From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 19 21:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B8916A468 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx24.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E85B113C43E for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 30880 invoked by uid 399); 19 May 2007 21:41:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 May 2007 21:41:28 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <464F6F06.30504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:41:26 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Cooper References: <464F6336.7040808@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <464F6336.7040808@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Ports tree : Xorg-7.2 release freeze, ETA? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:41:29 -0000 Garrett Cooper wrote: > Wouldn't it be sufficient to force major component testers (in this > case Xorg 7.2) to use periodic snapshots of the ports tree (possibly CVS > branching), while allowing continued development in the ports tree? There will be very few truly major projects of this nature ever in the life of the ports tree. In fact, one of the reasons this IS such a major change is that things are being organized better now so that future updates to even major systems like X won't be anywhere near so painful. > Part > of my concern is based in the fact that this might be causing issues > with customer integrity, Whose customers are you talking about? FreeBSD doesn't have customers, it has users. > thus degrading confidence in FreeBSD as a production product. Confidence would have been degraded a lot more if the xorg7 changes were rushed into the tree causing massive breakage and unhappiness for our users. The portmgr team was in a no-win situation here. I personally am glad that they erred on the side of caution. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection