From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 15 15:45:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBAA3BD56D for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BTPm20TXsz4GwT for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.139.172]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8CE3F4E687 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:45:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeri Galtsev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:45:40 -0500 References: <40xvq0.qf0q3x.1hge1ap-qmf@smtp.boon.family> <20200814004312.bb0dd9f1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200814065701.2b390145ac6d189161bc31b4@sohara.org> <173ed205550.27bc.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> <4d320acd-a995-7a35-5c0e-c2c22e7e6f96@radel.com> <20200814213706.18eb16b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200815081600.55107873@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200815100104.4c2feae9@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20200815110742.29dd76ce@scorpio.seibercom.net> To: User Questions In-Reply-To: <20200815110742.29dd76ce@scorpio.seibercom.net> Message-Id: <0CC7D096-2F2D-4B54-8C0C-2A2AE1E7FD98@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597506354; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=F6Iq4+ZlzS2kwB6efpOjeXZeKmiYOXJdNvb7aD8Uuek=; b=bltKGGdIvW0YubqspYyPN/FFQYVLx3lXw0bsZ9v1DinYQBc1hlN3qJVb+1jTpqhLIv5g1y MVM6lJq/L4cBsFGqSHy5a/yuAGc/2p+VHEheijeTApqr3t0jRGkSlKPYK5ga4dpobqyFhl Y03hDOdaQWQB8LmUdihf/jvUxJ5crBoxCWIFu/s4qQJcevOayumFswOCoOLLaOGzUTzMfK IWiKHcn5AuCblR7f0Jsifm9bvd28UJAj19dlhF39IuwQ1rV96eHSxvMkuffCaaazR2qyRo Ar3/1GEBQktvKsaPlVon3WYJ9aIhS1LdNVuMWFyOA9d8S9cMo/l1weLpb/sLUQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597506354; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jPWyh7zTH5wO3SmJHXy2GohKfJlaI/PZKVOIA114Ffu4hK8Im6bTV0aRoL5lKZvuLZEDvs CAhSn0zoRPeL4ywXBmKh1tNs8hc71CWVzhPwR7Mju4G5eoiAFrYYoJiLibhv6K9gNj4vJJ 0DIRxv7aPHn6e0KKDmIcpzQj1JsFU+5tgf7bV1RTqDwNMpuFE/DKcsxtvSNm+MVsaB+O+l 4uPqI71owjzLb7Iwt+l9sMJPSOOkY12v9V1HZMuPbw1Z/B5iPQCDa4SGH/bytOlJoBG4a4 yP85SlhfuL6m89DpDodg2WQSmbcutmG+Dt6+NMSbWb9yyEjzXPU6wT9L2S9s8w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTPm20TXsz4GwT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.02 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.172:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.17)[0.167]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.23)[-0.225]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.559]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:45:55 -0000 > On Aug 15, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Jerry wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:37:29 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 10:01 AM Jerry wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 08:59:52 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: =20 >>>> Says someone who refuses to help fix a bug because some hardware >>>> vendor refuses to give them free equipment, even though the bug >>>> affects equipment you already have. =20 >>>=20 >>> Your analysis is incorrect. I did in fact, rectify the problem. >>> Coming to the realization that it would cost me both time and money, >>> I choose a different path. Realizing that I could easily minimise >>> the situation with a minimum of effort, I simply changed to an OS >>> that did not suffer from the affliction and offered me more leeway >>> in completing my job requirements. >>>=20 >>=20 >> So if you switched OS's, go troll some other list instead of one made >> up of people who actually care enough about the tools they use to fix >> the ones that are almost perfect instead of saying my hammer's handle >> has a little dent in it thus I am going to burn it (making a lot of >> noise about how evil the hammer is) and use a screwdriver handle to >> bang a nail in. >=20 > Your insistent whinny is directed at your hosting company, yet you > continue to post on a forum that pertains primarily to an OS. Your > supposed problem would be better directed at a forum dedicated to > resolving you problems, imaginary or not. >=20 > There are literally hundreds of sites that pertain to hosting > available. You might want to try this one: > https://forums.hostsearch.com/ >=20 >>> There is an old saying, "Piss poor planning on your part, does not >>> constitute an emergency on my part." The simple fact that you failed >>> to anticipate potential problems, either now or at some future date, >>> is solely your fault. =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Maybe it is because I am planning that I am bringing the issues up >> before they become actual issues (or I guess you can't be bothered to >> read the whole thread to see that). >=20 > The issue(s), at least according to you, have already bite you in the > ass. For the record, I have read all of the thread, including your 18 > and counting posts to that thread, all saying or relating to the same > supposed issue, your inability to get a hosting company to kiss your > ass. Poor Aryeh. "Aryeh" good, everyone else bad. >=20 >> Very few problems cannot be cured with a minimum of effort. >>> Unfortunately, all to many insist and cursing that darn night rather >>> than lighting a small candle. >>>=20 >> You just don't read, do you? If you did you would see that is = exactly >> what I was doing -- attempting to figure out where effort was worth = it >> (and which ones were unfixable but due to external stuff I am still >> stuck with and have no option but to deal with them anyways). Not >> taking the lazy way out and saying my hammer sucks and burning it. >> Burning hammers causes more problems than it solves usually (like the >> fire spreading to your entire workshop). Besides nails tend to break >> screwdriver handles when used as hammers. >=20 > You are really dense, Your options are quite clearly laid out.=20 >=20 > 1) Negotiate with the company. > a) Since that has failed, move onto #2 > 2) Bring legal action > a) So far you have failed to do that which indicates that either you > have no legal basis for the action or you fear a counter suit that > might implement you as culpable in some manner. > 3) Failing to implement #2, move to a new hosting company that is > either willing to implement your requirements of already embellishes > them. >=20 > As any real mechanic knows, if you don't have the tools you need on > hand, whether from poor planning or whatever, you utilise the tools = you > do have on hand. A nail "may" break a screwdrivers handle, but if that > nail saves a ship from shrinking, do you really think it is not worth > it? Well, you might. I can just envision you sitting on the deck, > crying like a wimp because you don't have a hammer to drive in the = nail > to seal the latch while the water flows in sinking your ship, > all-the-while a screwdriver lays unused in your tool belt. >=20 I agree with you, Jerry, and Rod. Basically, just out of human decency = when one asks for help one is supposed to accept (and use or dismiss) = suggestions, not bite back at everyone who payed an effort attempting to = help. But hey, we all know several names on the list who are different, = don=E2=80=99t we? Valeri > --=20 > Jerry >=20