From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jul 1 14:13:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9038B37B400; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bran.mc.mpls.visi.com (bran.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1700343E13; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hawkeyd@visi.com) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by bran.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399AD4AE3; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:13:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g61LDO910962; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:13:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:13:24 -0500 From: D J Hawkey Jr To: Doug Barton Cc: Terry Lambert , Mike Silbersack , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ftp and mail much slower into fbsd 4.4 vs and old BSDi Message-ID: <20020701161324.A10945@sheol.localdomain> Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com References: <3D20AC1C.72B60BC2@mindspring.com> <20020701134833.E24940-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020701134833.E24940-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:50:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 01, at 01:50 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Mike Silbersack wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > The problem is that Terry has described the theory, whereas many of us > > > > who have observed the situation in the real world have noticed that even > > > > on a homogenous network (all with newreno enabled) performance is still > > > > worse than with newreno disabled. > > > > I guess you missed the part where I said that FreeBSD had bugs, and > > Matt Dillon posted patches? > > Nope. I think you missed the part where I said I was talking about > reality, not theory. :) The reality is, it's broken now, and in my > experience, turning it off makes the system "work better." > > I agree that it should be fixed in the long term, but it ain't gonna be me > that fixes it. Guys, guys... Take 'er easy. All I asked is what it is, what it does, and the ramifications. Thank you both for enlightening me. Really. No sarcasm. If none of the three of us are going to fix it, but we all have opinions on how to deal with with, let's just be tolerant of those opinions, and move on, OK? I have yet to determine if 4.5-REL-p7 has the patches Terry speaks of, but I'll look into it, and chart my own course, just as the two of you have. > Doug Thanks, Dave -- ______________________ ______________________ \__________________ \ D. J. HAWKEY JR. / __________________/ \________________/\ hawkeyd@visi.com /\________________/ http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message