From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 19 21:46:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B51D16A400; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287CA13C458; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l4JLkvRI001694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 May 2007 14:46:57 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.45] (c-67-166-149-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.166.149.71]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l4JLkuid016644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 May 2007 14:46:57 -0700 Message-ID: <464F7050.3010103@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:46:56 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <464F6336.7040808@u.washington.edu> <464F6F06.30504@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <464F6F06.30504@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.1.294258, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.1.298604, Antispam-Data: 2007.5.19.143037 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Ports tree : Xorg-7.2 release freeze, ETA? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:46:58 -0000 Doug Barton wrote: > Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be sufficient to force major component testers (in >> this case Xorg 7.2) to use periodic snapshots of the ports tree >> (possibly CVS branching), while allowing continued development in the >> ports tree? > > There will be very few truly major projects of this nature ever in the > life of the ports tree. In fact, one of the reasons this IS such a major > change is that things are being organized better now so that future > updates to even major systems like X won't be anywhere near so painful. > >> Part of my concern is based in the fact that this might be causing >> issues with customer integrity, > > Whose customers are you talking about? FreeBSD doesn't have customers, > it has users. Sorry -- thinking of work =\.. I meant 'end users'. >> thus degrading confidence in FreeBSD as a production product. > > Confidence would have been degraded a lot more if the xorg7 changes were > rushed into the tree causing massive breakage and unhappiness for our > users. > True, but I wonder how end users are going to take to the fact that a lot of ports were removed or changed in the 7.2 integration period. I've noticed a lot of 'deletes' for ports when running csup today. > The portmgr team was in a no-win situation here. I personally am glad > that they erred on the side of caution. Perhaps, but I think that some of these things maybe could have been handled differently ( / better?) if source branching was in place, both for devs and for end-users in the X.org 7.2 evaluation phase. > Doug -Garrett