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ASN(0.00)[asn:29222, ipnet:185.125.24.0/22, country:CH] --_=_swift_1738089265_e12796b01aa0728e06c301b1000222c0_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2025-01-28T17:06:42.000+01:00, Tomek CEDRO wrote:= >=C2=A0On=C2=A0Sun,=C2=A0Jan=C2=A026,=C2=A02025=C2=A0at=C2=A02:54= =E2=80=AFPM=C2=A0Paul=C2=A0Floyd=C2=A0wrote: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0On=C2=A026/12/= 2024=C2=A017:30,=C2=A0Daniel=C2=A0Engberg=C2=A0wrote: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Good=C2=A0board=C2=A0however=C2=A0there's=C2=A0very=C2= =A0little=C2=A0that=C2=A0justifies=C2=A0the >>=C2=A0=C2=A0difference= =C2=A0in=C2=A0price=C2=A0between=C2=A0X670E=C2=A0and=C2=A0X870E=C2=A0varian= ts=C2=A0(spend=C2=A0that >>=C2=A0=C2=A0on=C2=A0a=C2=A0cooler=C2=A0instead= ).=C2=A0You=C2=A0can=C2=A0find=C2=A0a=C2=A0short=C2=A0summary=C2=A0here, = >>=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1fpk3cq/proart_x87= 0ecreator_wifi_vs_proart_x670ecreator/ >>=C2=A0=C2=A0.=C2=A0Graphics= =C2=A0is=C2=A0integrated=C2=A0in=C2=A0the=C2=A0CPU=C2=A0so=C2=A0choice= =C2=A0of=C2=A0motherboard >>=C2=A0=C2=A0doesn't=C2=A0matter=C2=A0in=C2= =A0that=C2=A0regard.=C2=A0Without=C2=A0looking=C2=A0too=C2=A0much=C2=A0it's= >>=C2=A0=C2=A0probably=C2=A0going=C2=A0to=C2=A0be=C2=A0a=C2=A0bit=C2= =A0rough=C2=A0using=C2=A06.1=C2=A0as=C2=A0a=C2=A0base.=C2=A0(My=C2=A0box= =C2=A0is >>=C2=A0=C2=A0headless) >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0I=C2=A0went=C2=A0with=C2=A0a=C2=A0Asus=C2=A0Rog=C2=A0Strix=C2=A0in=C2= =A0the=C2=A0end. >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06.1=C2=A0does=C2= =A0seem=C2=A0a=C2=A0bit=C2=A0rough,=C2=A0it=C2=A0gave=C2=A0me=C2=A0a=C2= =A0kernel=C2=A0panic=C2=A0when=C2=A0I >>=C2=A0=C2=A0loaded=C2=A0it. >= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0Can=C2=A0you=C2=A0please=C2=A0report=C2=A0back=C2=A0on= =C2=A0how=C2=A0stable=C2=A0is=C2=A0FreeBSD=C2=A0on=C2=A0that >=C2=A0hardw= are? >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0I=C2=A0am=C2=A0thinking=C2=A0about=C2=A0moving= =C2=A014.2-RELEASE=C2=A0to=C2=A0new=C2=A0hardware=C2=A0very=C2=A0soon >= =C2=A0with >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0AMD=C2=A0Ryzen=C2=A09=C2=A09950X=C2=A0CPU= =C2=A0(Zen5)=C2=A0and=C2=A0also=C2=A0some=C2=A0ASUS=C2=A0mobo=C2=A0(either= =C2=A0X870E >=C2=A0or >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0X670E=C2=A0not=C2=A0sure=C2= =A0yet). >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0I=C2=A0plan=C2=A0to=C2=A0buy=C2=A06000MHz=C2= =A0RAM=C2=A0in=C2=A064..96..128..192GB=C2=A0size=C2=A0for=C2=A0a=C2=A0ramdi= sk >=C2=A0to >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0speed=C2=A0up=C2=A0build=C2=A0times. >= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0This=C2=A0will=C2=A0be=C2=A0my=C2=A0development=C2=A0workst= ation=C2=A0and=C2=A0I=C2=A0also=C2=A0need=C2=A0good=C2=A0stable >=C2= =A03D >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0with=C2=A0multimonitor+rotation=C2=A0setup=C2= =A0for=C2=A0CAD=C2=A0and=C2=A0multimedia=C2=A0so=C2=A0scfb >=C2=A0 >= =C2=A0fallback=C2=A0is=C2=A0not=C2=A0an=C2=A0option=C2=A0because=C2=A0it= =C2=A0does=C2=A0not=C2=A0support >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0multimonitor+rotation= =C2=A0without=C2=A0gpu=C2=A0drivers=C2=A0even=C2=A0with=C2=A0no=C2=A03d >= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0acceleration. >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0I=C2=A0will=C2=A0definitel= y=C2=A0buy=C2=A0second=C2=A0hand=C2=A0NVIDIA=C2=A0GPU=C2=A0because=C2=A0I= =C2=A0am=C2=A0sick=C2=A0tired >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0of=C2=A0AMDGPU=C2=A0stabil= ity=C2=A0problems=C2=A0with=C2=A0my=C2=A0RX580=C2=A0and=C2=A0I=C2=A0dont= =C2=A0believe=C2=A0modern >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0built-in=C2=A0GPU=C2=A0will= =C2=A0even=C2=A0work.=C2=A0After=C2=A0move=C2=A0to=C2=A014.2=C2=A0(and= =C2=A0drm-61-kmod)=C2=A0it >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0does=C2=A0not=C2=A0panic= =C2=A0as=C2=A0on=C2=A014.0/5.15=C2=A0but=C2=A0it=C2=A0gets=C2=A0hiccups= =C2=A0that=C2=A0require >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0reboot..=C2=A0far=C2=A0from= =C2=A013.3/5.10=C2=A0stability..=C2=A0so=C2=A0I=C2=A0am=C2=A0considering= =C2=A0just >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0replacing=C2=A0GPU=C2=A0and=C2=A0use=C2=A0nvi= dia=C2=A0drivers=C2=A0:-( >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0--=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2= =A0CeDeROM,=C2=A0SQ7MHZ,=C2=A0http://www.tomek.cedro.info Stability is= excellent using Asus ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI and a Ryzen 7900 at least= , some platform support bits a missing like no way to monitor CPU boost e= tc. You can however roughly monitor CPU feq. Anything faster than 5600MT = for memory is overclocking and in most cases to very little benefit. If y= ou utilize 4 DIMMs it's go down to 3600 with 2R sticks and possibly bit f= aster with 1R (official specs states 3600 however). Intel ARC is probably= your best bet in the long run however 6.1 is too hold even for the A-ser= ies. Best regards, Daniel --_=_swift_1738089265_e12796b01aa0728e06c301b1000222c0_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2025-01-28T17:06:42.000+01:00, Tomek CEDRO = <tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 2:54=E2=80=AFPM Paul Floyd wrote:
  On 26/12/2024 17:30, Danie=
l Engberg wrote:
 Good board however there's very little that=
 justifies the difference in price between X670E and X870E variants (spend =
that on a cooler instead). You can find a short summary here, https://www.reddit.com/r/buildap=
c/comments/1fpk3cq/proart_x870ecreator_wifi_vs_proart_x670ecreator/ . G=
raphics is integrated  in the CPU so choice of motherboard doesn't matter i=
n that regard. Without looking too much it's probably going to be a bit rou=
gh using 6.1 as a base. (My box is headless)

