From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 02:44:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F51C106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665C58FC15 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0H2in1S056537 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4F14E0A1.4080306@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:44:49 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111226 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:44:50 -0000 On 01/16/2012 17:03, Atom Smasher wrote: > > i bought myself a LENOVO T510 when it first came out, around early > 2010. it's got an i5 CPU and Arrandale GPU. it's two years old and on > freeBSD i STILL can't run xorg properly with it. linux has run fine > with it since i opened the box. last i checked, freeBSD will be > support this GPU in R9... or maybe R10...? The usual explanation for this is that FreeBSD is the server OS and doesn't need to worry about desktop-only hardware. (Not that I agree with such position.) I noticed that FreeBSD overall isn't too good for laptops (correct me if I am wrong). Even if Arrandale GPU worked, there is no working network manager in kde or gnome, able to find and setup WiFi networks without user typing anything. Also FreeBSD isn't able to enter (and come back from) the sleep mode. Also it can't stop the hard drives when the system is idle (last time I tried I got system crash). These make it very difficult to use FreeBSD on the laptops. Major usability issues. Yuri