Caveats: Some drivers are known to be incompatible with the Subj. 1. cyapa(4) - lack of sysmouse protocol support. I prepared a patch for it and can send it to any who able to perform a test on real hardware. 2. ams(4) - no evdev and kqueue support. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 22/07/25 16:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" today, and that > broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebraska but > rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a result. > > If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine. > I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issue here. After delete-old-libs libcurl is broken /usr/local/lib/libcurl.so.4: libnghttp2.so.14 => /usr/local/lib/libnghttp2.so.14 (0x23d8b926d000) libidn2.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libidn2.so.0 (0x23d8b9691000) libssh2.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so.1 (0x23d8b9a66000) libpsl.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libpsl.so.5 (0x23d8b89b7000) libssl.so.30 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x23d8ba077000) libheimntlm.so.11 => not found (0) libhx509.so.11 => not found (0) libcom_err.so.5 => not found (0) libcrypto.so.30 => /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x23d8bb1aa000) libasn1.so.11 => not found (0) libwind.so.11 => not found (0) libheimbase.so.11 => not found (0) libroken.so.11 => not found (0) libcrypt.so.5 => /lib/libcrypt.so.5 (0x23d8bc022000) libzstd.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libzstd.so.1 (0x23d8bcea4000) libbrotlidec.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libbrotlidec.so.1 (0x23d8bdef5000) libz.so.6 => /lib/libz.so.6 (0x23d8bee5a000) libkrb5.so.11 => not found (0) libgssapi.so.10 => /usr/lib/libgssapi.so.10 (0x23d8bfdb2000) libgssapi_krb5.so.10 => not found (0) libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x23d8c0d8c000) libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x23d8b5ef1000) libunistring.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libunistring.so.5 (0x23d8c1614000) libcom_err.so.5 => not found (0) libkrb5.so.11 => not found (0) libroken.so.11 => not found (0) libmd.so.7 => /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x23d8b823c000) libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5 (0x23d8c24da000) libbrotlicommon.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libbrotlicommon.so.1 (0x23d8c3c70000) libsys.so.7 => /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x23d8b682e000) -- Renato Botelho From nobody Wed Jul 30 18:04:55 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsg9c442Pz62rxx for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-f169.google.com (mail-yw1-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsg9b4fDzz41FH; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yw1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-719f5a141a3so7794827b3.1; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:05:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1753898723; x=1754503523; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bTsRhbhBFlIQNNU5zo2xUGsCqyocdayzcYFJZlhOQeU=; b=jVHJJ29TbsPSZPRwUuATZzjjXQ0HjLkvUJKKAtQE5PtmyV6WTBXDhntGBCLKQ/7gL3 gNDZ0QqHBD+gjLP3V5bLclbN1AAR4zzI0msXNKv5MeRI/2PL8M7uMf8GhiiTQDpz6YTs VN9Ka1FMgsj1hU4xX7rmN1WwMSqpX7fs8lMPsBn4xE+syy+CIE2iuJxLMOEhnqe0HNYY DoxzzCdiJKvYffMIcSuic5772CrpP8bsjFfZ5Q8E5D1oqw4zmLzBC29lLKHx0p37bi3z Rp/ANmPDBhBJwEiaOeQzxC+SorHJHUDT3srxQgR6DuhA0gbm3/ehS4FIRVBhKoo1Wpp+ FoXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw643wGlCUnV5EWhle19RP9LDpZ40AIwoSDIJtU92ovfmeiLh2j w6bmVm9Ea9Xd+OwnC7oKLev3qm5R2dhFNRzEnkN7m7+3RgRy6S/uMztd+e0gCJg6 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvEiw3piPkiAmacsds0f1qXuzRIQqw3nJNIcF4nccMQJn2lNBpu6K8DvkP2MIL oF+dZR1KrxqxHmprrSV+Wek067XTAg0TGfhU3pg6Q6mrmzWyYGawoskFTzqQcFrF7Z3OpJ+CA0N YuQ8ydpbzk0tfOpKOHK9KeFyscY6boQUBA9Cwn5feFT/pW/83GEFglmCq4LWWI9bv3wdUNaTADv nOZ7J99lR875RxyCMOg2zmre91Rbd+s1gl+fXWPQQ3MGriwSckmbVoN5gEGFjIpHMEaZdbIdhtY 38818abFf4aos6zFwt6W3A4SGgv1piVQz4MaP4OjMPqC+T7ok7/QZ3+9JXRw6VoHT6izlZLJ2E6 ArKFUAM+A94UyXmqppC486rBXbsGLeAqUYNBpKhbDJt3+yTRGXPdoczeZkX51bBK5Wkn/1b360H kE1mY4hMc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFfyx3b/LzmLidSr0KImMDkEBWYyE7Gm9Sf/SLYyIqiKBxBeGdu+BlmsIweonMS372NEc/eyQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:6f8d:b0:71a:1a14:9516 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-71a475f2eb5mr61441187b3.18.1753898722662; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-f173.google.com (mail-yb1-f173.google.com. 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After > delete-old-libs libcurl is broken Rebuild curl or install misc/compat14x From nobody Wed Jul 30 18:06:25 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsgBy1wpBz62s1Q for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsgBx51drz4293; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A491DC4873; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.18.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 56UI6Pmv083067; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:06:25 GMT (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <202507301806.56UI6Pmv083067@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Renato Botelho cc: current@freebsd.org, Cy Schubert , Po-Chuan Hsieh Subject: Re: Be careful with "make delete-old-libs" In-reply-to: <9a0f2960-3915-4293-bed2-3160677a7f08@FreeBSD.org> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> <9a0f2960-3915-4293-bed2-3160677a7f08@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <83065.1753898785.