From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 8 16:09:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF916A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3343D2D for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from vixen42 ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040309000927.UYTK12901.lakemtao07.cox.net@vixen42> for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:09:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:06:33 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040308160633.41200f9b@vixen42.> In-Reply-To: <200403081120.01163.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> References: <20040307205710.35302.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> <200403081120.01163.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installation - More user friendly X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:09:30 -0000 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:20:01 -0800 Johnson David wrote: > On Sunday 07 March 2004 12:57 pm, Donald Turnbull wrote: > > > Plans exist aplenty. Talk is cheap. See, for instance the libh > > project stuff -- http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html -- > > which was a nice idea in many ways but has entirely failed to > > produce any results for about the last two years. What is missing > > are concrete pieces of code: applications that work. If you think > > you can do better than what we have presently, you are very > > welcome to submit samples of works in progress. > > I think libh died because of me. I joined the list, and my "let me > introduce myself" post was the last message ever on their mailing > list. Maybe it's my deodorant :-( > > Seriously, I think the problem with libh was that it tried to do too > > much. I was to be a new package manager, sysinstall and GUI toolkit > all wrapped up into one library. There was just too much stuff to > get working correctly in the foundation before anyone could start > working on the actually functionality. And the fact that you had to > keep around old incompatible ports like qt2-static didn't help. > > What needs to be done is to go back to the UNIX way of doing things, > and divide up the problem into a set of small tools each doing one > thing very well. Then "sysinstall" would merely be a shell script > combining the parts into a whole. I'm actually starting on one small > piece of this. Contact me off list if you're interested. /me is curious So what is it? :)