 =
I went with a Asus Rog Strix in the end.
 6.1 does seem a bit=
 rough, it gave me a kernel panic when I loaded it.
<=
div>
Can you please report back on how stable is FreeBSD on = that hardware?
I am thinking about moving 14.2-RELEASE to new= hardware very soon with
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU (Zen5) and als= o some ASUS mobo (either X870E or
X670E not sure yet).

I plan to buy 6000MHz RAM in 64..96..128..192GB size= for a ramdisk to
speed up build times.

This will be my development workstation and I also need good stable= 3D
with multimonitor+rotation setup for CAD and multimedia s= o scfb
fallback is not an option because it does not support<= br>
multimonitor+rotation without gpu drivers even with no 3d
=
acceleration.

I will definitely buy= second hand NVIDIA GPU because I am sick tired
of AMDGPU sta= bility problems with my RX580 and I dont believe modern
built= -in GPU will even work. After move to 14.2 (and drm-61-kmod) it
does not panic as on 14.0/5.15 but it gets hiccups that require
reboot.. far from 13.3/5.10 stability.. so I am considering just
<= /div>
replacing GPU and use nvidia drivers :-(

=
--
Stability is excellent using Asus ProArt X6= 70E-CREATOR WIFI and a Ryzen 7900 at least, some platform support bits a mi= ssing like no way to monitor CPU boost etc. You can however roughly monitor= CPU feq. Anything faster than 5600MT for memory is overclocking and in mos= t cases to very little benefit. If you utilize 4 DIMMs it's go down to 3600= with 2R sticks and possibly bit faster with 1R (official specs states 3600= however). Intel ARC is probably your best bet in the long run however 6.1 = is too hold even for the A-series.

Best regards,
Daniel
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