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:06:25 +0000 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsgBx51drz4293 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU] -------- Renato Botelho writes: > On 22/07/25 16:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" today, and that > > broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebraska but > > rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a result. > > > > If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine. > > > > I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issue here. After > delete-old-libs libcurl is broken I just copied over the necessary libraries from another machine... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 30/07/25 15:04, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 8:59 PM Renato Botelho wrote: >> >> I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issue here. After >> delete-old-libs libcurl is broken > > Rebuild curl or install misc/compat14x compat14x-amd64 doesn't contain needed libraries. At least the one available on binary repository. 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After > > delete-old-libs libcurl is broken > > I just copied over the necessary libraries from another machine... UPDATING does mention that some packages will need to be rebuilt. Any packages that have USES=gssapi specifically. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Wed Jul 30 18:22:11 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsgY76N9wz62sMK for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imb@protected-networks.net) Received: from mail.protected-networks.net (mail.protected-networks.net [IPv6:2001:470:8d59:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.protected-networks.net", Issuer "R10" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsgY6466nz46gt for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imb@protected-networks.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=protected-networks.net header.s=201508 header.b=hZlfm5D7; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of imb@protected-networks.net designates 2001:470:8d59:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=imb@protected-networks.net; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=protected-networks.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= protected-networks.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:from:from:content-language:references :subject:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:date:message-id; s=201508; t=1753899731; bh=d10thiE+iRL8MdCM2gWLdkTkgHAyC9pUWttD wGz1CQQ=; b=hZlfm5D7sJWc4WtSZbUMhSYmQOBuNCQPGWci9ZVoa7y1ZKF617JF lHlxt7qOfkNfJQwLxO/BE2mootLRxrbtQKmTfvlkM50E4UcxoMiYKimw9+sK92xx rrSl/5AelLosgeXtgUBwInkROqx/uL1qsy0jLbd4DEkevWsvvsPY1qU= Received: from [192.168.1.9] (d5540.auburn.protected-networks.net [192.168.1.9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: imb@mail.protected-networks.net) by mail.protected-networks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C616AF133 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11adad2e-35b1-4a95-ad10-94e2fea92957@protected-networks.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:22:11 -0400 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Be careful with "make delete-old-libs" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Language: en-NZ From: Michael Butler In-Reply-To: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protected-networks.net,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protected-networks.net:s=201508]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protected-networks.net:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsgY6466nz46gt X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 7/22/25 15:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" today, and that > broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebraska but > rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a result. > > If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine. > It's more than just curl. I used .. portmaster `(pkg shlib -qR libgssapi.so.10 && pkg shlib -qR libgssapi_krb5.so.122) | sort | uniq` .. to catch them all. p5-GSSAPI and squid won't build with the default options in my environment, however :-( Michael From nobody Wed Jul 30 18:30:20 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsgkj1lJ8z62tQr; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo2.interia.pl (smtpo2.interia.pl [217.74.67.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsgkh3dbXz486W; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:30:20 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Shawn Webb Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs, shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.6 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1753900229; bh=djkOPwrNAVqNGFcCLZkRkLUIzvDo43fITXN3/GIUE8Q=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rfOJC389yFqT3fqgLJdP3z94yCzwQiPn5zqL1ujyioGDQBjeyq7YbJ8QUqxXxaMOV h9gY9QmHvtIIWXnxkV2iJn91qMxO8lPpGjUAeNmcR7hc3NRW2GKPF9GxECjAObeKPo /8dDbN94gE2c4FMDbqJunoZkcRYC/ZmSqNKdVod0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsgkh3dbXz486W X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] Hi. I have only two proposals that seem sensible. (1) Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. (2) My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. As for additional groups like base-minimal or base-standard - I do not have anything against such additional features or layers - its not related to the main topic IMHO - that with 'classic' FreeBSD the *pkg delete -af* removes only third party packages and with PKGBASE FreeBSD it removes almost all system rendering it unbootable/unusable. Hope that helps. