From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 21 21:19:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220662437F5 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48PPTb3Vtxz4QPQ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A03CC4446; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GvkRgG7XQVp6; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D656C08CA; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 01LLIqDY040776 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:18:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Valeri Galtsev References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <1d1cb3e8-ee64-41a7-ac5c-919d3985bd57@malikania.fr> <53C308C2-3537-45B5-A1A4-7945DA603852@kicp.uchicago.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ed Maste From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:18:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53C308C2-3537-45B5-A1A4-7945DA603852@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PPTb3Vtxz4QPQ X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.707,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.56)[0.557,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.46)[ip: (0.57), ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(0.11), asn: 16686(1.72), country: CA(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:19:01 -0000 On 2020-02-21 15:12, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On February 21, 2020 8:07:57 AM CST, Ed Maste wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 15:29, Per Hedeland wrote: >>> >>> On 2020-02-20 19:50, Ed Maste wrote: >>>> >>>> Modern laptops need an I2C touchpad driver, which isn't in the base >>>> system yet. It's now available in the ports collection and can be >>>> built standalone fairly easily; it works fine on my Lenovo X1 >> Carbon >>>> 7th generation. >>> >>> I'd be very interested in that - can you provide a more specific >>> pointer than "in the ports collection"?:-) >> >> It's sysutils/iichid, added quite recently >> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/iichid/ >> >> I hope it is added to the base system soon; > > Not to the base system, please. Could you elaborate on that? I.e. do you not want the FreeBSD kernel to support modern hardware, or do you not want the FreeBSD kernel to support hardware that is only relevant for laptops/desktops, or...? Having kernel modules in ports is problematic, I don't think anyone can disagree about that (but of course I may be wrong). There may be reasons to do it anyway, here it seems that it's due to code that needs more testing/experience and perhaps improvement before adding it to the base system / standard kernel - seems eminently reasonable to me. --Per