Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:50:24 +0200 From: Gabor PALI <pgj@FreeBSD.org> To: Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru> Cc: cvs-ports@freebsd.org, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, cvs-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/archivers/hs-zip-archive Makefile distinfo pkg-descr pkg-plist ports/devel/hs-binary Makefile distinfo pkg-descr pkg-plist ports/devel/hs-darcs/files patch-Setup.lhs patch-darcs.cabal ports/devel/hs-darcs Makefile distinfo pkg-d Message-ID: <AANLkTikVxxaDLgEhfblYdix5L0wz1NsRdMO8GC6N0HNi@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20100526152458.GB25216@hades.panopticon> References: <AANLkTil2ds1NMcOVfF6_R3bCkIb1SPOnLMkagLWt90nk@mail.gmail.com> <20100524220501.GF7380@hades.panopticon> <AANLkTikBXrbZpHaLJN3eVA80RQfJHLOaBLFFK1CNbnh7@mail.gmail.com> <20100525031628.GB8034@FreeBSD.org> <20100526152458.GB25216@hades.panopticon>
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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru> wrote: > I still disagree with that - prefixes should indicate that the specific > port is ONLY a module and is used ONLY for development and as a > dependency - that's pretty clear and useful policy. Haskell has its own distribution, we may interpret it as a distribution within our (ports) distribution. These end-user applications are just parts of it. > Thus while leaving PKGNAMEPREFIX=hs- for e.g. darcs, while having the > port in devel/darcs will ease life for users who want to install it, > this brings up other problems, such as not seeing expected darcs-X.Y.Z > in pkg_info and not being able to do `portupgrade darcs-*`, so I really > think it should not have any prefix at all, along with other end-user > ports. But where is the limit between a development tool and an end-user application? We might say that every development tool is an end-user application (for programmers), and every end-user application is a development tool (for non-programmers). Please do not get me wrong, I just do not support this way of classification, because it may make the borders really fuzzy sometimes. For a Haskell user, it seems exactly the opposite is true: she may get confused when she tries to find something without an "hs-" prefix. However, the virtual category "haskell" may help with this but it is not visible in the output of pkg-info(1) (or it is?). It also makes the update of the Haskell ports easier (by piggybacking your example): portupgrade hs-* It is because the Haskell ports are mostly tightly connected to each other thanks to Haskell Cabal. I do not know whether it is true for others (like Python, Perl, etc.). That is why I suggest to "share" popular ports like darcs, pandoc, xmonad, and xmobar between the two audiences: Haskellers and causal users of Haskell ports. I do not know how to do this efficiently, though. Cheers, :g
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