From owner-freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 08:59:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0C414E62D3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116177460E for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C631014E62CF; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: tcltk@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B498514E62CE for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (ptrcrt.ch [IPv6:2a02:2770:8:0:21a:4aff:fe7e:c6be]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 221167460C for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gahr@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ptrcrt.ch (mail.ptrcrt.ch [192.168.1.1]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a73965e8; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptrcrt.ch (mail.ptrcrt.ch [192.168.1.1]) by mail.ptrcrt.ch (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9968cbac TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:58:59 +0000 From: Pietro Cerutti To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: "tcltk@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No man pages by default Message-ID: <20190219085859.tqltpq42i3tsppjl@ptrcrt.ch> Reply-To: Pietro Cerutti References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: fp="546D E77C FA14 CEA4 480A D7FA 4099 3B5A 4A8F 3F12"; id="0x40993B5A4A8F3F12"; get=; get=; get=; get= OpenPGP: id=40993B5A4A8F3F12; url=https://gahr.ch/pgp/0x40993B5A4A8F3F12.txt; url=https://keybase.io/gahr/key.asc User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716-1175-d2e9dc X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 221167460C X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-tcltk@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Tcl/Tk discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:59:06 -0000 On Feb 19 2019, 06:47 UTC, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >Oops a co-worker reminded me I asked this in the past :) > >A suggestion then was to use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid collisions with >multiple Tcl versions being installed simultaneously so I'll see about >creating patches to do that. Hi Daniel, the Tcl/Tk ports already use MAN_SUFFIX to avoid conflicts when installing multiple versions. Moreover, man pages don't imply any additional dependencies and the additional disk space needed is in my opinion reasonable (lang/tcl86 is 7.66MiB without vs. 8.74MiB with manpages on my system). Given these reasons, I have changed the default options of Tcl/Tk 85, 86 and 87 so that man pages are installed by default. Additionally, I have also enabled the installation of TZ data by default. The relevant commit is r493355. Thanks, > >> On 19 Feb 2019, at 17:02, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >> Hi, >> We use Tcl/Tk on FreeBSD for a lot of work things (running radar >> systems) and one annoying bug bear is the lack of man pages by >> default. >> >> The commit to disable them >> (https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revision&revision=229081) >> doesn't say why so I was wondering if anyone knew, and if there would >> be any objections to changing the default? >> >> We would very much like to transition to using FreeBSD default >> packages wherever possible and this would be very helpful. >> >> I did have a look in bugzilla but I couldn't find anything (apart >> from a few name conflicts which were fixed with some man page >> renames). >> >> Any information / feedback much appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer >> for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au >> "The nice thing about standards is that there >> are so many of them to choose from." >> -- Andrew Tanenbaum >> -- Pietro Cerutti