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Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:49:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> <20200611143046.2f97b54a@archlinux> <20200611153924.62a3719a@archlinux> <20200611164239.08b12002@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200611164239.08b12002@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:49:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jRb62pPSz3Wvw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=O2Ju7tD7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:49:39 -0000 On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:42 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:27:29 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:15:04 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> >So does every other GUI/web MUA. > >> > >> Again, apart from email web interfaces, that quasi nobody considers a > >> decent MUA, what are all those FLOSS MUAs the majority of BSD and > >> Linux users are using, usually doing by default? > >> > > > >Talk about living in a bubble! Here is a list of the most popular > >mail clients (in slang terms MUA's as used loosely in this thread) not > >a single one of them is listed so far in this discussion. Summary: > >The web crushes all! (If you don't include smartphone MUA's) > > > >https://emailclientmarketshare.com/ > > Market share says nothing about usage, especially not if you run a BSD > or Linux. Apple MUAs and Outlook are not provided by FreeBSD ports. > Note, I'm extensive using iPads, for things they can do way better than > BSD and Linux. If possible I do not use an Internet browser or mailer > available for an iPad, since this is a domain, that is better supported > by BSD and Linux. If somebody is pleased by top market share > applications only, there is no reason to use BSD or Linux at all. > It matters because most new users who are coming to the list with questions have likely not successfully set FreeBSD up well enough yet to be able to send mail of any kind from it. Take Brandon Halsey for example. I am surprised the attitude some people on the list have towards new users has not sent him running for the hills yet. For example someone spit all over him for using a non-FreeBSD MUA when in fact he was still struggling to get a bootable system. If this is not the height of aloofness and arrogance I don't know what is. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org