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Date:      Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:14:28 +0100
From:      Christian Damm <christian.damm@diewebmaster.at>
To:        Ion-Mihai Tetcu <itetcu@people.tecnik93.com>
Cc:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: SpamAssassian with FreeBSD and Big Mail Server
Message-ID:  <421DE144.3050705@diewebmaster.at>
In-Reply-To: <20050224140023.35d627dd@it.buh.tecnik93.com>
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Ion-Mihai Tetcu schrieb:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:36:24 +0100
> Christian Damm <christian.damm@diewebmaster.at> wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>>Ion-Mihai Tetcu schrieb:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:51:28 +0100
>>>Christian Damm <christian.damm@diewebmaster.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Vahric MUHTARYAN schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Everybody , 
>>>>>
>>>>>           Really I don't know can I say a big mail server which have
>>>>>30,000 mailbox on it 1200+ simultaneously connections (pop,smtp,webmail).
>>>>>Ýncoming smtp connections are between 200-400 . We want to run spam software
>>>>>on it but machine can't handle it for this reason we seperated machine
>>>>>freebsd+exim+SpamAssassian but on 400 connection machine goes down average
>>>>>is very high , cpu usage really too high . 
>>>>>
>>>>>           I want to learn Anybody Who have closer or bigger system and
>>>>>using SpamAssassian ?! 
>>>>>Really this 400 connection simultaneously can be limit for spam software ?!
>>>>>I mean Anybody can handle more ?! 
>>>>>I have to design distributed environment ?! 
>>>>>
>>>>>My Hardware is (for spam)
>>>>>           2 X PIII 1G +  1 GB RAM + 2 DISK RAID 0 SCSI 10000 RPM   
>>>>
>>>>i use spamassassin only on small-/medium-sized MTA installations (its a 
>>>>memory/cpu hog i.m.h.o. but i like it) - on all my "bigger" systems i 
>>>>really prefer dspam (coded in straight C and fast as hell). it is used 
>>>>in some environments with 350,000 email users and scales really well (if 
>>>>you have the iron and experience to build/maintain such a system/cluster).
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/
>>>
>>>
>>>Also in ports: mail/dspam and mail/dspam-devel (updates for both in not
>>>committed PRs).
>>>
>>>I'm currently playing with a setup like OP's. I'm interested in knowing
>>>our definition of "iron and experience to build/maintain such a
>>>system/cluster".
>>
>>your definition? - or my definition? ;-)
> 
> 
>  :-) sorry, typo. Yours. And while we're at definitions - what's small /
> medium and what's big :-) ?

small: 1 > 10000
medium: 10000 > 100000
big: 100000 > ...
(i.m.h.o - it depends on who is looking at this)

iron: im not a big fan of big "bloated" boxes in mailserver environments 
(sun`s and "mainframe" kind of stuff) - multiple fine tuned and 
carefully built x86 hosts (non SMP single CPU machinmes) running freebsd 
are all you need and they get cheaper every day... ;-)

what kind of system-size/scalability you are after? - i also have to say 
that the number of email users is not the primary problem when 
scalability comes up - even more it is the "what kind of users you 
got/what kind of services you offer" question...one of my friends 
maintains a "small" MTA cluster with 9000 email users (many heavy power 
users, mx for very well known domainnames -> as drawback much spam and 
viruses/worms etc.), his 9000 user cluster (2 redundant (hot failover) 
dedicated load balancers, 3 inbound mail relays running postfix, 2 
tpop3d backends, 2 av/antispam hosts, 2 redundant mysql hosts (hot 
failover and a netapps filer (i think a 760?!))) has most of the time 
much more load than standard isp systems handling around 50k to 100k 
userbases (mostly standard home users).

> 
> 
> 

-- 

mfg.

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