From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 25 13:58:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001A0571; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artyom.mirgorodsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2537D289E; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id eh20so3083884lab.39 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=W3WAwvAxf+SeMyXmzbMq4iTQ36dK6C+RPYt7mONISko=; b=jJDXWiZSFA+Hj91HBgo2wTn9cuhlXOueOt9TfUeOVsc8Wve71Cf6O0WKDKCit8cFCD PAUDnNm0x/KhBDJNvyzEqUaHUavTWcET88d1BlvQeDeYbkj6TqLPSIJqsddAbFnoDv2Y nzsuoB89SaSeDSol0Pv9epMl4E/PoKgyRQpKKigSrsNd1YjCNm0r/nwwU+4NNfR/3mEC dhBmo9cU6ihiGpA5S4nW3eDjpSaQussFShhopROtqzow5pc3WC15QZjbH5lkDgwzgP1o T9bGa0U7204zHFEgAV4/xJPX4vhsXoOrFbk+fJgvAAOG52VcKTHVM54A4hOJ/vXiwKoQ iL/g== X-Received: by 10.112.164.38 with SMTP id yn6mr20395lbb.61.1382709477816; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notebook.alkar.net ([91.243.193.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m13sm2638384lbo.11.2013.10.25.06.57.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Oct 2013 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Artyom Mirgorodskiy To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newcons comming Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:59:22 +0300 Message-ID: <1607690.V7gIiBi3IH@notebook.alkar.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.11.2 (FreeBSD/10.0-ALPHA3; KDE/4.11.2; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20131025151847.2a1b83de93335040797ceaf1@ddteam.net> <20131025163939.181f35483b1046d74cb77fec@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Adrian Chadd , Aleksandr Rybalko X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:58:01 -0000 I think we should provide option - use beta-newcons or old. Linux in top is not because it's better, but because it has solution. Not even finished but at least some solutions. On Friday 25 October 2013 06:43:54 Adrian Chadd wrote: > 3) Realise it's not yet ready for 10.0 or HEAD, and target it to be ready > for MFC for a 10.1 release. > 4) Delay 10.0 until this has matured enough in HEAD, then release it. > > I really want to see more updated xorg support but the timing of it all > feels a little overly rushed for a 10.0 release target. > > What do others think? > > > > -adrian > > > > On 25 October 2013 06:39, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 06:29:37 -0700 > > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > Erm, I don't think this is really ready for -HEAD yet? > > > > > > > Lets do it "really ready" :))) > > > > I'am free on that, I can merge or not merge it to 10.0. But x11 team > > depend on newcons presence, otherwise no new Xorg, no KMS drivers, no > > new cairo (IIRC), no new ...... > > > > So we have two way: > > 1. delay it to 11.0 > > 2. make it ready to 10.0 > > > > Select one you like more! :) > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > -adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 06:04, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:18:47 +0300 > > > > Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello fellow hackers! > > > > > > > > > > I finally reach the point when I can work with newcons instead of > > > > > syscons on my laptop. Yes, I know it still buggy and have a lot of > > > > > style(9) problems. But we really have to get it into HEAD and 10.0 to > > > > > enable shiny new Xorg features, drivers, etc. > > > > > > > > > > So I ask everyone to look "hard" into that[1] and tell me your > > opinion. > > > > > I expect a lot of opinions, since it have to affect almost all good > > > > > guys, as result I have to ask to split "bug reports" into two parts: > > > > > 1. Should be done before merge to 10.0; > > > > > 2. Can be done later. > > > > > > > > > > If it possible, please do it(review - report) ASAP. > > > > > I have plan to done it that way: > > > > > 1. Merge newcons to head (in a few days); > > > > > 2. Fix a lot of reported bugs (2 hrs :-D ); > > > > > 3. Persuade re@ about we need it in 10.0 (one week, maybe two); > > > > > 4. Merge to 10.0; > > > > > 5. One year AFK somewhere on Bahamas;^W^W^W^W^W^W^W > > > > > 5. Add mouse cut-paste support; > > > > > 6. Fix new bugs; > > > > > 7. Some drinks. > > > > > > > > > > What do we will have with newcons: > > > > > * (Think it is main) Allow us to switch to fresh Xorg, which require > > > > > KMS. > > > > > * Graphic devices which can provide framebuffer access can be easily > > > > > used as virtual terminals (someone may have pixel-LCD on front of PC > > > > > tower, may found it useful :-D ) > > > > > * See [2]. > > > > > > > > > > TODO: > > > > > * Lack of key mapping files, everyone can help with that using > > > > > instructions on [3]; > > > > > * A bit slow (mostly scrolling affected). > > > > > * Other bugs :) > > > > > * See [2]. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > [1] - http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/user/ed/newcons/ > > > > > [2] - > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2013-07-2013-09.html#Continuation-of-the-Newcons-Project > > > > > [3] - > > > > > > > > > > > http://raybsd.blogspot.com/2013/10/newcons-international-keyboard-input.html > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will love newcons! > > > > > And maybe me too :) > > > > > > > > > > WBW > > > > > -- > > > > > Aleksandr Rybalko > > > > > > > > Forget to give a patch to HEAD, here it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~ray/newcons/newcons_to_head_r257107_2013-10-25_1542.diff.gz > > > > > > > > Thanks to all! > > > > > > > > WBW > > > > -- > > > > Aleksandr Rybalko > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > WBW > > -- > > Aleksandr Rybalko > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Artyom Mirgorodskiy