Date: 20 Apr 2003 18:24:03 -0400 From: Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Adam Weinberger <adamw@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: use_gnomeng Message-ID: <1050877443.9550.51.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> In-Reply-To: <20030420151213.J631@znfgre.tberna.bet> References: <20030420002953.55575.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <1050799770.13770.51.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20030420212022.GZ25227@vectors.cx> <1050873746.9550.23.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20030420151213.J631@znfgre.tberna.bet>
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On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 18:19, Doug Barton wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
>=20
> > On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 17:20, Adam Weinberger wrote:
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> > > >> (04.20.2003 @ 1406 PST): Doug Barton said, in 0.6K: <<
> > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > How about a port that just uses gtk12?
> > > > >
> > > > > USE_GNOME=3D gtk12
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to keep bringing this up, since it keeps not getting addr=
essed.
> > > > Ports that ONLY want gtk should not need USE_GNOME. The USE_GTK kno=
b
> > > > should be preserved ad infinitum.
> > > >> end of "Re: use_gnomeng" from Doug Barton <<
> > >
> > > Doug -
> > >
> > > USE_{GTK,ESOUND,IMLIB} are still defined in bsd.gnome.mk.
> >
> > Still defined now for backwards compatibility. However, this won't
> > always be the case.
>=20
> That's your plan anyway, however it's the plan that is currently under
> discussion.
>=20
> > > However, Doug, if somebody uses USE_GTK instead of USE_GNOME=3Dgtk12,=
they
> > > are also then unable to use other useful gnome macros such as
> > > gnomeprefix and gnomehack.
>=20
> I'm talking about apps which use gtk that don't use any part of gnome.
> There seems to be a common misconception that gtk is part of gnome. It
> isn't. Ports that ONLY need gtk should not be dragging a bunch of gnome
> stuff in with it.
But that's not what happens at all. By doing:
USE_GNOME=3D gtk20
All you're saying is that I want this port to use GTK+-2. You're not
bringing in any additional GNOME components at all. The same is true
for the gtk12 component.
>=20
> > > That being said, I do agree that USE_GTK and USE_GTK2 macros will mak=
e
> > > the learning curve a bit less steep.
> >
> > Now, sure...but as new releases come out, should we add USE_GTK3,
> > USE_GTK4...? I think it scales better to have the one system that
> > accepts a list of components rather than defining new macros everytime =
a
> > new API release comes out.
>=20
> If that is your actual concern, then let's define 'USE_GTK=3D 2', etc.
> However, I don't think individual USE_GTK_FOO macros are all that hard to
> manage.
>=20
> My point here is simply that subsuming gtk under gnome forces non-gnome
> ports to drive a screw with a jackhammer, and that type of design is
> flawed from the start.
I don't see how this is the case at all. If you want to experiment,
take a port that only uses Gtk+-1.2, remove all the USE_GNOME stuff, add
USE_GTK=3Dyes, then do a make package-depends. Then, replace USE_GTK=3Dyes
with USE_GNOME=3Dgtk12, and do the same make package-depends. You should
get the same thing.
Joe
>=20
> Doug
--=20
Joe Marcus Clarke
FreeBSD GNOME Team :: marcus@FreeBSD.org
http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome
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