From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 20 13:16:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A4116A4CE for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C4643D1D for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KKGss0010784; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:54 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id i4KKGsvj010782; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:54 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Jesse Guardiani Message-ID: <20040520201654.GA10119@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <35264.1085082037@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GEOM portable filesystem abstraction? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:16:54 -0000 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 04:08:29PM -0400, Jesse Guardiani wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that anyone should > write another abstraction layer and then port UFS to it > and force everyone to use this slower version of the UFS > filesystem by default. I'm simply suggesting that it might > be useful (for things like portable devices or dual boot > machines) to be capable of using a slightly slower filesystem > that can be compiled as a loadable kernel module on multiple > architectures and operating systems. > > I'd personally take the speed hit gladly if I *knew* that > I could put a version of FreeBSD's GBDE encrypted filesystem > on my 32gig 2.5" external USB 2.0/firewire hard disk and > read/write it successfully under Windows, MacOSX, Linux, > FreeBSD, etc... >=20 > FAT32 does this already, but without the encryption, and > without the reliability, scalability, speed, or durability > of a real modern filesystem. I can't even really fsck FAT32 > from FreeBSD, much less defrag it. If we had HFS+ in the base it would do most of that other then the encryption which would require a port of GBDE (though porting all of GEOM isn't the only way to do that). I've got a friend who uses HFS+ as his PC/Mac compatability FS because it sucks less then FAT and there are decent third party drivers for Windows. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFArRI1XY6L6fI4GtQRAudXAKC10H9lzE9K9SV3z9Mh842paOgJEACgzDBN U0pkBZW0yk258St2OS5Uiv4= =hPlr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI--