From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 13 21:25:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.24.22.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C95F437B400 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 50189 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2001 15:25:08 +1000 X-Posted-By: GJB-Post 2.08 05-Jan-2001 (FreeBSD) X-URL: http://www.gbch.net X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/img/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5A91 6942 8CEA 9DAB B95B C249 1CE1 493B 2B5A CE30 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-pgpkey.asc Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:25:07 +1000 From: Greg Black To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab) References: <20001120143658.B4415@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> <20001120193326.C27042@speedy.gsinet> <20001205225656.Z27042@speedy.gsinet> <20001220211548.T253@speedy.gsinet> <3A513799.75EAB470@FreeBSD.org> <20010102133239.V253@speedy.gsinet> <20010107170840.G253@speedy.gsinet> <3A5AE490.D251F590@gorean.org> <20010110233907.L253@speedy.gsinet> <20010113160917.Q253@speedy.gsinet> In-reply-to: <20010113160917.Q253@speedy.gsinet> of Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:09:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gerhard Sittig wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 16:33 +1000, Greg Black wrote: > > > BTW: There's good news for those with a dislike regarding > > > the change: While testing I'm stuck again, so there will be > > > some more delay. > > > > Previously we were told that this stuff had already been tested > > for years under another OS and was therefore robust and > > reliable. Now we learn that these claims are not correct. And > > you wonder why people are reluctant to even consider these > > changes ... > > "We were told UNIX had been around for some thirty years, is said > to be functional / reliable / flexible / add whatever you use and > love UNIX for. And now we learn it doesn't even work easily for > those simple tasks as networking / printing / gaming / etc are?" > > Excuse me, please? Could it be that you got more from my > messages than what I actually said? Please read more carefully. I said: "we were told that this stuff had already been tested for years [...]". I did not say who made this claim, although I assumed that those few people who are following this thread would have remembered who it was. The claim /was/ made. I suggested that it was invalid. I still think that. As for the implementation issues that you covered in detail, I have no comment as I'm not interested in reviewing the code for a change that I see no case for. > I understand that having the clock jump is a Bad Idea(TM). > Especially when it is jumping backward since this violates the > model we have of time (*always* monotonously increasing [...] It may be monotonous, but it's supposed to be monotonically increasing. > And I realize that the DST topic is anything but trivial, cannot > be handled by my ported patch and actions can easily do harm when > done incorrectly. The only solutions turn out to be > - education [...] Not such a bad method. We use it for all the "How do I remove a file named -x?" questions -- we don't "fix" rm or the way the shells parse commands. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message