From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 18 13:45:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29043 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28960 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id NAA07510; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:45:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Atipa cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stop smoking crack. This is not about Bill Gates having too much money. This is about monopoly. Go read some history with the following keywords: Standard Oil, AT&T. Monopoly is bad for economy. Monopoly does not help the economy. Monopoly should be stopped. -- Yan Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." On Mon, 18 May 1998, Atipa wrote: > > > > >I know I am going out on a limbe here, but I do not think the Justice >Department should make any decisions on the software industry, and I think >Microsoft should be allowed to ship whatever the hell it wants. > >We are told that this is a free, capitalistic country, but now they want >to say it is just sort-of capitalistic? That you can make all the money >you want, until you make too much? What kind of crap is that? > >I belive in economic Darwinism; that is to say, good products flourish and >poor products wilt away. The consumer ultimately decides what sells and >what doesn't, and not the providers. If Win98 stinks, I hope it dies and >forces MS to make better products. But who am I to say what they should or >should not try to do? > >Adding insult to this whole situation are the demands of the US >Government. Now these are plain silly, and I applaud Bill Gates for >telling them where to go with their suggesions: > > * That Microsoft disable their browser, and _all_available_means > of accessing it. This is _almost_ reasonable, but I can > understand the common vision of PC's as extensions to the > Internet. To make a browser part of an OS seems like a really > cool idea to me. Now I do agree 100% that other browsers should > be able to operate in the new environment (eg, no MS booby traps > or proprietary mumbo jumbo to prevent competition) > > * If MS does include a browser, they must also provide all > competing products as well. Can you say horse? That is > entirely ludicrous. To paraphrase Bill Gates, "It is like having > to include 2 cans of Pepsi in every Coke six pack." Amen. > As I said, take off the restrictions and let the best product > win. As consumers, _WE_ are the ones getting hosed in this > ordeal, not Microsoft. > > * MS must modify their "Window Manager" so that OEMs and > competitors can customize their visual. How would all the > developers of FreeBSD feel if I took a FreeBSD release, changed > the GUI a bit, and called it AtipaOS? You would feel smited. > Also, the continuity of the UI is the only thing that makes > supporting this crap OS possible. If everyone had their own > interface, providers would have a bear of a time giving > accurate, detailed instructions. > >We must take a stand, and tell the Justice Deptartment to bugger off. They >do not understand the software industry, they are setting a horrible >precendent, and depriving the American people of free choice. > >They are ruining a good, competitive environment by degrading the efforts >of the front runner, instead of promoting the laggers. We are all losing >out. > >The issue to me is not whether or not Win98 is good or bad, the issue is >freedom. I support Bill Gates in this issue, and hope you will as well. >Hopefully, this product will fail all on its own, and open the doors to >good programmers all over the world, without US ecomonic intervention. > >I hope you all can see through this junk. Liberty must be preserved. Let >the best products win, and let MS die on its own two feet. > >Kevin > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message