From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 17:41:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0429D37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost101.his.com (vhost101.his.com [216.194.225.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FD543FAF for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dickey@herndon4.his.com) Received: from vhost101.his.com (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost101.his.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h670fExK090304; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:41:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dickey@herndon4.his.com) Received: from localhost (dickey@localhost)h670fESI090301; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:41:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: vhost101.his.com: dickey owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:41:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas E. Dickey" X-X-Sender: dickey@vhost101.his.com To: Christopher Vance In-Reply-To: <20030707002347.GC5141@aurema.com> Message-ID: <20030706203440.D89894@vhost101.his.com> References: <3F08B199.3050409@comcast.net> <3F08B79B.2040805@gmx.net> <20030707002347.GC5141@aurema.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "Myron J. Mayfield" cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: /dev/shm X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dickey@herndon4.his.com List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:41:23 -0000 On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 08:14:44PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: > : On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 01:58:19AM +0200, Marcin Dalecki wrote: > : > Myron J. Mayfield wrote: > : > >start it. It gives me an error saying cant find /dev/shm. I tried > : > >adding this to /dev but was unable to. Does anyone have any > : > > : > For some unexcused reason there is the trend in Linux to represent > : > everything as kind of a wired half finished pseudo file system. /proc pipe > : > devicefs sysctl and so on... The list is really long. Even shared memmory is > : > mapped to ehrm.... a filesystem. This is "expected" to be mounted at > : > /dev/shm by the system. You can't expect FreeBSD to follow this path... > : > : Linux isn't the only system that does this (learn a little, criticize less). > > If you're talking about Plan 9 or Inferno, they at least have a > history of finishing their filesystems and understanding why it's done > that way. If Linux attempts to copy without understanding, and > doesn't complete the job, it doesn't imply that the original idea was > a Bad Thing, only that the implementation sucks. Better, apparently to "copy" (not actually), rather than to whine in the background... Still - your response is equally ignorant (Plan 9 is well known - even to students), since it offers no useful information. The /proc stuff is used in "real" Unix's such as Solaris. Just checking, I see that FreeBSD implements procfs, which is along the same lines. (still waiting for FreeBSD to "complete" a sysinstall program that doesn't look as if it was an assignment for high-school interns). -- T.E.Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net