From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 10 16:12:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83371065672 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D728FC20 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so65034pwj.13 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.229.10 with SMTP id jg10mr324818qcb.99.1276186374715; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (c-67-189-160-65.hsd1.ny.comcast.net [67.189.160.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x6sm216465vco.11.2010.06.10.09.12.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 235B1E5480A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:12:50 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100610121250.6ae70dfb@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201006101512.48246.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <201006101147.40385.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <201006101432.23605.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4C10E2F5.70806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <201006101512.48246.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAG1BMVEX3/uPVnZf2/v9ejGkqHB74++H///+cHCT3m6cgqYvfAAACbElEQVQ4jWXTQW/bIBQAYJLJuRMn8TVCss9zTdrrXJ6bHe1Ej/bossF9EpJ3nbapf3sP8JxOQ4qV8OU9HvjBROWcYNlKHtxlQ1/huBaOBiMwQtgHhbokMLIT76Acps5hvy61+6WsjkCZzNEW0+fcQ7Nl5uoPCegjjjhN5/MEABd89k9hXkQoX6cwPIDKCt8tYG5wpmdrxAyuolTPqpiVoEpVCWvl6e00RAD4JBJQnO4lvv0O4Cnd3WUGevYNFohxFYAy7jCCtW39LaQK8BgDAgiHVinVJlCiFKlcqgEHfwb1EuG+DwFGMO3oCIuJIEYoa8KJECBB+UBldgm0MQmEGz7GQr8XYRPKzYNO1zZ8mgdAu4BG5Ke/4KFboM8458UScViAAvYD93OAsu+Bc3zxCU7ZAjT74+dQv9K7oO0d1wuscop48Pc50O5bcVwgGzh/mXzaizJuAWERh8k3eaxKmxu4kV1p2XOEg3i3c8M+EKR93P0D1KATpC55vMHaGqFf5f/AwhlrhHgg8DTezopt6I3o3Qx4q4q6YaPxK8RxcClXeFGhTTS++QR6TS/oBs7l4WhzuNMubZG6hIBkF4qqZVdWczIqSrjKVF/i4o26IP2oElBGFy5CXKSnf6UWDTC6zKSqoAvzsakjjBvdzLKnmxdhY8eRsX7VSCUBdgD1hVJpx6y2OOS1DNDILYmqdWUJ+oHvd0rRvAqX5kpxQMR6yxHzPV6VlPFyWE7LKc36keNQI64gLP8Ybgtmg+zYuBl4fuI8VqW2RqDGE8Uzu7GxGa803whDdxx3bSZbRhfQUSxvmnpLZWpRFqHz7v8AvsBe0S1zv9UAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Midphase Hosting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:12:56 -0000 On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:12:48 +0200 Jonathan McKeown articulated: > On Thursday 10 June 2010 15:04:53 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > > The only other mechanism might be to tag each list e-mail with a > > unique value for each recipient in such a way that it is preserved > > in the message that mpcustomer.com's help system sends out. That > > has severe problems of scale and load on the FreeBSD mail servers, > > but it might be possible. There is a similar technique (whose name > > I have temporarily forgotten) that some mailing lists use where > > they tag the envelope sender address with the recipient name in > > order to identify addresses that are bouncing back the list e-mail. > > Isn't that called VERP (variable envelope return path)? I agree - the > load it would impose isn't worth it. I'm just shocked that midphase > care so little about their reputation or the impression this is > giving, on one of the more widely-archived mailing lists, of their > competence and diligence. I have employed VERP with mailing lists that I controlled. I never noticed any adverse effects. I know of several technical lists like Dovecot that employ it. Obviously, they find it useful. -- Jerry FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ "If you have a hill to climb, waiting won't make it smaller." Anonymous