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-07-30 4:18 Nadawca: "Shawn Webb" <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>; DW: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; > >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 02:28:35AM +0200, vermaden wrote: >> Hi, >> >> after short discussion here: >> - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 >> >> I got REALLY concerned. >> >> One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'untouchable' Base System. >> >> Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. >> >> But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! >> >> Consider this command: >> >> # pkg delete -af >> >> What it does? >> >> It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. >> >> What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? >> >> It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: >> >> - FreeBSD-clibs >> - FreeBSD-runtime >> >> All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > Hey vermaden, > > As mentioned in the GitHub ticket, it appears there might be some room > for discussion on which base packages ought to be marked vital and if > the current list (of two) should be expanded. > > I suspect there could also be room for discussion on technical > measures pkg could adopt to help mitigate issues like this. > > I myself don't have much in the way of suggestions on either topic of > discussion. 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([2a02:fe1:9280:5a00:74a3:dd1a:a699:f448]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-55b63375a82sm2263898e87.134.2025.07.30.11.59.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:59:48 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Be careful with "make delete-old-libs" Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> From: KT Ullavik In-Reply-To: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::133:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bshN206Nyz3Gkf X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 22/07/2025 21:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" today, and that > broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebraska but > rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a result. > > If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine. I`ve not been able to build from ports. # make MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes ... In file included from altsvc.c:32: In file included from ./urldata.h:199: /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:50:1: error: unknown type name 'GSS_DLLIMP' 50 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_user_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:50:26: error: expected ';' after top level declarator 50 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_user_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:51:1: error: unknown type name 'GSS_DLLIMP' 51 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_machine_uid_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:51:26: error: expected ';' after top level declarator 51 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_machine_uid_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:52:1: error: unknown type name 'GSS_DLLIMP' 52 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_string_uid_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:52:26: error: expected ';' after top level declarator 52 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_string_uid_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:54:1: error: unknown type name 'GSS_DLLIMP' 54 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_service_name; | ^ /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_generic.h:54:26: error: expected ';' after top level declarator 54 | GSS_DLLIMP extern gss_OID gss_nt_service_name; | ^ 8 errors generated. *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped making "all-am" in /usr/ports/ftp/curl/work/curl-8.15.0/lib From nobody Thu Jul 31 01:57:47 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bssft3zD6z63JFP; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=MUrk=2M=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bssft0J4Wz42YM; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=MUrk=2M=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD0ED788C; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1753927069; bh=mo+1jCPOOufSZDShDRfcOArmT4gCGXwdDnBiO9FIrOg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=oZgXAoq9Zg6SoBHwttz/gmZYEoiklFES4iNzru7PVSJqtDQKxT6atHTzpT8qOw7Ds dOvYuwrYQm2tWbyWETrTqP7dSHifUHcmG0IozPV2dtVNbrJYYnaRNjVVaePLUiqbrQ ZUJRTPFhk/oCJviuhv7IuWKQ9FaFeawEQeSLBrUs= Received: from [192.168.145.49] (ip-89-177-27-225.bb.vodafone.cz [89.177.27.