From owner-freebsd-current Wed Dec 30 20:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18328 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18309 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11914; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:39:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: "Russell L. Carter" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , John Birrell , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New aout-to-elf build failures. In-Reply-To: <199812310354.UAA28368@psf.Pinyon.ORG> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't dispute any of this, as long as when all is said and done, there is a relatively simple way for people to upgrade from 2.2.x to 3.0-pickyourflavor. Failure to provide this mechanism seems counter productive. However, there are a lot of 3.x systems out there that need updating, and the existing tools don't work... On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > > People aren't sufficiently committed to keeping the upgrade process in > > > working order. It's now broken in several ways. Looks like a binary > > > upgrade is the only feasible option. Sigh. > > > > [...] > > > > > I would of course love to see the aout-to-elf target continue to work > > in this migration process but I can only go after the /boot problems, > > which I have a few ideas on (mostly copying stuff into there on a.out > > systems using the contents of /usr/mdec). If more than this is broken, > > I suggest tugging on the sleeves of those responsible and asking them > > how we're going to get everyone forcefully migrated to ELF on the 6th > > of Jan if there's no real mechanism for the -current folks to do it. > > First: I agree with the sentiments entirely. Second: Why not start > shouting now, with a HEADSUP storm converging on Jan 6 to get people > off their butts? I started my aout-to-elf process on the three work > systems I maintain for orthogonal reasons, but it has still taken > a couple of weeks (as a background process) > to move three operational systems providing important > (but not mission critical) services more or less transparently to > elf. Including sorting through the aout-vs-elf bugs which are > the start of this thread. > > It's another danes with axes kinda problem, and communication helps. > Ignore the whiners who would rather type than switch. > > Russell > > > > > > > - Jordan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message