From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 28 14:09:33 2013 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F8D297 for <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DB7D6D for <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r0SE9SC1015632; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:09:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <51068698.1010302@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:09:28 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <stephen@missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike@blackskyresearch.net> Subject: Re: svn - but smaller? References: <20130123144050.GG51786@e-Gitt.NET> <20130124111332.GA29105@server.rulingia.com> <1359343502-3377760.86081485.fr0S3OcBl026861@rs149.luxsci.com> <5105F684.501@missouri.edu> <1359380102-3423267.83606864.fr0SDYbB5022353@rs149.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <1359380102-3423267.83606864.fr0SDYbB5022353@rs149.luxsci.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code <freebsd-stable.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:09:33 -0000 On 01/28/2013 07:34 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > On CTM, > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> On 01/27/2013 09:24 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >>>> On 2013-Jan-23 15:40:50 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller <ob@e-Gitt.NET> wrote: >>>>> in ancient times there was cvsup. >>> >>> Thank you for adding the ctm bits in the page, I'm deeply intrigued by possibly solving this problem with bits *already* in base?!! > ... >>> - does CTM go away with the CVS servers? >>> - do CTM-compatable patch/delta files exist on project repos? >>> - what is the cleanest path to using CTM? (e.g. is the patch you mention required) > ... >>> Say I have a bare 9.1 install, no ports, haven't downloaded any base/src or ports yet. >>> How do I go about using ctm(1) to fetch REL or STABLE to /usr/src, command by command? >> >> First, you don't need any patches to get started. >> >> Suppose you want to keep up with 9.x-stable. Then you look at the ftp >> site ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-9/, look at the latest >> xEmpty file, and fetch it. Then create an empty directory /usr/src, and >> then do >> cd /usr/src && ctm the-xEmpty-file-you-downloaded. >> No need to decompress the file first. >> Then fetch from the same web site all the files whose number is greater >> than the xEmpty file you downloaded and do >> cd /usr/src && ctm the-rest-of-the-files* >> >> Now in /usr/src, you will have a reasonably up to date version of >> 9.x-stable. >> >> You can keep it up to date by getting more files, either from the ftp >> site, or by email, and doing again >> cd /usr/src && ctm the-rest-of-the-files* >> It will automatically ignore the files already applied. >> >> Similar instructions for all the other stable/currents and ports. Main >> thing to remember - start with an empty directory. >> >> Also making local changes is not permitted. If ctm tries to modify a >> file whose md5 checksum has changed, it will quit with an error message. >> (But it won't leave your system in an unusable state - if you put that >> file back to its original state, then ctm will work again.) >> >> Now, if you want something not offered by ctm (e.g. 8.2-release), then >> you need to use svn. You can get svn via ctm. But you (1) need to >> apply the patch, (2) install the svn port, and (3) install the xz port >> if your FreeBSD is really old. > > Thank you Stephen, ctm(1) is quite rad, but I see now how it doesn't really replace the 'one-liner' pull of c[v]sup… > > I updated the wiki page with an example from your notes, > https://wiki.freebsd.org/UsersFetchingSource > > -- > With that, 2 questions: > > - I'm wondering if there is a clean/reliable way to pull an index of the CTM deltas? (This is still very far from the one-liner c[v]sup had become, it would be great to check for new delta files in a simple automated manner.) > Not sure what you mean. You can do "ctm -l file-name" and it will tell you what files are modified in that delta. And for ports, you have the usual "make fetchindex." But that is about it. > - does CTM go away with the CVS servers, e.g. who/how is it supported supported and maintained going foreword under SVN? > No. CTM is now completely dependent on svn. I create the CTM deltas on a computer owned by the University of Missouri.