From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 08:11:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAE4106566C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nicolas.braudsantoni@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA0D8FC0C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so1289584qab.15 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:11:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sJ6CTDygKb0Nyufl9Br4817c+k7P7e4X77DwDhMluh0=; b=FF0dHtanlXGR9LlBOpl6tq/SVvxwq5xq1n1KFqz1jjxkmc8biJKJketVak8Cusuw04 E49JeGd6dDKBSkduNmtbaj6Z5oWftpvKlSmiGiwM0QyFXrJ4FOGeHnH33wfIFYJyDchn UDYfDkTH6TMugaxXFzd2HpGOgWnuflcpEYuLgRvAcv4Gd6s9ymfqFiqml3HBCpSVwS/h aaDZYlXDf3LcAp4bBuGk916NNwhBYX9p6r86fhfOeWBKsrVZhbHGdzxf01t9iO7qy567 6jnCKmWX841RnUZKZhBcCPzi9AVqO1X/egl0+cRH/CLXVEgCgEixdc3Mf1/C8DpymM9f 3+MQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.44.136 with SMTP id a8mr9623808qaf.34.1338711079098; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: nicolas.braudsantoni@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.46.165 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:11:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2421561.4aJcXPZZxh@x220.ovitrap.com> References: <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <2421561.4aJcXPZZxh@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:11:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BhCOvmfHrR7U8mC8Dx64wQWFjSE Message-ID: From: Nicolas Braud-Santoni To: Erich , ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebs >> Current FreeBSD" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:11:20 -0000 Hi, 2012/6/3 Erich : > [...] >> I witnessed those cases several times and at this moment, our four >> remaining FreeBSD servers and my personal desktop as well as my private >> box are rendered "unusable" in terms of having no LibreOffice since it >> doesn't compile anymore on FreeBSD 9-STABLE/amd64 and 10-CURRENT/amd64. > > Can I recommend jails to you? I compile ports in a jail. When everything went through, I move this outside and install it. If something does not compile, I keep normally the old ports tree. poudriere + pkgng is especially nice for that kind of things :-) >> At the moment, this mess is introduced with a new PNG library. And we >> are updating on "life" machines, that means, they are not freshly > > Have fun with it. I have a running FreeBSD and will not touch the ports tree before this all has settled. I didn't have any special trouble switching my "production" boxes (mostly website hosting, and backup handling) to pkgng. What kind of trouble did you run into ? > [...] >> Well, one may argue with me about "server" and "desktop". Comparing >> Linux (several distros) with FreeBSd and Windows makes the limited >> adavntages of FreeBSD getting rendered neglegible. We need PowerPoint or >> a similar office product for presentations, I'm getting strangled by >> students when using LaTeX and "beamer" or "PowerDot". The pressure from >> the Windows world is large. Why would students need to edit your presentations ? For viewing, they shouldn't care about what generated the pdf/ps/dvi/whatever. By the way, here, students are more likely to strangle you for not using *TeX/Beamer. > Just for the fun. If you get Microsoft-Formats from a client and send it then back to the same client but in a different department, it is not sure that they can read their 'own' files. Had the problem once : I got sent paperwork, filled it, and send it to another department, which didn't have a recent enough version of M$ Office, so they were unable to read docx files. Regards,