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14AABD7888; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1753927068; bh=mo+1jCPOOufSZDShDRfcOArmT4gCGXwdDnBiO9FIrOg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=pJMyCgDb1UPaQwNNIbGpTAR52zgdRcOG+K3zop2dbhzc3iEgjro5tbDA66adupJTL fUBEs1kBWdsnXGQ6ybKaFLzw8jt2IF5WHG2620/BCnUltbDGQu9CHUpzxG1jZS6ZTx UHg5Q3F9fUhIbDoJFUx4zkFS82Msau5sfKcb4TOA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:57:47 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: vermaden , Shawn Webb Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs References: Content-Language: en-US From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bssft0J4Wz42YM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ] On 30/07/2025 20:30, vermaden wrote: > Hi. > > I have only two proposals that seem sensible. > > (1) > > Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. > > Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. > > (2) > > My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. > > I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is really unexpected and unwanted. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman > As for additional groups like base-minimal or base-standard - I do not have anything against such additional features or layers - its not related to the main topic IMHO - that with 'classic' FreeBSD the *pkg delete -af* removes only third party packages and with PKGBASE FreeBSD it removes almost all system rendering it unbootable/unusable. > > Hope that helps. > > Regards, > vermaden From nobody Thu Jul 31 04:15:43 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bswjv63mHz63QGq for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 04:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta004.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bswjv0t9nz3H8s; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 04:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4004a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.227]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id hK7au1QL15MqyhKhluKH1h; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 04:15:45 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id hKhkuVhfaJhBPhKhluyM7G; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 04:15:45 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=QY3Fvdbv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=688aedf1 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Wb1JkmetP80A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=Bl6AY1K_gXIOGssNqDkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD470352; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7137299; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Gleb Popov cc: Renato Botelho , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Be careful with "make delete-old-libs" In-reply-to: References: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> <9a0f2960-3915-4293-bed2-3160677a7f08@FreeBSD.org> Comments: In-reply-to Gleb Popov message dated "Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:04:55 +0300." List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:15:43 -0700 Message-Id: <20250731041543.B7137299@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfP6TQL5rPCFIK7v1cVm2JGvrmi501El13cnyUw1u1E1dACJcPdfc+ih+T8ngas69cVVZg+czUokE4hFmJPKVDHAMuwzJ7R4DIZTRN5cPsdhJgS39mCmA fKGlaiRsFJIkZxLy9scJ/XC4cADSplthBpskz994K3ZxoJLX/mE2BbLCf0cWQao+ZR6NBD5GSPyJq1yOowcdWkZ0WwKTOW63Eo1UT8kXOv8z+gYPKJ0tzZ1N zwuf/TKXftIb13EUpI7jgw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bswjv0t9nz3H8s X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] In message , Gleb Popov writes: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM Renato Botelho = > wrote: > > > > I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issue here. After > > delete-old-libs libcurl is broken > > Rebuild curl or install misc/compat14x > This was noted in UPDATING. All ports with USES=gssapi are affected. USES=gssapi:mit and USES=gssapi:heimdal are not. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Thu Jul 31 05:05:33 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsxqW1gm4z63S7c; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from oden.vnode.se (oden.vnode.se [IPv6:2001:19f0:6c01:6b7:5400:1ff:fe33:16b1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "oden.vnode.se", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsxqV6Cvbz3P85; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ymer.vnode.se (81-232-101-195-no600.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.101.195]) by oden.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97E5C167D6F; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 07:05:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=vnode.se; s=mail; t=1753938334; bh=UbU+VEXscOYcAHlC25YE9E1FmiTNWrshfdyFQNiPVyM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=CZ0KB/wH/6i9Clx34FlXxCsmxjMPG8Jhmkv+rH1sz0ec2GcUP0fTpbh67qL5dnX2L I2LKRhUqP+r6NJZm9EfDu/VPPIAVxcelc8C8mbjA1n+ZCFrGf1okK8NTC/jWDzjfVg HWWZ6kwGVRhTN1T12s/panTN/1Kj9TUdDCS5Q2J8= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 07:05:33 +0200 From: Joel Dahl To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsxqV6Cvbz3P85 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:6c00::/38, country:US] On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 03:57:47AM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > On 30/07/2025 20:30, vermaden wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I have only two proposals that seem sensible. > > > > (1) > > > > Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. > > > > Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. > > > > (2) > > > > My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. > > > > I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. > > I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd > party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our > workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is > really unexpected and unwanted. A big +1 here. 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That results in USB mices stop to > work in virtual terminals as ums(4) replacement called hms(4) is not compatible > with current moused(8) due to lack of legacy protocols support. > > To fix that I reworked our old good moused(8): https://github.com/wulf7/moused I've given it a basic smoke test on my laptop and things work fine, thanks for this. It's nice to have a working trackpad on the console now. > - Other aged protocols like COM, raw PS/2 and X10 are dropped with only > exception of sysmouse. For those who still use them there is an utility called > msconvd. I'm interested to hear if anyone's still using mice with these interfaces. From nobody Thu Jul 31 23:16:59 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btQ2v5m13z639y4 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4btQ2v1T2Dz49Yc; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-43-114.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.43.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 56VNGxUP029626; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 08:17:01 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1754003821; bh=403OL0Ayp9zZt2SP8R8iPAwpJNJopYOdRSYK/GJZoRk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=VLhNjXHMIBf2V8sPAlyAWWb0u005aTJsZ2fiiGVp/QdnqvozdpovvHBzYW04FNvJm P4YLQLY3cakTDe2kDglIa7wsSC19Bta72AwWbF/A0e2T7h7IqtSar6kKEJkyOYZR5p axwQu1wSpO/dIxrExoTI/QNrZCs3fKkDzjNJnydM= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2025 08:16:59 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Ed Maste Cc: Vladimir Kondratyev , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFT: evdev-awared moused Message-Id: <20250801081659.196ba03b2609b0c66bceb0b9@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4btQ2v1T2Dz49Yc X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:57:43 -0400 Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 at 04:34, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > With some non-zero probability FreeBSD15 will have usbhid(4) enabled by default. > > See e.g. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D45659. That results in USB mices stop to > > work in virtual terminals as ums(4) replacement called hms(4) is not compatible > > with current moused(8) due to lack of legacy protocols support. > > > > To fix that I reworked our old good moused(8): https://github.com/wulf7/moused > > I've given it a basic smoke test on my laptop and things work fine, > thanks for this. It's nice to have a working trackpad on the console > now. > > > - Other aged protocols like COM, raw PS/2 and X10 are dropped with only > > exception of sysmouse. For those who still use them there is an utility called > > msconvd. > > I'm interested to hear if anyone's still using mice with these interfaces. At least TrackPoints on some of ThinkPads are recognized via PS/2 internally. (For my P52, via Elantech Touchpad interface) In dmesg: atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] WARNING: Device "psm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD 15.0. psm0: model Elantech Touchpad, device ID 0 In /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [ 187.172] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Touchpad' [ 187.172] (**) Touchpad: always reports core events [ 187.172] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event6" [ 187.179] (II) event6 - ETPS/2 Elantech TrackPoint: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 187.185] (II) event6 - ETPS/2 Elantech TrackPoint: device is a pointer [ 187.189] (II) event6 - ETPS/2 Elantech TrackPoint: device removed [ 187.189] (II) libinput: Touchpad: Step value 0 was provided, libinput Fallback acceleration function is used. [ 187.189] (II) libinput: Touchpad: Step value 0 was provided, libinput Fallback acceleration function is used. [ 187.189] (II) libinput: Touchpad: Step value 0 was provided, libinput Fallback acceleration function is used. [ 187.189] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Touchpad" (type: MOUSE, id 6) [ 187.189] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" [ 187.189] (**) Touchpad: (accel) selected scheme none/0 [ 187.189] (**) Touchpad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 187.189] (**) Touchpad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 187.194] (II) event6 - ETPS/2 Elantech TrackPoint: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 187.201] (II) event6 - ETPS/2 Elantech TrackPoint: device is a pointer -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Thu Jul 31 23:30:01 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btQKp6WF7z63BhJ for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4btQKp36Ssz3Cr4; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:30:01 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: CFT: evdev-awared moused To: Ed Maste , Vladimir Kondratyev Cc: "current@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754004603; bh=EuaEIgDGn9AVNmRtB+uKAyJ/rzvvS3Q7X6EMpw/B+i8=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s4I2o+SetKhQ2eaYLaW8rYtkzpZgvSIb5JpvJQ0IdTh04POdLDfRqwB/e+R+IzJXH xafdjuMdHULQ7PhjXY7gbZttG+bu5lItQ1ZiYrEwEx8n3Za3pIuCFxTdwxUylJhLoB gT/4APU0ksB98IbNKgLLGuIFoCYz5MrVaUUgvBgM= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4btQKp36Ssz3Cr4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] Hi. On my ThinkPad T480: psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > Other aged protocols like COM, raw PS/2 and X10 are dropped with only You will kill several generations of ThinkPads with that decision? Or 'RAW' means that ThinkPads PS/2 interfaces will still work? > For those who still use them there is an utility called msconvd. Where is 'msconvd' and how to use it? Regards, vermaden From nobody Thu Jul 31 23:47:24 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btQl54GHpz63CYb for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vladimir@kondratyev.su) Received: from corp.infotel.ru (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btQl51WXSz3FjT; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vladimir@kondratyev.su) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from corp (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) by corp.infotel.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6876654E69E; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:26 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at corp.infotel.ru Received: from corp.infotel.ru ([195.170.219.3]) by corp (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jBTVvGyuPvK; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:25 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru (unknown [195.170.219.74]) by corp.infotel.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A846D54E5E2; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:25 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E7642211F; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:22 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (mail.cicgroup.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id VBlKEj7p0JGs; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:16 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0C77C42211C; Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:48:15 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <9a192238-a56e-4944-ba1a-c330da2ef32c@kondratyev.su> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2025 02:47:24 +0300 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: CFT: evdev-awared moused To: vermaden , Ed Maste , Vladimir Kondratyev Cc: "current@freebsd.org" References: Content-Language: en-US From: Vladimir Kondratyev In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4btQl51WXSz3FjT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8299, ipnet:195.170.192.0/19, country:RU] On 8/1/25 02:30, vermaden wrote: > Hi. > > On my ThinkPad T480: > > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > >> Other aged protocols like COM, raw PS/2 and X10 are dropped with only > > You will kill several generations of ThinkPads with that decision? > > Or 'RAW' means that ThinkPads PS/2 interfaces will still work? I kill nothing. psm(4) driver uses sysmouse protocol to communicate with user world by default. One must manually switch driver to `operation level two` to get raw PS/2 stream. >> For those who still use them there is an utility called msconvd. > > Where is 'msconvd' and how to use it? 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[107.128.20.168]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 3f1490d57ef6-e8fd38641f4sm986753276.24.2025.07.31.16.53.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Jul 2025 16:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Freislich To: Renato Botelho , "Poul-Henning Kamp" , CC: Cy Schubert , "Po-Chuan Hsieh" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 19:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <19862e785c8.28c3.64e08aff09ba5a21b2fc9010d26a90e5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9a0f2960-3915-4293-bed2-3160677a7f08@FreeBSD.org> References: <202507221914.56MJEFuM003954@critter.freebsd.dk> <9a0f2960-3915-4293-bed2-3160677a7f08@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.55.2 (build: 105502562) Subject: Re: Be careful with "make delete-old-libs" List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="19862e788cb5c3d28c341dde5b" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4btQrd1vlnz3HXK X-Spamd-Bar: --- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --19862e788cb5c3d28c341dde5b Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On July 30, 2025 14:00:45 Renato Botelho wrote: > On 22/07/25 16:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" today, and that >> broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebraska but >> rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a result. >> >> If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine. > > I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issue here. After > delete-old-libs libcurl is broken pkg shlib -qR libkrb5.so.11 Should reveal all the affected ports. I had curl and neon needing a rebuild. Ian --19862e788cb5c3d28c341dde5b Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On July 30, 2025 14:00:4= 5 Renato Botelho <garga@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

