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Date:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:11:14 -0800
From:      Kent Stewart <kstewart@urx.com>
To:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Mailing list issues.
Message-ID:  <3AADABF2.B75F70C4@urx.com>
References:  <15021.41997.442113.566230@guru.mired.org>

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Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> Kent Stewart <kstewart@urx.com> types:
> > Doug Young wrote:
> > > Same here ..... had forgotten about those messages because I haven't seen
> > > one for a week or so
> > If you look at the header's, most of the dup's seem to have
> > austin.rr.com involved some where.
> 
> In examining them closely, what I found was that the bounces all came
> from the same site, and all were rejected because the IP address of
> some site - that was neither mine, or FreeBSDs - didn't have a reverse
> DNS.

It hasn't been that long since m018.com was doing the same thing. They
fixed their problem. It looks like the people in Austin, Texas have a
problem and based on the number of complains, they don't appear to
know how to fix the problem.

> 
> My conclusion is that the mail on the list (lists, actually - i see it
> for a number of them) is holding mail for several days, then spitting
> parts of it back, seemingly at random. Worse yet, their DNS is hosed
> in a way that causes one recipient to reject it, meaning you also get
> a bounce back from it. I believe that's a problem with their mailer as
> well; the FreeBSD lists ask that errors from messages going through th
> lists go back to them for correction.
> 
> I've complained to the people that the recieved line headers finger
> more than once, and never seen a reply.

I accused them of exceeding the Peter principle in multiple
disciplines. They probably won't understand. I thought that deleting
who ever is subscribed from that domain would do more good. Tell them
"I'm sorry but your ISP is spamming all of the responder's to a world
wide list". I understood one response when the person recognized a
several day old email that he was in the process of re-responding to.

Kent

> 
>         <mike
> 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tyler K McGeorge" <treznor@sunflower.com>
> > > To: "Andrew Hesford" <ajh3@chmod.ath.cx>; "Rick Hamell" <hamellr@1nova.com>
> > > Cc: "Kevin Brunelle" <kruptos@netzero.net>; <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Mailing list issues.
> > >
> > > > I was having a conflict with the list myself. Any message I would send
> > > would
> > > > go through, but I would get a message from a mailer daemon along the route
> > > > that my message would not be delivered. This has stopped, but it was quite
> > > > confusing for a while.
> > > >
> > > > Ty
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Andrew Hesford <ajh3@chmod.ath.cx>
> > > > To: Rick Hamell <hamellr@heorot.1nova.com>
> > > > Cc: Kevin Brunelle <kruptos@netzero.net>; <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Mailing list issues.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > | I've had my server down for as much as half a day, I think. This was
> > > > | during the daytime hours too, which is a fairly busy time for -stable
> > > > | and -questions.
> > > > |
> > > > | I've never been dropped, though.
> > > > |
> > > > | On another note, I *have* noticed problems with the mailing lists
> > > > | lately. Twice in the last few days, I've been getting loads of old
> > > > | messages, which I'd already read and deleted locally. Is majordomo going
> > > > | insane, or am I? I hope this happens to other people.
> > > > |
> > > > | On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 10:30:24AM -0800, Rick Hamell wrote:
> > > > | > > Does anyone know why I would be unsubscribed from all the freebsd
> > > > | > > mailing lists from time to time. I suddenly stop getting the
> > > messages,
> > > > | > > with no warning or anything. I am using Netzero to accept this mail,
> > > > for
> > > > | > > me, and I collect it from them later. If this is not freebsd.org,
> > > how
> > > > | > > would netzero be dropping my lists? I get them back as soon as I
> > > > | > > resubscribe. This can be really annoying. This last time, it was
> > > less
> > > > | > > than a month before this happened. Any ideas on this?
> > > > | >
> > > > | > If for some reason your domain becomes unavailable, the mailing
> > > > | > lists will automatically drop an email address if a certain number of
> > > > | > messages bounce back from it. I have no idea what that number is, but
> > > I
> > > > do
> > > > | > know that with the amount of traffic on this list in paticular, I
> > > could
> > > > be
> > > > | > dropped with in a period of 8 hours.
> > > > | --
> > > > | Andrew Hesford
> > > > | ajh3@chmod.ath.cx
> > > > |
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> > --
> > Kent Stewart
> > Richland, WA
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