From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 7 21:59:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE713106566B; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42E68FC14; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from 4.151.178.10.in-addr.arpa (m420e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m57Lx2pS062513; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.005 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.172, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.617] Message-Id: <2C3F6FAB-1B11-4F96-9F24-7CF6F44C0078@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Adrian Chadd In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:58:54 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <6010676B-91B0-4AF8-ACF8-039A59B29331@netconsonance.com> <200806050248.59229.max@love2party.net> <20080605083907.GD1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <902E9703E6E50776A17E9F92@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20080605220244.GP1028@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <34E9F0D46D7B9F45EDA38F4C@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <86tzg6aeye.fsf@ds4.des.no> <5B0709D83455470DA46533C4@Macintosh.local> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:59:20 -0000 On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > As said before, the reason FreeBSD isn't supporting older 6.x releases > anymore is because there's just no manpower to do so. Which is what I was asking about. I've asked the questions more specifically since they apparently weren't phrased well the first time. It would be great to hear answers to those questions. > I still don't think you get it. FreeBSD is a community. A community > works when enough people contribute positively towards furthering the > goals of the project. Jo is a user. He sounds like he is using it in > some reasonably critical and money-earning roles. Jo can participate > by testing stuff on test hardware, reporting back issues and working > with the community. Which I do. If you check out my bug reports they almost always include patches. I've also added freebsd support to many projects, including full package management in the latest versions of cfengine. > Bitching about there being no long-term support > for releases isn't constructive. Some developer comments may not be > constructive either, but this is a -community project-. Join the > -community- and help out. Am I missing an ID card? Where should I go to acquire one? When there is a specific issue I can help with, I do. In this case I was asking about the justification for dropping support so quickly. > It doesn't matter if running a long-term support project would be > beneficial for a certain subset of the userbase, its a losing > situation to cater to them unless they somehow contribute back to the > community. I work on bugs for things I can help with. I add freebsd support to various projects. I test and report bugs on new releases. I spend at least 10% (and sometimes more) of my paid $EMPLOYER's time working on freebsd things, and countless hours of unpaid time. I don't know that I can do any more than this. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness