From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Mar 20 11:10:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tiger.ciberlynx.net (ns2.ciberlynx.net [216.242.0.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B1537B71A for <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wjm@tiger.ciberlynx.net) Received: from localhost (wjm@localhost) by tiger.ciberlynx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19969; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:10:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: "wjm@ciberlynx.net" <wjm@tiger.ciberlynx.net> To: richard childers <fscked@pacbell.net> Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org>, Doug Young <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au>, Duke Normandin <01031149@3web.net>, David Johnson <djohnson@acuson.com>, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, mij@osdn.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documentation issues generally In-Reply-To: <3AB791FA.98332316@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103201409570.31725-100000@tiger.ciberlynx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This posting is a real mess. Try using line-wraps. Just visit greg's site: http://www.lemis.com/email.html On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, richard childers wrote: > Neil Blakey-Milner complains: > > "You mean people like myself, Jeroen, Alex, Jim, Nik, and others?" > > "Oh. We suck." > > "Never mind." > > > I don't see it being targeted personally but if you want to take it that way you are > welcome to. I believe in free will ... and full responsibility. > > On the other hand, if you cared about it you'd be subscribed to freebsd-questions and > you wouldn't need people surreptitiously forwarding my messages to you; you would > have spoken up much sooner, in defense of your group; you'd be proactively responding > to negative feedback instead of getting defensive. > > For instance, every time mail gets directed to mwm@mired.org, I get a reply from > Michael's qmail installation telling me that that my mail has been redirected to a > non-existent address and is being returned as undeliverable. This, based on > information and belief, is Mike's best approach to dealing with negative feedback. I > can probably forward the bounce to this message, when I get it, if you don't believe > me. > > If that's the sort of behavior that you think should garner your team my respect ... > think again. > > All that aside, there is some nice FreeBSD documentation out there as well as some > bad stuff and I have no basis for assuming that you personally are the author of any > of the documents I have heard complaints about, at this point in time. > > Apparently you have not received all of the complaints that were voiced about > documentation, if you are only replying to my comments, and no one else's. Whomever > was forwarding my comments to you may have done you a disservice by not providing the > entire exchange; of course, we could argue that you did yourself a disservice by not > acquainting yourself with the topic at hand before commenting, also. > > > -- richard > > > Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > On Fri 2001-03-16 (06:56), richard childers wrote: > > > FreeBSD probably could have addressed this, early in its existence, by adapting > > > into the team, a few people whose job was, not to write code, but to work with > > > the developers and to insure that their (often incoherent) documentation was > > > turned into sequential, step-by-step instructions. > > > > You mean people like myself, Jeroen, Alex, Jim, Nik, and others? > > > > Oh. We suck. > > > > Never mind. > > > > Neil > > -- > > Neil Blakey-Milner > > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > > -- > Richard A. Childers > Senor UNIX Administrator > fscked@pacbell.net (email) > 415.664.6291 (voice/msgs) > > # Providing administrative expertise (not 'damage control') since 1986. > # PGP fingerprint: 7EFF 164A E878 7B04 8E9F 32B6 72C2 D8A2 582C 4AFA > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- -------------------------------------------------------- William Melanson - CiberLynx Technical Support Manager PGP Public Key -- http://www.nullstatus.com/wmelanson.pgp -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message