On 22/07/25 16:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
I updated to -current and ran "make delete-old-libs" toda= y, and that
broke libcurl and as we all know, he doesn't live in Nebr= aska but
rather Sweden, so a lot of things stopped working as a re= sult.

If you build curl from ports you'll probably be fine.


I didn't see your message and ended up with the same issu= e here.  After 
delete-old-libs libcurl is broken

 pkg = shlib -qR libkrb5.so.11

= Should reveal all the affected ports. I had curl and neon needing a rebuild= .

Ian

--19862e788cb5c3d28c341dde5b-- From nobody Thu Jul 31 23:57:13 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btQxB3trwz63D0h for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo49.interia.pl (smtpo49.interia.pl [217.74.67.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4btQxB2Vcyz3JTM; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:57:13 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: CFT: evdev-awared moused To: Vladimir Kondratyev , Ed Maste , Vladimir Kondratyev Cc: "current@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <9a192238-a56e-4944-ba1a-c330da2ef32c@kondratyev.su> References: <9a192238-a56e-4944-ba1a-c330da2ef32c@kondratyev.su> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754006236; bh=2Z03EJWXOO+TbN2NP01BJKLrbQgRLcZLxV/sgBH6nuc=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TOB1o/dDtV0ygFtydO0VNdPH+NHL3v5jSDu2XY9MlCO1CwtTmwxIF4fz30K4nnG2A +nkBM50LCxro6pDGPVyPYOgYIc7VMx1AtHAR0t5IwMbsR4oaw2p81uGYgBNh7S4mjR iCEUc7t2r7DhezzDXClqPqOXnAzbC3pWJaVKctCo= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4btQxB2Vcyz3JTM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] > One must manually switch driver to 'operation level two' to get raw PS/2 stream. Why this switch is not made the 'default' way then? Another question - how to do it? > It is in installation bundle and have a man page. What is 'installation bundle'? I hear that term for the first time. Thanks, vermadne Temat: Re: CFT: evdev-awared moused Data: 2025-08-01 1:49 Nadawca: "Vladimir Kondratyev" <vladimir@kondratyev.su> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>; "Ed Maste" <emaste@freebsd.org>; "Vladimir Kondratyev" <wulf@freebsd.org>; DW: "current@freebsd.org" <current@freebsd.org>; > >> On 8/1/25 02:30, vermaden wrote: >> Hi. >> >> On my ThinkPad T480: >> >> psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 >> psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> >>> Other aged protocols like COM, raw PS/2 and X10 are dropped with only >> >> You will kill several generations of ThinkPads with that decision? >> >> Or 'RAW' means that ThinkPads PS/2 interfaces will still work? > > > I kill nothing. psm(4) driver uses sysmouse protocol to communicate with user > world by default. 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On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 8:38=E2=80=AFPM Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > On 8/1/25 02:57, vermaden wrote: > >> One must manually switch driver to 'operation level two' to get raw > PS/2 stream. > > > > Why this switch is not made the 'default' way then? > > Because no one wants parse raw PS/2 data > > > > > Another question - how to do it? > > MOUSE_SETLEVEL ioctl does it > > > > >> It is in installation bundle and have a man page. > > > > What is 'installation bundle'? > > > > I hear that term for the first time. > > Nevermind. You may replace it with 'Github repo' > > > > > Thanks, > > vermadne > > > > > -- > WBR > Vladimir Kondratyev > > --0000000000009719b1063b441c27 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The evdev-aware moused will be in the FreeBSD base system = soon?

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 8:38=E2=80=AFPM Vladimir= Kondratyev <wulf@freebsd.org>= ; wrote:
On 8/1/= 25 02:57, vermaden wrote:
>> One must manually switch driver to 'operation level two' t= o get raw PS/2 stream.
>
> Why this switch is not made the 'default' way then?

Because no one wants parse raw PS/2 data

>
> Another question - how to do it?

MOUSE_SETLEVEL ioctl does it

>
>> It is in installation bundle and have a man page.
>
> What is 'installation bundle'?
>
> I hear that term for the first time.

Nevermind. You may replace it with 'Github repo'

>
> Thanks,
> vermadne
>


--
WBR
Vladimir Kondratyev

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