From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 01:04:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79536106564A; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from argol.doit.wisc.edu (argol.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EA88FC0C; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:04:22 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0LOV005006ZAX600@smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net ([unknown] [76.210.68.180]) by smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0LOV001OJ6Z87U10@smtpauth3.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:04:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:04:20 -0500 From: Nathan Whitehorn In-reply-to: To: Adrian Chadd Message-id: <4E2CC114.1060606@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-10, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.7.25.5414, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CB4AC.3070403@orange.fr> <4E2CBF89.7070104@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110704 Thunderbird/5.0 Cc: Claude Buisson , freebsd-current Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:04:23 -0000 Yes, I agree. I'll ask re@ to change it. -Nathan On 07/24/11 20:02, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Something tells me that's a disaster waiting to happen. Eg, if > something happens, and the installer disk gets corrupted, people may > blame freebsd for being unstable, email questions to freebsd-* mailing > lists asking why X doesn't work (only for it to work when the image is > written out again), etc, etc. > > If it's going to double as a live image versus an installer than maybe > have a boot option that mounts the root filesystem read-write > (complete with some fingerprint that says that the image has been > booted read-write at least once?) > > > > Adrian > > On 25 July 2011 08:57, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> It does not. I had tried to match the behavior of the 8.x memsticks. It's an >> easy change in /usr/src/release/ARCH/make-memstick.sh to change it, however. >> -Nathan >> >> On 07/24/11 19:54, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> .. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? >>> >>> >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>> On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson wrote: >>>> On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>> On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: >>>>>> I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not >>>>>> payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 >>>>>> and never really had a problem with understanding the installation >>>>>> program. There is always a first time, I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ >>>>>> >>>>>> When booting I seem to get a screen that makes me remember installer >>>>>> screens of the 1980s. (They were not exactly intuitive.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I somehow got the idea that the new installer was graphic. Maybe >>>>>> something like PCBsd that is not bad at all. I use it on all our >>>>>> employees computers. Actually, after seeing this, I would love to >>>>>> have the old installer back. Is their an option for that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this new ASCII installer have a "how to" with a bit of >>>>>> information on the flow of the installation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you >>>>> would prefer be changed? "Reminiscent of the 1980s" is not really >>>>> helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very much >>>>> like sysinstall, which you seemed to like. >>>>> -Nathan >>>> Recently I installed a system from the "official" memory stick May >>>> snapshot >>>> (FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201105-amd64-memstick.img). here are a few remarks: >>>> >>>> - the 1st thing I need to do is to configure the keyboard, as I am not in >>>> the >>>> US. This is needed for an install, but also for using it as a live >>>> system. >>>> And >>>> the keyboard configuration dialog is only a part of the installation >>>> procedure. >>>> >>>> - the partition tool is too simple/rudimentary, compared to the old >>>> sysinstall >>>> dialog. I always want to have a total control of the partitions e.g. to >>>> have >>>> a >>>> proper alignement. So one must use the shell escape or the live system, >>>> which is >>>> a regression. >>>> >>>> - extracting the tarballs lead to (cryptic) errors: I discovered the hard >>>> way >>>> that I needed to execute a newfs. >>>> >>>> - I followed a succession of screens asking me to do the usual >>>> configuration >>>> steps (hostname, clock, network - IPv4 only ?? -, users) and at the end I >>>> get >>>> back a screen asking me if a wanted to do the steps I had done just >>>> before... >>>> >>>> - booting the installed system, I found that the hostname disappeared, >>>> the >>>> keyboard was not configured, nor the network, and so on >>>> >>>> - during the whole process the screen was scrambled by the occurence of a >>>> number >>>> of LORs displayed on top of the dialogs/messages of the installer. >>>> >>>> - the file system of the installer/live system seems to be too small, >>>> leading to >>>> a number of "system full" messages as soon a few files are written to it. >>>> >>>> So the sole value added of the installer was the extraction of the >>>> tarballs.. >>>> >>>> It seems that (on a memory stick which is writable) that every aborted >>>> attempt >>>> to do a configuration step leaves a "trace" in some files used by the >>>> installer, >>>> which is able to show it (e.g. the hostname) at the following attempts, >>>> but >>>> without garantee that it will effectively be used. >>>> >>>> (On the other hand, the advantage of the memory stick is that the system >>>> on >>>> it >>>> can be configured at will) >>>> >>>> Referring to a thread I found recently a propos the documentation on the >>>> install >>>> media, I also want to say that a proper installer must be able to do its >>>> work >>>> without any Internet connectivity. There exist systems which are not >>>> connected, >>>> and networks without any communication with the Internet. >>>> >>>> Claude Buisson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>