From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 23 17:58:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84033C1E565 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 481073E1 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1byN2r-0004xo-F8; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:58:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.87 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1byN3J-000IrT-3C; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:59:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:58:49 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Is it time to retire the scanner ? Message-Id: <20161023185849.0e17cd7b68f775c2fcfe603b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20161023182504.176c7a95.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20161022224754.162d0870.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023004100.33fc999a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023135334.d11fd376.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023145846.5381df860d1410643eb845a0@sohara.org> <51209.69.209.224.207.1477234260.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161023172801.4f143b32.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023165749.bf7c84829910e947a7572260@sohara.org> <20161023182504.176c7a95.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:58:56 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:25:04 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:57:49 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:28:01 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 09:51:00 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, October 23, 2016 8:58 am, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:53:34 +0200 > > > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> On FreeBSD, getting that printer to work in CUPS requires no big > > > > >> efforts, you don't even need the PPD file. You even don't _need_ > > > > >> to use CUPS as you can print PS directly to the printer - no > > > > >> driver needed, only a printer spooler. And this hasn't changed > > > > >> in 10 years... > > > > > ` > > > > > Probably not in the previous 10 years too (well it's > > > > > almost 2017 and the LJ4000 came out in 1997), I know for sure > > > > > that you could spool PS to a Laserjet 4 with lpr/lpd under > > > > > FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 because I did just that. > > > > > > > > And to add to that, HP keeps making supplies for their this old > > > > printers. We do have HP LaserJet 4050 in our Department which was > > > > purchased around 2001 or 2002. Still works, HP still makes toners. > > > > Kudos HP! > > > > > > Even "worse": The toner cartridges are quite cheap. People usually > > > think I'm lying when I tell them my home printing costs are 30 Euro > > > every 3 years (this is 10 Euro per year, less than 1 Euro per month). > > > Try to beat _that_ with typical consumer ink cartridge costs... ;-) > > > > About the same as mine using oversized 'CIS' cartridges and bulk > > ink in my Brother inkjet (cheap A3 - hard to resist), but then we don't > > print much perhaps a ream or so per year. > > Some years ago, I met a HP Officejet printer with ink cartridges > (not combined with printing heads!) where you could easily (and > also quite cleanly!) refill the ink from big "bulk ink" bottles > with a set of syringes. Needless to say, it had a scanner with > sheet feeder, a fax, a built-in SD card reader and USB slot, a > color display - and it even was networked! That was the first Pretty close to the spec of my Brother - swapping A3 for fax, and bearing in mind that the refillable cartridges (also not attached to the heads) are a third party add on (cheap though). > time when I tought that there are ink printers which aren't crap > to rip off the customer. And it supported FreeBSD of course. :-) That's the downside with the Brother - I have a Centos userland running in a jail so that I can run a linux install of CUPS to host the Brother driver. In theory I could put the bits in place in a FreeBSD install of CUPS but last time I tried I spent a couple of days getting progressively more confused. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/